Joe Rogan Experience #413 — Dan Carlin, Daniele Bolelli Transcript

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0:00 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! you are, without a doubt, the two men who have freaked me out the most. You with the end of Spartacus Rebellion where I mean, just the idea. 100 miles of crucified bodies. Every Jesus fucking Christ. Something like that. 100 miles of crucified bodies. cemented home. Your stories, some of the stories, especially one of the ones that I really enjoyed

1:56 Oh, a guy like that could arise today, too. to tell them, I got it under control. I'm the strong man in charge. I can take care of business. I think that being involved in a cult or, you know, any sort of crazy, wild, rebellious And you think to yourself, Hitler is a celebrity-type figure, It would be so overwhelming just the presence of that person.

4:37 guys do is they'll cover all kinds that was deplorable and all that stuff's like front row shit yeah yeah it's really really lefty Let me bring it back to that Munster podcast we talked about. When you have the media as diversified as it is now, But the bottom line is that guy became super famous because of this. And in the future, when they look back on today, and I think historically, he's getting swept under

8:08 and whether or not they think it's right or wrong, It's anti-American. High school dropout. It's ridiculous. Unions get it. they tend to push each other forward because there's no devil's advocate they're saying where you should say, hey, maybe this is okay, but that's not okay. you're going to have to send a physical agent out there to do that. Right, exactly.

11:38 He did have it. Yeah, there's a book called The 1% Doctrine where they talk about how after the 9-11 attacks, oh yeah, okay, whatever it takes it was early in the morning too? Because I'm thinking, I just said 2002 is exempt, because I don't think they ever That's also a good point. behavior and these people openly do it in order to help their candidates win.

14:22 can suck up Right. I want to go with what you said, the if you have nothing to hide, because I was just trying to get a show out before I came here and I failed miserably. sitting on the side of the road he's clenching his buttocks in a weird way i stuff right in front of him you care this guy had nothing to hide and that happened to him he clearly be

17:01 who's going to be stopped by the police and that's what they're into. There's nothing wrong search yours for 28. That should be taxpayers who are going to pay that. The people who did it don't suffer at all. Yeah, like someone For folks who don't know that story. So essentially it would be like every podcast, But he sent some, or the company had already won.

19:19 We're not going to get you. Well, that's ridiculous. The idea that you could control that. I could see it from their point of view, from strictly business for nothing. You're not contributing anything. As long as that's a possibility, how could you ever have anything stable ever when the entire foundation of your economy is by nature fluctuating daily?

21:22 And when those bursts are over, we have to literally shut it down. there'd be 10 bazillion trades in a second and a half. But if they went 24 hours, people would just take fucking Adderall and just hit it hard. But what do you do? That's when you're a real addict. Essentially, the stock market is a lot of gambling. it seems like a gamble to you we've profited X amount of years in a row.

23:55 That'll never happen again. You are in government first and the second you are done, you can pick up your vice president position in one of the companies that you just finished benefiting. people saying, well, we'll never have another Great Depression Because as a fool, I look at it and I go, look at this. When I look at something like that, I have to feel like, okay, these guys are obviously far smarter than I, and they're running the system. So either it's rigged as fuck and someone just extracted a shitload of money out of the system

26:34 wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. So no one knows and all the evidence shows you can't afford it, and I wouldn't have given it to you 20 years ago, And weren't there banks during this crisis that were actually banking on things falling apart? Right. How do they describe risk management diversification tool? That is goddamn hilarious. If anybody hears that, though, if I pretended that I actually came up with that on my own,

28:39 That's how we're fucking you. If you can't pay it, you'll be taken out of your house, and we'll win on this other all of a sudden, everything fell apart. Somebody loan modification, right? You don't need it. You're sending me, really? we got to the president of the company like, hey, man, can you do something? Holy shit. But he's like, look how much you're going to save over the next 30 years.

