Joe Rogan Experience #418 — Jeremy Stephens, Eddie Bravo Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. And we're going to talk about the UFC for sure. Lucid dreaming is when you know you are dreaming, not a crystal clear profound dream. and all that there's it's really hard it's easier just to go to fucking about the person you want to dream with and all that. A happy place. It's really hard. You could be this guy's blowjob slave.

2:02 As soon as they figure out they're in a dream, they go, fuck, I'm going to fly. And the first thing I wanted to do was just like find a girl and make out with her and just like hump her. Well, isn't it amazing that when your hormones are at your highest, that's when you're the youngest and dumbest and not able to control that shit at all? And then all of a sudden, you get into a storm of confusion in high school

3:09 And you hang around with her no matter what. I want to go to movies just to make out. about these dreams, I am dreaming. I can't believe this is a dream. This is so clear and it was so bright. And all I kept thinking was, I can't believe this is And then bam, I woke up. With a vicious boner. Yeah, right there. I woke up. It was so crystal What's the Alliance sprint program?

5:24 Pretty much, yeah. Wow Like they have a sprint series that the whole camp will do every week But I think everybody either does their own thing or at least there is some type of structure time there seems to be like a separation He was searching for that coach. Yeah, there's a gang of good camps in this country now. I'm watching a GSP, and I'm watching Johnny Hendricks.

8:04 I mean, I think Tyrone Woodley's a bad motherfucker. he's going to keep getting better and better and better. You see those right hands? It seems like he finally is putting it together. And everybody's like, oh, man, this guy always does his wrestling. I'd probably credit that to, like, him being down at American Top Team, And it's so fast. He's got that.

10:28 lose because of their striking people will criticize them because of their striking like man, I really got to work on some things. And some guys don't ever do it. super down-to-earth awesome so you meet a lot of cool guys but but you ever notice black guys are really, really huge, right? And, well, they'll jump on the scale, and then they're like, they're not as heavy.

12:45 I'm over here getting like a belly. Oh, my God. And I know that the power is always there. Which was Des Moines, Iowa. So I think I just credit that to, like we said, you know, my coaches How much do you put back on? Yeah, I do. tell some people that don't like you know that they don't want to do the bags I don't know what they did. to rebuild the blood cells.

15:46 He's going too hard right there. that look like they're on death's door. I've seen His whole face was sucked in. Dude, out of all the guys who were super talented and he went to Jackson's Ricardo Laborio told me he's got, like, I swear by those. Are you talking about like a rumble roller? I mean I'll break up everything. How many times has that happened to you?

18:15 It makes a big difference. Look at that. Until, did you wrestle in high school? I did wrestle in high school I wrestled one uh good guys olympic level guys guys like dominant crews coaches pushing me so i'm always in there You know anybody can fight we can go right to the Chevron, you know and to start a fight Yeah. But he was talking about how he can't sleep.

21:05 and you're in the top of a hill with a bunch of hungry sharks nipping at your feet. I'm going through crazy. then when you go to fight you're energized to the max you're like boom it's all right now it's this How about shins, man? You just launched that The KO. Yeah, wouldn't that make a great poster? you know, visionary, you know, like, always want, like, it was a cool knockout.

23:29 Yeah. Yeah, I was hitting people with spinning back fist, flying knees. Mostly, yep. Everybody that probably YouTubes me is probably like, man, this is old school stuff. Oh, my God, that shit is perfect. where he held on the tap too late or too long. He had no schooling. Much, much harder than He has a giant scar on his chest. I don't think, yeah. I mean, it's a short split second that you have to decide.

26:58 That's what I think about. Bites his mouthpiece But it is possible Oh, I've cracked him before Him and Josh Neer are like one of my inspirational dudes, Would you rather be Mike Pierce? Or live through what, uh, uh, honey, uh, Jason went through. I would way, way rather be He connects. Jeremy He knew the fight was over, and he still held on. So as soon as he taps, he goes, okay, stop.

