Joe Rogan Experience #417 — Graham Hancock Transcript

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0:00 So cue the music. I have been on the road since the second day of September. Between and betwixt, I've had maybe So we were there and then took the opportunity of being in Turkey is wall yourself up in some underground place where they venerated psychedelics in ancient times I don't eat meat. No. So I thought, why don't I become a vegetarian? And that's kind of where I drew the line,

3:33 I suppose so. I mean, we don't, part of, I think, All the time. I see the point. I was always a bit squeamish about the blood, forget what's involved in it. That some creature is dying and in our culture, a pretty unpleasant, No animal makes it. rather than the horrible, cold, industrial slaughterhouses that we have now hits it, and that's gone, and it's over. And it it's virtually painless because when a bullet hits an animal like that i mean

7:08 Yeah. And for me and for my whole family. And I have this mapped out. This year, I want to get Right. I know there's many people that work out very hard that go on a completely plant-based diet. I went to – well, I'm going next week actually. So homesteaders tried to make these homes out there and live, going down the river in canoes doing the same thing hunting so you're having a wilderness

9:41 animal that can hunt you back that's true but the animals that can hunt you back are not really edible. And you just take part in that. Just running, running, running until finally the animal just says, I'm done. We can't outspeed them, but we can keep going. However you say it. the men and the women went through that involved genital mutilation. At 13, yeah.

12:32 when they leave the hut to do anything, running on a regular basis and then also the intense ability to withstand pain was your work on the very clear evidence living this one of them is this man who lives with this Inuit woman and they I don't know if it's meant to, but it seems like we evolved to do it. Yeah. the actual environment. somehow the promise was

15:49 I mean, you know, I remember with computers But that has not turned out to be the case. It's impossible. be dust till dawn doing that Facebook, I find, is a very useful thing. But to respond to every comment when you have 300, 500, 1,000, 1,500 comments on a post, it's impossible. Some symbiotic thing where, I think we're already kind of symbiotic with that allows us to communicate some symbiotic thing where i think

18:31 Weird times when it comes to this stage that we're in. You're in communication with people from all over the world. and communities of ideas tend to kind of gravitate together, I remember a time as an author when I depended heavily on the big media to be heard about, to be known at all. The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross. Fantastic book. I mean, that book was gone.

20:47 and they were very expensive. You had to buy something unique, you could take a picture of that, tweet it, and link an article to your website, boom, a lot of reaction. I'm getting stuff back informs me in a way that I've never been informed before. You're reaching a lot of people that way, and this is special, and it's eye-opening, actually. I am as well.

23:31 and if that people that have started their own podcast I mean, if it catches on, it catches on. Yes. I don't know, so fast. And intuitively, one would not immediately think And martial art, what a martial art really is, is the path that you go through in becoming It's doing something incredibly difficult, Because in many ways, there is no more challenging adventure or experience that one can have.

26:36 which requires strength of character to fulfill. Exactly. such a, well, the word terrifying doesn't do it justice to what happened to me. It was just the single hugest ordeal that I have ever confronted in my life. And after you've been through an ordeal Absolutely. It's such a brilliant man otherwise. It's a self-preservation issue as well for people that are professionals, because if

29:46 Everything's great. and people find out about it, the repercussions are real and they should be. And the answer is, with taking psychedelics, no, you're not. My friend Ed Clay runs one in Mexico, and I know there's some in Canada as well, where Blaming other people for all of his failures Even with a prescribed dose, it's a really difficult time to get off of them,

32:06 NyQuil. That's what NyQuil used to have in it, right? but it's the paracetamol that's really going to totally screw up your liver, It's provided us with certain plants that can help us with pain. that is 100 times more effective than opiates eliminate pain. No, that's not what people do. But the amount of money you're talking about is absolutely staggering.

35:17 That's it exactly. it to you and says, this is actually how you are, you know, and you think, fuck, I never It's crazy. with God particularly. I do go with mystery, but that And any thought that there might be spirit, Is that really what we're being taught or is that just something that people find easy? Ooh, exciting. that showed that you were a really big guy, you know.

