Joe Rogan Experience #396 — Stefan Molyneux Transcript

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0:00 And Stefan Molyneux, if I'm correct, that's your name, right? Oh, okay. What is the difference between Quebec French and French French? How rude. I think you covered that better than anyone I saw online, on TV, in the media. Yeah, yeah. Wow. rolling around the neighborhood. because they edited it to make him sound like a racist. you always say we want to live

3:00 some other white guy? have striped, striven, and it's hard to do in this culture, to just treat people like That pattern has been so firmly established. I wonder if that actually scares people off from dealing with people just like they're human beings because they're afraid of that card getting pulled and then getting really admirable human beings people who've learned to harness this this frustrated energy

5:56 is just misused potential and misguided. A human being is so incredibly complex. There's so many We can turn it around. the momentum of being a bad person up because it's like opposite planet. We've got this thing from religion. Everyone has And how are these people becoming that? Is it because of nature genes, that's what you're born with, right? And then maybe you can influence

8:47 You can end up like twins who grew up in different households can end up with different genetics based on their environment. it seems so weird in the 21st century that that's legally just not in the face and not with an implement. So it's just, and of course For wars you need soldiers. have to plot it out in some smoky room ahead of time. It's just their instincts to go get the

11:14 But I don't think it's something written down and handed out in secret Braille scrolls or something like that. The wall of resistance against the Syria invasion was bigger than anything that I had ever seen in my entire life. the Russian guy, And about how we are all just human beings. but somehow it's elevated through the magic of patriotism into, like, wonderful stuff.

13:54 And, you know, the concept of me being a president is just the most ridiculous thing of all time to me. And more. troops and obama's like okay fire up the airplanes we're going to pull those buggers out because far as the direction of society and privacy in the United States that was exposed by these Are you going to flag? I think what we're in right now as far as the whole privacy thing

17:10 you can have answers to any question. incredible, right? But there's this huge race. It's like these two bullet trains going across anything like that, which is unprecedented, So when you get information to people, you fragment the central narrative Communists had a great story about Do you think before the internet, American media would be playing anything that Vladimir

19:14 is really a good theme in the show last night. Yeah, I agree. The idea of keeping water from people that need water. the idea of keeping water from people that need I just don't see how it can continue. Like, I'm not a dumb guy, you feel like, you know, The desire to dominate is, well, more and more government. If you really feel like you know exactly how people should live

22:36 But once you get exposed to a vast amount of contradictory information, you realize I think that's great because I think there's a real danger in claiming the kind of arrogance that comes from especially very highly educated people in specific areas. day I'm exposed to dozens they're talking about quantum physics. if you think you understand this is an amazing thing

24:30 I know it does some creepy shit deep down. Like, what are you talking about? It's magic to us, but then these microphones are kind of magic to me. and it's amazing when you really start to think about what we know about nature, the Renaissance and the Enlightenment is when people said, well, God doesn't answer anything. What is the sun? How does it work? And all that. I think we're kind of

27:10 there's got to be someone who's saying, And somehow we think, this is going to goes up considerably. Yeah, I suck 27 minutes. That was it. We had the and this professor is going to recommend these books. slide, it's not any side at all. But you're an hour's walk from Manhattan. insane amount of potential in the mind and in the body's ability to manipulate matter and nature,

31:27 to recommend that or try to just... I mean, when you see the president on television, beings, and strengthen that. Wouldn't we be a better country if we had less losers? Wouldn't we? never done and it's it's we we we look at it in terms of you know it's almost like going from presidential run to presidential run. It's all just plain whack-a-mole with whatever fucking crisis is coming up at the moment,

33:36 to be long gone. So we have this weird society that does these really narrow time slices, Treat them like they're reasonable human beings. They can start doing that at about 18 months of age, that there's an economic aspect to that bathe them they don't really have time for quality interaction it's very difficult the idea that 10 20 years later it's still the same so this idea that you can just march people off to work,

35:41 It really ups the GDP because everyone's working. for four years because it was a good investment. Well, take that same approach. If you want to It's like a happy child throughout your life and you get to develop a human being in the correct way and you see it, and it's not the way a child and just have someone else take care of the busy work of taking care of your child while you do that?

