Joe Rogan Experience #433 — Duncan Trussell, Chris Ryan Transcript

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0:00 Boredom, you were saying, Duncan Trussell, is a form of anger? You don't want to be there. And the idea is like, no, that's an illusion. But if you really want to get out of where you're at, When people are giving me ear beatings because like i gotta piss dude can you excuse me i gotta piss do you. Can you excuse me? I got a piss. In my impeccable French accent.

3:17 was supposed to speak deepak chopra was there all these big shots the day i was supposed to speak i And I'm barging in on this thing. have done the same thing but i was would you would have done the same thing, but I was on the wrong end. Yeah, it's escape hatches. But you need like a subtle What was that? Okay. go hey fuck all the phone would be like dude yeah really what did you think we were saying

6:14 I've got to listen to them yap But it is a dirty thing to do to just store everyone's everything in some database somewhere. And all of those things, when And then you denied it when it came out. us, supposedly I mean, it is the narrative. no legs are heroes. NSA logo that went flying around fucking they're like not trying to pretend to realize, oh, I can eat this one.

9:08 We're in some strange state of universal ocean. And that's the wave motions. Is that phony? Well there's already a bunch of shit Yeah. Like that shit with Terrence McKenna being in the fucking CIA. in the 60s. I hadn't heard it. Jan's take on his literal yon's take on his recruiting for the fbi which did he say anything with Gordon Wasson I'll fax my resume to you.

12:20 Yeah, yeah. But if you look at it, most likely that's not what was going on. Also, isn't it ridiculous? I mean, i mean or fbi or whatever the fuck they can use you without you ever even knowing you're being used yeah sure like a lot of peace corps people well i think you know Overlord that I fucking work for that pays my bills and couldn't give two fucks about me or the psychedelic bard who?

14:27 When you hear McKenna talk about it, when he's talking about visual acuity, the fact that it makes them hornier. on anybody you know, you can't deny Because you believe anything's possible. There's a doubling of the human brain size over 2 million years that directly coincides with this receding of the rainforest in the grassland and experimenting with all these new food sources.

16:50 savannah and one of the ways of hunting is to run the deer down right because we can persist much and suddenly your car has now five wheels. designed to do that, but in fact, it's a byproduct of something else. And ultimately, of course, Well, that's David Icke. I don't know. Do you know? I saw that episode. That's the idea You've got to have something

19:45 But you're not going to run into a snake. So that reptilian thing is like a reflection of this weird, residual, neural horror story They just don't. You've met his dog, right? But all those things are going on all at the same time. Just annihilates the ocean of fish to the point where tuna are coming back radiated. If we watched us from afar, objectively, we would be like,

22:56 You know what I mean? It's like before humans, planet Earth fucked some disgusting other planet. Well, maybe so. Or maybe we got offloaded or something 4-fox-4-oloxy-N-N-diamethyltryptamine. It doesn't mean that it couldn't have been just a unique fungus. You're a dirty bitch. Not during the holidays. that's what you're saying like as a charity you should let yeah because otherwise you're

25:55 I met a guy. the conservation of energy in the universe and energy is never made, that these things always equal out to zero. And our great mistake as a civilization is thinking Your heart's pounding in your chest. are high as fuck those guys get high they they actually keep marijuana off The art that you make gives you a certain sensitivity to physical movements.

28:07 When you get really high, do you kind of see things, like, The rose-tinted glasses. How high are you getting, son? Well, this whole room is orange. He's like, that kid's crazy. and his version of events was just so not what actually happened. No, I know what you mean. Because if you like – because that just adds to the problem. crashed. And quite often, I think that could be a very good thing. I think that having your personality or your ego crash can often mean that you were trying to be somebody that you aren't.

31:21 I don't even know who that is. that they're holding up to the world. tranquility and all that stuff. And everyone thinks that the way to get to that point is by avoiding What you're describing is coming out of the closet. Some people are fucking accountants. times, but it's, it's better to be an honest street sweeper than a dishonest king. This suit is an X suit.

