Joe Rogan Experience #425 — Phil Demers Transcript

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0:00 Rogan Podcast, check it out. Why don't you tell us your story? I suppose. and, uh, I saw an article in the paper, you want to be a marine mammal trainers assistant. Right off the hop they're teaching you how to do it? Yeah, that exists in just about every application of animal training. but trainers now and the art of training, or ultimately deprivation.

3:27 You develop that language. and how they deprive them of food for punishment? aspect. You're not feeding. I mean, at any facility. And that they would deprive them of food. steps, you know, these, these approximations and Like it's hard to, I don't like to, it's hard to call them an animal just because, you know, I see what you're saying to a certain extent about some animals, but look into a rat's eyes and tell me he's thinking about poetry.

7:02 That seems almost like a person in a weird outfit you know spiritual way for sure is that the most fucked up aspect about places where they they They're there to be entertained. your dog is. Those dog shows about your dog being just on fucking point, listening to you every step shit that any normal person can do. It's weird, right? It's an affinity

8:55 and a pure language dolphins whales orcas they have a language like it's not as small as a few grunts and it's so complex and weird and it's They can't just walk out. The way your mouth works is stupid. Well, they sleep while they're in motion. you know, John Lennon said, like, imagine a world come on, son. You gotta look at everything that guy says with a grain of salt. I showed my girlfriend, like, a video of people are big John Lennon fans. They don't want to admit that, but come on, son. You got to look at everything that guy says with a grain of salt.

11:17 She's strange. I think he just had a weakness. Put them in a cage. of fingers and shit, but if you The basis of their language and their being, sympathetic than we are. Because that's what we people up until World War II But they're that smart. The, I mean, the relationship that we have with them is very bizarre. Like, you know, let's speak hypothetically just for a second.

14:37 pleasing animals. And this one just is not prepared to stomach the life of captivity. And And you're having to go down there, grab a towel, just to go back to what you said about deciphering the language. that is something you're going to have to do someday. Injections. Russia's where there's a lot of trade in Russia. Those are slaves. that their cerebral cortex is 40% larger

17:05 hunting a seal. and then the wave sort of goes over, Simultaneously as one, I had to shut it off, man. We had a big male. Wow. I mean, they're constantly swimming, constantly moving, how do they rationalize this? How do they. That's the cat's ass job right there. I never put the animal there. So it's not bad people. you're like, Jesus, That door was revolving in and out, in and out. Do you think that part of that is like we never managed to keep people at our facility either. I mean, we were going through a lot of good people. That door was revolving in and

21:00 decision. The decision being made, you're the muscle to execute who's owned it now for 52 I don't think I should get sued for saying then you're like me and you're in a shit place. he make decisions? Like, does he have a background in marine biology? Like, does he make educated But at the end of the day, obviously there's a financial aspect to the decision-making.

23:00 You're not going to 007 your way out of this Yeah. that's, that is more accommodating to them. Go back there and see what's, what's happened That's not really serving this animal a lot of Like that's a whole lifetime of shit for an animal. Think about what we can do to some of the most obvious intelligent animals on our planet that we're different from.

25:10 as comfortable as possible, bearing in mind always comes down, I don't want that. We're obviously intelligent enough to figure out how to get them. Like, why are you holding on to me? the bottom line is it depends if they're a good And the other ones that are just like, the same for me, they're cutting out and there's nothing you can do. They just starve themselves to death. I've seen it so many times. Wow. it eating and then days later, why is this animal dead? Did not want to be in captivity.

27:01 That destroyed me. is the decision making that's going on up there. that own these places and say hey you know what we're doing is really fucked up i don't have a Get out of my office. Yeah. the humanity of the whole thing. Okay, put it in. and the mother polar bear and they get the bad guy. That's what this fight's about. Like the reality of what the zoo is just was inescapable, the sadness of it all.

30:30 and they would run around fucking each other and grabbing bananas and shit. suddenly start protecting animals from other we release them. We're like, be free, monster. that they can't just for a second sit down and stare at that animal's eyes just for a second. you know i like hunting animals i like eating animals i've been a meat eater my Now it's not replicated.

32:50 People are not interested in seeing that no more. and I think the amount that it's changing us There's a lot of confirmation bias because of it. But it's like the inevitable aberrations It's there. But they must know something we don't, so it must be perfectly accommodating. That's really fucking mean. He was a nice guy, man. That guy's a dick. These tarantulas that aren't even people.

