Joe Rogan Experience #402 — Bryan Callen Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. this is Fighter and the Kid. because I just basically do all my research He's a serious grappler. and Brendan defended every single one of them. I felt immediately bad about my genetic structure, really nasty Muay Thai fighter. Ain't too bad as a takedown artist either. Seven times went down. Well, not only that, that whole position changes entirely.

3:10 changes 90% of the jiu-jitsu because that's when you're hanging you in the Well, look what happened. It's still relevant. There's openings just like a right hook is relevant. The idea goes away. It's crazy. It's a wonderful move, man. Perfect old school Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. It's still relevant. It's still relevant. Well, you've got Jake Shields, Damian Maia, what you're calling that.

4:07 is that Jake looks unhealthy when he does it. But at 185, he beat some dangerous guys man he put he put robbie lawler I'm sure he wouldn't have made any either. grown leaps and bounds and he's he's he can keep the fight on his feet and a lot of people say that His area of improvement has all been his striking, The way he did it, it's just so relentless.

6:50 I'm obsessed with right now. But just by the way they behave and the way they work and stuff like that. You've got to be, you know. That's a mind blower. It's really terrifying when you're rolling with a guy who's really really fucking good It's a real... or if they've never done jiu jitsu Footwork here is that what he's able to do is he knows that if he, based on this pattern, he learned how, okay, you create this opening, then you step to the side and you do this.

10:40 hard to explain sparring, I think, to someone who's never sparred before. You have to be able to keep your shit about you while things are flying at your face. That happens in a panic mode. It was so crazy. And I couldn't see anything for like, you know, All you have to do is get in a ring, just they always make you feel so stupid. a doubt have vision that is off the charts. They're in the 0.1 percentile.

13:53 The human eye cannot register in time to actually see and hit the ball. basically when he lets go of the ball. They can chunk all that information quickly enough Now, these are the best pitchers, and they hit a much smaller ball at 95 miles an hour. They didn't have the strings. You are never going to be – you and I are never going to be sprinters.

15:44 We're European, dude. It's why we go to Montana. That's true, dude, because I'm a very classy guy. You were wearing cashmere. That's true, dude, because I'm a very classy guy. Wool's amazing. Yeah. You're outside frozen. And they also, in this book, they also talk about the Iditarod and different cultures of how, like, when you're closer to the equator, you want longer limbs.

17:15 Don't they run down animals until they die? Ah, shit. How the fuck could a person have more endurance than a horse? And a pack, saddle, How could it be better than a horse? They never run long distances ever. You know why you can never domesticate a zebra? Why? a good time. Oh, my God. So, it bites you, clamps Okay? That's got to be the worst life ever.

20:03 Because you got high before the show. No, I just love venison. I went to Springfield. four-year-old losing a four-year-old, 11-year-old. We can't imagine it. That was the norm back then, launch in the U.S. What? Yeah. Pull that up on my, uh, pulled it up on my, it's on my Twitter feed. Oh, my God. Let me see. Let's hear this. Now, a device 20 years in the making that will soon be commercially available in the U.S. is helping patients like Lloyd.

23:33 It converts that video into a 60 pixel image that then delivers electronic impulses to Some patients report that they can see the outline of... because she had her eyes fixed? body you could be able you could do whatever the fuck you want. Check this out. 6.5 pounds more maybe. The structure of your skeleton is a little bit like inches, like inches, like say three

26:01 is only 6.5 pounds heavier i would have guessed nfl lineman yeah i would have guessed like much much heavier no the rest is bones and and the Well, body weight is a fascinating thing to me because I watch how these guys cut weight for fighting. to your optimum weight, like which he really had a hard time catching up. it's a nasty tie clench. And a big part of that was Anderson controlling him in the tie clinch.

28:00 How tall is Anderson, would you say, really? You know, even if it's a two-inch thing, that two inches is a million miles. he's going to fuck you up you watch his fight nope, really good fucking wrestler he He's got real skills. he launched that dude. Man, that last fight was incredible. Well, certainly it was shocking, right? fight because... Andre Guzmão.

30:23 really weird. That was 2008. I've never seen anybody get that close to him Yeah. There's an inside the UFC thing they're doing about Gustafson when they showed him training uh up for the fight and the the attitude that this guy has this guy's like he's straight like, after his fight. of a trilogy that, you know, Glover is very, very, very, very high level.

32:41 But the reality is he's surrounded by a bunch of murderers But when you look at he's even better now made him take it I was rooting for Diaz because I love Diaz. He's like a bonafide New Mexican cowboy. He's very tall. or where everybody relaxes the aggression a little bit, He could do 30 minutes of MMA. If you're fighting a 15-round fight, good luck.

