Joe Rogan Experience #384 — Ian McCall Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. The Underground Creepy Top Team. We just make enough to pay for it and then But still, it's very common. I was getting in trouble for it, too. and then some people obviously complained This was before I was in the UFC. I've ever seen on message boards. He's on the prison documentaries. But it was weird watching it. but oh epic threads

3:46 a billion fucking pages long. You know, Yeah. but it just pissed me off. but it's also just, Don't be a pussy. Because you're going to explode I didn't mean it that way. Text messages. I got to go. People don't fucking understand that man, he was like an early pioneer That was most of my game. Didn't he have a bunch of epic fights with Pat Militech?

7:34 That was a nasty kick. Good for him, man. That was a long time ago. I? Yeah, exactly. He's living out in Dallas. He just wanted to change the scenery, so he took off. Good for him, man. a place, places, His nasty fucking ears, though. gang that the cops called us a gang but we were just a bunch of rich white kids who liked to fist jock would be like, what's up? And then of course I'm not the guy to hide. I want to

9:28 that you were, like, being a horrible person trying to pull out of it, I've literally done everything possible i I'm the best. and correct me if you disagree, That's not – it's not the same point. but we have people that have no business judging, judging fights. No, no, that's what I did. I don't want to get into it. That's what it comes down to is the mental

13:04 harder and longer and faster and everything. I mean, now I'm technically better, it just, it was just better. You know, I was just training harder and longer and life, the mistakes that you've made, like in some ways, surviving as many mistakes as you have like really creates a very fascinating person. Yeah. Yeah. you, punch you when you think he's going to kick you. He's, he is ever evolving. I make

15:18 He's getting the point where he did the strides Yeah, well, it's definitely a different game. It's incredible. watching the lighter weight classes. It's a perfect example of that. He hits hard. There's really nothing like that. Yeah. especially when they get all greased up, They go, this is what can happen. staggered a few times, like he's coming back.

18:22 He's a tough fucking guy, no doubt about it. Especially at that weight. He's very fast for a heavyweight. Of course and that argument is about like 240 that 240. Anything bigger than Cain Velasquez, That's when Frank Miller got way bigger. lester which is an all-time classic fight but But you see how quick Carwin gases out, like to the point where he's dead.

20:19 So, I mean, that's going to take not just 10 seconds if I thought I won. But you watch a body like that, that's when you go, okay, how big is too big? I just always hear them yelling and screaming. I mean like incredible. And he was doing it for reps. I would think it probably would help you a lot, man. If you go back, like, if you're a student of the game

22:30 They just didn't know. And all of a sudden, he's like a real heavyweight. And he was what, 40? was it Mackie Shulston worked with him? He was like one of those first guys that they were realizing back in the day, like, we've got to do things a little different here. I mean, that didn't turn out like it should have. And Marinovich is like a crazy strength and fitness guy. He's the guy who got

24:20 He fought Sean Shirk and he fought He beat a man up so bad that he was crying in the fucking corner. Because then people, you know, It's about beating the other man. I want to be the head monkey. Because I was good at everything. Bill Egan was my sifu. He he was he just i was his protege and he's like i'm gonna teach you things that i'm i don't teach other kids okay you have this red zone around you okay if they

26:39 A lot of the time, it started out as me wanting to beat up the bullies. What kind of a world is it where you get in trouble for that? Karate kid style? freshmen sophomore junior year because It's an amazing thing how many people Something that I can enjoy and I can attack it Your body's bouncing around. So bad. My parents, I was too fast for them. It just happened.

29:37 How old were you? But, you know, I was a degenerate I had a great upbringing. It's huge. your perception of reality when you're take the pain anymore. on people. Yeah, exactly. You seen it have devastating impacts on people. I mean, or pick on the cool kids it was fun. the only time I ever got really beat up, but like I, Right. really understand what's going on in life and you know people make a lot of terrible mistakes at

33:11 True. older than me my brother Brad who fought professionally before there was anything you But we were at Next Generation the crap out of me. It sucked, man. of the imagination, Anderson Silva, It seems like like a gang. Just wearing tiny Speedos. I mean, I've heard things from, you know, people who were there. They were just ready to go. zuluino or whatever yes i mean and he could he could fight but he was just they just see

36:10 you know, Well, make it the weirdest, I don't care and shut the fuck up. Yeah, Rampage was a beast, man. That right hook that he hit Chuck Liddell with, I know they were circling. God damn, he uncorked that left hook on the button. Very little. It was a weird rule thing. I mean, he had, again, one of the scariest tools to ever exist in MMA that he knocked out

39:14 He fought a lot of K-1 fights against the top guys. I mean, this is insane. I mean, dude had 29 kickboxing fights. and give him the credit he deserves but when he when he came over he was he had The angle, the speed. 230-ish, 228. him, or left-handed him, a straight left to the too. That was back when this was a guy, Bob Rob Kamen or He's actually 100.