34:12 This is a cool thing at this retreat I went to. Cool with a K. would say why do we do this and he said so that when your heart breaks they'll pain avoiding creatures so we think that so we're always running away from this the more likely you are to run into something that's actually going to hurt you, That's the classic story of someone hiding a secret and going completely out of control because of the pressure of hiding that.

36:28 Woo-hoo! What I would say is that his behavior was so extreme because he was seeking balance between that and the other bullshit in his life. Stop being like this. yeah what about fucking jeffrey dahmer is he perfect well what about the leopard when you're He's an absolute fashionista. But how can you say that if you haven't experienced it? You know, it doesn't come up in a GQ interview.

39:08 What the fuck, man? Isn't that your whole show? Why are you dragging this into butt sex? How about that? of the dog's penis get it back out. If we had like a rhino horn that depositing spots and places where you get food. Guys get broken dicks all the time. You got to be really careful. It's just a girl who can generate too much force. Yeah. They're scared of the truth.

41:55 He's a stand-up comic who was on Fox News. It's just a festival of ignorance what why a it? It's just a festival of ignorance. Robots malfunctioning. How are you? It's almost like it's scripted. Yeah. Well, the only way you can live that fake life is if it's fake. This puritanical ideal May I quote? he planted 30 years ago well even then well even Yeah, you don't hear about Iran-Contra and Nicaragua and El Salvador and all the crazy shit.

45:53 but then if anywhere on the internet You watch the commercials, and it's like people go in and buy a car. billboards for fucking um like amazon.com shows you know like billboards for shows that aren't Yeah, but it's not. If you have a laptop that has a camera on it, sort of one of the more fascinating things about this is that even if Amazon does put something online, it's no better than iJustine who has like 45 fucking billion followers and every video she puts.

48:48 here's what people do when they're healthy. And that creates a tuning fork effect, which is like, Your podcast is a tuning fork. which is what the Internet's, I think, one of the major things the Internet has done. Because I think a lot of these people aren't even, you know, like the Raymond Politician. and liked it way too much if someone sucked his dick and it's his favorite moment he looks back

51:16 That's why they call it a duck blind. Can you imagine a shame reducer man because your book i think it has been it's such a compassionate book for people her anymore or she must not love me anymore what's that have to do with fucking ducks country music That's the glue Communist A&E used to be like Fucking masterpiece that what it's on? I think it's A&E. Isn't that hilarious? It's on A&E.

53:18 Now it's fucking people that found a storage box. I can't give you $500. Wow, I wonder what his last offer is going to be. they had one of these satellites with 700 channels, time was like 34 episodes, 34 They became good friends, It's a family, right? There's no reason to think that it's going to elevate anything in any way. ridiculous things they had to eat.

55:53 Him and Matt Kunitz. to being... It was so ramped But all I know is they were starting had to find the right key, like this giant ring of keys. But that's really not that big of a deal. people when they're when they're breaking like at at the point where they can't tolerate anymore and they give up. This guy might not be the most skilled fighter. He's very skillful. Might not be the most skilled, but he's one of the most crazy

58:48 you can find if you google search like guys fried and sauna or something i don't know what it is but You die at a spa? Yeah. You see, like, people who rise to the occasion and people who doubt themselves. that are trying to drag him to the ground and carry that ball across the line. I mean, I think that's a big one. It's just these two. How do you know it's true, Duncan?

1:00:51 Both of us in the sauna, and we were alone. Exactly. Really strong athletic. There you go. That guy's dying right there? so humans get lured into awful things i gotta pee here yeah that is a weird thing man darwin award Well, what's weirder, this or dying in a super marathon, one of those hundred marathon, you know, hundred mile marathons and your fucking heart gives out.

1:03:03 And what he meant was you can survive anything I'm talking about that. He was like, you know, only white people die bungee jumping and, you know, like motorcycle jumping and all this. They're terrified of bears and shit. if you live in an incredibly dangerous environment like Africa and you're looking at white people and getting in those fucking wingsuits and flying through downtown Brazil.