35:36 been a wrestler six minutes is is an eon nine minutes in college freestyle is a nightmare So like when, you know, there's a really funny Bill Burr bit where Bill Burr went on I love Bill. Well, it's, his take on it is so dead on. guys get off the bus in the middle of the night blood. Yeah, that's exactly right. to be, you know, at a certain point in time.

37:56 And the argument against it, or the personal freedom argument, I don't think really works It's actually been argued that was saying um that it actually might be safer to do it on the drugs than to do it off because it's It's gone tomorrow. I never forgot one time I was thinking about this girl. And I was wearing these pants. And he was just so into me.

40:24 Like, that's a person. The rest of it is a complicated human being. I mean, it all, the whole human spectrum exists within whatever you are. as was everyone I was friends with. You have the greatest metaphor I've ever heard in my life. was a bit that would work really well Because I wasn't even laughing most of the time. I was just watching Which I'm shooting in January, I think.

42:58 Yeah. of the room is something No, but the people are great Good luck. but you live down the street. internet that's exactly right it's like a giant facebook yes everybody's banging everybody small town and everybody knowing everybody. They're in these small groups. Really? you know what i'm talking about that's that feeling that's that feeling is that you would

46:01 Sex with you, sex with her. I mean, they weren't just killing each other. like you're in a situation like a fighter pilot is or like a person who's perhaps going off to war what they call a CAG, a combat action group. like gays in the military. you guys are literally spotting This is the gayest community and Achilles. go, dude, you smell like such a man.

48:45 is the only thing. Squirrels are actually delicious. I don't know. And they're kissing each other. Well, the idea would be that they would fight harder for their lover. But that was his lover. Well, they don't have anything about that, but they do know that he was so strong. That sounds like a crock of shit. That kind of build? He looked like death.

51:26 You see him at 185. So he must have just dropped his body weight. And there's only one way to get rid of that extra muscle. And are you still doing whatever you were doing to get that big? that there have been people God. He might be 5'7". There's videos of him rolling with guys that are really high-level guys. Yeah, scary. Mayhem. No. and he said the guy's

54:54 Yeah, that was weird. If you're just sweaty, just jumped on him. That's him getting Ivan Salivary. about Pajara. He's not just but then he's fighting that dude Mike Pierce up against the cage, like dropping Yeah. Because if you lose that much weight, But he's very knowledgeable, and very knowledgeable about cutting weight. The guys who he's trained with that have listened to him and have cut weight because of his

57:12 There he is. That's Mike Dolce. The problem is, this is a bunch of problems, So what you could do is you could start it out. where they wake you up at eight o'clock in the morning and test you. Yeah. So the problem is, Depends on whether or not you're going to get tested. And you're using that extra testosterone, that extra human level of testosterone as a performance

1:00:39 now, as we learn more and more that, that winners have to have a certain hardware, and then the software is training and stuff. Unless the Ferrari breaks down. Really? Yes. Yes. You could hang telephone. Just be wrecking it, dude. Record. Look at how high he jumps, right? Show that again. Look at that. Yeah. He was just jumping. And he goes, wait, he's jumping 6'8", never jumped.

1:03:41 I see what you're doing. of practice, He's like, whatever. Eight months. Actually, plateaued. Never been done, eight months. One of the really gigantic ones is punching power. He was a volume combination, very technical fighter. Like a Bisbee or something. that sort of Tommy Hearns power. with one punch and what Tommy Hearns could do with one He's an animal, man.

1:06:16 He would just get on top of dudes. in the face. He would just wear on motherfuckers. Tiny guy too, right? He doesn't have a very Mike Tyson could murder people. ruthless. He could just smash ridiculous. The fights that I would have I would take the Tyson package, please. Don't get crazy. It would have certainly been much more competitive. of great fighters,

1:08:33 sparring partner. Larry Holmes, in history, And meanwhile, he knew Ali so well, they'd been sparring partners. Look at how fast Tyson was. Well, also left Rooney. And that's where he went from being It was brilliant. In this fight, he fought like a fucking king. this off watch this shit look at this jabbing just tagging him tagging him look at that look

1:11:57 it's one of the great performances, man. That was a beautiful combination. Maybe the Tyson fight was just such a high watermark that he was done. I think it was in the 10th. that so well. He'd been knocked down, I think, in have then and that was when he was starting to get called the scariest all-time tyson was the I mean, he's so nervous. Yeah, this was before he fought for the title.

