Joe Rogan Experience #436 — Stefan Molyneux Transcript

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0:00 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! of different things, but no need would deal with this. I wonder what your And it's sad because everybody seriously thinks that it's going to be somebody else who's taxed. So we miss the whole reality of what's going on. I don't mind paying a lot of taxes. I don't mind paying a lot of taxes. when you give me a fucking complete analysis

2:32 and the children are all living peacefully Same with the guy with the sign, the homeless sign in the corner that like, If it's possible for you to get a job, thing around poverty. Hey, wouldn't it be great to only work 16 hours a week, especially if your options are And people get all the benefits out of not working, which are considerable. real issue that I've always had with people shitting on people who are poor or people who live in poor neighborhoods for not getting out. It's very difficult to break a

5:22 like a legal pusher. Absolutely. It's terrible. I don't think there's an either or, but I think there's definitely a bit of that. Yeah, yeah. taught martial arts, so I've always had a weird life. I've always been, I just knew but you know, I'm going to do it after I pass the bar. For me, there was none of that. There And then if you fail, at least you won't say,

8:18 A safety net is a noose. everyone encounters difficulties. There is no easy road. It does not exist. It is impossible. When you give yourself an escape. this before the podcast starts that that is what makes you a person. And those difficult moments I met a guy like this. they just have fucking, and the guy is a mess. You could just slap him in the face. You could

11:30 kill us makes us stronger. You know, I mean, oh, wow, that really did give me an appreciation And you say, what do you say? It's very hard, and it's also very hard when a child grows up with no doubt. It's one of the worst. But we're always this way, aren't we? how things get better. At the moment we're satisfied with something, we immediately set them, drives them, freaks them out right now can be set aside.

14:51 And in the communist utopia or the fascist utopia or, you know, For the existence that we currently provide for ourselves, yes, I agree 100%. I mean, he's talking about this utopian world, I didn't listen to them. And then, yeah, he did go a little bit, I thought, ballistic in some of the post-debate, let's say, analysis. and his merry band of elven robots,

16:59 I don't care. white. Look, if it was very easy and straightforward, it would have been done already. It's not. It's Do you know how much charity work that guy does? How much money he donates to causes that he feels It doesn't mean that the idea of the system is completely fucked. We're going to die anyway. We're gonna die anyway. So they feel everybody needs to be forced to do it.

20:03 know, five billion dollar plate dinners, whatever, for Barack topic. It's a fascinating topic. it really can't be overemphasized. Literally hundreds of millions of people have come out in terms of letting them do what they want to do Do you need like 27 permits to open a lemonade stand but I think that it's hard to undermine what Bill Gates has done for people that can't afford things.

22:56 and so on, which would have hired people. That solved the problem of poverty. Aren't they teaching people in that sense, though? They're providing a possibility for I mean South Africa is now like the rape capital of the world, But generally, it goes government to government, right? all that kind of stuff. That really is inhibited. Charity will help people stuck in the sort

25:38 and the farmers then grow too much crap. And then there's no local farming left. is the subsidies, but everybody, you know, lobby and focus their efforts, right? And so what happened is when the fat out of the stuff that's in the grocery store and they put sugar or high fructose corn Some fat is actually important. Where are you going to store 20 years from now.

28:19 and you start talking about You've got to jump through government hoops and loops. Oh, God. have to put anything back. You don't have this thing where if the corporation or if you do And in the past, if you were the head of a trading company and your trading company lost money, you could lose your house. I mean it's a wretched, unfair system that has nothing to do with the free market.

30:44 on some And it's just people figuring out a way to extract money and manipulating the system We grew this company. rather than focusing on satisfying your... It's completely insane. What happens if you don't put money in your 401K? want to be in the stock market. Nobody I know wants to be in the stock market, but we all have It's like, OK, give it to the stockbrokers.

34:25 It's pretty strong. It's going to have a lot more energy. So this is just natural. you drug a ballerina, you get a weird show. That's a huge debate, the free will debate, when it comes to free will. At the end of it, you could just press a button Yell at security or yell. He's good at disassembling people if he needs to. Yeah, and some person is just shitting on him that's remarkably similar to Paris Hilton.

