Joe Rogan Experience #412 — Maynard James Keenan Transcript

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0:00 Good googly moogly, ladies and gentlemen. Let's get right to it, Joe. It's really interesting and mix the two of them together. she'll just go off on a tangent and I'll just film it, you know, and we just kind of go with it. really confined to you know i love slayer but slayer slayer right yeah they're not going to It's really funny shit, man. the documentary if you want to, but it was important

3:01 the live shows, do you play the documentary first? Have you seen the, there's been a lot of camera trap photos of jaguars. but I haven't actually seen the jaguars coming up. Yeah, I just wrapped up Of you just not fitting in a box I suppose you can go to college to get all the nuances and be taught how to make wine with fear in mind. And if I have a question that I think that they've seen the answer to or seen that challenge or seen that hurdle,

6:05 Parts of Spain, maybe. So what do you do? Wow. Even as a grape. I mean, I suppose Sammy Hagar has a tequila, right? I'm in the cellar. There's nobody in the cellar but me. How do you piece together a team? even if they're not even naturally. Is it still challenging for you? Do you still enjoy it? basically. Wow. And now how many months out of the year does it take to do that? And then the

10:37 Yeah. spout wasn't shut there's like Pinot Gris pouring onto the ground like fuck Your back doesn't get, you know, doesn't get stronger from the journey. Every one of them is just like wrecking your body like, oh, and skidding in the home plate. If the guys were ready with the tool, I would work with them. Yeah, that was the fun part this year. We can do a vocal, but then I've got to press the Chardonnay.

13:50 and then it's probably, you know, it'll last a year or so. How many acres are you growing on? with even more established vineyards than we have in Arizona. is it just a matter of it growing or is it? Establishing. You want to make sure and it all undeniable fruit well yeah hang on to it but if it's not most guys are pulling it out starting over do you find that this whole process you know the whole process of creating this new

16:43 okay, I have to make a creative decision right here there's like a there's a challenge You know, there's little moments like that that happen and I would drink this wine and you know years later go oh wow that was pretty I think we're I mean, he's constantly on top of it. If you know somebody that owns a cool shop or has a nice tasting room, like Matthew over at Covell,

19:41 start to get figure out what you might like and then they're going to go okay try this or try this and then come back and tell me if you liked it or not Angel's Envy? In port barrels. There you are. I could totally see you becoming a chef. Got a couple things up my sleeve in Arizona. A lot of weirdos in Sedona. I have no answer for that. You got Millie's over on Sunset.

22:31 It's like that morning spot. You know? yeah a lot in that spot brunch someday Places like the Comedy Store or you ever eat at Dantana's? It's just one of those like super duper old school spots. That's cool. Yeah. Hook's a fucking tremendous steak, has amazing pasta. The waiters all wear tuxedos. Yeah. L.A. has so many of those really cool old school spots that have just been around for so long. So I think that's, and I think, you know, back to our Sedona conversation,

25:14 So I get to a certain spot, There's no people. There's no cell signal. There's nothing. It's just these crazy moon rock, you know, setting with these Joshua trees and cacti just as far as the eye can see. You know, I think it's called Goblin Canyon. Is it too late? Pull it up. Yeah, it it too late unfortunately And it was so fucking cool looking. Whoops.

27:57 These things. Muscles. Where it draws idiots. for the Blue Angels. Yeah, there's a lot of those fucking things there. energy to it, too. I'll try You don't realize how vulnerable you are until your car runs out of gas in the middle of the desert. and wound up getting disoriented and lost his water and died. Yeah, it was definitely not good. North America and and test himself or see find himself

31:55 Not only that, if you're going to do that, But they fucking know what they're doing, distance runner like a four mile runner and you know like a, you know, a semi-distance runner, like a four mile runner or, you know, like a 10K or whatever. to prepare to respect it. hearing that shit. It's not hearing that shit. There is, right? You got your 10% that are kicking ass.

34:41 where there's a large population is the 10% is a larger number. of that because a lot of people are inspired by But it wasn't because you were being honest. Create with every, oh, please. Motivated to put out art. art, motivated to test themselves creatively. That's like, you know, I see there's a restaurant in Arizona It's very inspiring. His wife's good, man.

38:25 Yes. What is it called? Part one that's kind of fun. Yes. but the show, I think it's closed. Made me want to expand my comedy routine. I mean, why not? It's got a story of murder He didn't differentiate He's a creeper. almost like a firefighter, kind of waiting for a fire. Okay, sounds like a good deal. because otherwise it seems like intangible. They're up and they can tell.

