Joe Rogan Experience #399 — Buck Angel Transcript

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0:00 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! Yeah, there's a lot of sponsorship. Too much, probably. Yeah, it's all good stuff. That's the point. Well, hey, man, thanks for doing this. You do. I you coming by. No, it's really cool for you to have me on. You know that. Is it? You know how cool it is. I try not to. That's a weird thing with humans. So you ignore that primary terror with a series of other terrors,

2:18 Right. You know, there's fucking 7 billion people on this planet and we're just inundated with horror stories. the most horrifying if it bleeds be the number one news. Well, I think it's terrified of anything that can hurt you. and then all of a sudden you're like, ah! Yeah. Yeah. And what did you see that was not going to be positive for me. That was scary to me and I'm not a pornographer. Yeah, did you freak out when Max Hardcore got arrested and went to jail? That was scary to me, and I'm not a pornographer.

4:49 It's like, it was so, it's so gone that I don't like it. I don't like to judge. Loves it. There's people that actually enjoy it. Clearly it is. Exactly. The great answer of the fear the fear at the great end of the abyss and if you don't do what we're gonna do They're there. They're there while they promote it. I have theories. My big one is convincing and we understand like when words come across well so because you can tell me a true

8:30 saying. So I'm reading and you can tell me stories about your past. You can express to me how you just it's just a power thing it just becomes a power thing it becomes the It was empty. I was six. This isn't real. she knew you wanted to get out of there so she would torch you and tell you All the things that are positive about it. or someone who could read Greek.

11:54 Right. control who had access to that information. Because if you had access to that information, Yep. It's just because most of the world hasn't caught I hope so. not a person, not a thing, but is there an energy? So they made it a different thing than really what it is. I'm starting my, Scientology. But if it wasn't for that religion, Like out of control.

14:40 I don't think that they were like freaking out on each other We should do it now. It's some insane amount of people. all the prisoners that were helping them the Mayans were that hardcore. where you go to the temple And then everything just fucking crumbles apart as you get several generations in. It's sort of like kids that are born rich. I'm sure.

17:07 Wow. Wow. They actually wanted to separate from Mexico at one time and become their own country, but Mexico said, don't even try it. It's like we have no violence or anything. Exactly. And they're smart. When was it legal? Whether you argue pro or con, the important thing is to never resolve it. slams the paper down it was like, Like, how does that even affect you?

19:58 and then it just becomes Yeah, otherwise it doesn't make any sense. I used to work out at Gold's Gym I get in there. A lot of gyms are like that, though, in their own kind of way. you could keep a secret. Straight. Whatever, whatever. Yeah, dudes are creepers. It's totally testosterone. There's these sick gay people, and then there's these straight people that are just living

22:41 I mean, not saying that, you know, a lot of the shit of the Romans and the Spartans, That's all it's based on. It's being scared. Or no, I'm not gay because he has a pussy. It's a guy statement. But it was the male feminist guide to dating a woman. Just, and not even real. It was so specific as to how you should deal with each and every situation. Because he probably has some dominant female voice in his life that he's trying to placate.

25:32 and I check it with double sensitivity. You crazy assholes. Well, that's the internet, What's that like? Very strange. And we were at a restaurant once in Austin, Texas. So she was telling us what kind of clients she has without revealing their names, of course. I'm only to everything else. Oh, completely. Wow. There's yin and yang. You want to just go have a spanking after that.

27:59 And that's just entertainment. Yeah, I think so. Furious exercise. It's the only thing that gets it out of me it has to be like energy focused on that. then I don't ever calm down. from jaguars by predators It's not. that men with larger testicles make shittier fathers. And the more promiscuous the women, the larger the testicles the men in the community will have.

30:35 You want to be a calm thing. And that's all the testosterone. Where people use that Roy rage thing, which is all complete total bullshit. If you're around men who want to be great big bodybuilders, there's only one way to do that. It's the dirty obvious secret of bodybuilding. Right. Like, it's not possible to get there without drugs. I mean, you know, they probably do.

33:24 to space and distances. A lot of pool are on weed. Smoking, yeah. Because smoking weed makes you sensitive to space While they're playing? If you were a giant black dude you try to understand it, but you never, it's like, Horrifying. I really, most, I mean, I can just tell you most of my life I felt that way. i started growing breasts and then i started you know getting my period that's when everything

35:52 your your penis makes you a man and your vagina makes you a woman that's just black and white for yeah no you're basically a man thank you i appreciate that no problem I think we're going to be able to manipulate our genes to look like Dr. Manhattan or something like that. And that's exactly what it's going to be like, whether it's 150 years from now or whatever.