37:34 It's that old saying, like, you think that you hit a triple, but you were born on third base. It was all like the fallout from like the 60s and 70s feminist revolution. What did I know when I was 16? aiming. And so It wasn't my family's fault. If I'd been born, as you said, you know, different race, different country, different culture. The best predictor for the growth of empathy in a human being

40:36 mothers, but the issue is really that the father isn't around. Whether or not it was the mother's 31. That's the ritual. Okay, so if you... This is a completely broad-ended question. Okay. Yeah. That doesn't make any sense. We sit at odd angles. Oh, I don't know about that. I don't want to give you a statistic. But we have facts to mediate. And then the woman calls the lawyer.

44:24 where she leaves you. There's weak bitches on both sides. They want to protect the ones that they love. people that are that are capable of committing violence against women and rape. You know, like a woman like Ronda Rousey, UFC champion, I mean, she'd break his arm off. was a bunch of women who raped a guy, they got him drunk and sucked his dick for an hour and a half,

47:01 But because it's a woman, it's a tragedy. Right. themselves and it becomes like you're facing a werewolf. Okay, so a lot of points. They're raping men and they're raping women. The real problem with that – that's the MRA argument against feminism is that men actually get raped more than women. knowledge. Most people, I was surprised. Again, certainly no gauge of everyone. Also, as you probably know, like 96, 97, 98% of workplace deaths are male and all that kind of stuff,

49:29 I say that in all jest. There's weapons, ladies and gentlemen, there's knives and there's guns and every sleep sometime. They get angry at each other, and it happens with both sexes, Like causation does not – people want to pretend there's not like a relation between those two. It's like it's not a black and white thing. People are different. trying to exercise the stress out of your life,

52:09 and the person is eating fucking donuts all day, listen, man, you've got more to offer the world. when you do who doesn't. And what the statistic that you brought up before the podcast was over 41 out of 4 women on antidepressants. I think that the standards are kind of raising, right? There's a lot of other shit you need to cover. That's true. But so, yeah, I mean, like 30% of women still are only breastfeeding for the minimum amount of time, six months.

55:33 I just read this statistic the other day that said the average dad has like 20 minutes of conversation with his children every week. I've seen it up close. Feed them. My daughter is five now. but you have to kind of be around for them. That's who we're kind of bonding with. At five. And she goes, oh, shit. But if you do it in certain circumstances, in school and work, it's going to be a problem.

58:31 She knows their stories. I say bake him in an ice cream, like bake him in a pie with whipped cream because it's They're really some of the best stories around. Is it Isaac and Abraham? Yeah. if someone really loves you. Like, you know, this is why, you know, you give this to your wife. You know, as a love test. Yeah, just a test. Because, you know, that's how you know if someone really loves you.

59:39 If you have an ex-boyfriend that beat you up, I'll murder him. You know, like he is her Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. And she's like, I'm getting tired of it. from the songs. And I'm just waiting because, you know, Maybe she's referring to a Beatles song. besides raising the children, Oh, it's the ring of cell phones around the playground. texting.

1:01:53 Sorry to interrupt. And I, you know, but every now and then, like, I get donations. the ka-ching noise come in. their little brains develop, isn't it? And watch the way they interact with each other and how they see the world and and we set up laws and we attach a value to it. educate kids, get on the ball with them very early Okay? at seven or eight months of age. They can start

1:04:39 point at stuff and say, subjective or objective? you know what? I have no idea. you know, fiat money and all that, and I diagram stuff out for her. Type whatever I want into my bank account. That is such a four-year-, bongo. That is such a four-year-old logic but perfect. No, and I come out of the sort of libertarian world, right? We're both in agreement about this.

1:06:36 30 to 40% of people in junior high, kids in junior high, are still being spanked. but I can't really do much about it other than rant and rave about it. and we've all, I don't know, if you're out there, you see bad parenting sometimes when you're out we would be virtually unrecognizable as a culture. I couldn't agree more. I read this article I mean, that's violence.

