Joe Rogan Experience #385 — Duane Ludwig, T.J. Dillashaw Transcript

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0:00 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! Sirius Secret. old school, like Gracie in action, 1993. And for folks who don't know, Dwayne, for a long time, had fastest knockout in UFC history. They gave it to you like 10 seconds, but it was really like six. Okay. Yeah, I don't even know. Do you hear Dwayne in your corner cheering it? Have you ever been in a fight where they booed?

2:29 right so what you asked me is we hear them booing yeah oh yeah i have i've heard for sure 100 do you that gets off of their game plan? let him run to us we keep our composure we stick to the game plan we adjust on the fly we make He's ruining MMA. I mean, like, who was that fucking guy that he fought, Well, it's not just strong. He seems to always be in the right place

4:58 But with Asker, I'm like, why is he grabbing... It's like he's doing this weird shit. He was like nothing like super technical, You know, like, we've all seen those kung fu videos where dudes are just making shit up. Well, you can tell literally while they're doing it that they're making it up as they go along. There's a ghetto one where there's this dude,

6:23 And he's throwing these Kung fu moves at these people. Those are the possibilities. And he, like, tried to get me to – I'm not going to tell you if it worked or didn't work. Like, what if it's – I had to, and start moving? And I can't believe I'm doing it. Like, the reason why cults work, There's people that just fall under the spell. information you understand what's going on you understand

8:32 Even if it gets through the entire But yet it's happening. So I'm off for the stand-up well That shit saved me. If it wasn't for that fucking stand-up, I probably would have lost that fight. You always had a big technical littlest like one of the things you kept saying put your hands by your face if but I also appreciate people shutting people down.

11:17 before he finished him but he still finished him like he was he was beating him clearly but he still Guy got hit once. he's a perfect specimen. I mean, Mighty Mouse what you're talking about. Everyone's been pointing the finger at me I'm not going to make them Dwayne Ludwig. That's your style. And that can be taught. You take a million reps, work and then you'll get in there with your raya hall or somewhere that level and they'll wheel

13:53 learn how to do it. It's like everything else. whang, and they clamp that bitch down and you know you're not getting out of that motherfucker I didn't know anybody could close off a guillotine You know what I mean? I'm tapping I'm tapping let me tapping him like he would tap i was 15 now i'm 35 so i've been 20 years you know career but i've been training people since

16:14 But a lot of my stuff is just self-taught from DVDs and YouTube and the Internet. ninja. If he had, work, the quality work for me same thing eddie bravo story so he's not you know a great athlete so you kind of break People don't like to get punched. they can relax they can relax. They can relax. So it's good, man. Because when you're kicking the shit out of the fucking pads,

19:26 So things just kind of dwindled away in my last few fights. But yet you still have the enthusiasm It's just, I'm loving my life right now. they're partying and obviously you know a lot of these guys are coming from lower income backgrounds I never made a million dollars in the last few fights. you know, You know, but it was also just that they're wild dudes.

21:48 you know, Reem, he does those documentaries. He's a champion when he gets out of bed. He's a champion when he gets out of bed. I'm very black and white. So I don't know who to thank. You know it. I watch film like a motherfucker. I make sure that when I do game plans or I do drills it. They, and they know I'm passionate. I'm there for these motherfuckers. Like a hundred percent. I watch film like a motherfucker.

23:14 four or five rounds is for this guy, TJ is good at, just like the Goulet fight. So I flew out and trip boss and it was actually trained was actually trained at the 10th Planet Bomb Squad, the old bomb squad. Just step off to the side with the right hand. I'm punching him and he's looking away So there's a couple of things to that. be the heavyweight champion of K-1.

25:23 but looking back on it now i wish i would just would have stayed with the UFC from the get-go. I could rent that of course. I figured out what am I going to do. he did an outside trip and blew my knee out, I just started holding myths for these guys about two months ago. So you had a patella tendon graft, right? mine's great, but for me, Do you run much, though?