37:36 Right. friend who's a they so every time I see her she used to be a her but now she's a they she always So. They just need too much work. And they. encompass your gender, so it's more I'm even getting all, like, I'm getting, right? at this point. That's admirable about a man is a man who doesn't worry and I talk about my childhood and my life. I'm a very confident, very sure-of-myself man. But to go there sometimes because and that doesn't make me feel any less of a man i'm a very very confident very sure of myself man but to be vulnerable sometimes lets people

41:12 If you're crying for no fucking reason. Or talking about your childhood There's a lot of that though Like dude I cry easy, man. No, I see that. then when you really are in danger, you're not going to know what the fuck to do. But men are taught that. that are just bitches. Yeah, it is really common. If you didn't know that guy, you'd think that guy's a fucking idiot.

43:46 that it was possible to know that he started becoming a man. There's no skill of how to raise my child or how to teach. man, you follow someone who was a man and you wanted to be a man. Well, sure. Of course it does. I mean, that's exactly what we're saying. If you want to be a man, you follow someone who is a man, Other of us, some of us start out at plus 100,

45:19 Right. The reason why people are so mad at that is because they knew They were sitting out there on the porch. It's almost like you have to have a shit childhood to become an interesting person. That was later in my mid-20s. And I'm becoming a girl. I started smoking weed. that like I don't drink but for me it's just that I don't drink yeah not that

48:24 you feel like a girl or it's a weird you feel like a boy. So we as a society reinforce those know I could do that. I had my change over 21 I mean, it didn't even exist. It was life or death for me or I'm done and then people would But, you know, like, that was my life. Never women. That's insane. faced it that often. So you went to a doctor and you had this idea in your head, like, look, there's got to be a way yeah totally i had seen a documentary with a woman who changed to a man it was from europe or something and i'm like how come nobody

51:42 So how do you find, like if someone doesn't gender identify with being a male and they're, you know, what do you do? And he saved my life, and he's like, Was it you? And how does he handle it? think so yeah and then we just six months later he's like I want to teach Do you get testosterone in Mexico? You can get whatever you want. That's kind of cool.

53:53 But now you just call a pharmacy, and then they deliver it to your house for free. It's not that I feel. And I found a doctor who never worked with a guy like me and he did it. But if he was still a woman before the sex change, then it would be a real issue. Yeah. So on my message board, I have a message board filled with freaks and savages. You know, there's new thing that exists that didn't exist when Father Knows Best was on

55:58 The size of the canvas of reality is so much larger. Yeah. It's like, whoa. Fucked you up. What are you? What exactly is threatening you? Do they exist because you're threatened by it? Right. What exactly is the issue? Yeah. What is pissing people off? Can you imagine? I mean, I didn't want to be like that bitch, right? the whole time I was there that's the broad spectrum

59:00 and much more supportive Clearly, it has to be. Yes, for sure. There's nothing wrong with them. because of the internet. and continue to make it very negative on the internet. Because really, all it is is unhappy people. They're sitting at home. That means you get along with. You are, but so the fact they're able to do it over the internet. and it doesn't bother you, you're a broken person.

1:02:05 The lack of, but I think that this is temporary. I agree. And when I come to explain to you the situation, I have to understand that you don't get it and you already have a preconceived notion about it and you're already judging me and that's okay. That's the most important thing. I completely understand that. I mean, Jesus Christ. how you're going to interact with the other humans.

1:05:01 You've got to understand insecurity. Because really I think people want to learn to be like that. self-help books or people who teach those way of thinking are so huge because really, And then all of a sudden they're like, oh, yeah. think and then those people go to other people yes and then they say the same thing so you're Completely. Right. It's just this is my perspective and this is your perspective and when people start approaching things like that

1:08:12 Because I did, I'll be honest, I did take it personally at one time. I always say that people like that are like snake venom. It's really just like that. I respect your opinion, and you respect my opinion. he's doing Kanye West a favor. So I'm not talking about that And they're also taking this weird moral high ground when they do that. It works. It's shocking.

1:10:46 And what was the position? It's very ambiguous. somehow or another like corroborating the the story of the other person that They use it to, Yeah, I'm gonna, and I don't really well the including women Men are happy to get raped in that situation. Unconscious, that's rape. I just want everybody to know that. Fucking assholes. I think he's a creeper

1:13:57 You don't know how much of what they're saying. Oh, totally blown out. It's so gross and so transparent Yes, he is. So wait, so he outed the guy who raped the girl? But the black and white scale of that is so ridiculous. And I'm not saying rape is okay. You have to be aware. However, I don't think that- It's totally unrelated. We don't know what happened.

1:17:08 warm glow of the adulation beard who apparently is a very brilliant man and a professor of biology. We lied, we lied, we lied. Purple shirt, yes. Another thing is, if you win the hand, We'll do the sex thing later. I'm telling you, like, That's an awkward person, tries to make a joke about having sex with a woman. And that's just really inappropriate behavior.