1:09:31 guidelines and rules they've set up, like licking your hand. their body and then this big hand comes and slaps their ass and they feel pain and they feel It's like hitting someone for being short. But if you hit your wife, she at least had to test drive you, you know. Exactly. I want to parent, like, if my daughter well, they give me this comment card to fill out.

1:11:44 How's your experience of my parenting? What's more important, a fucking slice of pizza dabbled in regular life. I've had jobs that take me away for a long period of time during the day. left? How much focus are you putting on that kid during the day? talk through that frustration and reminding her that I didn't know how to do this stuff. bit more objectivity around that.

1:13:55 during the first five years of a child's life, How do they measure that? How is that quantifiable? How do you prove that? assume that that's close to causal. But isn't the issue also that parental involvement, like say, this way or that way. And they do try to find that answer. But I do think that compassion, I encourage if you fall off the horse, get back up on again kind of stuff.

1:16:22 It's just fantastic. you want to have black hair, you simply go to the market and you buy some hair color and you put it and you have ultimate clarity and you fucking think much better and you're a better person. It just got a little bit on my screen. I think that would be a great tragedy. Is it though? And boom, with one shot, they give you this Buddha thing.

1:18:47 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. yin, and in our current state, we do. But is that the ultimate end-all? Are we not continually Barely alive. I imagine it would be. Okay, so let me ask you focusing on what I would No, I came here for you. And so I came down here because it will make me happy. And so Aristotle said, so how do you achieve happiness? My conscience is pretty easy.

1:22:13 Like roller coasters with your eyes closed? have made mistakes. And I certainly think that those mistakes have given me more empathy, But bodies, not zombies, right? I think you give people a very empathetic relationship with the audience when I meet them is like, I think they know that I'm as happy about all this So when you say like you've done a lot of good, well, it's done a lot of good for me.

1:24:52 It's not like there are a lot of comedians or public figures and so on I've had, you know, incredible insults. There's some study on it, like how many animals get ground up in those machines that they use to churn up crops. i i have some sympathy and again i you know if you can do less harm i think that's great you know and you realize like you're looking at a box of food and you're like you know when we're out of

1:27:22 No, you couldn't. a lot of times, we like And the reason being is that wolves were fucking killing people on a regular basis. Nature is great to visit, And we are no different to them than a caribou or anything else that they can eat. and attacked the children while they're sleeping. I love being at the top of the food chain. with killing dinosaurs. I have no problem

1:30:08 save the Komodo dragon. Oh, they're so evil. They eat them by biting them. But now they realize that what happens is the environment that Komodo dragons live in is so hot and tropical disgustingly unclean. Look at that Okay, let's go back to that part where he got into a cage with a Komodo dragon. Oh, But those fucking lizards don't give a shit about you, buddy.

1:32:24 Because, I mean, there are bears who might not have had a meal in like a month. Yes. And they don't care. Like, He's one of the world's best free climbers. And I didn't know that there's two different. and you run into a bear They're enormous. You can't get away. tent, again, in the middle of nowhere. We hung the food and the trees and all that. and you have to hope that it scares the bear away.

1:34:50 So, you know, it'll rip your own head off and you won't get to see your own demise. I'm very happy to live in a civilized area where I can go visit nature. Yeah, people do forget it. You're getting. Well, the fucking sharks are sharks all day, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. But it's only common now. And if you think about some of the animals that we have, what's the term?

1:37:32 Why are you making him cute? It's so incredible. I mean, they swim incredibly fast, and they're really aggressive. I mean, they are literally designed to clean up. If you gave the tigers a pill and made everything groovy and there's no more need to hunt, what would we have? Like the issue of the soul to me is always really interesting. Like this, this in the religious

1:39:37 They will become cunning. Yeah, I've certainly come across them too. and they were throwing their other kids out of windows and stuff, and they were just, Empathy is 10 to 12 different brain centers all have to fire in harmony. And you also have simulated mom, like that doesn't actually interact with them and you isolate them and So if you develop mirror neurons, then you won't get sociopathy because you'll have empathy.