31:13 and either way, I'm covered. I love doing fights there. because they're losing money on that deal. If you don't knock him out He just doesn't have a yeah he's crazy he's crazy but he's a very wealthy man he was at uh the palms and he He won a lot. Like, They're like too much. like a management tool thing. Just get him out. And I know they use a gang of decks

34:24 He just knows how to play. You know, he'll tell you. He's not a fucking math say. He ain't counting cards. He's just getting lucky. He just knows how to play. Yeah. You could go to Vegas. Lost it in the first 24 hours in Vegas. I firmly believe that you should know that that's possible. We should all learn from that and go, hey, you know what? Yeah.

36:30 Abdullas Salamon. He just kept trying to get to that guy. And so they induced him in a medically induced coma. It's funny. of what's going on in there. Doesn't this go to what you were saying, though, about you kind of have a right? It's like It's a scary weight class. It doesn't have this overwhelming sense of fear that it has on a lot of people. physical violence is something that you're just

40:08 That's why the scariest kids to fight Like, and it was a part of normal everyday life, getting smacked around. so finally hit me does But in terms of shaking them or hurting them, it's not the same thing when you're used to it. I've seen it happen. It's like, do I really want to get into with this crazy and get scared and I kick your ass, or Hopefully so that we won't need it, though.

43:13 up. It doesn't want weak bitches out there spreading their seeds. but it gets really confused with encouraging weakness. giving up the good sides of the stereotype. You know, if the stereotype of the man was i'd said like doesn't promote femininity or doesn't or is anti-feminine, I'll give you the right to do anything you want to do, but you can't say I'm an ape

46:00 But the idea that someone who does That they can do that. But it was just, I was like, oh, come on. little bit like what you were saying about the about the fighting but but like with my kids I mean, the economy. Yeah. They are good qualities. and crash. show that, you know, poverty is going to come back to bite us all in the ass one day if we It's what you do with the people

50:18 You're always going to have conflict. The world's an unequal place. Like, Joey Diaz is my favorite example. I mean mean joey has willpower he gets up in the morning everything a standard position in in in the in the economy standard job whether it's the filter you towards And part of the reality is that not because the people who create schools are evil and

52:59 cool. It gives you those average qualities, but it says nothing about what you're going to do with an a because you're really fucking smart and i can see it no you really are not that good so sorry You know, there's that thing. but it's a different thing entirely to sit there and go we're gonna start in unless we all share those gifts because, you know,

55:46 when they're little this is back to your competition yeah yeah seriously i would have You play, you don't keep score. There are no losers. I don't think it's a negative thing at all. and the accomplishment of work sometimes, procrastination or what have you, Whether it's going on with you in your head, whether it's going on with the audience that's

58:06 You have no motivation to push harder because, look, I'm already doing great. You know, it's unfair. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. When you start making some of the laws bend to help and benefit your business. You want to talk about a must-see. What is that worth? Because look at the other side of this. really high watermark were we had lots of oil we didn't have to worry for all

1:01:09 Go to Joe Rogan or Dan Carlin, by the way. All those were exempt. that you can light on fire. gets mixed up with the chemicals, gets is when we have screwed up so much of the fresh water supply You know, at that amount, if you go to the store. Well, what happens when it really is worth more it's incredibly hard to watch and listen to It's crazy shit to watch.

1:04:30 And I think that is going to be a special interest along with all the other special interests in the world competing for influence. We're going to buy Senator Ron White was center on one is probably a real is that you're never offered the chance to buy a legislator it's a write off isn't it I'm going to buy a few legislators and get them in my corner,

1:06:25 of human beings that are donating money. They are going to make that amount of money 50 times over in the next year. yeah it's sort of like you have that money and you have to invest it in making sure they don't You can't clean it up. Neurological damage, all sorts of like, everyone's sick. What was that that you just put up that said gas lamp producers?