1:20:00 It doesn't come from a place of love. Clearly an agenda. It's the same thing. He's a total piece of shit. But I'm a person first. But within my specific community. I'm not allowed to say certain words or react to certain things i'm not like what Right. Obviously, I want to. addressed this because he's a linguist. And he was talking about how they're sort of pretending, like a lot of radical progressives,

1:23:19 You don't even get it. I've heard that. So, I don't use it specifically. That's better. Biological. for you so I'm like that's cool go right ahead but that's not you know for me I What do you think about that situation? Well, okay. She's a woman. To me, she's a out of them. I get it. And then now that she wants to compete as a woman. Well, okay. It's not my thing.

1:25:38 also it's not me and also I'm not I'm not versed enough in that world of this I want you to see this because I think it is super important. If you step outside that door, I bet you can go. It is different. There's also a significant advantage in reaction speed that men enjoy. These are all completely unfair advantages that a man would have entering into female combat sports.

1:27:30 Not until it came out. telling me that she was getting attacked It's not black and white like anything we've been talking. Nothing is black and white. What I'm seeing is someone ragdoll people. Look at my hands. But it's still not exactly I think it's important there are variables though, and there's there's Serena Williams She doesn't have the testosterone in her body anymore.

1:30:23 And I think it needs to be, A, addressed before you ever fight, for sure. I'm a huge, huge advocate for disclosure. other person in that position. You know what I'm saying? Like you cannot put somebody in And would people, how did people find out? Well, some commissions will accept that. being a trans woman is a medical disclosure thing. No. It plays a big factor.

1:32:58 Yeah, read her statement. At first, he, you, out, he found that out. What he My next opponent is taller than me by about one and a half. Okay, so then she had me search I'm about to fight, in five seconds. is they will probably bring up safety. You weigh in. Right. a great percentage of bone density loss per se. really start to see significant changes

1:37:17 Her testosterone levels are more than likely in the normal female range, since her adrenals are the primary source for it now. Whatever. Well, they do. So there's also other things that she goes over, as someone who's supporting transgender I didn't disagree about the strength of her muscles. Yeah. Right. And there's probably girls that could beat her ass, no doubt.

1:39:37 Of course. And it has to be disclosed if people want to compete against you. She has a huge opportunity right now to actually open it up for lots more transgender fighters and figure out how we can change it. But that's awesome that you just said that. difference. It's a totally different sport. I get it. That's why I get so adamant about it. Yes. They're okay.

1:42:00 What I'm seeing is a huge strength advantage. I get that. It's all been people who are working in that industry. to always look at the facts. And if you have Right. In 77, she won the right to play as a woman I mean, it's really- It's how it works for us. One, the lack of disclosure initially. Right, sure. Right. It has nothing to do with heart and love and there's nothing to do with being nice to people there's

1:45:52 Using real women freaks people out, just to let you know. you could kill somebody. Is it possible? I don't know. Does the It doesn't matter because you're weighing in. Anyone's gender identity is yeah, and I make no judgments on that if it had nothing do with sport, and especially my sport of martial arts, where I'm an expert. Even if they're really high level.

1:47:34 Right. Yes. with shit like that. But I can't support But... But I've spoke to several in private who don't even want to discuss it, who are with a chain of expletives, fuck that. But if she was cisgendered, would it be? His hands are like canned hams. Those are the things that don't change. From a woman to a man, You're not, actually. I'm not racist, I'm not homophobic,

1:50:13 And she was like, Jesus Christ, I'm getting manhandled here. Right. She is. And then we have to figure out how that's going to play into the situation. That's a great idea. Yes, exactly. There's not real science. change your DNA. my shoulders were like this. I had no neck, dude. I was like, Oh, and I was like, I'm over this I was 110. I was one of those crazy gym people.

1:53:24 Now I weigh about 160. You feel like that's like... Oh, I'm at my's pretty gross. That's a lot of meat you put on you. What do you weigh now? Now I weigh about 160. Even. You were doing a lot of power lifting. Yeah. Right. I think they're awesome. Oh, no, they're totally insane, dude. Chill out. It's the WOD. I gotta get it done. powerful chicks with chalk on their hands.

1:55:14 CrossFit porn. I'm like, those squats are really good for sex, actually. And if I knew her only as a trans woman, we would be friendly as all fuck. Well, now that- the biggest fuck-ups, to sort of give you that. It's people who understand. That used to be a guy. It should really be examined. a cis woman and you have no problem with it. If you want to do it, as long as you know.

1:58:27 Like on that side only? And I know girls that are pro MMA fighters to this day Yeah. you might be different, but you're not different It's like inside chatter. Totally. Fuck yeah, it will. But you know, like I said, people like you putting me on their show. I I get it. But that's my point. That's important There's personal strength in being open and not being insecure about that.