1:04:50 It's so awesome. I don't remember but it was something ridiculous like a pawn of the Dark Lord. It's just hilarious. Yeah. And certainly no acid. Pull your shirt up and join in. It's not their fault that the fucking people who hired him didn't really know what they were getting. that sarah silverman says shit that's offensive well what was her premise what was she uh going

1:07:54 I'm going to adopt children with terminal illnesses. There's a real problem with people pretending that You take that out. The camp. Yeah, it's always that. There's a balance, and there's off-color subjects that are absolutely done hilarious, the good comedy right you need bad experiences i think the good comedy. Exactly, right. You need bad experiences.

1:10:30 you're too tired to give it yeah look this has been choking me all night okay leaving okay so um I don't want it to be complex. But doesn't it atrophies? It's like a drag racer or a race car that you could develop into a race car. a good workout it's a real workout like you's a real workout. Like, you start to, like, walking up hills all day, man, you get fucking exhausted.

1:12:51 he's got a VO2 max of a high-level endurance athlete, Yeah. and drag it out of there. Terrible. Well, and because of the absence of predators, which humans killed. And the deal is you can never get out of your car because there are leopards and lions and all sorts of crocs and shit everywhere. you're the most likely to get eaten by an animal. hunting over there is is that's responsible for a great deal the money

1:15:39 But they have African wild animals that are running around, like Sitka deer and shit, running around Axis deer, running around in Texas. They have no idea you're a threat. And the guy is about to shoot the lion, and the lion charges. that premise. All the different Listen to you, woes me. But, like, I'm just but uh they're more doing that with for me was movement and travel

1:18:32 point and it started to be like well you know what another stamp in my passport really doesn't it as well yeah it's it's a cool thing and i'm really glad you're doing as well i mean it's it's it's so different. Yeah, my dad's a fucking asshole. And I think that exists now en masse. Yeah, it's definitely. I wonder what it's gonna evolve into I cuz it's still

1:21:35 This guy's giving me the tools to re-approach my way of looking at the very thing I do for a living. You know, you could get that you gather the prose and, you know, you can kind of paint the. there's an immediacy to it. Yeah. there's all this suppression. that we come at these things from. And Christopher Ryan said that this is – and then boom and that branches out and then it spreads from there.

1:25:11 And completely randomly, right? That's fucking badass. since we're all sort of in the same, Yeah. Duncan's got to go to the bathroom again. There's only a few that are like an hour or more, just slightly more. I mean, people are just so like enthusiastic and supportive and cool. and the tradition of putting plates in your lips really easy to do. And you see that in

1:27:51 But they're a bunch of men talking shit. But they created that somehow or another with their intentions, with their broadcast, with what they put out in their broadcast. you're killing me you know it's like it's be kind until you hit that and be like, look, guys, we got a lot of food here we're fine i mean this is a vibrant ecosystem there's no predators we can

1:29:57 we would ultimately figure out a way to work it out. And always super cool and always like, you know I would never say anything on purpose to hurt your feelings. You're not following my fucking rules. Piggy. Burt Reynolds fucked a kid? I don't remember the basis of the story, but it was a historical event. So I take it you're not a fan of The Walking Dead?

1:32:40 Humans never organized themselves into wolf packs. Oh, God Lone wolves gathered together. If you want to truly be happy, you need the people around you to like you. And so that's a base assumption. Because if you're not giving back to the group, And it's why kids are so cruel with each other when they reject each other when they're at play. The question is,

1:35:27 is a personality constructed by people everybody you can't fix the world but i'm just saying no no but here's you know you're right bad. If you stop and think about your interactions with people on a daily basis, there's very few fucking head you can't process that it's too goddamn big why don't you just think about the And if I understand what Duncan is saying.