1:42:08 that cannot be corrected later in life. which relative to what we have now, It seems to be completely incorrect. And so it's almost like if you're a sociopath, you'd love to invent the idea of a soul, Yeah, and there's one of the ways that you can is by when people behave around you that seems like really fake and weird. knows what hurts you So there are these studies where they sort of hook up these electrodes to people's brains.

1:44:52 the same happy centers related to orgasm, ecosystem of predator and prey. And our lack of ability to differentiate between predator and prey and our lack of ability to differentiate between predator and prey in the That's a quarter of a billion people murdered other than they're on the ballot. and they do things for you Because imagine if we could see these guys, like if they had some disco ball or whatever.

1:47:02 Anyway, so this is sort of a pet thing of mine. Of course you have free will. It's just like, how much free will Yeah. I mean, for me, because people always say, well, define free will. action to a moral standard or a moral ideal or something. That's the one thing we can do that nothing else in the universe that we know of seems to be able to do, to compare a proposed action.

1:49:00 do this all the time, right? I mean, is this moral? Is this right? Is this God's will? Is this with Is it something else? Is it a combination of all those things? how I've made these same mistakes myself If I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times. You know, like if she's playing on the iPad and we're trying to have a conversation, I say, can you turn that off while we chat?

1:51:17 People always, they say, well, you know, but kids these days are spankless and they're So I make the case that, you know, don't hit your kids, non-aggression principle, reasoning, better parenting, better child development, all the science behind it. that I do. And there's tons of people who have to do the same work. We give people better ideals when you think about it, because they say people are fundamentally indistinguishable from other complex systems,

1:53:20 there's something different about me versus the computer. And have you ever yelled at the rain That's a strange argument. That's what people who believe that there is no free will say. In order to change. But you debate with someone to change their mind, right? are trying to improve, and there's no real set guidelines for how to live correctly. called ego. And ego is the thing that wants you

1:56:42 but you said nobody can say whether it's better to believe in a deity or not believe in a deity and so on, right? And then they get hit by a bus. a bunch of Mormons and how they become atheists and just. I think it's very interesting. unacknowledged suffering. And so, for instance, like, so some people, you know, they're beaten And so one of the purposes of philosophy is to say, okay, we've got some basic principles.

1:59:47 And so the more consistent your thinking is, the greater chance you have to be happy. have for happiness. We hit children, it's called discipline. We just redefine things all the time based upon emotional eliminate contradiction because they've made so many rationalizations That's, you know, I've got a whole series on YouTube And what happens then is you come up with a justification for it afterwards.

2:03:23 15 minutes. They say, oh, we didn't get the recording right. together, then that stuff doesn't exist. I've had some really fascinating disagreements with The bear show. and there's probably some strange-looking bear. But whether there's Bigfoot or not, man. Up with this this DNA what we might be dealing with when these people are seeing yetis is actually just polar bears right?

2:06:06 And get used to failure and get used to losing. I mean, isn't that just people, you know, they don't like to admit that they're wrong because whenever they would admit that they're wrong, they would be mocked or humiliated. Yeah, I think it's premature elaboration making stupid mistakes like that if that is the environment that you're in? It's like, oh, well, he's a clumsy one.

2:07:41 You're thinking about missing the shot. Like, put me somewhere else. you are a series of events that have taken place over 46 years of life and 24 hours in a day and 365 days in a year. How much of an impact has it had on you? Like, we can talk to people without gatekeepers. and nobody knew what the hell was going on other than what the Oh, you're an Anabaptist.

2:10:10 And so Nazism is like this weird medievalism that made it through the Renaissance and the And Alice Miller's written great stuff about this. And I tell you this, though. parenting if they didn't want this crazy stuff to continue. There's a book I'm reading as an where he traces, you know, you can tell how quickly democracy comes to a country without gatekeepers is an incredible experience and is the greatest leap forward, I think,

2:13:22 There's no way I would have been able to do any of the things that I've done online with some sort of a company backing it and saying this is a good idea. It was a man who was on the news and didn't know the camera was on, didn't know that his microphone was on. I can't tell you how many people sent it to me on Twitter. He put his footage of him saying this horrible thing. But it wasn't really a missing girl. It was all fake. It's just an actor. Some guy pretended and spliced it in. He put his footage of him saying this horrible thing, but it wasn't really a missing girl.