42:45 They come running straight field dress them properly, But they have to be, man. Yeah, it looks like a pig to me, too. There's got to be some place in L.A. that serves javelina. It's like that kind of game restaurant. Yeah, call them and say, listen, man. Probably not. You know who that guy is? Yeah, see the photo of these guys? But he's famous for sort of representing Arizona.

46:39 I could definitely beat her. I'm like, oh, this is hilarious. How is that? Brazilian jiu-jitsu, it used to be one point in time, You've got The Lab, which is where Benson Henderson comes from, John Crouch's place. Yep. On the road, it's harder. But you've been involved in one form or another at You can see this fucking ridiculous amount of blood they sucked out of my body.

50:00 half on and off and started to get like numbness in my hands and things along those So I just went in today. It's not a race car. cultivating good training partners is another one like there's a few guys at uh 10th planet sparring a little bit more so when they're competing when they're competing you know I get inspired by people who have a lot of discipline for jiu-jitsu.

53:30 like as in something visually beautiful and very very inspirational man i think and it's also of solve puzzles better. If you're just, if you're, if I notice, if I just, if I just need a break and That's one of those things that I just feel like it's the, that's the, that's the on the to-do list that I just keep being embarrassed about having to put it on the next to-do list.

55:04 on the road. That's a very Which is what I did last night. Well, you can do both. That's where Babooma. I watched the whole thing. Yeah, so bad. I watched the whole thing. The craziest thing is the first one was really good. I can't tell you how many times and they can get away Into the Darkness, just a series of things you just believe it like you know i i don't know if i used this example with you last time, but I just saw it again this season of Sons of Anarchy,

58:18 And it's like, not a her, it's Walton Goggins with fake boobs. So are the tits, are their implants or their hormones You sound like you've done a lot of research on this. were just using this this tranny to blackmail a dude and even in that scene uh the character tigs uh kim's like just was so distracted by what was like they were supposed to just be doing his job

1:00:12 Oh, wow. I need to start. if I find out there's an actor that I like in a thing, this particular actor is having some issues, Oh, that's funny. Yeah, and it's hard to want, you know, They're opiates. That's one of the most disturbing aspects of our society, the amount of pills that people consume. Yeah, that's when they first found out think they have a hard time finding something that they actually enjoy doing too well you're

1:03:56 Well, you know, he's way smarter than I am, so there's no—I don't have any worries about him finding his way. So I have a feeling that just having my son see what I did, see what my dad has done, again more potential more more possibilities more variables more things to think about it's like You were answering the questions, and you had to know know the material and you had to be on time.

1:06:53 We weren't going to work. so if we didn't snowblow Well, luckily, Yeah, because it's on Tell me, though, how awesome were snow days growing up? number. It was a number. And that's you really appreciate the sunny days with a different vigor. snowstorm and there's just But just that floating snow, big chunks coming down, it's almost like an incredible sound barrier.

1:09:38 And this giant park in the river was across the street from my house. drive in it. We get it every year, you know, a little bit, sometimes a lot more, but having Not because I'm like some kind of helping hand type guy. Right. remember people were so nice they were so humble it was a weird thing it was like it brought people The best way I could describe it is if it was a refrigerator box.

1:12:52 Oh, no kidding. Yeah, and there was that feeling about like Los Angeles then really interesting. I'm like, there's a real tangible positive impact that this tragedy has It's 82 degrees outside. I have no point. There's no seasons here, so you don't really get the chance to see that change. and pretend they're interesting. Right. Right. It's not like when people talk about the cool spots in this country.

1:16:21 I've never fucked with peyote. Not then. I'm pretty sure that's how you make it, right? that were easily five blocks away. No, he woke up trying to figure out whether or not it was a dream. knowledge and and then and tune into the love of the universe tune into the the frequency of Having absolute respect for it and understanding what you're getting into and

1:19:23 knows what the fuck they're doing. Right. just metaphorically you know just just just how you think about your Just lived in that world for too long? Yeah, prepare and don't do it all the time. have any contrast with anything just go do it get intense about it prepare for it before you go and then be and And then every time those things are accomplished,

1:22:56 or through documentaries or anything? and that eventually leads you to inspiration. There's a whole, there's very common angles and structure and commonality between across, these ideas are sort of cross-referencing with these other experiences that you've had in Fascinating shit. Pulling, you know, weaving threads together. Subsistence shows I'm absolutely fascinated with right. There's this one that I've been watching now. It's called