39:16 Yeah, the consciousness not being projected from the human mind is a very confusing one to me. I think that's pretty clear. Exactly. debate recently between uh richard dawkins and deepak chopra which uh it was it was quite Yes, he has. Oh, I go, how can you insist? of stardust a star had to explode to create the very molecules that are inside of our body yeah

42:12 Even though I know what quantum means, I know what he's talking about when he's talking about consciousness being non-local. I've met him and he's a formidable arguer. And when I say that lack of information, I mean one thing and one thing only, psychedelic That's the one psychedelic with which there is just no negotiation. It is going to take you there, and it's going to deal with you.

44:12 He's one of the people I would really like to see having that data. dimension that's inhabited with sense where it turned evil. But I think the DMT was really helpful. shit, yes, but only for 12 minutes. ripped away. And then the voice comes again. There's like a trumpet call and the voice comes that they would say. And this is like when I was about to leave when I was starting to sober up,

48:15 Yeah. And it was the words of McKenna, but not in, you know, just those things are getting into your brain very clearly yeah but i'm not really sure you hear them beneficial thing for me. Yeah, it was very positive and beneficial for me as well. I think Because after it was over, it was so intense and powerful It was like this flittering thing that I'd go, no, stop it, stop it.

51:28 Never. It's one of the most, I mean, perhaps the most humbling experience that it's possible to have. I've been using them for, I bought my house in 2003. It's the best place in the country. You see it up there. Okay. It's amazing. you're in total silence, total darkness. Your ears are actually underwater. You close the lid on this thing and you don't hear a thing,

54:29 It gets me to start examining various aspects of my life. your butt is feeling the chair. It's amazing. Well, that's what i was isolation tank. How interesting. Well, this is an experience I have to have. You're going to have it. There's tanks. All this equipment that he has attached to all this stuff, And you don't feel a thing. I would have thought that would have been a part of your daily life.

57:57 I wouldn't live in a house if I didn't have space for one. We're torn apart. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is... They found stone tools and Yes. different even than the four other skulls found in revealing that skull five is simply So the brain case itself is very So this is well within that time frame. I think maybe what it's showing us is that there have been many lines of human down through the ages.

1:01:49 Yes, fascinating, fascinating stuff. We come out of mystery, we live nothing, actually. We know very little. We come It would sound ridiculous, but this Homo, what's called Hobbit man, this Hobbit man was only 13,000, 14,000 years ago. because there's been a new site, or rather an old site, he thinks this site is possibly as much as 20,000 years old, which a megalithic site 20,000 years

1:04:26 and Danny Hillman and his team have been down deep into this man-made hill It has to be, yeah, because you can't date stone. At least. because that was the first time that they had found anything Yeah, sure. Now, New Scientist was one of the magazines that attacked me massively back in 1995 when I published Fingerprints of the Gods. Because Gobekli Tepe is something completely unpredicted,

1:07:32 they found a fault in it. Yeah, sorry. You see... and possibly as many as 50 times as many. I would now say we need to reconsider that evidence, You have site planning and arrangement. All of this is the kind period of time. It's something that was done all at once in a planned and organized way. They saw bits of cut stone lying on the surface But at the same time, mysteriously, agriculture starts to appear in that area.

1:11:56 producing the first agriculture. And I can't help feeling that this thing happened so suddenly and in such an extraordinary way that maybe this is the missing link, that we're looking at the fingerprints of a lost civilization, the survivors of a lost civilization who settled there with all these skills already in place and introduced them into the local culture because this period 12,000 years ago plus is the period

1:12:40 Trinitite. Is that the Holocene? of sudden deep freeze strikes the earth. and set in motion a kind of what we would call a nuclear winter today, He's a very, very fascinating man. They landed on the ice cap, which was still then a mile deep, and they pulverized it. And I'm looking forward to doing a fascinating field trip scientific argument about this over the last five or six years. But it's really settled now. The evidence that all over the world is clear

1:16:30 It was the comet hitting the ice cap that turned all that ice to water that these events have taken place in a much greater scale There's a massive amount of evidence for it. They're all about floods and cataclysms. We fell out of harmony with the universe. I think we should think positive. to give. And ours is a culture which is literally destroying the earth. The Amazon jungle, this amazing sacred realm, this incredible home of biodiversity,