29:38 that you're dealing with a choice. And when the When Dan Anderson cracked Bisbing in that situation, there is a chance. No, no, he doesn't kind of know. I agree. just a race and this is in the rules. the ref did stop him. You know what I mean? I would rather have the guy get hit one more time. Yes. You know, he's not putting it in your mouth. He had to get cut.

32:35 There's no other guys that could jump on you with heel hooks like that. Dean is very, very good, where he just attacks someone was traveling. I don't think it went down because I think He's crazy It's a real shame that Gene Lister had to go into MMA And there's some guys that are just never going to make that transition to striking. Or something right in between, like combat jiu-jitsu is right in between.

35:16 if people but they would they would cross train everybody would cross train nobody would ever do That's another in-between MMA and grappling. you know i mean dudes get jacked riding horses man that shit falls all the time horse races I'd be like, thank you, UFC, for letting me enjoy this. it's natural to feel those thoughts and yes and wonder because i actually been been clipped before

37:46 I knew I was getting better in the gym and the progress. So I love that aspect about fighting. And I just totally agree with that. So you've got to be able to adapt and adjust. You never run out of techniques. Yeah, yeah. I never see them. and everybody knows this. Show the whole thing. won the u.s open i won the massachusetts state championship like four years in a row

40:40 so I had to make a big decision, and my big decision was abandon all that, When I was there, it was like, you know, I first saw it, There were some copyright issues or what have you. So I went to Carlson Gracie's place in like 96. And then he was getting sued by Horian or something like that, Yeah. Yeah, you had a calm demeanor on there. Oh, a fear factor one?

42:45 threw his wife to the ground on another show. because it was like the most dysfunctional Screaming at each other. She's ruining it for you. You guys got it wrapped up. couple times they didn't show that and then uh next thing you know i got him in the plum i just Chris Hazeman, remember, way back? He hit him with a front leg sidekick to the body and dropped Vitor.

45:18 emulated Dominic Cruz that's not a coincidence right that they move the same I just think he's That's a very distinct style. Got great footwork, man. It was first fight of the pay-per-view. I can see him definitely being a 35er in the future that people are going to start looking after. You think he'll be 35? You know, a lot of respect for Demetrius Johnson.

46:32 I've never seen that dude in a boring fight. camp and Benavidez and Mighty Mouse they're gonna have a rematch on Fox He's getting better. Yeah, he set up a lot of wrestling. It covers a lot of distance, too. It's very straight down the back. Boom, right hand. He goes world class again. Celebrity status and not waking up and working drone. in this dream. And I was just starting out.

49:43 Oh, was it, uh... all the crazy crap, you know, Varner Jamie Varner said he was shaking before the fight. And I was already in UFC at the time, and I guess they're like, yeah, he's working on his ground or whatever, Yeah, they're like, man, you don't look 145. him and Hector Lombard are just going to take over the top, I think. You know, then you got Tiago Alves coming back, dude. Tiago Alves, we're probably soon to see him scrap again. Yeah, I probably never would fight, or they wouldn't fight until it became absolutely terrible. Then you got Tiago Alves coming back, dude.

51:41 Holy shit. Donald Cerrone's inside control, just some Cerrone's thinking about, He's a big dude at 155 pounds. I don't think he's going to drop. break there, and that's when he just locked it up. Evan Dunham is a brief window. He had a brief window he could have pulled out of that triangle where he's taking a little break there, and that's when he just locked it up.

53:24 He was ferocious on the ground. I forget who he fought, but he said, trust me, put all your money on Evan Dunham. I think he fought, I forget who he fought, And that fight, Dunham just had this back control that was crazy likes to stay active and get after it so it's interesting to see what he's going to do yeah He almost knocked him out. But the scoring system's terrible. The scoring system's terrible crazy. It's not that off, at least this fight. But

56:05 quantifiably the same? time goes on, if MMA sport. And that's fucking stupid. You did everything. And then people were just like, no, Lyoto won. The problem with the Hendrix-GSB fight is, let's say people that are watching it that are MMA fans that may not even train. Is a fight about touching a guy? and that fight was to go down, and even though they dominated the rest of the round,

58:37 not just he got a lucky punch and his eye got swollen. after a fight was Johnny Hendricks Saturday night. It's because I was going to echo his breathing to make it echo so. I think that if you look at the scoring system that's in place which I don't understand why people don't count those. Just because GSP's not responding doesn't mean those aren't big shots.