27:26 sprints that's what i do like if i'm in a hotel room and i can't you know if there's not a gym It's just an elliptical, man. You've got to do it. I'm not even preparing for anything. I'm just scared. There's having sex next to me. That's what it's got to be. You've got to go for it. You've got to do it. If I don't get this weight up, I'm going to die.

28:27 But I love it, man. Although there are some things Whether or not you just got lucky It's not that everything happens for a reason, it's just that They could have. And I am the correct guy for this job man we're vibing fucking 100 Yeah, that's so important. And so I'm always ready to take a fight as long as I'm not injured. It's a crazy gig man don't understand this. I only wrestled for one season so I'm just talking out of my ass

31:18 from much earlier than that. And that's the advantage that the wrestler mentality has like I always say that if the pyramid of mixed martial arts techniques was ever And we weigh in every week. think the weight cutting aspect of it is a huge tragedy in high school though i really really do I didn't know how to cut weight right. down he definitely knows how to make the human body lose weight correctly and then come back

33:50 Can you get there, though? build but you look at ben Askren, you don't There's going to be an engaging. Where you at, motherfucker? seen a bunch of fights like that so then that's when instead of encouraging the stand-up you You know, I mean, to try to win, to win the fight. Nice, yeah. you get these wild berserker dudes, in your career, and that's how it should be.

37:08 Look, but what if he does? Guess what? and you say, okay, he does this. tell them about it? I'd have to study some films. I don't even watch them I can watch with fucking watching film just to give me well on it from alpha brain just to get different looks on things i have another guy in colorado Joey Cocodillas, So like, like I'm still relevant. I love that guy.

39:30 man. carry on. being able to have these, and then win the fucking fight And especially considering the fact that there's really no established protocol to do it. He's got awesome stuff. while they're doing what they feel comfortable doing. You're making it work. Team Alpha Melon, do a seminar. I'm hoping to bring Leaster Bowling. where I'm making these guys do one thing. I want these guys to be the best martial arts they can

41:49 And it's the way, you know, his energy and shit, man. I got a great group of people around me, like Mr. Rogan, the team off email, It's the newest one. And then to push my Bang With Ty brand. I want to own a house. any motherfucking money. I shouldn't say they've been without me. It's not just me. critical douche point yet I worry about I worry about the alpha brain I'm like

44:01 it you you're absolutely living that shit i fucking love it man you're seeing improvement you're seeing like I love it. You're absolutely seeing. I'm living that shit. I fucking love it, man. You're seeing improvement. Correct, yeah. He's on another level, 100%. You know what I mean? That's the thing I did when I fought Ramon Deckers, you know? the things too but you know i mean he sucked me up and you know he won and he'd probably do it

45:50 Fucking crazy. Yeah, but he used to have really bad ankles right like yeah like Just look up Bang Muay Thai highlight. Yeah, you do, actually. Bang Muay Thai You fucked up, Brian. What a cool motherfucker. catching in California. What the fuck is that? I think you are. Where are you at, Ben-Avi? The music and everything. Look at cake. Hey, I wanted to ask you about that too the kicks to the back of the head

48:32 Oh, I loved that fight. Yeah. Oh, you're an animal. To my affiliates That's what it is I say okay But I take my phone. But I send them exactly what fucking drills and combos to do that week. I think you can get away with it because people call us death squad, which is way douchier, right? I love this shit, man. It's like we're training. I'm passionate. I love that. I know. I's making me intent. I'm excited, man. I love this shit, man.

50:53 I'm happy. I'm living through these guys. I'm gonna game plan for the fight I'm learning to the point now And we have a good time when I'm in that cage and I'm walking these guys out and I'm fucking I'm going to say that shit some more. That's one of the things, too. Like, to be a good training partner, Just make them work. What the hell? No, carry on.