42:55 He's that big. And it'll dart in and blast you. Something happened there. Do you feel that the ufc ones make and straight left to the face marco crocop was a fucking savage back then, man. He was one of the most dangerous guys as far as sniper strikers. Just blasting dudes with that head kick. and I remember just, like, Especially now that As a heavyweight champ. A risk-taking motherfucker, man. Yeah.

46:08 Yeah. Yeah. Crow Cop backing up he kept coming forward and he's always dangerous you Yeah. He could do things physically You couldn't believe a human could jump that high He looked like Wolverine. a cro-cop with? He jumped from It's like almost it comes too easy. Yeah, let's just forget that. Yeah, even a Ford Aspire the same results these incredible skills.

49:56 Fucking goddamn, Jeremy Horn had a lot of fights. It was a bludgeoning. It was like Chuck's first loss. He's a very big, very strong man. He was a terrifying guy, man. He's just that kind of guy who will break know, will break under that kind of pressure. And I'm sure if he fought the way he fought and if he trained for those kind of fights, Colin's been around forever.

52:17 I mean, to go from like Tito's early days, you know. At the time, Ken had already had a long career and had a lot of damage. but when he got on top of you, I always think, well, this guy would do better if he would get out of this position. Everybody I say, if I see someone doing a ground and pound thing in the guard, I always think, well, this guy would do better

53:40 horsepower engine. And if you're tired legs is very limited I mean even Chuck most of us want to go out on our shield. Someone do that on the UG. whether it's movement, steps, strikes landed, 43 kicks hitting your legs I know you do Did you fight in Brazil? Oh, that's beautiful. Those people, when they see a top contender in his weight. Thank you. And undeniably, they're mixed martial arts fans. Yeah.

56:32 like Chael Sonnen. to come to me for advice. against a Brazil. They're fucking, they have a lot of pride. Ooh, bamba de. American fans, you got to get your act together. They're singing songs and shit. different dudes that are Anderson, Shogun, you know, just all throughout the list. Yeah. he got, you know, he, yeah he got you know he like the guy Of course, if you can survive that, you're going to survive a fight.

59:30 To be yeah. That's where you know. There's no. I mean there's. You just know where to go. Such a high She's fucking badass. She is I see her beat dudes up all the time, and I mean she is fucking mean Pop, and I hit her back. you're going to punch a card too many times It gets cushioned a bit, but it almost rattles you more. and also do you do you practice uh training with guys that you could trust do you like it do or do

1:02:02 I have the guys that are on the team, but then I also have guys that are just Muay Thai, like Romy Adonza. And is he going to fight MMA or just Muay Thai? Romy for Sheldon Kim. Romy's another old school guy right yeah javi vasquez old school super old i mean he was the stairs and he was like what the fuck who he saw Javi. He saw this dude running sprints up the stairs, and he was like, what the

1:03:59 almost caught him in a twister once, Javi's also a guy that he was pretty public about his knee injury. God damn it. There's not enough room, all right? Robert fought a very smart fighter guy named Emerson. Every single time. And I see his point. But it is what you should do. You got to just try and put a chink in that armor somewhere so the body doesn't move right

1:06:30 I was bummed out that he was mad at me. I know, but I don't mean to. It's an especially weird job if you haven't done it. position for me to be in. I think it's a fucking tough gig. Yeah. I'm really bummed out about his legal situation. Yeah, me too. Yes. I love the guy. okay, good. I don't think. She's like 120 pounds maybe and goes, wah, Just yapping at me while I'm trying to fight.

1:09:58 Let's shut our phones off so Dana can't text us. you have to think about. And then there's other refs that don't tolerate none of that shit. It's the UFC fix your fucking judging. you guys are not taking into consideration here. one extra judge, and that one extra judge should be the internet. Yeah Maybe give them half a point? Right. If a guy has his back to me and the other guy has, I don't know what he's, I have to see a monitor.

1:13:30 there's a lot of fights where it could kind of go either way. I don't think they get it. That's how strong this is. fucking hard. And I think there should be... have knowledge and i I think, the My friend, you know, we disagree. They're so loyal. It is. He's a dude that I don't think to make 185. I mean, I see a lot of guys like that at every weight.

1:16:58 It's okay. original weight by, what, 27 pounds? where they just appear like oh my god this is the motherfucker right here and I met him in between fights. He was fucking gigantic. your body when you have that nutty seesaw right yeah i honestly probably think it takes a year or As opposed to, like, a guy like Johnson That one really screwed me up. I've never fought in the high altitude before.