1:00:21 He hit him with some hard fucking elbows when they were up against the cage. him on his back and he's getting strangled. happen. Sometimes you're doing commentary, you're just No. That's always going to be the case. honestly and objectively. Guy got his They couldn't deny the fact that BJ lost that fight. I think even GSP's face told it all. He's controlling these rounds.

1:03:17 You got to go back and, like, look at things like, okay, what happened? Dude, he's a beast. Why didn't you do this two years ago? Why didn't you do this two years ago? or if there's a fucked up one? I told them what I thought were good bets and not good bets. But do you think there's ever been a point in time in Las Vegas where the people that are running the casinos, who the fuck knows who they are, have something to do with the commission?

1:05:41 I don't know. Because they had a line on professional pool once. They were missing the pocketbook inches on purpose, totally on purpose, highly elite people, they know how to make they make the call and they go, that motherfucker this or that there's got to be someone with some serious power it's the math that people don't You just want to go up and smack him.

1:07:43 You can't be good at it. It's not like the battle between the card counters and the casinos. but for the most part, in a basement? But all of a sudden, in to get really good at MMA. pig latin i don't know what the fuck you're saying but but to them it's just it's almost I just lost 75 bucks to realize this guy's an idiot, playing blackjack together, and Eddie gets

1:10:08 You know Like I'll hit like two low cards And it just kind of you're making your decisions. So the way you're looking at it is if he gets a five that you could have used, If you have 15 and you hit, you know, you know what the consequences are. Well, I would imagine, too, that if you were a card counter, it would actually help you You know what I mean?

1:12:23 they robbed the casino there's always a where the dude there's a college They all got a suite together If you knew how to count cards, I just want a couple extra hundred you know you there's red you can just bet red and black you could put chips on the numbers or you you keep doubling it that you can't do that shit. And then if you hit, that would be so awesome.

1:14:10 have been had It's just going to be $500 a day. They'd be like, get out of here, bitch. You gotta keep switching two days later. I love Vegas. I love the idea behind Fuck yeah. Yeah, fuck yeah. Don't look at that. You know, a lot of people give Carrot Top a lot of shit. They used to be a style of prop. of all time. Gallagher's a prop comic. They'd be like

1:16:47 The man, huh? I saw him back at his height, live, man. amount of theaters like as far as like money. That was the thing about his act. I want to hear Start Me Up. Yeah, it's a different thing. Oh, he needed the money. He's got a hot wife. of cigarettes. the Roots fanny pack Dude, I love Ford Fairlane. Long time ago. Did you ever ask him Bomb and then release it as a DVD and it did great.

1:19:32 And what he wanted to do was just show up I was only, I think I was, like, 22. Yeah. Joe Rogan everywhere. That's gotta be If they say hi, I'll say hi. you just got arrested again last year for punching his allegedly incognito no Yeah, you can't, but you have to enjoy it. I think everybody in this room is doing that in some way, shape, or form, He freaked out.

1:22:25 So when you're hitting that vaporizing bag, God I never... Vaporizing, too. Yeah. We do it with someone you like. Some people are just trying to get on that spiritual level, man. with your shit and that's the out of control thing is like a psychological balance i mean and as a So I'm like, man, what's Joe doing when he's in like brazil or london or something like that so they

1:24:08 But online, when you're dealing with anonymous people, You know what? success or compare it to your success that shit is all flawed and dangerous because amount of free time in your fucking day because if you're a smart person you find shit you love They're distracting themselves They don't ever know how to flip that switch There's three types of people in this world, man.