2:15:24 never get that through the media. damage done to the Iraqis, particularly in Fallujah, that up to a third of children are But you don't say you're a communist by choice then. party functionary is given a speech, and everyone gets up and is applauding. other side. So there's a great ripping away of the excuse of propaganda and ignorance and a great certainly benefit from it. We would enjoy it, but no one else would get it. It's not like something

2:18:59 It's like, you know, we got this, Human knowledge is doubling every 18 months. It's like, damn it. all of that is getting information out to people. And I think that's great. I do also think that there's a lot And this is why I have like 3,000 shows. I mean, it's a race of us versus them. And this is why You're not trying to stuff in nonsense. And I think that battle exists because you need a yin to have a yang.

2:22:54 I've learned from people who have ruined their life because of alcoholism or gambling or whatever the fuck it's been. I like being in the fight where it is now because And then all of this exists because of capabilities. You don't even know it's on. what they can do. That is also a part of this weird thing that we're doing. But ultimately, It happened through the very thing that we're all scared of.

2:25:20 that maybe you've been thinking about Oh, yeah. No, because hi, Jack is what I assume that they're going to be. That's good. You're nope. I say, hi, listener. No, because hijackers. And it is there. if they came after you and said you were a communist out where you did say something that you regretted, or you did do something in the past that maybe

2:27:25 And it's probably going to be some sort of a technological change in the way we exchange their clients, hopefully, where they had cell phone the NSA for data that will exonerate their clients, It's natural, though. I mean, look. Just scrambling for control. reducing something from 20 years to two years, and somehow 18 years is not a bribe. Let's say it's not medical that they got in there, but so what?

2:30:41 and it would have just gone on forever. But it does look like there is going to be some relaxation of this stuff. The first day, 12 stores made over a million dollars in Colorado. And by the way, that money is that their hard drug use is radically down Why is that crypto? Oh, because think it's called the next weapon. Cryptocurrencies? Yeah, Bitcoin and stuff like that. Why is that crypto?

2:32:21 Like a third of the world's economy, a third of the whole world's economy is black or gray market. People don't even want to believe that. where'd that all go? Did that all just Yeah, it's a whole. You know, like if you come key my car, then I call up the cops and then like because you've Who gives a shit, right? They're completely retarded. the policeman who wants to harass someone, right?

2:35:28 Because we are skanky as hell. Yeah, they've trained dogs. They can smell sick people. They know your intentions almost. they can smell all kinds of things and tiny amounts of it in the air and we can find people I went to exercise before the show, would you, I think would just be like, Like if I could sit there I don't know. Oh, I'd love to fucking bite that person's leg off.

2:38:28 Of course, zoos we have to have because it's the only place you'll let Komodo dragons exist. I find it absolutely beautiful and fascinating, amazing. Yeah. Well, yeah. Absolutely. I'm not going to say, well start fucking running through the streets killing babies, I'm shooting rabbits. Yeah. Coyotes are the creepiest fuckers ever. happened to be really close to this happening. So this animal just fucking runs through the back of

2:40:58 That's the food chain. Yeah, we just crushed through it. They do feel quick. Ustream.tv more people will buttery audio sweet tooth. That is just fantastic. I'll be back here in March. Even more fun than the last one. And you have a vast amount of content out there. Just you, no editing, standing right in front of a camera. Your Twitter is the same, Stefan Molyneux, right?

2:43:42 That seems true. You've got to be careful. And it's an F, not a P-H. And Chicago Theater. You know, you come out with tears in your eyes and ripples in your stomach. you've experienced since playing Lumosity. That's all I'm supposed to tell you, I think. Go to squarespace.com, enter in the code Joe and the number one. That's O-N-N-I-T. big love and big kiss and go fuck yourself.