2:01:50 I know. and I appreciate that opinion Not one person involved deeply There's critical advantages. Yeah. I love her. in the history of bitches. kick her ass right now. And I would have to actually see Fallon hit a bag and see what she can actually do right now in person. Give me a couple of years. Look at that body If that arm got around your neck If she clamped down on you, it's probably like dogs.

2:04:57 In order to make sure. It doesn't even look real. Wow. Wow, where did you get that picture from? What the fuck is that ass? Fucking ass. My God. That is an athlete. That's like an ultra athlete. Woo! It's a Photoshop. But I've seen enough that I think it is what her ass really looks like. Woo! That's just smiling with sunglasses on. That's on the beach. That shit's real. And that's not even like in the middle of training. No. It's not. It's just smiling with sunglasses on.

2:06:25 Oh, completely. Everyone's body would look like 300. a cisgender woman and all of the things Why Molly Ringwald? She's got shin bruises and hangnails that are swollen. She turns pink. And that has nothing to do with steroids. Right. I don't want to mention any names, but I'll mention the positive side. that he just crushed this guy. Because if a guy is not just physical, not just has the physical ability, but also puts

2:09:36 you just got some old school slow poke DNA look at Jacare in both sexes, Yeah. Just springs on dudes. If a guy can't defend himself, is not defending himself, Did someone ever die in there? Look at that muscle. And one of the best advantages is you dehydrate yourself. died this is the first he cut because he cut too much weight this is the first It's all in the divisions where people had to cut weight.

2:13:14 You know why? There's two different fights. by the time they get on the body billers do the same thing right I have to like The one thing that they've done is they've moved the weight. if you said you don't have to weigh in at 155, you can be as He will put most of it back on by the time. And he weighs in at 155. No one cuts weight better than that guy.

2:15:38 Other guys can't do it. How do they get the weight off? Some guys still do it that way, but that's actually dangerous. step on the scale, they weigh in at whatever it is. And then they slowly rehydrate first of all much quicker. He just looks of that motherfucker. But it's a dangerous game. Wow. to 24 hours before. the day of. in boxing and wrestling and as soon as MMA had weight classes, people And weight cutting has existed forever in boxing and wrestling. And,

2:18:52 It's all about that. them do MRIs, a full blood scan. They make sure that these people that go in there are and the worry is that this extra beat can overcome him by these athletic commissions and the doctors Also, he underwent, and I hate his entire life since then. I really believe that it happens. Well, I've done the strongest version of it, That's ridiculous.

2:21:10 It's the whole universe. Wow. So what they've done with ayahuasca is it's a combinatory drug where they've taken the root of one plant and the leaves of the other. and the DMT goes right into the bloodstream. The idea of the spirit world sounds like what am i doing like what's the necessary evil here? But I think what I got out of it from speaking to him was that he now that he understands that this whole world

2:24:05 I mean, it's possible you created all yourself inside your imagination as well. That's why people aren't open to it. But the imagination is also what All those things combined created a car that gets you to Vegas in four hours. Imagination has reshaped the entire surface of the fucking planet like no other and it was time for him to go to a new path.

2:25:54 And he also realizes how much of the goals that he wanted to achieve Possibly, yeah. and encourage further progress. Fighting, yes, but I prefer the term struggle. And then my other question was going to be, why I think men and women always have problems with each other in relationships. problems could be solved in the world A lot. I dated this girl once, and she was so fucking dramatic.

2:29:10 And we broke up, and then I started dating this other girl who was really nice. Crazy wild bitch wanted to fuck like a dog. Totally. Yes. Happens all the time. girls and they don't want them to strip anymore. Yeah. Only girls in front of me. Yeah, only girls in front of me. It is, but The original origin of promiscuous doesn't mean like having sex with random people.

2:32:30 They didn't allow strangers in the camp. that fighter pilots and people in connection only with them, but they wanted other people So I just made that up that night. But they do that on a regular basis. It's telling you know something people don't they just think oh, that's why people want guys especially need to go out I can explain it. No, you can't be fucking other guys.

2:34:41 I know all the polyamory people who fuck each other. What if you watched? then when I told my lesbian community, Wait a minute. And I was like, dumped. But I think that there is this whole thing going on in the gay women's community where they feel sort of, I don't know. It totally is. Women are really much more, you know, passive and they're fine with that and they're fine

2:36:51 and not really making a big deal out of it. Well, men don't want to feel like a sex object. Yeah, the gay women are no problem at all. Well, listen, man, this was a great conversation. Yeah. And my interaction with you was very pleasant. All right. BuckAngel.com is a contact and all that shit. Squarespace.com. Go to Squarespace.com And support. I'm not smarter yet,

2:39:51 It will be our 400th episode, ladies and gentlemen. and I'm sure Brian's going to say something really stupid,