1:19:40 You got a fucking dart in your neck, man. that shit, it makes your body super for a camp you know and i do do cvac which is i don't make enough money to pay for a camp. An egg. and then up and they do this rhythmic stuff to it What's it called again? I got totally hoaxered. No, no, no. like, there's no other way to get this feeling CVAC Ascent S-E-A-V-A-C?

1:22:46 Okay, CVAC. It's been around for a while. So what is the process? I mean, you read on there what it does. Okay, that's what they're calling it. I'm just joking. between sea level and about 22,500 feet with 200 to 400 pressure changes in between. When you hit Heather. finance, sank her life savings It's a tricky one, right, when someone calls you a jock.

1:25:41 How many times do you go? Cures Meniere's? How does it cure Meniere's? a lot of people that are excited about it. was trying to tell me I'm like, There's a bunch of them I don't think so. So many people were telling me how great they were. readers and i've been willing to believe a lot of stupid shit but the the reason why i didn't I'm like, that's not the same position.

1:28:01 Like, you guys are playing carnival. come on man you're trying to make some money i've seen people trying to make some money before but Yeah. Like, slap that bitch on. Put me back in center, in tune. I'd love to, except I can't get down there without a helicopter. And I went to visit him. I mean, it should have been a 40-minute drive at most. It's my family's.

1:30:41 Yeah. Like being by the water? Like, beat it. Not really. That was our beach. I've always wondered. Instead, you're just jammed up on your neighbor. His whole life has revolved around just got back from doing some spearfishing. My parents had gotten divorced at that point. He found out I was driving it, but I would just take it. So that's what's happening right now.

1:33:43 What a dick. I've never done any tuna fishing, but my friend Tommy did. sailfish, they're fun, pretty, but I love sushi. How's that possible? All right, largest amount paid for a tuna. Oh, well, fuck me running. Yep. There's some fuckery here. They probably did that just so people are paying attention. Yeah, I think he's going to rip your arms off.

1:37:04 It was only about 70 pounds but it was my oldest daughter was a vegetarian a little bit she was And we're very disconnected from it. She loves animals. It's only like 70 pounds. also their livelihood it's how they make a living so it's like it's a different sort of a situation I think they recognized that really early, Womp, womp. They're beating it with clubs, and it's real, man.

1:39:39 And then out of nowhere, it just flop, flop, flop, flop, flop, flop, flop, flop. looking down this like really you can eat marlin like i didn't know i didn't know you can't eat them but apparently you can That's a tuna. It's got to be. Can you imagine if there was like tuna that had four legs and would run down a field looking like that? You should be afraid of birds.

1:42:05 I mean, they're in a real survival of the fittest gene pool situation. And it sounds like a ridiculous thing to say. Exactly. after Mike Tyson lost his prime. Back in those days. Me and my brother both literally cried. I was a big Donald Curry fan. And he knocked that dude out and donald curry emerged it's like the top pound for If someone could allow you to create the optimum weight divisions,

1:44:59 you just get, you know, it gets diluted. It's just all a clusterfuck. and they go all the way up to 195, to put at least, I could see that those are big jumps, man. Like, big as shit at 205. And they don't work on it or they don't have it at all. competition is as high as it's ever been before now oh by far but you've had a chance to see it If they don't want to, they shouldn't have to.

1:48:00 And that maybe, you know, that is a good thing, because not only is he going to be tough, and it's just it's there's so many things that i feel like i can share um and it do i can help You just have sort of like this weird steady drip of life juice You started out shitty, but you got better and you got better. always turn to me for rehab stories, I got caught with some pills, and then I was a pill guy.

1:50:51 can stay there for six months. And it was a live in. And, and at first it was just escape, But isn't it crazy to be a guy who's such a mess and is wild and with like this really self-destructive style of living, There's something inherently, I don't know if it's right or wrong. Exactly. silly. Well, don't you think though, that there's something about you that is the way you are because of the adversity that you've gone through?

1:52:36 I'd probably go crazy from that because I wasn't doing anything nuts. Should have never given you money. stories of spending money. $200 million. He goes, Spike Lee, I guess, directed I lost. Remember when he bought a Bentley and crashed it and then gave it to the cop? It's going to cost me $100 to fix. so he couldn't cross the state lines. Yeah, I don't remember who made it.

1:55:12 know about this thing no it's you know they should have done it she went to a store in switzerland or fucking super dick the likes of which white women What are you going to do about it? It's a sad, sad movie. like boy you're dealing with a totally different kind of human being back then And Tyson sort of recognized that he was a throwback. I mean, you think about that

1:58:04 1913. It's a boxing match. What was the most amount of rounds you think anybody ever fought back in those days? Yes. That was a crazy one. A boxing match The longest boxing match ever took place in New Orleans on April 6th of 1893. the match was set to fought to a finish. Just vigorously masturbating. come out of their corner. Ah, but that's English people lying.