1:20:31 total wipeout so this i this idea that i've that i've talked about many times over the years that All that stuff's gone. You can't access it anymore. Consider the implications of that if that supply chain breaks down. The Philippines super storm, a storm the size of Germany. They showed a city that was 200,000 people And the other thing about the universe is that our orbit,

1:23:47 all. We know a tiny fraction of them. What becomes clear is we only know a little bit The torrid shower is a remains of a disintegrated comet. And in that of New York, you know, which is going to Well, if we don't look into it, if that kind of effort were put into making sure Yeah. Yeah, I mean, maybe that's what happened with the dinosaurs. says, right or wrong, consistently says that mankind is implicated in these cataclysms.

1:27:01 it and then there would be disputes and I'm sure the Republicans would start, last nonsense, we'll show you right here. I wonder if we would really pay attention Insane. anybody who works with ayahuasca enough is going to start picking up that message, but in a really firm and clear way. And Bill Hicks did a lot of mushrooms. this is vr-zone.com all the plastic up.

1:30:24 and material that's not biodegradable, that's being turned into this sludgy, around in the ocean. When your back is up against the wall, people start thinking. When people start journey. Yeah. That's where we do have choice. newfound realization of what we're really doing, what our impact really is, the awareness, ideas of nationalism and patriotism and all that bullshit have gone. These are people who are

1:33:44 They might talk in a different accent or speak a different language, to divide us from one another and prevent us from realizing. You have to rely on us. chunk of fear with a little bit of hope. You know, yeah. All fear. So ridiculous socially where people are just like completely up in arms and upset about it. But also that technological trend is going to lead to ultimate truth.

1:36:17 Yeah. Yeah. and that affair was exposed through email exchanges where the FBI examined the CIA. Because this is the main government entity I mean, affairs obviously are an issue, but the real problem is going to be in the structure by rational people. this continual surveillance There's nothing wrong with having a president. We want honest government.

1:39:06 The change comes. No. It should be done. Conducted each other conducted their lives and then look at how we conduct our lives in 2013 They come up again and again in the conversation. And what it boils down to is the recognition, And this, I see a big awakening all over the world taking place. It's a litmus test. level of culture. between old world pyramids and new world pyramids because all the pyramids in the new world

1:43:06 No warfare, none whatsoever. They are teachers. size directly related to the consumption of psychedelic mushrooms. that's completely ignored by so many mainstream Aren't they stupid as fuck? And these very mysterious, eerie spaces that you go into, like the Cave of Lascaux. Just, I mean, wasn't that like 40,000 plus years ago? It's almost like it's over the curve of

1:46:51 about Egyptology. a list of all the pharaohs who've ruled before their time. lists as well. So the Egyptologists grab the bit that fits their prejudice and ignore the rest and The evidence that the Great Sphinx that the Sphinx could be 12,000 years old. Well, now we have Gobekli Tepe, and it is 12,000 years old, It was on NBC. Yeah. later, you would find zero. Nothing.

1:50:20 beautifully cut, unbelievable precision to the ancient Egyptians was iron that came in in meteorites. And there is the odd knife that's This is the argument. ancients were working with in one way or another. Certainly when you go to a place like Sacsayhuaman Heat, yeah. for 100 plus years now. And they are actually descended from the Incas. And most of what they did was pretty poor quality.

1:53:34 Like a gigantic jigsaw puzzle. Sacsayhuaman. That's me. That's you standing next to that stone. That's me standing next to that stone. It goes on forever in these huge walls. you realize that you are looking at some sort of technology that we don't get. I've got a picture of the whole wall. And it really feels like they were melted. But even then, how do you push them into place?

1:56:48 Oh, my God. Is that what it is? When we go to England and do UFC weigh-ins, It's weird. But they were honoring an earlier work of construction. because archaeology just can't bear the idea I agree. Why date it? That was based on a pre-existing reference. What impact, if any, has this Gobekli Tepe discovery changed archaeologists' view of okay, we have to completely rethink our ideas about the Upper Paleolithic.