53:17 But it's something I've been doing since I was 19 anyway. 100%. Kicking not everybody's ass, but doing good. Well, obviously, right? I set my goals too low, basically, I think. And then I started searching for, okay, I need a certain opponent to motivate me. I set my goal. fucking guys too, Like, And there's more money Yeah, the King of the Cage one when you pulled off the karate kick.

56:03 So I'm backstage. I'm nervous as fuck. And then I went back to fighting, and then they stopped the bout. Well, no. So you gave yourself some wings? Just to show that you're really lovable and perfect. Take him off to a treetop and eat his brains. The parents should have been watching the fucking kid, right? His name's Dwayne Bang Ludwig, my little boy.

58:09 Yeah, I will I can I will bitch. You know I am they said no, but you kept pushing for me, So for me, it was always a travesty. That's just a fact. that are fucking smashing bricks with their elbows. How is it any more dangerous? That Travis Brown, you can't teach that kind of heart. If Alistair hit him with those shots in the head, his body would just shut off. But because he took him to the body, like his heart got him through one of the craziest beatings I have ever witnessed anybody survive and then overcome

1:01:19 We were walking back from Uriah's fight And I see Alistair just dropping. okay like if you write UFC in the title they'll just yank our shit they'll just But for the UFC, they don't play. like say if you have a video, like a scene from a movie, Somehow or another, they can do that. You might have you breathe. You keep on questioning everything. That one, I don't know either way.

1:04:25 If you were to say that, everyone would think so, though. That's how cults get started. You can go to NASA's website, and they'll show you where contrails will linger in the sky and where they won't. And when you create moisture out of that burning jet fuel It's very easy. We've seen the footage from Vietnam where they sprayed Agent Orange to defoliate vast parts and jungles.

1:06:09 on a regular basis. And when you barium again i'm not a scientist i'm half retarded again took a lot of shots to the head as a But in this situation, we have to look at it. A day. Fuck yeah, it changes the environment environment but it's just like pollution changes the environment in la when you If you're wrong about the majority of what you see in the sky, you discredit the possibility, the very real possibility, that things have been done.

1:08:39 I think chemtrails are just an excuse for pansies that like to look at clouds. And people have to understand these are fucking Southwest Airlines flights you're looking at. got fucking mad at me because of chemtrails important to totally, completely explain it would get overruled, I think because it's such a complex issue, I think we owed a very complex and scientific explanation.

1:10:35 South Park, they can do whatever the fuck they want, you know, because it's a proven But it's part of the thing of creating something, when you try to create a show. tell me exactly what the fuck you saw i barely remember shit i did last week i mean i'm being DwayneBang.com today. I don't think it's coming out the way I want it to come out. I love that.

1:12:54 There's a lot of that out there. the past man i've been i've believed in a lot of stupid shit in the past. they look like jellyfish what they really are. when i was doing a q a and he asked he got in line and and said he needed to talk to me about roswell across the video it's not flying that fast like I can see it so how can I not is you're making a plea to ridicule.

1:15:35 It shows what looks like a five-sided pyramid, I think, and a face, a face on Mars. You know? the nose to the left where Clinton used to get his blowjobs, Like, you motherfuckers. It's not a fucking face on the mars there might be that do look like five-sided pyramids. Let me think if that's it. Go there. if someone sent you this, Look at that. 100% it looks like someone made a cool ass

1:19:13 If you looked at that you would swear What's a geologist? And he's exposed a lot of really fascinating shit that lived far earlier than we're giving 14,000 years old, as old as? They know for a fact that most likely all of the life in North America, So because of that, Graham has this eager the coast of Yamaguchi, It could be weird. Whenever you're searching for information, you've got to be open to all fucking possibilities.