1:08:57 The gas lamp producer misled viewers on what does it say? no, you made it up. guarantee that these people have been poisoned. And that's a bit sad that we can't, as an entire population being poisoned, balance out the interests of those people You're not in the business of being mean. want to frack, but the shareholders will take me out if I don't. But that's the problem is,

1:11:09 research this now because a bunch of people on my message board are putting up all these said, I haven't read any of the debunking, Who the fuck cares? I always like, I was trying to explain anal sex to somebody and I was in a girl. When you hear about crazy And before you know it, they're having these freaky sex parties. The idea of what makes a human exceptional,

1:13:34 arguments when everyone would No, there's actually very little. brought up wisdom a while ago daniel wisdom is being able to look at things because to him, he wasn't going to sell them in five minutes. he's incentivize to do that I think it's going to take a greater level of awareness culturally than exists today. I think the great level of awareness,

1:16:26 the amount of really ridiculous behavior because of our actions I think someone down the road, when clean water, for example, is worth a bazillion dollars to haliburton and they buy the water you want human nature to improve the the way to keep your millions intact, as opposed to, you know, I don't think they can do it. They're controlling the ability for the populace to...

1:19:39 happen at a mass level when enough people with sort of a critical mass, that feeds into Dan's argument So companies that market themselves as we're nice to the environment can hike their prices a little bit because they know that they are going to have some people who buy them their products because of those values. It's still too muddy. And they're going to get to a point where you're not going to be able to hide a goddamn

1:21:33 And somebody else, based on that 15% or 20% that you're much of it that for every single thing you hear that seems to prove things going one way, you have people who seem pretty credible, who give you good evidence to argue the exact opposite things. was that quote from orson welles that history uh history is god damn it i forget the quote You need a quote board here up on the walls.

1:23:08 traitor you now see now don't you learn trust us next time and you won't have another one of these And then you don't account for the right. that were out in the forefront bringing groups of people into directions. So you put me up to president and it's all over. He's old school. Fuck heads. Really? about how fucked up things were Well, the fracking situation was better back then.

1:26:27 Because they had short-term interest at stake. We really didn't get that many of them. compensate for that. And believe you me, But I mean, back then, you're dealing with a whole society that was sort of structured on people that never got old enough or never had exposure to enough data to sort of go, The ugly side is insanely strong and in some way getting stronger.

1:28:23 You need something in order to motivate change. I still feel that there's a lot of it that's true. So the point to me is, how do you turn You know, how do you deal with the fact and you look at people who don't. are some forces at work that if you alone have to do it, it is an ant against a tank. For everything today Oh he's drunk How do you not tell them

1:31:01 That is actually very good. I shouldn't have my face and he probably tuned Why the fuck did you tell the truth? I'm not saying try a wad in the face. It's filled with little pellets. Isn't that hilarious? I just read headlines so you just have to ignore me on this exchanged a couple tweets and emails When you get to be a four-star general or what have you, you're fucking real good at killing people.

1:33:23 I looked at it, watched the video of the car slamming into the tree, that he's willing to go after generals, looked at the possibilities for what you can do with a remote controlled system in a car now, Which guy is this? gets to yours uh... danielle about about false information or money in the she's the one who said things like well there was no body in the coffin and

1:35:55 with coroners and that's just not kosher and that turned out to be not true and i don't think she And the real desire to know one way or another is just a natural part of human curiosity. somebody's doing this right and then all of a sudden he's gone and in a weird got the powers that be have everybody on their side i mean so so i mean there was early command those guys talking about potentially killing him

1:38:39 to go with the safer answer when in doubt you know sure i mean that's the nice way of not looking Well, that's the unfortunate reality of history, isn't it? They lied about certain actions that were going on. conspiracy or no, you're totally full of shit. It could never happen. And it's like, how the I've studied it for far too long. Yeah. Your message board will love this.

1:41:06 Come on. And you know what's funny is that I don't dispute any of those things. and it's a year after the cuban missile crisis right you almost have world war behind this attack i mean there's there you can create a scenario where it might have been a national security interest Because if he did do it, then that's communism killing the president, right?

1:43:10 good reason is because they did right to go out of bastards where the government said listen this is just one guy who did this but it's going to open up a whole Hey, you may be right. There's probably a lot of The mob had a direct thus sacrificing his own Car alarm or something. Nobody fucking pays They've cried wolf too many fucking times. three when government covers up, it's

1:46:41 to do that. I really don't. Nick Bostrom's idea, yeah. Well, if you just look at the progression of technology and you think, like, where is it eventually going to go a thousand years from now, ten thousand years from now, it's inevitable. If you're going to make it indiscernible, how do you not know it's not already there? And they were poisoned. I don't think that requires an extreme amount of intelligence.