38:25 And of course, a lot of them were like, oh, okay, great. Everyone says it's a wonderful thing. But it really is an incredible thing to I know it's a cliche, and everyone's always, it's the most wonderful thing, I guess it's not that challenging, You know, you can get an angry robot to do that, right? If you didn't do that, it would be really engaging.

40:10 And it's fascinating when you see different cultures all throughout the world, if you You've been with your wife a long time, right? as going out for dinner with me, your ever-loving husband. and you breastfeed the child and you know that child? Yeah, it's... And I get it. I get that they want a child and I get that they want Yeah. And all the support, all the, you know.

43:17 Again, not that they all turn out that way, but when you in government spending if marriage rates had stayed as they did in 1970, you know, when the vast majority of people got married, stayed married, and so on. Oh, yeah. And they sort of really shifted the curriculum. And again, because they're growing up without dads, they don't have that role model of how

45:23 So you get another drug for that. wealth, well, we have a bottom And you talked about this in the show yesterday. Have you ever seen an alligator bite onto its brain? try masturbating with pot So if you enable people to self-medicate, you know, and I don't mean that in a bad way, Right, right, right. It's not like you can grow moonshine. I mean, isn't it illegal? I mean, own booze. Oh, right, right. You can't make your own moonshine.

48:00 places and a big crop and stuff like that in the process that you're just really hard sickness is a bad thing and the GDP should reflect stuff now i mean it's just completely insane it forces everyone into these really really bad I mean, it's a completely different thing. bell to ring so I can run out of here. And I thought at the time, well, obviously I'm

49:54 this fucking cookie cutter shit that It's madness. for how to grow empathy. I would never have guessed them, so I'm asking you to try. My daughter is really into this right now. Kids don't get free play in nature anymore. so many households. And this is why where you and I, our brains would light up like Christmas trees, right? There's other stuff, you know, physical, physical emotional abuse how do they calculate all this do they just find sociopaths and work backwards back well they do big you know they do big studies

52:49 and find out how they react before this recording started. it's called Joe Rogan Questions Everything. had functional knowledge of a crime scene. creativity or the imagination to sort of conceive and play it out in your head and then that Right. They did a study where they got people to agree with a particular ethical statement. They opened it up and they asked them, can you just read that again and tell us what you think?

55:55 and they start giving an incredibly distorted self-serving version of it. something I'm passionate about, I can remember details of fights and very important things but like last night last night's show was amazing I've been But that's called being in the moment, right? and yet my memory of it is this incredibly cloudy thing I've done it. an artificial way of recording life that's going to be like,

58:50 Really? approve Freedom of Information Act. They're just We had to turn this on and off when we said something important. I mean, Hydrax race is so cheap It's a very strange aspect. And when you get down to this finite point of this finite barrier right? That's how churches get built. I mean, it's not like they went out and made it. He's going to limit their fucking bonuses to half a million dollars.

1:01:34 Like, the banks failed and so they get a bonus. They just did this fine. I think it was yesterday. So they did illegal stuff which cost their clients a lot of money. for what J.P. Morgan did to rip off its customers? think about just think about what when people go to jail for just for what they do with the stock I mean, the Chinese are sick of them.

1:03:51 Zimbabwe, you know, dollar bill toilet paper. they issue some bullshit currency And the dollar's lost like 98% of its value it's really expensive because it's been devalued so much. blames the local supermarket for raising the prices as if they want to. Right. But it's information and now that you know people like you are putting this stuff out there and and

1:06:02 do you think that it can be re-engineered? So there's a long-term solution. I mean, the short-term And then what happens is there's going to be talk of sacrifice. social security recipients to live on less, That's some expensive stuff. Is that really the number A third of people in that section of the He's got a great show. Great guy. depending on who you ask, over the course of his lifetime and the lifetime of his sons.

1:08:20 Wouldn't you armhook? Like, at one point, you just, like, get my fucking arm flies off. And also shoot sideways, if that was still going on, Right, right. It's a completely different game. Violation of the non-aggression principle. It would be, but I don't think it's conceptual. Right, right. To me, it's, you know, ultimate fighting championship is, to me,

1:09:50 And the discipline, I can't remember the name And I was watching the show last night, and I was thinking about, like, why is this occurring? And I was really struck by, you know, dick fart jokes and stuff like that. Actually, that sign I put up, it's on my first CD, which is called I'm Going to Be Dead Someday, which I released in 1999. full of shit, which is fine. But I had this sort of idea like we're supposed to be united

1:12:29 El Gato. Yeah. Brian Callen. Yeah. Brilliant stuff. Brilliant stuff. Uh, and anything again, Why can't I see out of my left eye? But here at this level, Primally. Well, the primal fear of competition itself, the fear of failing, the fear of overcoming adversity or not being able to, that's a real part of being a person is the challenges of life itself.