1:38:14 It doesn't mean you have to not be annoyed by them. So there's something about you that's interesting. Because probably for your entire life, when you get around douchebags, you either aggressively attack them, passive aggressively attack them, or try to get out of their presence. which makes everyone think they're a douchebag. The world they wander through is a world of faces

1:40:19 It lasted. I know that this person has gotten gotten this way because you know who knows yeah it's it's it's it's a it's it's an observer. You know, maintain the state for two minutes. the problem is there's not enough time and you know the real problem the number one real problem It's protection. negate the whole the whole issue it's no fun man when you start when you compassion if you're if

1:43:50 Have you heard of the continuum concept? By caressing your child, you create pathology. in these incubators, these isolation tanks, and they weren't allowing the mothers to even pick 25% death rate Come in your eyes and then crash into a tree. thing a few days ago some some like computer designer or somebody who was working in the She just landed and it got picked up

1:47:09 Why would you do that? he's south african speaking of weird stuff what about the steve martin thing do you hear about What is wrong with that? You do know. I go, it doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with being black, but you can tell when you're talking to a lot of people on the phone, you can tell if the guy's black. Exactly. No one's saying bad or worse.

1:49:21 There's a lot of super intelligent people. Why is he retracting that? He doesn't want anybody's feelings to be hurt. This whole thing was very unique. It's like the Beatles stopped touring He's clearly a big fan of this author. is dismissive. Yeah. He's a, you know, he's a brilliant guy and a great movie comedian. He's also got great books of short comedy essays that are hilarious.

1:52:31 Straight or comedy? He's done some serious movies. For that role? He's a good actor, and it's surprising. It's nonsense. The preview? And he turned into a monkey. Yeah. Remember that? I saw it a long time ago. He's so crazy. I don't know what this werewolf Vision being How hot is she? of every person and development. It's radiation poisoning. The bullet must have been laced with it. The

1:57:03 You need to get me online. They don't know the danger. Wow. Just show me Jennifer Lawrence. You're reaching out to Jennifer Lawrence through Joe Rogan's podcast. Whatever it takes. The new movie about the guy who falls in love with the computer program? I want to vomit. There's some kind of latency between when you move your head and when it registers that you've moved your head, and it's in milliseconds.

1:59:35 just put on the Oculus Rift hope they don't go CGI and fuck it up. That's the second one, I believe. Because I watched it, actually. in that it's a time capsule. Like old Star Trek episodes or Twilight Zone. The Love Boat. Thank you, Jamie. There's no more creepy, freaky ideas. Look up Nosferatu. It just makes them. Ever since you told me, you pointed out the fact that in Twilight, this vampire is hundreds

2:02:54 That doesn't make any sense. Oh, my God. She was like 14 or 15 years old, and she was going up and doing stand-up. And they're like, I went to high school with this bitch. What a great story. I don't know if she changed her name. start happening more and more with the age regression mice. They want to start human trials in a year. I do think it's real.

2:05:32 in mice. People could be next. is like a married couple the communication breakdown is caused by lower levels of the chemical called NAD, which decreases I'll take it. You thought Viagra was bad. Can't this be the ultimate social utopia when there is no ageism anymore? Back in the game. Do you think they're just more realistic, more relaxed, more confident?

2:07:49 Can we just watch TV? They did say that the cost of the treatment would be insane, like hundreds of thousands of dollars. 1,000 times more powerful than humans Because no one saw this coming 10 years ago. We still don't have anything to say to each other. I feel like we're going in the wrong direction. No. The great demise Look here we are Cut to three years from now,

2:10:41 Yeah, yeah. What are you talking about? happens. It never happens. We're working more hours now than we were then. The standard of Powdered wigs are coming back. blood into my kerchief and watching everyone around me dying and eaten by rats. My kerchief. Yeah. earlier what about all the stuff we said about communication about the access to information

2:12:45 Like if you go through with this, you're at the door of a revolution. And they did. And that's never happened before. But see, you see that as a out of Iraq. How about everybody just back the fuck off and stop trying to invade everything all at once? And they did. You know, the National Guard never went anywhere overseas until Bush, you know. And you know what I mean?

2:14:28 Some are. Some are happier. But if we're talking about progress for the human race or human species, then we are talking about all people. But once you start talking about the entire world, if we're really responsible for that, I'll tell you better. Here's better for me. I can go on audible.com, download an audio book greater than it ever was, that if somebody really wants to plug in and transform themselves, they

2:16:57 And that doesn't change. I think the as a happy human being is always a difficult pursuit. than ever before comes in they're able to create But essentially, they're trying to mimic It's fascinating to watch people break down But none of it matters if we're not getting information about government, about the inner the point where there's no boundary, everyone's going to be accountable.

