Joe Rogan Experience #372 — Mariana van Zeller Transcript

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0:00 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! bananas and i watched it and i said this is so far beyond out of control that it's amazing that i'm just hearing about it now from a documentary on current tv which is like you know not the most And there were more pain clinics around than McDonald's. you got to see this. This is crazy. And they they didn't believe me. Like when I was saying I go,

3:05 people waiting to get into these pain clinics to get these prescription drugs. And we thought, When I watched your show, it was so hard to wrap my head around the fact that And as soon as we started filming, these guys come out and they start chasing us. we're going to be killed right here in Florida, in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, because we were of them was even

5:37 and he was calling 911. and they didn't come out of the car because I think they realized that we were calling 911, yeah you know they they did pass a um a drug control plan there there now that um is in place or pharmacy to pharmacy to get all these meds. But I mean, people are definitely – that's the resistance to doing the prescription monitoring

8:00 reason, because Oxy was getting more expensive or it was harder to get their hands on Oxy. So And we go down, me and my friends all go down to Florida and get a bunch of these, and we make much more money. 2013, it's really shocking to me that that hasn't been addressed and that you're not seeing people talk about that in the mainstream media. Whoa.

9:53 I mean it's the worst job ever of controlling drugs that anybody has ever done ever. obviously bribing local lawmakers to make these laws? and all the craziness goes on there and all In the past, I mean, this aired three years ago already, and I still get weekly, I get emails or Facebook messages or people reaching out because they've watched this and somehow they've been affected by drugs, by prescription drugs.

11:44 Like I said, you completely enlightened me on the subject. No. You know, like he's so judgmental and evil and the way he goes after, you know, these, the liberals and the Democrats. He lost his wife to pills. couldn't believe it he said that you know obviously if any of us decided to take that amount today we been terrified of the actual addictive properties of something becoming a part of your system not

15:01 I had a deviated septum. And my doctor gave me a prescription after it was over of two different types of painkillers. Like it doesn't hurt at all. I'm scared of that shit. Can you get like closer? monster and they don't have they can't afford to take a month off and go to malibu to some clinic Did you know – this is a statistic that somebody put on my message board, a dude named Evil Homer.

17:47 pharmaceutical drugs haven't done great things there's amazing applications for pharmaceutical We spoke to a doctor. side of this and what this could do. How is that possible, though? How's it possible that they They're full of shit. Like, you know, nurses are on very reasonable salaries. It is insane. Well, I mean, like, for us, I mean, They follow these talking points.

21:40 And they make it seem like who can sort of walk around and live amongst you as long as they keep getting their zombie medicine. The other thing you exposed when you showed these pain management centers is that some of them are actually connected to pharmacies. M-U-C-K.tv. And you go in there and the pharmacy hooks you up. it's like one stop shopping for drugs and it's legal

23:58 And we just say we have a back pain, but of course we don't have anything. in Florida, they'll put you in a cage, son. of opiates. oh, that poor child growing up, in jail that were in jail because of pill trafficking from Florida and they They had this Parkinson's drug, and it turned him into a gambling and gay sex addict. Brilliant. The drug doesn't exist anymore.

27:16 Yeah, it is weird. Do you guys ever find out as far as how much testing is involved? Did you guys ever find out as far So then they were heavily criticized for that. But there are ways to manipulate everything. So even when they thank you darren you're much better at explaining that i was having a hard time as soon as what but probably only about like 50% or something like that.

30:10 Yeah, back then. I like having a couple shots. a frog that gets dried and then you puncture a little um hole in your body and you put the skin K-A-M-B-O. And then they, yeah, they do like a crude injection of like burning you. And so that was, that this one spot in the world, Just chopping it down. and keep people healthy. It's such a double-edged sword. And like I said, for me, I'm so torn

33:47 It's very difficult. And I don't know if you've looked into the Portuguese experience. Meaning that if you're caught with, I think it's one gram of heroin or cocaine, 100 gram of heroin, two grams of cocaine or 25 grams of marijuana. Well, that's a beautiful idea also in terms of human nature, because it's human nature to not in montana alone it's obviously not the case it's not it's that's not that anybody is trying to look

36:04 to these things. So he was going to a gynecologist to get his meds. is the same guy i knew from high school he was uh at one point in time he was a hard worker he was a I understand what you say, that a person should be able to get whatever they want if they're And there aren't enough warnings as to how addictive this stuff can be. us now i don't think so i think think a lot more needs to be done.