1:14:25 It was entertaining. And I know people enjoyed it. And that moment, that like, here it is. weren't aware of the personal dissatisfaction with your own at on Fear Factor is to talk people through Push them away. They don't exist. thing, man. I mean, that is one of the reasons why we're here, is because people did confront You forget stuff then, right?

1:17:48 response whereas before it was just like i'm going to surrender to this god-awful thing and then it's shark but it's also knowing that that no way is coming every fucking day, getting up at I'm incredibly sorry. wouldn't you want to get away from it? And it gets in your head, the bullying, right? And I was like, okay, this is not how I want to live my life.

1:20:24 it was one of the core issues of being a boy growing up I went to boarding school. the worst thing you could ever be in a martial arts class. I am a black belt in jiu-jitsu, Well, I mean, sometimes it's big, strong men. having honor and having respect and if kids learned that at an early age there phrase, a vehicle for developing human potential. So you find out, because it's so difficult, you find out what you can do.

1:23:21 I had very few physical altercations outside of he's that and they just left me alone right it became just become scary enough so that they who once said that There's a massive amount of those that are not being represented by the way we live our lives. Yeah, certainly learning how to manage aggression is really important. I think one of the, yeah,

1:26:12 Because it's funny and it's an enjoyable place to be. was real body work, which I'd never been exposed to before. We did gymnastics. That is the seed of everything that you are. People say I've got a gut instinct. Yeah. something like that, or an overly stiff body posture or something like that. I think that Because the brain we can talk us up in and out of stuff but the body think, really connects at a very visceral level with the people around us.

1:29:07 And I think that the idea that the body is separate from the mind is really kind of silly. We experience a physical stress of a deteriorating body. is even within the mind there's this great therapy called internal family systems therapy, But I think that the idea that we are always in a state of negotiation with ourselves is where people negotiate with each other.

1:31:07 not have a single dominant authority within ourselves, but everything is a negotiation. just a reflection of how we deal with ourselves internally. most, is the ability to admit you're wrong. The ability to admit mistakes, the ability If you don't, maybe you're the perfect person, but if you do and you don't admit it, we can't So he had a success rate of about 20%.

1:33:49 And now, to this day, if I have a set that's not so good, I recognize that I hate that, so I will now refocus and that this is a good thing. And so what I did was, you know what, I'll just read this whole email. Because nobody believes that you're right all the time. like as I know that you do, you have a massive following online, And yeah, especially when you put out a lot of shows, you're just going to get stuff wrong

1:36:12 He's an okay guy for me. it's honest and it's intelligent because that wasn't available before and one of you're coming from, but I disagree entirely. I can respect that, but I don't like that. I don't Greatest people in the world, but if you make one factual slip, like six million guys are going to come down with you, Completely true. people out on mistakes. There's a

1:39:13 One of the things that these guys love doing is debunking things for like a score. But if they're right, they're right. That doesn't mean it's not light there, right? circumcision. answer. So you thrust, and the foreskin has give back and forth, and stuff like that. And secondly, it actually, let's say it does reduce AIDS a certain amount, which has not actually been proven to do,

1:41:49 I don't need a condom because him and well, now he's even less AIDS-y. You know, these are like, hey, like hey what okay i wasn't listening before i pricked up my ears I'm concerned. I think it's some ancient bullshit. effect and i see i see why people do it i don't see that one i don't understand it the only thing And I think partly why trauma repeats is it gets normalized, right?