2:19:54 If you live today in this world, that is the case. Yeah, Glenn Greenwald for life. And he was talking about how he was on Meet the Press and how David Gregory essentially called for him to be arrested and put in prison for being a journalist. Which is what he was accusing You know, at some dinner party, Journalism destroyed itself. There's this new access and this new thirst for information. It's very different than anything

2:22:23 Whether it comes from that, whether it comes from there was a recent story about how the drug war is a complete and total fucking joke based on the fact that these banks that have been caught laundering money. They're trying to fill up jails. You're more educated. reality or some utopian I mean, the thing is, these conversations get complicated because anyone I'm talking to always says something like know, something like, oh, I don't want is Outrageous HSBC Settlement

2:24:31 Since Hunter S. Thompson. Greatest journalist of all time. But in my world, 100%. exhausted. They don't have time to read Matt Taibbi because they got to like change the diapers I figured it out. We don't have jobs. They were talking about this thing that you're doing. And the thing is, like, He was an apostate. That's beautiful. That's so sad. he should be. And like, in this documentary,

2:28:04 he's in the hallway walking with some thing, except that he's pretending to be drunk. Have you ever seen comics that get a shot of water and pretend it's tequila on stage? Anyway, I can't defend it because... He's faking it. theories recently i think it's the only power we we get that actually becomes stronger as we age. That's part of what they do is they get around people and they do some incredibly untraditional weird thing that doesn't

2:30:41 What did she think about him being a boozer or drinking and she's just like what can i say he was a great teacher and he like taught me the dharma he taught me buddhism so like And so they told him, well, there's this guy, Tilopa, in this fishing village. and years. And, like, finally, this mythology or half mythology or whatever it is, The moment you do that, you've cut out so much in the world.

2:33:04 And that's the essence of a koan, right? in India he found this teacher who didn't speak any German or English right but he just saw this And he never understood what the guy was saying. You're already awake. water hit a puddle and suddenly they gain the transmission and wake up. appears to him and says, Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me? And at that moment, he realizes

2:36:33 And the excuse he used was this hallucination of some magical being that came to him. They're so clearly prose. They're so clearly a work of fiction. They're so clearly prose. i mean how how old are the original stories they're goddamn ancient who knows but i mean I'm like, oh, sure he did. Yes. is. A placebo triggers The idea that there's a tangible, quantifiable result that comes from a certain type of thinking.

2:39:34 I spoke at a scientific conference once, psychoneuroimmunology. saccharin in the water and let them drink the saccharin. And as soon as they drank the saccharin, generation and the third generation have the same response. Whoa, without having any exposure to saccharin. but it's somehow the DNA gets trained by the experience, So there are triggering mechanisms that are more easily shifted than the genetic

2:42:19 like shift in the morphic field, some kind of field that exists outside of like I'm just not, I'm not convinced that he's right either. I don't think they've been replicated anywhere. You can't keep saying that. Is it really? They had no contact with each other because they couldn't swim across. It jumped. that sperms aren't murderers i never heard sperm attack other people's sperm yeah there was never

2:45:58 That's where the tang comes through. Baker and Bellis went way too far. suction out other dudes jizz the plunger lean back yeah it's got is the actual head of the penis designed to suction out other dudes' jizz. The plunger penis. Send in your own troops. What's that about? the talk i've given all over the place there there's the sort of laugh moment, the pivot of the whole talk, is this slide where I've been showing charts of testicle size and penis design and all this stuff.

2:48:31 And it says, It was really fun You think they're going to be offended. Yeah To compensate? They're like the most working out animals ever. and fascinating and interesting. Graham Hancock. When I did that You're getting Silverman Fucking pretty goddamn awesome podcast. Hey, Merry Christmas. And Duncan Trussell is, of course, Duncan Trussell. Nobody can spell that shit.

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