39:14 It's one of the most disturbing. So this new show you're doing, it's called Inside Secret America. Wednesday at 10 p.m. is the first episode. It's actually synthetic drugs. to the first episode, So I've heard about it, but I'm not like too up to speed on what was going on. And he did some work with, I don't know what the technical aspects of his transformation

41:52 Like it would change you, make you very, very, very aroused. sort of symptoms, not symptoms. Well, what he was doing, he had The PC way. we we had him on the podcast when he's actually on the run no yeah yeah yeah after he was being I am a notorious prankster. and detailed the whole process. We were able to actually acquire some just at smoke shops here in Southern California.

44:34 at the time addicted to bath salts. Yeah, they're not defined. And they sell them as bath salts and it says not for human consumption. This is how it started off with these kids putting all these chemicals together. because as soon as the government comes out and prohibits one compound, Yeah. I don't remember. Now- But, you know, McAfee? So he's a legitimately smart guy.

47:48 And obviously, you know, when you have like a 19, 20 year old kid who's, you know, just We, we spoke about the So it was just because the neighbor smelt the burning of his arms that they came. It's a really great high. It wasn't Every single batch is different. First of all, they don't know what to look for because it could be any and number one of these different substances.

50:21 Yeah. that that guy who ate that guy's face was on bath salts. Yeah, I mean, we can't have no idea if the guy was on bath salts. How long before the pharmaceutical companies and is really concerned about synthetic drugs because it is becoming quite a big problem we interviewed the father of a kid who took bath salts for the first time I would hear stories about people dying and, you know, it would make me sad, but it didn't hit home.

53:06 Like a guy lost all this weight, became creepy, was hiding all the time, just became like a vampire. And I was in Vegas this weekend and I was talking to this guy who's the driver He's telling me all the people he knew that are hooked on drugs that had sort of he learned from them to not do it. You know, it's, what can be done? And they're really trying to raise awareness and pass legislation to make these bills harder to get

55:03 Jamie, there's something going on. Complain to Ustream. piece that we started with. We did a lot of undercover filming. And our sort of approach to that is that we're not looking to get any individual in trouble. We're not trying to do Yeah, that's probably a very good point. Yeah, so I think that will be our time to stop as well. Not enough people know about it.

57:55 I knew nothing about guns before this. you air the show do you block their face out you block their faces out yes because who knows why being able to buy guns that easy do you you know what's so interesting, though, is that right after we went to the bar right next to Taco Bell, connection between the things that people are afraid of when it comes to guns which is school

1:00:33 No, definitely. That's incredible. when new town happened, but we decided, I thought the Sandy Hook guy used pistols. Pistols. Hold on. But they've been told by several officials that he had left it in the car, and then he came in and just shot everyone with pistols. It's an inanimate tool. It's a person who's doing something that is horrific and impossible to stop. It's a person who's doing something that is horrific and impossible to stop.

1:03:45 And the real issue in my mind has always been a person able to do something like that. kill hunters no one should have a gun you know Get your meat from a supermarket. This is bullshit. And it's so rare if you look at it statistically that something like this happens. If you look at how many human beings we have in this country, it's like 300 million. And how many shootings like this happen where someone indiscriminately just starts whacking people around them. It's kind of strange that it's so rare because there's so many fucking nuts. So many fucking crazy people in this country. It's almost, we're like blessed that these things don't happen on a regular basis.

1:05:27 and our piece is that like the same laws that make it easy for anybody to access which actually, you know, it's a much more of a gray area debate. I mean I think it's – there is – the vast majority of people just have – agree on most things and then it's the sort of extremes of both sides that sort of hijack the debate. debate but it was just one of those things that like this extreme reaction that people have

1:07:38 every day with guns. Sure. You know, there's was when we started out is we went to this shooting range There's a responsibility there that if you own something, lives are saved with guns from bad guys. And people are dying over there. and more and more aware of the consequences of our actions and more and more hopefully enlightened, You'd have to sit them down and you'd have to go, okay.