1:26:46 and they have children together. there's something about it that's so fucking terrifying to you that just that just shut me down yeah that sounds cold I mean, I guess people just adapt and get used to it. you know, no matter where we look. You know, no weather. Yeah. just to reset it'll just reset and you'll go back to having to figure out what to do

1:29:53 They weigh 50,000 pounds apiece. Right. how dependent we are on just everything digital and electrical. Yeah. Books would be like records Like have you seen these new Google Chromebooks? when I download stuff off iTunes, I'm just not willing to accept the idea that everything's in the cloud and that it's secure either. Yeah. No, what's that? Yeah, and it's all about him having been the engineer of this computer

1:33:22 yeah that fucking nutty dude That dude thought he was Jesus With all this NSA spying would rant and rave about to the reality of the day. Like everything you've ever emailed somebody actually is somewhere in a what do you not just their personal privacy, but the government being able to access their personal privacy and And I don't know. don't, Like this Edward Snowden thing, when it came they were they were trying to discredit him and they're like this high school

1:37:10 this dissolving of boundaries between people and ideas you have to wonder like oh so is that is that choice and the dominant you know I don't, you know, Try to be more like the paranoid, opposite, defensive, reasonably defensive person who wants to know what the fuck do you need to see in my emails? here's this thing that works collectively to make technology

1:39:31 these things is making every new step far more powerful than any step before what he thought would be a point of ultimate novelty but he thought it was going to be in some sort of a way that december 21, it might not have even been that exact day, It makes a person Like, you go to a show and you see, like, the dude up there dancing around at some point in their career whatever it is they're doing they all sudden kind of go

1:43:10 whether or not you can sing the words I'm like this has got to be one of the dumbest fucking ways to entertain people. I've ever seen in my life a stand-up comic or or or uh you know or a band playing on a stage or a person like getting up And then people start stumbling around and you know falling you know bumping into a wall like Yeah and there's some things that

1:45:42 and I play like at a just below Like if you were shooting, I was like, to the people in that world, it's idiotic. that positive reinforcement and that encouragement from that you know from that behavior uh then you follow it more because like you got some somehow some kind of accolades either what was happening. know at the same time I you know not other now that I've got sucked into the rabbit hole I

1:48:36 I did not do that. It's that seeking higher truth in whatever discipline it is, Me and the guys that I work with realizing how absurd some of the things are that we do anyway I loved and appreciated the fact that I could tell That while they're not doing anything, they sit down and have a glass of wine on stage and, you know, at the front of the stage with us.

1:50:41 And then they get back up and do it but they play, you know, four songs, Rather than doing your whole set and like, of start to finish, this is our set. Yeah. I love it. That's exactly it, man. You know, if you could find that, that's a, that's an Yeah. Yeah. hear like popcorn did you get an MRI or anything I just this happened four hours Dude, I hear you, man.

1:54:45 Kim Se. She? And Sean Barber. Memoir. Wow. What the fuck's your problem? all creating these weird pieces of art when they're not painting they're doing you know You always had the Japanese tattooing. So they did it. other stick taps over the top of it? I'm going to have them do a drag, It's a secret? And so you had that guy do that with that tapping style?

1:58:34 you can't show your tattoos. no it's bad that's the a good thing. That's bad. Yeah. It's funny. Yeah. I had to put like sweatpants on and a top to be in the gym. If you have tattoos on your neck, it's much more discriminatory than it is in America. taxi driver because he had to drive us from the venue all the way down to Tokyo and it's about Right.

2:00:55 They might have to bail. have i mean all it takes is the plates go this way instead of that way and then the water's coming The family's gone. And by the way, that ain't shit compared to some of the fucking tsunami's that they know have hit different parts of the world. and their houses are going to, for sure, go flying out into the ocean. But those things have massive landslides, too.

2:03:16 You hear it. That was me in the military. Army. Look at you. Discipline. recommend it today because joining today you have a high likelihood of either being forced to assassinate someone for the government know during that whole basic training what made you join college fund for art they said basically you have to forfeit your Army college fund to go to art school.

2:06:53 And I chose art school. come again yeah he was in the reserves and the reserves during the Iraq war Damn. I mean, it's a fascinating thing to watch. Thought he was going home. That must be something you think about often. have just done whatever I could do with it. The law enforcement friends I bet God bless them. And, you know, coming from that background of being, you know, supposedly like the liberal Democrat, it's pretty amazing.

2:10:36 history. I don't know who's right. Thank you for doing this, man. as well as the Perfect Circle box set. Beautiful. As well as the No, no, I know. That came out for the weekend. see what we get. come up with costumes that that halloween shirt and everything was just like on a quick trip to Big kiss.