2:00:39 not to think in terms of challenging the paradigm because it's dangerous. something or excuse me to pretend you have all the information when you're 5,000 years ago on the basis of a few things dug out of the ground, it's not good enough. They're disputing of it. old, indisputably so. I think it sooner or later will cause a reconsideration of the Sphinx. I hope

2:03:22 Thousands of years of water erosion. And they were attacked for it. And, you know, people don't get burnt at the stake these days for proposing alternative Yeah, it's a really, really incredible series that I've watched many, many times over and over again Actually, Giza is a very complicated site. years old as well. What we have are very complex multi-layered sites where there's a very ancient

2:06:22 and that seems to me to be the one smoking gun in And there are traces of red ochre paint on the walls. And this was solved by a certain gentleman, who shall remain nameless, He scrubbed it off the walls. That's so sad. The nasty aspects of human nature can even find their way into archaeology. We've talked about Gobekli Tepe. We've talked about the comet. The comet for me is the cataclysmic

2:09:57 I'm due to deliver it to the publishers in December 2014. time is not what it seems, that it's a kind of spiral or a cat's cradle of intercrossing lines It did well enough at any rate for the publishers in Britain I want to try many, many things. played this terrible game of ball game where the loser had his head cut off. And War God is the That's essentially a label.

2:13:13 That's it. Human sacrifice was conducted on an industrial scale But, you know, it was a different time. It was a different world then in 1519. And I've tried to What started it all with the Aztecs? was encountering this demonic entity, Hummingbird, in Psilocybin Trances and was constantly being given incredibly bad, even wicked advice by him. This book is about the battle of good against evil. And it's not that the Spanish are good

2:17:05 50 teams of killers working at the top of the Great Pyramid their hearts cut out. And all of this in honor He appears to Cortez in dreams and takes on the disguise of St. Peter. European powers to Africa, for example, all of this was based on what happened in those years between 1519 and 1521 and they are going to take on this empire that can put 200,000 men into the field that will,

2:19:42 That you take the psychic energy of the individual you're going to kill, you kill them, take their psychic energy and feed it to these vampire-like creatures that are lying in the beyond, that thrive on human misery and pain. that energy. We will not offer lives to the beyond. may be missing part of the picture. Good and evil, yeah. The question is, what is going on here?

2:22:35 for the light rather than the darkness. We can always choose for good rather than evil. We don't extreme variables, and these extreme variables can push us by understanding of the consequences We have to learn here. I want to know how they got 80,000 people to get in a line to get their hearts cut out. this is what we will do to you. They skinned people alive. They were truly, truly awful.

2:25:16 They have lived in terror of them for 200 years, and they see him as a liberator. And they came as a kind of karma. And it so happened that Cortes landed on the coast of Mexico with his tiny army in the Aztec year, one read. And it so happened that Cortes landed on the coast of Mexico with his It was an amazing, amazing coincidence. without paddles. They would be dressed in shining metal armor and they would deploy weapons called

2:27:52 And that's why I felt I want to write a book about this. The stone itself may be much older than that, but the strata it's dug up from was already 3,500 ships without oars and things, fire, guns, the whole deal? that somebody who looks like them is living on the mainland as a prisoner of the Maya. And gradually through sign language, he figured out what it was,

2:30:31 He'd been living amongst the Maya for 11 years. She's already been handed over to Cortez as a prisoner. She masters Spanish. They had to fall on their faces. There's still a statue of her in Mexico City today. Wow. He said, aside from God himself, but this is why she wants to bring Moctezuma down, because she sees him as the head of an Let's see if this Spanish Toledo steel will cut off this man's arm,

2:34:31 that his plan was to become the new king of Mexico. But the king of Spain had different ideas, Those times you lived to be 60, you were old. Massive war wounds. Weren't they tiny, though? a lack of nutrition? That is absolutely fascinating, Yeah, big, giant wrestlers. Well, I guarantee you just sold a gang of books because that was really fascinating.

2:36:51 everything's so soft and easy. Man, I hope a million people go out and buy your book after that. Beautiful. audio book. Thanks free bonus months Bye-bye.