1:44:23 It was one of the most. Because some kids wouldn't. Some kids woman. She still is. The idea that someone could just do that to you or that someone could do that to their wife I mean, I'm not like, you know, constantly trying to be like some statue of perfect fatherhood I know it does for me. It's impossible. horrific crime and there's also just a weakness like I'll never forgive a man

1:48:19 Yeah. victim. You know, and I hit a four-year-old. I mean, are you really so far out of options as an your blog to try to paint yourself out to be a victim, you beat your fucking kid, man. communicate with them until it's over, When I was your age, I used to do this all the time. But I have a lot of time. talking about. I don't want her to think that I'm some giant authority figure

1:50:59 And I think, oh God, if we could just fix language. Euphemisms are, you know, they're just the plaque in the arteries of the brain that confuse so many people. And I wish people would just be honest about it, but they can't even be honest with themselves, like how about this 98% women and children. Is that the actual statistic? 98% innocent. 98% women and children.

1:52:43 we have to deplore the actions of a father to kill because people have killed. into those areas that are high-risk military genetics. And they just fired it indiscriminately into the city. run by America, by the special forces, by the army, And then they're saying, well, you know, I mean, come on. Don't you find that to be... I mean, you meet a lot more people than I do.

1:56:04 Yeah. Yeah, it's a lovely place. and a BMW and a porcupine and the bricks are on the outside. mean, they're just, oh, you know, because a lot of people who make it big, it big, like Gwyneth Paltrow, isn't her godfather Tying the rubber tires to our feet to run around in? Yeah, you bust your ass and then you get luck all the time. It's weird. Not really.

1:58:32 But it's also, it's just not that difficult to just pretend. We're going to fight again in a couple of months. The person that's on camera is special because that would be like the leader of the tribe They pretended to be a killer. He was like six years old. He was fucking incredible that job that guy in the sixth But we also created a lot of the dialogue.

2:00:55 writing staff as well. my stumbling into a sitcom, that just opened up from that. take any credit for that. But then from there, come easy. No. There's no one who Maybe you can do it once. They want, you know, one after another. Well, that's a, I mean, man, tip of the iceberg last night. Huge amount of work underneath. in that the creation of material

2:03:37 but the actual sitting down and crafting the bits and putting them in order and figuring out a way. It's the bridges between the stories that I was watching for last night. What you're doing when you're doing a stand-up performance is not just telling a bunch of jokes, okay, take me on this rod through your mind. There's nothing there. wiser? No. I'm not saying you're an educator, obviously, but I think that there's stuff that comes.

2:06:22 like people have been marginalized in the past, which is true. Warren Farrell? And by the way, incredibly ignorant to what this guy's actual words are. before. One of the things advocate. or a dodo I know I didn't even know what an MRA I mean I'm not a men's rights atrocious some of them in Canada are god-awful yeah Dave Foley, for the longest time, I don't know if he's resolved it.

2:09:03 Yes. I don't care what anybody says. They were married for 12 years. He has to pay her for the rest of her life until she gets married. And on top of that, he had to pay for her lawyer Exactly. but that doesn't mean that men haven't been either. I mean, human beings deserve to be You're on team vagina, and everything that's on team penis can go fuck itself.

2:11:44 Socialism. The original quote was socialism with tits. Margaret Thatcher was like the first leader of a Western country. after the Bible, reshaped Western philosophy in many ways Now, if it's the pro-woman, then they so they get a pass when people go, you know, but you then say something bad about a woman on the left. And a lot of these This idea that somehow or another

2:14:14 With no evidence other than a person who doesn't want to reveal their name. He is being sued. But it does mean that if you look in the context of the way it was explained in this guy's blog that the man and a woman who are both adults were drinking together, who believes in in the power of being a woman could think that a woman is so much weaker than

2:16:17 but you were responsible for drinking and getting in the car. Yeah, the Bundy. We're all just idiots and sex craze and irresponsible and stupid. and have completely begun to ignore all the brilliance that men bring to the world, a gender on that side and completely ignoring all of the incredible stuff that brilliant It's also a very unfortunate situation in regards to feminism that a lot of people are

2:19:01 And the stereotype of feminism, unfortunately unfortunately is like there's a meme is going to deal with attracted to her, I mean, somebody who's 300 pounds is for most people going to be sexually unattractive, housing ghettos, right? Right. And so I think what happens is a lot of these women have grown up And the kind of men that they see floating through their mom's beds tend to be kind of

2:21:36 Feminists are unattractive or all feminists or you know not not not sexually viable so often and i get that there's a blowback i do get that i get that they've experienced a great guy, Bill Gairdner, But the whole point of a revolution Because there has been a sort of women and children first And people are like, you know, supporting, like, I'm not going to support the abolitionist cause because slavery's ended.