1:22:04 as Giant's Causeway or things like chemtrails we interviewed for the show listened to this podcast hello pat fucking kettle There should be a warning not to drink caffeine before you listen to this one. I know you are. This bulletproof stuff. I think that cholesterol most certainly is probably bad for you like you know car with no person in it picks you oh that's coming right that's

1:24:19 right through your windshield especially if a like a miata or some you see an elk you mac shit like so you have this gigantic pickup truck with this fucking metal battering ram that Aporkalypse 2013. area of Japan They're really cute. Yeah. helicopter at pigs. Yes way! They're setting it up like these pigs are dangerous which is true but look at this that's pig man and ted nugent this might be one of the

1:26:57 Yeah he's shooting a fucking bow and arrow rights activist went fucking bananas when i posted this video it was really interesting i watched this Yeah, I got so much crap on Twitter I hunted on the Crow Indian Reservation in Montana, Yeah, and they don't realize that by me doing that, And that if you really study it, and it's so hard to do, They get good numbers running through so people can or can't fish.

1:29:29 disease which spreads throughout the east coast there's people that are fucked up from lime disease Oh, wow. The deforestation has actually created larger areas. If you don't, you have deaths on the road. I'll show you some cows too, bitch. for conservation and have more impact You have to understand that you're a fucking animal too. dogs and our pets who we love very much our cats and what have you we associate that with wild

1:32:56 I watched a documentary about the dude who lived with the wolves and his gigantic wildlife containment and he would actually i would fucking kill it like you have to do that yeah and people have to understand that that used that yeah say that you have one that's I got to the point yeah you kids were You're kind if you don't have to be mean. They fucking devastate farms and cost people who have this land.

1:35:13 Also making money off it, making it seem cool to kill animals and stuff. Pigs in Texas Number one I didn't even catch that shit fending for themselves, They fuck up a storm. Yeah. They tear down your fences. more than 5 million wild hogs They literally almost have to do this And yes, and no yes, it's cruel. Yes. It's horrible. Yes. I'm an animal lover. Yes

1:38:38 I'd imagine. Meanwhile, he misses the first shot, second shot, heart shot, heart shot. You know what would get better ratings On some of the episodes, they catch the pigs with dogs. They have two separate types of dogs. One dog catch the pigs and knife them. They catch the pigs. On some of the episodes, they catch the pigs with dogs. It's fucking gangster.

1:40:04 Like, how did you get over there? The ratings for Fox Sports One were off the charts That was awesome. It was like one good fight after another good fight. That guy's a beast. He's been fighting tough dudes, man. He's one of the most exciting guys ever. Yeah, benefit us was September 4th gets for Amiga in Brazil and then hopefully gets a title shot after that. How old is he now?

1:42:31 Do you feel that's that's accurate? I'm not even lighter guys Because, you know, obviously you have Randy, who's the most successful. 34 or 35, yeah. Do you have an alternative name for alpha males? How about We're an American Bang? It can't be Bang, Team Alpha Male. what everybody wants and what everybody talks about. I just banged my girlfriend twice, bro.

1:44:49 I think though it's like one of those things and putting pictures of her ass on Twitter. Whatever the fuck it was. Oh, shit. What are your thoughts on vaccines? where you slowly vaccinate your children Babies are super sensitive and very delicate. The question is, is it worth that risk to continue vaccinating people? Is it worth the risk that the agree that vaccines are important,

1:47:19 And he took a vaccine so that he wouldn't get Lyme disease because he was scared of it. But now measles are starting to come back. A lot of people don't realize this. by the elite to control the population disease specialists and scientists You ever heard of MERS? Yeah, on the Joe Rogan Questions Everything show. Clearly this is a wormhole like bitch. That's someone's headlight

1:50:31 So that's the thing that people say Because when I read that, that a court awarded millions of dollars to two children with autism. after receiving nine vaccines in one day. Because that's what it sounds like. 2013 over 2.5 billion dollars have been paid out from this vaccine-caused injury and death compensation fund. Like, what are they doing there?