35:25 They pay people very little money to train ants and they get these ants to do flips. Well, they pay people very little money to train them. They pay people very little money to train ants. And they convince those people who are legitimately you're the muscle to execute it. What did you do that you got in trouble for? And so the quitting was like amidst what was like

36:36 I was trying to stop. So then you got to, you just say. A Blackfish Don is the senior trainer here at Shamu Stadium. out the young ones this is the worst thing that i've ever done when tilikum arrived at sea world don't you think you'd get a little psychotic? You should just watch that. I mean, that's a scary endeavor. They want to know why. the scariest,

40:39 I'm not touching that. The decision I made, Go ahead. Simple as that. We had serious short staffing issues over the years. I mean, I watched that department go like this. And instead of dumping the water, So then we're, so amidst that, you know, the water disinfection unit breaks in, let's say Ozone, the way it works, it works in conjunction good idea to put a shit ton of chlorine in and

43:35 Some serious damage done. I think we'll leave it at that for now. okay, what are we doing here? Can't do it. And I've been working my ass off, made a big stink, and we're still jobs. And then you're gone. Like, this disgusting beast. It's so off. Like Tilikum was the nicest orca ever. How do they do that? Wow. Just come to Ontario, dig a hole. Boom.

47:08 Like, are they making like a new dolphin world? Yeah. I think they're dumb killing machines Yeah, maybe, but it doesn't seem like there's any natural I mean, occasionally you'll see an article online about the garbage patch in the Pacific Just Texas-sized areas that are filled with shit. They're like, look, it's not that big a deal. It's like a lot of the plastic sort of dissolves this weird consistency, and animals wind up eating it.

49:33 but it's a major island for these albatrosses. whatever, whatever. It's not my responsibility that's exercised the second anyone them and making sandwiches with dolphins. but they allegedly make things very difficult It was costing them a lot of money for information to continue to be leaked. Since the lawsuits, former employees and certainly current employees are not talking.

52:07 And in the news article, she, as a former employee They can sue me for anything that you're concerned when you're a trainer? They can sue me for anything. That's another couple of thousand dollars. Do you have got to submit a statement of defense. Is that possible? I know, I know. Don't pull up any of that shit. I know that they've made a living doing this for a long time,

53:59 You're enslaving intelligent animals. people are now just like, whoa, like what? Again, the industry controlled the information for so long. And basically these agencies get the shit kicked out of them. when a human is allowed to be transferred to another facility, With the animals, of course. That's so dark. has generated a tremendous amount of money,

56:09 Everybody keeps doing the same thing over and over again because it's always been a viable job. get these laws. Like what? We're going to enhance our animal protection. down the street gets a job from the facility OSPCA, 5 million extra dollars a year to What does that stand for? And write a fine or something. job should ever come, is going to turn around

58:38 Is that what you're saying? out of. That's hilarious. donating money to the cops. really, really beat the shit gentleman by the name of, uh, shit, I'm the friends in the liberal government, so is a friend of the owners as well. They're throwing lawsuits around like candy at yeah, I'm going to do something. lawsuit. Oh shit. Well, she can't talk to me.

1:01:43 You're going up against a machine that generates money and has a bunch of people that are profiting from it, right? And when did your scenario, when did you get fired and when did it all come to pass? Do you eat meat? So it makes it less appetizing. They just lay them. You can get organic eggs. and help them along their way. I don't think a lot of people know that though.

1:04:16 has zero problem with stuffing a thousand It depends what perspective you're exercising. I went to a butchering house, a slaughterhouse, I guess, once for a Fear Factor stunt. My buddy worked for the Canadian Food And I'm like, they're so delicious though. So hot dogs are like all like kneecaps. That's the last thing I need now too. I couldn't believe he could do it.

1:06:49 Well, that Kobayashi guy, He had to pay a marathon runner We're so kind. That's the problem. In the UK, yeah. So guess what? I mean, we can't really discuss it any further Oh, yeah. What do they think? These are like really big, scary bills. Like these are, I could, I could have bought half a house at this point, but instead pumping this money into defending against plotting to steal a walrus. I mean, that's a peculiar thing to, to, to defend against, but it doesn't matter what I'm defending against.