2:24:29 continuing these grievances and by finding the Trayvon Martin situation and blowing it up into The point of revolution is a resolution. and the ability to that's like me and then if she can prove that he did that, then he's a rapist because he tricked her with his words. I mean, feminists, true feminists should be horrified by that. And the problem with false rape accusations is that very few women face repercussions

2:26:52 him raping her, and her family received a million dollars, someone recognized they had been drugged. It's very common. it's kind of a permanent it's horrible but so is lying about it that's horrible And there have been men that wear shoes I'm like, bitch, you ain't reading that. He goes, it's true. This woman came over and she's like, I call bullshit on it.

2:29:42 That's hilarious. You want to really live your life optimally. If you have all sorts of flaws that you don't fix and you don't like various aspects of yourself that you don't correct, up and you can fix that on their problems focus on their problems rather than dealing with them. And you constantly give them advice. Yes. and objective about your own path in life and enjoying your own path in

2:32:14 It's not. They throw things out. about the kind of car he drives. Like why do you let him have that car? She chose everything that he did. which they clearly were in this big, giant house. show with him, which is really enjoyable. You better shut the fuck up. They compete against the best cars in the world. doing is saying something that goes along with your ideology. You would like it to be

2:35:55 Still does. Isn't that what the leaders have been doing? He's sort of a frustrated musician and a day trader. I just can't do it as well as the capitalist. comes out of my mouth is essentially just some things that I've read. Yeah. But those are sort of... I mean, that's such common I think we all together can work things out it's a very dangerous position.

2:38:34 what people should do to make themselves happy and it does because you're I don't know. I just do. I like it. I understand that it's, it's a controlled violence. I understand Oh, discipline is a highly underrated virtue. How is that like, how is that even on your list of possibilities? The other day, I was like, like most people, like, oh, I'm kind of tired.

2:40:48 I think we used to have a lot more of it when we were really confronted with nature a lot more. called the marshmallow study. They take four-year-olds and they sit them down and they And they, they track these kids through life. I mean, it's important. But you just don't do it. I like being around people that work hard. do you have a sort of an idea of where you want to go? Five years, you know, 10 years

2:43:38 I would continue to do the commentary for the fights. have inspired me by enjoying their lives. I enjoy. You have to. In jujitsu, you don't maintain, you get better. In comedy, you don't I mean, you can teach and you have a certain amount of, like, there's certain moves that I can teach someone in jiu-jitsu. You know, it's a constant series of levels and

2:46:22 Terence McKenna, he wasenna things alive his brother on he I enjoy doing it. just going to talk. It's hard. It's fantastic. But this is just a little piece of electronics. And it's plugged into the wall, and that's it. I feel like a little rusty. And so I used to go see a lot of comedy. Yeah. I love most about stand-up, or something spontaneous And every time you see them, they're laughing at it the same way.

2:49:31 I think people don't see the kind of energy that a really energized stand-up comedian has. inspiring. It reminds you that you can be energetic, that you can be powerful, that But if you're going for laughter, I mean, it's there. make that laugh. The laugh has to come honestly. If you bomb, selling your CDs at the street corner as a vulnerability. to work. I stay around after the show and take

2:51:31 important. It reinforces the relationship I get yeah well right now I'm working on a lot of new material so right now Yeah. I mean I can just go and do a show. I have enough material, I can just go and do a show right now. and so many paths that have to... And then there's also experiments. I have to figure out what's the right path. Like Well, that's how you want to end it.

2:53:46 Do you have a positive outlook for humans, for culture? After so many words and the most important question, I'll give you one more. for the ride like, you know, egrets on the back of a hippo. I don't believe that. I they're the ones you know, If you look at the Soviets, the Russian Revolution in 1917, and then most people will simply go one way or another based upon the willpower of the individuals that they listen to

2:56:26 person. Like, if you choose a contract, then you're bound by that contract. You know, because all the great stuff that we have Musket balls through the head. And it really is about, I just can't let the assholes take over. I don't want to be a politician. you know I've got a great life and so I really don't want to boss everyone else I mean, we have this. It's win-win. We have a great conversation. The world hopefully

2:59:14 JoeRogan.net. Well, you know, I think you have a great business sense Actually, well, I mean mean it's not for sale it's called Truth well let me know when it comes out Thank you.