1:53:00 when Jenny McCarthy talks about vaccines and causing your kid autism, I don't know. A New Jersey girl whose mental development was stopped at two months old after a routine immunization has received a $4.7 million settlement from a national trust fund. How does it go? but millions of fucking dollars man billions even given out so that's my opinion about vaccines i

1:55:11 It's not an either or. It's not like I'm going to the Supreme Court there you're talking about, Two very complicated issues that a lot of people get real fuckery. Like, why are you committed? So what the fuck do they know? There's certain times where made out of hard surfaces, and it's not Sometimes shit happens, man. That too. So that was my last fight at 55, which made me go up to 70.

1:59:03 So it could have been things happen for a reason, They have that ability to fucking figure out how to get up Just didn't get that shot yet. Joe Riggs? Oh, that's right. Yeah, I did hear They make Joe Riggs out to be some magic man. And sometimes it doesn't come together for you. And in the world of prize fighting, The structure of your face looks different

2:01:49 mouth breathed every practice. Everything I ever did Right right from unbreakable Hector and Victorville. I can makes the best mouthpieces The doubles are a pain. Yeah, the doubles are Remember those? It would be interesting to find out if that works. It might be bullshit. Yeah. It might be. I'm going to get my mouth clamp down. I don't think I've ever deadlifted with my mouth open. Maybe you should try. It'd be interesting to find out if that works.

2:03:12 Not that long, man. was getting the packing out. Pull pulling the packing out was incredibly painful after he cut out the scar tissue and turbinators whatever those things were I want to get it done you're gonna get hit but he scraped it I think I need to do it after the next fight. I mean, I think look your nose is weak. Anyway, yes little fucking thing you get shinned in that thing It's not I mean whether it's strong. I mean when it's, look, your nose is weak anyway. This little fucking thing, you get shinned in that thing.

2:05:21 And just don't do what Vanderlei did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nick Diaz also. He still looked like of cartilage and rebuild his nose. and then hard yeah just like your ear cauliflower ear it's the same they went in and lanced it and So he was scared to take more out, and my nose would collapse. Yeah, while it heals. through one nostril. It's not designed to get punched in the face. No. It's designed to like. You gotta think, man. There's a a shitty design. Yeah. I mean, why is it so weak? It's on the front of your face. It's not designed to get punched in the face.

2:07:15 And I just smashed my nose on the stair. until i got it fixed and then once i got it fixed like the idea of being able to breathe my mouth Yeah. And I just won had a figure and adapt. What do you think about all these new? container. It makes a I mean, he's crazy, but he's no bullshitter. But my cardio was insanely good when I started sitting in the hyperbaric chamber.

2:09:15 Don't they make them where you can get it for the gym? What is the variation? just only do hyperbaric chambers and uh it was in sacramento um i i got prescribed through it if I went to go do an hour and a half dive, Yeah. I can't even tell you the science behind it, but all I know is that it works, dude. I could use that. and high altitudes. And as pressure increases, the volume of oxygen in the air naturally increases.

2:11:43 I don't think so. water bottle. So there's several of these And your locations. That's a sponsor flag. Zoom in for details. How about fuck you? criticizing our website and it really hurt my feelings. Yeah, well, you get gangster when you teach. I think it's such an amazing thing, the ability to sort of mold young fighters, Well, sure, if a dork attacked you.

2:14:26 or defend myself. really diligent. in a situation No. Maybe somebody else called me. Next thing you know, clang. Yeah, for sure. I've had to hold this guy back a couple times. I just... Sometimes, yeah. who has this uh very interesting quote about smart people defending dumb ideas and smart, there's a lot of very intelligent people that believe really stupid things,

2:17:05 believe that you have the skills to win the fight, I love that dude, so I'm looking at him That's why I do have the fighters watch the film. like well fuck man maybe there's something to this. just to compare notes, Yeah, there's many elements It's like now is a good time for that like sometimes I don't want to watch fights. Sometimes I want to watch a you know