1:10:46 no one knows what the fuck they're doing it's all bananas yeah journalists are driving into trees hack into a car now and yeah and that today it's possible to hack into a modern car and control the I applaud you on your effort. I have zero technical knowledge. But it's scary. Boom. And other folks will go, oh, God, are you still talking about Michael Hastings?

1:14:03 And if it's not impossible now, I feel like it will be in a few years. I'm what I would call a technological optimist. tool that balances all that out because i think that with technology comes this transparency. It's almost impossible to cover that stuff up these days. I can't give a prognosis. And we actually have it pretty good. But's the least violent time in history and we

1:17:41 That'll get through. I was at a restaurant the other day with a buddy of mine, But it's this, what's happening is, Try to keep the romance alive and she's checking her phone. I interviewed Ray Kurzweil for my – I have a new show that's coming out on SyFy. It's like you just haven't figured out a way It was like a giant buffalo horn. Have you? Nice.

1:20:34 Yeah. phone at that and um you can do things to it like you can ask for – one of the things I thought was cool is like you could Google like Ray Kurzweil. You can see it over there too. Like if I have it on and I'm talking to you, you can't see what I'm seeing. was like really cool, of of consciousness and behavior it sounds like very hippie no you you are you're really optimistic

1:23:54 Oh my God. And then they went after her, And that was also exposed by hackers. If there were repercussions, the masses had access. And if it's not inevitable in the sense that the government gets it, I think they're just But if you look at how life has changed since the internet – when did we get it? and was telling me, like, oh, it's a great way to write your jokes.

1:26:27 I would have never guessed. it out and then it goes on itunes and at least a half a million will download each individual direction? And I really do think it's going to be beneficial. I was not trying to stop technology here. Well, the thing is about these things, they seem to want to operate operate on voice recognition it seems to be that's what the trend is with these

1:28:51 We just have to accept the fact that times, they are changing. What other subjects did you guys cover? An American here in the United States. i had my iphone on mute but on speakerphone so he could hear what was happening and then i had Yeah, it's kind of gross. the car and he kept on saying why don't you come into the car with me and I just gave excuses that

1:31:41 It's very, very sad. And some girls are even branded with tattoos of their pimps and stuff like that. Some of the girls get hooked on drugs. I mean, they're worth a lot of money, you know. It is. for women to try to recruit them, take them out of these rings, out of prostitution, essentially. and start circling us. And they don't know we're watching because Darren's in the car watching them

1:34:30 That's a very good question. and very low rate of AIDS. No, a different show. A different show. But, you know, they get tested for AIDS on a weekly basis, for all sorts of sexual transmitted disease on a weekly basis. I wouldn't want anyone that I know being a prostitute. who very much see it as an empowerment issue. We're such a strange animal. Exactly.

1:38:03 Bad people sell them to the people that want to do them. Is there anything that, like, really stands out or something that you never expected? nerve-wracking, but also because get a job. And I was nervous that they were The first thing I told Darren was like, I still got it. No, we didn't really delve into that too much. and he's he remains anonymous um it goes by you know a fake fake name in the show. But his whole life has just been penetrating these farms and capturing pictures of abuse on film and stuff like that.

1:40:59 Because everyone is outraged when they see those videos, even a meteor. But he's had, I don't know how many name changes throughout his life, at that. I'm good at getting information from people, but I can't. It's not in my nature to be So this is part of the training is that you have to be able to make people feel either very comfortable with you.

1:43:07 He's the major, you know, be at times be pretty stressful. And that's what sort of causes them to lash out many times. He says that in every single farm he's ever entered, he's ever filmed undercover, he has witnessed animal abuse. Factory farms, yeah. Right, right. And we saw the whole process. and I thought it was a really eye-opening experience to be able to sort of consume thousands and thousands of meals

1:45:54 It doesn't kill them right away. has to be uh followed and um one of the parts of the process involves cutting the neck yeah i think but so violent to see. All that is, you know, again, common farming practices, but very hard to see. It's not whether – because these animals do not live forever. Are you going to sterilize them in some way? And we know how to do that.

1:49:03 coyote you know we saw in our headlights and then i saw the tail and it's tail and it's and i noticed that its body It's pretty rural. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I live in a really rural place. And there was a mountain lion sighting in my neighborhood about a year ago, Hawks are everywhere around where I live. Hawks don't steal tomatoes. Is that okay? Yeah. It's a sickness.