1:49:12 actually did it. More than a hundred witnesses were dead within a decade. No. But that's always the case. They're directed at people who already know a ton about. That doesn't mean anything. that were there that played a part in that murder you're an asshole. It's just a fact. And so the people that are arguing to, if you look at the fact that Kennedy

1:52:04 he throws the magic bullet out the window. and hit a man, and the guy went to the hospital. remember, this is faster than the speed of sound. than were missing from the bullet? but the odds are that that was not a bullet that smashed bone if you've ever seen what a bullet They showed what a lot of the conspiracy writers deliberately left out of their work because it messed up their theories.

1:54:37 That's a very good point, and it is certainly possible. That's the real issue. was this idea that somehow president kennedy upset the military industrial area he didn't really want to get out of the in on the move assets to laos and We just don't know. Well, you do know that he said he wanted competitive. JFK, Federal Bank. with their conclusion, it's not there. It's like, poop, I just forgot about it. They do just the same thing that doesn't fit with their conclusion,

1:56:34 and all the points they are making looks really good. The idea, the conspiracy theorist cite, is this Executive Order 11110. So the idea was that he was moving in on the institution If you're not going to steal a car, and if you do steal a car, I haven't looked at it yet, but the Lyndon Johnson killed Kennedy book or something. And I'm like, you know, they're all juicy and salacious, but the idea that if you look at too many things as being a conspiracy, you do a huge disservice to what might actually be a conspiracy.

1:59:11 he doesn't understand how the world works Joe was telling me that before the show. He goes, to heck with it, I'm got to stop listening to critics. I do. You've got to stop listening to those internet comments. Joe was telling me that before the show. And they want you to feel sad, too. And you have a deficit. Dan Carlin doesn't know shit about how the world works.

2:00:41 not to. When someone says, Dan Carlin doesn't know how to work, you've got to go, all right, we all do something where we're criticized on a daily And that they were making such a big deal out of it that it was clear to her that they were judging her for not losing the 20 pounds. you become like a persecuted person particular issues, anytime somebody's so willing to embrace the victim role, I

2:02:55 because they're so overweight, They're already so far in the hole, it's almost impossible for them to get motivation. It's like, why can't they see it the way other people see it? I need that donut. I'm going to use my willpower from having these bad feelings. bow like that. Oh, it most certainly is, right? It's so interesting. That's why you can do it.

2:06:15 You know I do, man. It's not a fucking coincidence that I'm a stand-up comedian that we operate under. and all the people that were murdered. I have to say, I hope this doesn't embarrass you. Well, I'm honored that I could do that. I think we all are. That's right. Call me up in the middle of the night. Yeah, what was the highest you got on iTunes?

2:09:48 And I don't know if folks understand that. Absolutely. How did you get the idea to do this? Well, there was a lot of people that had already done it. We didn't know what we were doing. I mean, sometimes I have questions for the guests. Sometimes it's kind of structured in that way, where there's some things that I started doing podcasts, where it's just a hang. It's just a conversation. Sometimes I have questions for the guests.

2:11:41 He set up this thing called Live from the Compound. And I'm like, god damn it, we should start doing something. You know what I thought the greatest thing they ever did for people like us was? and I would be really bad like iTunes, You're number six right now Do you see what I drive here sometimes? And you know, your audience is awesome, by the way.

2:13:32 Be honest about how you feel about things. You can't know. People get attached to ideologies. fucking team and they don't and and vice versa. are you going to say you're going to complain about it again then it reinforces the idea of It's too much. And they go, yes, but I'm also a secret Klan member. I think that the only type of people that have the balls to step out like that are socially

2:16:35 That guy, obviously, he's got a few fucking screws loose. He could probably be good at that. and like, wow, this guy's fighting for the people. government and say everyone's corrupt. You know, his last run for president is done. Make me look like an idiot. But remember Rand Paul, who I've said nice things about, also has as one of his main advisors that guy who did the Southern Avenger.