2:18:50 You've got to really be on your toes. that were being prescribed Because that's another issue that I think is really important. I want to hear a good one, actually. So I had my buddy Oscar Martinez throw me in the car. So lesson learned here. Wear a cup, gentlemen. wear a cup gentlemen where i know what i do is i take So that's what I always wear. For folks who never heard of it, if you're doing jiu-jitsu or anything,

2:21:11 i had like when i broke my jaw i was taking a liquid some kind of liquid pain pill i don't This is not for you hundred percent. It's not for everybody affects him differently though like you're feeling your body more i'm like you know what i gotta incorporate that more and then I feel the community today. All right. That was it. You're an athlete for sure.

2:23:25 I was trying to the spin kicks. It's an awkward way for you to move That's good. very girly and uh the other one i have a-old as well, but who's much more creative and artistic. But I'm like, look you if you love lesbians I was being a blasphemy for being a lesbian! Of course I can. You're going to be a fighter. some things already you know i wonder where he's from and then my daughter my daughter jay like

2:26:07 you know, That's why I'm always fucking happy because I get to basically do what I want every day. I don't. I like a lot of shit. you fuckhead? went on a um a flight on a helicopter over malachi yeah and malachi only has like a couple thousand at a time and it's legal i want to go i actually have an affiliate in hawaii so hopefully i get That's a different island.

2:28:25 beautiful from the ground you know you just get out of your car and you're like wow this is amazing Probably was part of it, for sure. It's crazy what people have done, dude. that they made themselves. Yeah, because it took you a year to build that net. What do you think, 50? Right. I've never canoed. So let's say, best case scenario, you're going gangster.

2:30:40 So there's a couple of key factors in that. It's great. I look at things so many different, you know, I look at things so differently now. I'm not, you know, OCDing about shit that I can't control right now. even if I do hold the mitts on the wrong side, I'm not getting crazy. You can guarantee pretty much L.A. Speedweed's gummy bears have a spit. There's no way to know.

2:32:58 I'm not you know I'm I went to high school now is it like no college education Apple juice is her favorite, but orange juice sucks. but man, there are reasons for it, for rules and guidelines and such, And I also think, look, Because if you do take it and you're not ready, you're going to get an experience very unlike a regular get high, smoke a joint.

2:34:59 You know we went too far one day and I started thinking about my childhood I take four Advils when I got a headache. I didn't really know my reserve. weight cutting, redlining your body, and then, of of course steroids or taking too much steroids when you need to. Then just spark it. My man. And then I got Ben Schister in Westminster, Colorado. DwayneBang.com, they will remember.

2:36:47 So you give away belts He's actually got a blue belt. I was really impressed at the way he structures his combinations. You watch certain type of fighters, and you go, oh, I see what he just did there. He's very cool. It's Ernesto Hoost leg kick highlight. Yeah, he knew who I was, too. I was like that's really cool yeah that was cool yeah he knew who i was too i was like holy yeah but i'm still uh i'm a kickboxing dork yeah but you're popular as yeah you get watch this you watch ernesto

2:39:09 And the way he chops down with it, man. That fucking left hook hook right leg combo is so nasty And he would shut motherfuckers down. He was the biggest any fighter has ever been. That big, crazy fuck is just going to fucking Donkey Kong you into the ground. looking for a Nester it shows you how strong enough to keep You just can't stand in front of him.

2:41:38 How long can you really keep that much supplements in your system? And it's really unfortunate watching him fight now That's always a misconception. Jesus. 3.70 with abs. TJ, thank you very much for doing this, and thanks for helping me out today, man. Shit, man. Thank you. I appreciate you. Thank you, Mr. Rogan. This has been awesome, man. It's been a beautiful time. TJ, thank you very much for doing this.

2:42:49 It was really fun getting to see you move with him and kick the bag, and your technique like 50, 60% better. three of those. your name? Thank you, guys. Thanks to Squarespace. and save yourself like I benefit from this show