1:52:22 So when we interviewed the woman who runs this humane farm, one of the questions it was about this place in New York that is, they are not just a restaurant, they're a restaurant and they grow their own food, and they kill their own animals, But is it better that way yeah it's better that way to be nice to him until you Like Kurzweil was telling me about this woman who had something wrong with her esophagus.

1:55:07 That would be awesome. They're talking about these things being an inevitability of the future that's not science fiction in fact But this would be like that you have to do when you Yeah. And you can eat the eggs, and no one gets hurt. but no it's a hen lays an egg whether the rooster's involved or not but if the rooster's in No life at all. They do eat their own eggs if you don't leave them in too long.

1:58:00 But you could have it the way I have it, where my chickens live on a full – they have a full acre lawn and they go inside the chicken coop at night, which is huge. They're delicious. Yeah. And they wander around the lawn. of them they give you food and that food is based entirely on food that you give them so it's just It's been kind of cool. Kale?

2:00:39 easy i think you have to have because your house is still connected to the grid is that It's that, like, I think to be self-sustainable would be – ultimately, what I want to do – these are my beginning steps. It's a fine dance. a large plot of land, you know, like several hundred acres with a few families and everyone We like Manhattan Beach. We were playing the lottery game the other day, as you often do.

2:02:37 at like various locations whether or not it'd be feasible with you know all the people that are it seems to me that if you have quite a few people hiring some really competent, That's where it all goes awry. So you don't need to be tough to get the lottery, to win the lottery, I show. Yeah. That's where it all goes awry. the supermarket buy mayonnaise and some shit you don't want to sit around making yourself but how

2:04:29 We get all of our food from this, Trying to steal your crops. Six episodes. Yeah. That's, I mean, thousands and thousands of homeless people. of people walking the streets, you know, with their carts. supports, um, the homeless down there, um, from, uh, you know, clinics and shelters and stuff like If you're under 35 and you're homeless, you're in Hollywood.

2:07:50 I would have did it just like that dude, not Survivor Man, who's real, Les Stroud. Oh, yeah. Yes. Well, that's one of the beautiful things about Les Stroud. The other one, Man Against. This is how you fix this dead animal so you could eat it. all that stuff is real when you watch that show he deals a hundred percent real which is it's so No, no mud, dude.

2:10:05 this one I mean I don't know I mean And I said that. Like, what is wrong with you? Body temperature? Once on the radio. it's no big deal for me drinking my own pee It got online before the show aired, and then NBC pulled the episode first and then canceled the whole show. That's the most fascinating aspect of it. cum. They say, In other countries, Fear Factor airs all over.

2:13:01 New Zealand. Like, as a novelty. listen, I know it seems crazy, but I feel awesome. well, the people are serving it. Yeah, it was ridiculous. To see if it could be done. Okay, we'll try to get a PA to eat 10. So you have a few PAs. But that's nothing. we should tell them about fear factor yeah being a pa sucks for a lot of a lot of places i mean I don't know.

2:16:18 The tattoo? T-A-T-U, maybe? Like there's no confusion? Some words say everything? Different accent, yes. Like you don't, there's nothing, no confusion? It's an ugly looking thing, right? It was awful. But the thing is that when, I remember when we ate the meat, the hair is still there. They did. Yeah. It's Spanish food. I love all that stuff. It's all about doing it right.

2:18:49 Do they eat those things? is open. They're actually really hard to see. So we went to do the story on the cambo frog looking for the pharmaceutical promise of the Amazon. me and Darren. filming it, we were on this high of filming this documentary and how cool it would be if we found And in the middle of the night, I woke up because I was freezing. right next to me. And I had one of those, you know, when you have those dreams and you try to

2:21:40 And Darren comes up to me and I told him I was about to be attacked by an ulcer, by a jaguar. I had the image, the smell of death, the hot breath right through the mosquito netting. me jumping on the roof of this building. The snake, not the gun. eating parasite copulation isis that I caught in Brazil that only exists in a few parts of the What is that show, The Enemy Inside You,

2:24:18 I watched that too. I'm going to set my DVR. Awesome. squarespace.com for slash joe and use the code joe7 to save yourself some cash. And thanks also to Audible.com. will be joining us again as well. Mwah, mwah, mwah, mwah, mwah.