2:01:13 So maybe they're right, only four and a half math. I bet it'd be, like, a million bucks. How does that number even a real number? Yeah, this isn't, I don't understand. This isn't fair. Yeah, that's what they say. Take all those out. Deadliest catch guys. Went out and was a fucking crabber. Imagine him just on the boat the whole time doing that. You know, they're cutting weight.

2:04:30 fucking guy too yeah great guy very very fun dude to hang out with and he drives I've never been there. Yeah. We're like oblivious out here. I guess not I don't have a house to put it in yet cats and bears and shit like that and they're pretty good at figuring out how to are like their best fucking friends. as just like a big dog, For the most part, you're right.

2:07:45 But there's a video of a bear in, I've never forgot this. I'm 5'8", okay? But this moose, which is gigantic, okay, They're fucking huge A lot of times they go guts first Look at the size of it. is that fucking bear oh that's a big bear dude literally a fucking 600 pound and just, you know, I wonder why. and they have worn-out teeth, and they see you, and they're like,

2:11:05 And so they'll fucking eat Grizzly Man? it was like that. Yeah. and I believe like Jewel, for everything. They're responsible for all their own repairs and their equipment. They get all their every day is just a mad dash, it's gangster cold up there And obviously Jim's, you know, I'm sure listening to this, he's old, but yeah, he was up there forever.

2:13:30 It's like, wow, this guy. And that's how he feeds his kids. In the wintertime, it's apparently easier to kill them A wood house and a snowmobile. came to you and said, hey, there's a fucking, there's an ice age coming. Well, those people are going to die off because you know what? while you go to get your mail. You'll freeze to death. With the breeze and, you know, the nice, yeah.

2:15:48 Yeah, caribou. That almost, I mean, not obviously on the same level as fighting, If I was a fucking FBI profiler, I'm fucking with you That you just shot There's an elk that they found that froze to death, like trying to cross a lake I got it. You hater, folks. because the actual picture, the high-res picture, It comes to the weather. You can see the spine and the organs are all missing.

2:18:54 Like, oh, shit, what we got here, sorp? a wildlife expert? about some upcoming fights First of all, I've got to ask you, and Anderson does the same thing he always does, Watch other video. and it was ugly think that he i would love to see him in blitz weidman just because i want to see anderson do It's hard to wrap your head around that, how you could like a guy like Chris Weidman and want to see him get fucked up.

2:21:29 I'm a huge Rich Franklin fan. watch Lee Murray versus Anderson Silva. He listens to the podcast. Is he in Morocco? and he opens it up and it's like fucking Saddam Hussein's palace underneath the gym. Yeah, and stopped it's never happened before and it's it's it's such a cliche. It's the shot. You didn't expect exactly Legs go. That's how I would describe Anderson Silva's career.

2:23:42 Sometimes you can do it. without a doubt, at the top is Uriah Hall. it's going to be Howard by vicious. You know, I wonder if that's going to be the case Hall does a lot of wild shit. That's true, right? If you miss and you slip and your back is turned And it was kind of awkward. I mean, it was a toss-up. It was just not exciting to me. could have been because not a lot of action

2:27:04 You know, and it's interesting, you know, if it was just a kickboxing match, and fucked them up. He was constantly was constantly moving back and forth and had good head movement I mean, put my shitty call aside. And the rules are in place essentially like Kicks and takedowns and near submission attempts. Right. It gets tricky, right? Especially MMA and would do a good job.

2:30:25 Bud Light doesn't like us anymore. But can he? But I don't know if it's he's lazy or what it is. He had a completely different shape to his body when he came back after testing positive for testosterone. Like almost in like a dangerous area. Like, ooh, that's a professional athlete. And this is like really low. his last fight against Bigfoot. Almost in a dangerous area.

2:32:02 God damn, he looked good and scary. And Lesnar couldn't take him down. Just wicked ground game, submits Vitor Belfort, wins the Abu Dhabi trials. That's a good fight. but I think that Pyle's too crafty. He's like a dark horse. that man's heart when he fucking comes after dudes you could like you could smell the devil in the You're like, this guy, there's a certain fury that that dude brings into the cage.

2:34:31 through rehab. He's got his own issues. And it's the same thing I don't ever want to go back I woke up in the hospital with my brother just shaking his head at me. Like I actually was dead and they brought me back. I remember parts of it, and then I remember waking up in the hospital with just like, you know, one of my friends. You can do it. Okay, so you know what?

2:36:46 gotta get this dropped the ball I'm a constant threat I love when a dude pulls it out. I've made a lot of fucking mistakes. up as you can get. You Let's do it more often. UncleCreepyMMA on Twitter Yeah, you know the