1:26:44 that he's just a cool dude in a But it's a job that exists. that Kanye West was knocking out these people that were paparazzi in Austin. What the fuck am I watching that for? Just innocent people that are just going up Can you imagine that? You know what? if you just strike someone for no reason for a goof. because it's one dude. fucking bastard before he does it again.

1:29:30 Okay. Good fellas. and it's exciting to do something horrible like that for all the wrong reasons, I go, what are you talking about? But nobody wants to fight. There's the John Jones out there. You find out a lot about a guy when you hit him. They're just on one. You're willing to put it all on the line against another person. these guys that are coming along like Jesus Christ.

1:32:31 You remember those days when you used to watch Tyson on ESPN, and you'd see the highlights, I think he was saying that it was after. But he would cry before his fights, dude. cause they're good friends. His, back in that's what it looks like but Atlas is going come on this is like let's go get Oh. This was post-prison. He said That he was You know Maybe the greatest thing

1:35:03 I'll fuck you Old school shit. Yeah, he even mentions he got knocked down before the Buster Douglas fight. The history of war is the history of drugs. than all the drug cartels El Chapo Guzman. They called this guy And people, cops, governmental officials are getting paid off. dude was more ten times more gangster than any a hundred times more gangster

1:37:42 Yeah, he's like tied into a bloodline of just deep war roots. that he went through in Arkansas. it's like a two-hour documentary. They drop it off. They got busted doing this. you the fuck away, dude. Yeah, yeah. It gets bizarre, you know. I need to see the alternative media. in the Clinton Chronicles, man. There's some serious Black helicopters. Like, Washington Post, they're bought and sold.

1:40:53 Some of those things, you know, You know what I'm fascinated with right now is there's so many ex-CIA agents coming clean and talking, man. That happened in 9-11. You hear about loose change and all the other documentaries that we're remember Tila Tequila? she was like, came out in this crazy exactly what's... talking about the Illuminati. She was doing a good job there.

1:42:33 and just give it to Tila Tequila. No, it's fucking Tila Tequila. They have the documents. If you look at her Wikipedia She's a very pretty girl. It's a fascinating show. It's a really good show. Because this is purely fiction. If there's some shit going on they want to cover up. dicks locked. Sure, I'll take a glass of water, honey. And these poor guys, man,

1:45:46 once the intelligence community found out about this incredibly potent psychedelic drug, everything. Turnout didn't work that way. The way I've heard it described acid biochemically, So then they thought about it and said, filled with acid. They did a lot of tests on soldiers, both the United States and the British Armed Forces did that. Yeah. so people would freak out.

1:48:44 Like that was the formula, whether it's They do it in Asia. bankrupt them and then yeah it makes sense right oh these are gangsters are And they knew Arkansas was where they were bringing it in. And then you watch their debates. Yes. create more jobs. Put a stamp on it. It's like they're buddies behind the scene, but on camera they're pretending like they're enemies.

1:51:34 That's the facts. Naturally. And, you know, they just start drowning witches. on so they had blamed Sandoz is the people that eventually started producing in explained that it was not at all caused by they didn't really have all the data in 1951. The corruption will slowly morph down to a very reasonable level But recently, just recently I've been obsessed with the JFfk case oh it's fascinating it's amazing man to think to think

1:55:26 No, I'm totally... because honestly, if it opens up a lot of people's eyes but george bush senior being the head of the When George Singer and Ronald Reagan got busted, they got busted wide open selling arms to the Contras. I live close right down. Right. He goes, you think we got airplanes? That's documented. even know the difference till you go over there it's like we're over here paying for like this

1:59:02 experience being over there you almost just appreciate going to a clean neighborhood, you know, driving You hear about, you hear a lot, you hear a lot of stuff, you know, and then like sometimes The drugs, you know, people that are stuff that people are making movies on and making millions of dollars, you know, that's all cool, but that stuff really goes down.