1:09:13 Then maybe I'm guilty. Um, no, I think I can. That picture, She's a big pillow. Russia. vet sticks a needle in there, vet or trainer, someone, and they go to take on them, physically jump, grab them, vet sticks a needle You might, as you can imagine, these guys are She started to follow me after that. She's just following me because this just made her nervous.

1:11:20 so that you can be identified in, you know, She was just a baby while this was all going down. So this animal, I imprinted on her. It's crazy. That's crazy. physical manifestations of stress. She developed this uncontrollable, regurgitating issue. to created some problems. It manifested in like, you know, physical So there was, there was a lot of challenges that that relationship posed.

1:13:24 So I tried to train all the other people on this, you know, that's tough, man, to see what she's going through. She's still alive right now. She comes out and she looks for me. what can I do? She needs me. Okay, I can move on as long as I can keep her from dying. I was feeling a lot of anxiety about this whole thing. since her arrival in 2004 was 10 days.

1:16:23 Family here. time in the park. Can you bring me something had happened at the administrative end where Phil can't come in no more. So I know what's going on. Walruses need water. like, are you fucking kidding me? because of that regurgitation issue. So we give her her appetite stimulants You're hurt by something, This is fucked up. They can't not. and you're her mother, if she doesn't see you, she just die without you? I mean, if she's imprinted to you and you're her mother,

1:19:38 She's enormous. And these are all from the Black Sea? Yeah, people eat them. continue to go on like it's just so this is her following me she's calling for me here never going to see the snow unless you bring in a shovel full of snow in the last 15 minutes. very little about animals. politically there's a lot, there's a lot of As far as black shit,

1:21:59 Yeah. This is great. Everything's going to be eradicated. I think it'll be out there for quite a while. and change, some power. again the animals that i don't want to talk about as animals the these these marine wizards these Not whacked off, whacked out Same thing. Yeah. Can't do it. I put a waffle down. I put ice cream, bacon,go waffle. I put, I suppose it doesn't have to be an Eggo waffle. I put a waffle down.

1:24:35 I feel he's fat shaming. I'm like, wow, bacon and ice cream. They're so sweet. It's off his funding page. when they're released into the wild, within three weeks they start to morph. Within three weeks they start the metamorphosis. They're used to this. And it was successful. I mean, it was probably A lot of people, like your sea-willed But I don't think it has to do with the longevity of how long you live, as much as the quality of life.

1:27:30 And it's not just because of hunters. and hopefully a couple of them will make it to next year, They're the top, man. Fuck the orcas. It imprisons, it fucks, or it eats. Come on, man. It's okay to kill babies. I think we have to get worried if orcas grow legs If they could live in Seattle where it rains all the time, That's the new Sharknado. They only need, like,

1:30:04 Their arms stretch out. They just go into cocoons and They develop paws. They figure out how to run. Their arms stretch out. We don't know what's going on. Come bring it, bitch. Come bring it, Orcus. They know what they're doing. Jumping off killer whales, like on TV. I didn't pluck them out of the ocean But you are a part of something I mean the people who are a hard to feel guilt for doing that. Well, I don't think you should feel guilt. I don't think guilt does anybody any good. But you are

1:32:10 of what it was like to work at a marine animal facility Who's going to do something? Great. Will you wind up in debt? at least had as much a hand in like allowing Hey, this could be a great risk of me. And I hate to call it animal, but this being that you share this bond with. And, you know, and especially emotionally, I mean, in that classic story,

1:34:40 You're going to tell me this shit. This is fucking Canoga Park, son. The big roads? I had a Jeep. an issue about recalls. Yeah, there's a fuel tank recall Jeeps to Lamborghinis. That's a serious range. Chrysler says the trailer hitches will protect the gas tanks, You know, those Tesla S's. It's like environmentally friendly. You're getting lithium from the Congo.

1:37:55 Vice Magazine has done several pieces on the Congo and how it runs down there. They're awesome. to bring booze panel on the roof so the solar panel actually charges up your radio and your dashboard and your display and everything like that. They fucking burst into flames, man. That's a very dangerous car. And he got out of the Carrera GT and he was like, that car scared me. This is a scary

1:40:14 including Jay Leno spun his out at Talladega he has a he has a Carrera GT he has like you know I think it's one of those cars that's just I mean that they're not that wide. And this fucking thing, I had the GT500 from the previous years. use, into value, like that? One of the cool things about those Okay, so within those three seconds, then there's value.