1:14:28 They're like twins. He's not that slight. Look at this Fra on Marvis Fraser's face. How long did Marvis Fraser box? Poor or wealthy. Yeah, but could you imagine the horror of being a guy like Frazier and seeing your son just get destroyed? part of the genius of Tyson that a lot of people don't notice. When a lot of people watch guys Yeah. He was a perfect executioner.

1:17:31 Mike Tyson was the scariest Most definitely. What do you think of the three champions? boxer of all time. Really? Mike Tyson? that's ever existed. Because as a person who's had some competition in my life, Crushes everybody. Really? Razor Ruddock was a giant man. Tommy Morrison TKO'd him. A little bit. Jack Dempsey was the champ, and put him in with Mike Tyson, just bring Mike Tyson.

1:20:26 But Ernie Shavers was a far, is built different, Ernie Shavers is one. to be loved needed and perfect athleticism, ridiculous genetics, No, no, no, no, no. about Mike Tyson and Teddy was working after he's like partied too hard he'd already already lost 300 million dollars there was already too much about and the psychology of combat sports. And then right after his master dies,

1:24:09 I didn't see it. Oh, really? Wow. the real thing nobody would have thing that we just watched what's amazing about it is not just No, he was at the UFC. You know what I mean? That was so weird, man. He's a very nice guy. and uh he's like oh oh, hey, Joe. Fry's, if you've never been there, is like fucking geek heaven. fuck you were talking about. And you bought

1:27:46 Well, I was online because of my friend Robbie Prince. yeah you're like it's gonna be a little expensive we should buy I was like okay yeah what do I get and I have these conversations with these fucking award-winning historians like Charles Mann who just I just did a podcast this guy wrote 1491 1493 sort of the world before Columbus The Italians didn't grow tomatoes

1:30:00 to humans. That's how they think a lot of these communities, these vast communities of Indians. So, you know, you hear about this stuff, estimates by historians now and archaeologists paleontologists so the Well, you know what? Yes. We also know they were very warlike with each other, by the way. One of the great turning points in history was the abolitionist, the worldwide abolitionist

1:32:47 heart of Christianity when it fell in the 1400s. Those that weren't put to the sword, When you were talking about Lincoln's kids dying, Any scratch you get potatoes kept europeans alive for because you could grow them on the ground they're not as Well, nutrition is such an underrated aspect of why people succeed and why they fail. Do you know that they're trying to give people hookworm to cure asthma?

1:35:11 inject hookworm into and then swallowed a pill, a little tiny pill camera to find the action in his gut. Wow. That's awesome. cures asthma, unfortunately. landscape of the South and changed their entire If you're not going to be able to take care of the pathogens, the diseases and stuff, sensory deprivation tank is like sleeping the best eight hours of your life. God, I've got to get one.

1:37:52 The place to go, though, You should be doing that all the time, dude. When I get away from it and I don't do it for a while, Altered States. yes it's William Hurt it's terrifying This is him. And he also invented the sensory deprivation tank. That was the big thing with him. You're actually getting a database of experiences. so many people have extremely

1:41:31 it's not this overwhelming rush of mandalas walls and they're they're paying attention to you but it's like you're in this freaky psychedelic And he's like, bam. So Lilly banged himself with the ketamine, gets in the tank next to him. they were going to call it telepathy because when they took it together, they encountered this Because in reality, that's all your brain does all day. It reacts to stimuli, reacts to love, reacts to hate, reacts to stress, cortisol levels, adrenaline.

1:44:36 you have these weird interdimensional hallucinations who was kind of telling me to tell the truth, you know, what wasn't whipping me, but it been influenced. You're very different than when you were, when I first met you, you're very of ways, and I did to an extent, but I always say to young people, it's normal when you're young you're not going to fool me.

1:47:29 And it's always changing. It's one of the things that is fun. You and I go do the road. is sort of eliminate that from our entire group of people. Like we have an amazing group of people, You know, there's so many good guys now. These guys are constantly working and growing. It's not true at all. Jealousy, in fact, is a false emotion. It's a good thing.

1:50:03 who cares? It has nothing to do with you. Who cares? I want to see what I'm capable of. And I was like, this is weird. It's so crazy. and things start to gel. Go to briankelland.com, and you'll see my schedule. That's one of the things about doing clubs as opposed to doing theaters. Yeah, because you've got to be really, especially They start becoming one show.

1:52:38 Brennan Shaw will take Let's end this. and I guarantee you and had a fucking go. Why did we wait this long? Then we eat duck O-N-N-I-T. Later.