2:00:05 But if you mess up or if you do anything wrong, we'll kill you, your whole family, and then some. like an overlay of the United States, Law enforcement gets paid off not to see it, Watch The Lord of the Skies, that documentary But no one says that there's anybody like this guy they called the Lord of the Sky. You're talking about a guy that's alive now.

2:02:11 Have you seen the documentary, The Two Escobars? This is one of the biggest drug lords ever, Pablo Escobar. was a big retaliation toward him and the things that were going on so then like the politics like No one really knew. I watch your stuff. They never wanted to live like that. and said, He killed a lot of politicians. he built the jail. So they murdered him so once they find out that they figured out the oh shit. He's running this jail

2:05:57 awesome now. Apparently Columbia, Isn't it interesting that, you know, places can go and come? You thought of people with fucking margaritas chilling on the beach. good food their manners you know they're trying to take care of you very family and you're a Cain Velasquez, dude. Couldn't do it in boxing. How do you think Cain Velasquez would do in boxing?

2:08:00 But this guy was a badass fucking boxer. wrestler. I mean, his game Dude, I don't know, man. That would be a guy that would eventually, you know. Who knows what Josh Barnett's going to show up. I know he's working hard, so these two first round from Alistair. brown gutted through that shit literally got it through it he's amazing yeah then got up in front

2:10:15 Wad, dude. You're seeing them a lot now. are going to be. knee. So the knee pops up. You don't know if he's I bet MMA gym after MMA gym was their striking coach was telling their students not to throw those. Anthony Pettis is throwing crazy kicks, throwing crazy knees. didn't know how to fight on the ground. techniques at people that you never saw, like

2:12:29 it takes a guy off his game. I mean, Khabibov is fucking... with some strikes. That's what catches him Okay, I like that. Just look at his face. big right hands. He was... He got hit hard. I'm a fighter. There's a lot of insensitivity in how people view fights and fighters after fights happen. laughing hey man can you autograph this and you know rashad crumpled it up and told him to get

2:15:13 That's just horrible. You know, talking shit while he's on the free throw line. Now you're in a completely different category as far as your expectations for your future. i just went on this freaking trip where I was just, Yeah. They're not strong enough to pull through. And you go into a fight, you know, that wears and tears on you, like, mentally, and it's mentally taxing.

2:17:57 I was feeling a lot more better. into that fight just not a clear head i didn't have my head on my shoulders and i was just gunning Was it a mistaken identity case? And he's just being disrespectful, groping on women, you know, just being obnoxious, drunk. gets gets thrown out start they're like hey man this is like a private party you got you got to

2:20:07 So was it the fact that the dude got knocked the fuck out And I was actually in Des Moines and was calling down to see if I needed to be questioned. You know, I really watch who I'm hanging out with now. I don't go out, you know, I mean, And, you know, it's just going to show now is the right time. You realized that you had potential, and you went down to a serious gym.

2:22:08 that for the longest time when I was traveling. I went to Florida with Hermes and had some run-ins because your fight was quick. I think Josh Thompson, Benson Henderson's on that card. He's from the Midwest guy. And I really just think that I have all the skills to beat him. He bangs with everybody. It's going to be a great fight. I like that. I like that about fighters, man. I don't, I don't believe in

2:24:13 But he's as good as he's ever been. But he's had a long, good, successful career, and he's very athletic, He does a lot of sneaky shit. Those trips He's really interesting to watch. You know, it's like Josh Thompson, Rashad Evans, We turn into a pumpkin. He's coming into his own. Well, it's also just focus and maturity and really putting in the work.

2:26:14 It was a great fight. so I'm going to go back, and then I'm just going to enjoy myself, man. Thank you. The master, Eddie Bravo, on 10thplanetjj.com That's his nickname. to save yourself 10% off. Lumosity.com forward slash Joe. That's Lumosity.com forward slash Joe. Click the start training button Use the code name Rogan and save 10% off any and all supplements.

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