2:18:28 and then when they said in our Constitution Oh my god. So that to me right there, you go, great. Paint him with a broad brush. He's destroyed conservative, independent, and libertarian in one tagline. Still? But Rand Paul still has this guy working for him. social media... That's a gay orgy about to happen. statement is how come of course the country's on

2:21:23 Tool. Yeah. Stockpiling water and creating escape routes and battering rams. rebellious position of railing out against the government. much bullshit along the way, so much pressure, so much back and forth debate, so much frustration, And I always say the same thing. That's my fear, is that you're going to hire Yeah, no doubt. But the minute you give it away,

2:23:47 It's all a bunch of wrestlers. Yay, simulation theory. I blanked it out. Yeah, it's an unfortunate reality of the control that has been exerted on the political climate. Hey, wait a minute. through to get to anywhere we don't see through that will smart people that are And you perpetrating this stupidity. that's in charge right now The attacks on secrecy and privacy, much larger than has ever been exhibited before.

2:27:21 so i lean forward i say what is it she goes at the republican fundraisers you get your wine in a glass of the democratic Democratic side that believe in equality and freedom and left-wing values, they think that The cronyism system. But I think a lot of people do get it. Like, I don't think it's an issue of lacking awareness, but what can I or my neighbor or the next guy

2:29:38 Well, and you know what the real, them are no longer useful. radicalism We'll fix it later. We got our back against the wall. and then we've got They've got a steel lining They came from other planets. You are talking way over my head. The idea of pansperia, panspermiamia is a well-accepted idea in astronomy, And when you have large doses of psilocybin mushrooms, one of the weird things is

2:32:50 perception of all kinds have probably played huge roles in history that we don't even know about, side of history would never going to get their consciousness yes yes that's true they love it so much that in this day and age we have It is. interesting a world we might live in today had that stayed the law of the land. did it to try to suppress hemp as a commodity.

2:35:53 And they even named this drug marijuana, which is a name for a Mexican slang term for a wild tobacco. And that's what I don't understand. Not only that, there are beneficial drugs that they have to attribute to diseases in order to get them passed through. Like there's So they had to sell it as some sort of a response to a disease. just a drug that makes you smarter.

2:37:30 that way yeah i guess they are kind of i mean if you think about it that's what the whole medical to what would not have been possible The government loses out because they're not getting any of the tax money But we have to buy our hemp protein powder in Canada. Yeah, the different variations, the cousins of the cannabis plant. Because unless you can grow it yourself like it's hard to quality

2:39:56 in South Dakota. entity because that's how reservations are right they? They are in this weird limbo. You know, we're not talking about a drug. You're not talking about marijuana as... Even marijuana is ridiculous, It's a commodity that's being banned because of a close association with an intoxicant. decide if something should be legal or illegal you know a hundred questions how

2:42:13 marijuana doesn't score better than most of the intoxicants that are out there That's an insult. So it works 100 times better than all of the Oxycontins and all that other shit, and it's not addictive. Fail. If you want to run a government Who run the stop sign at Walmart into the bad guy. The whole thing is so insane. Yeah, it's in my car, you'll find it. So I shove it up my rear end so that I can smoke it later. The whole thing is so insane.

2:44:37 We're all mad. you know that i became a new world order mouthpiece here at the Joe Rogan Experience podcast. I don't know if you know that. I can't keep talking to liars and pretending that we're putting together a TV show. It is hard to maintain the straight-faced thing. about really smart people who believe in really dumb things is the government

2:46:33 I got that too though that's nuanced, But yeah, because the fact is, like the reviews you get or the feedback that Joe is getting about this stuff, And you're just keeping an open mind, right? And I said, that's a cartoon character. which is coming from it means that society, You're crazy. Yeah, I've been called a conspiracy theorist with good reason,

2:49:05 realities of the influence of corporations and special interest groups and lobbyists. And every one of those examples that they showed, if those were the only examples, and I don't think they are, we're doing something crazy. not willing to look at the other possibilities Done. Case closed. idea. I came up with it without telling Dan Carlin is not one, but two fucking podcasts.

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