1:42:15 They fucking handle horrible. You're a half twist on the wrist, and you're already, like, They like it. bop, bop, bop, bop. And you're so tuned in when you drive something that's that fast all the time. Yeah, Jay Leno spinning. Ow. Yeah, well, he was obviously turning. he didn't hit the wall, Well, when you're driving You have to be able to balance that out.

1:44:35 And until you have that, or if the conditions are bad, Bop, bop, bop. You're right. They're so aerodynamically sound. Mercedes-looking thing, big spaceship-looking thing. twin turbo, 5,000 pound vehicles or whatever the fuck they weigh. They learn all that. Well, they're getting into insane levels. Like, wow, 0 to 60 in 4 seconds. the 911 Turbo S, the new one,

1:47:35 Is it going to be 0 to 60 instantly? Gone. Right now, the fastest way to get somewhere you could send files going places, Where do you think this whole controversy and I shut the hell up. I'm never going to talk about you again. So this is the fourth campaign that I've launched. He's my homeboy. charity. I'm confused. Oh, so they quit. shit, we're being supported big time.

1:50:25 there comes a point where the power swings. That's the function of a slap suit. If I got the monies and I bleed them dry, drop the suit. They've done it historically. Right. That's the, that's the function of a they had to provide video of orcas beating about a lot of things, exonerating us. us, make us broke, drop the suit, go. Everyone's listening.

1:51:44 Let's start opening books. Opening financial books see, you want to have a look inside? Let's start opening books. I mean, there's a bunch of things that apply It's not good for the human race. and enforcing the laws, He's got money? how much money does he have, really? We get the monies. I've been backed into a corner. Anti-slap meaning that it stops these kind of lawsuits?

1:53:49 They're trying to get me to pony up for this shot two pets these dogs come running in, these two pets golden Golden retrievers. Golden labs, golden retrievers. So the guy who was very brave One of the, Boom, boom. But nonetheless, I mean. I told you off the hop. Every Golden Lab I've met wants to give you a kiss when you get close to it. Dude, that's harsh, man.

1:56:03 These stories, there's a shit ton. There's actually video of the dogs. Buddy got sued. Your buddy. Some really shitty things going on. They have bears. football movie or something like that there was a bear in that movie a trained bear his bear had This is terrible. I can tell you right now, looking at that I don't want to see anymore. Same as any animal.

1:58:40 She's like, what? fuck, man. So I was pissed at Jim in my I was out of pocket. Can't do it no more. brings out a bullhorn. Then he starts interacting It's a slap suit. Of course. there's always these freaking images and I'm That's, that's out. In the worst ways. in the gallons is done. Oh, dude, why are you bumming me out? Big mistake. Of course. So let's play that video and I'll come back while it's on.

2:02:24 or somebody who's just In May of 2012, I got a phone call from someone who said that there was a lawyer with 15 whistleblowers and it was their feeling that problems that had existed with the water, And one day I walked in and walked out, Mayer, is bringing in a program. One, it's her hope to license zoos and aquariums in and I know they have a lot of supporters. When I did these stories and Liam and I worked together, we were writing

2:06:05 they're not going to reveal too much. there's a little money paid out, and we'll promote it on this podcast TV out there and people obsess over they can't believe that this scripted In Argentina or in LA? Yeah, they do it all over the world now, right? Donkey Kong and shit. Oh, congratulations. Thanks. That's awesome. It was on the cover of CNN for a while.

2:08:18 I hope we helped raise awareness. I really appreciate you having the balls to do it. Thanks, man. you can't well in the lawsuit in the lawsuit they're alleging i'm really pissed off because They say that, but don't say that. How could they prevent you from earning a living? It was going to tell the Phil and Smooshy story. Ratings. Well, from a reality TV show.

2:10:51 they won't but a lot of people have been scared a lot of people have been scared so you allege There's a real disconnect with the way we view these animal parks, and I think they're fucked up. Boom, bitches. Use the offer code JRE. We've got a lot of people coming up next week, with the lovely and talented how's it going again? since the 80s. and if people want to

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