Joe Rogan Experience #442 — Steven Rinella Transcript

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0:00 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. saying some pigs are going to die, but I didn't think that that would be. All pigs in North America, so domestic, the kind you're baking, feral ones, wild ones, it's all one species. So, Charlotte. hairless farm pig i mean he doesn't look as look as different from what we'd call a Russian boar, I don't know. and turn it into

2:14 that were taking silver foxes They moved the traits, generations you know wow so they're they're very malleable. I wrote a piece about eating dogs in vietnam and so i had this kind of little summation in this article about the history of dogs and it went through the fact checking process at have been some intro aggression from the gray wolf so they picked up some other characteristics

4:35 was not a wolf wow but it but then there was intro aggression from wolves but this seems to be like event between black-tailed deer and white-tailed deer created the mule deer it's like our newest They thrive. and the sun's only going to last for a billion more years. But whitetails, they've always lived in the southeast. black tail and then at a time the black tail seems to have extended its range eastward the white tail

7:39 up with a lot of interesting theories like some some stuff we talked about in the past where that are maybe not totally, And then shrank very rapidly. Could I come listen? You could just sit there So anyways he got into prince maybe you got can you it's the print alan burt is the burger principle it's got a name quite as much you know you get some really big mule deer in other areas they're not they're not

11:20 down they protect if it's cold they're protecting those areas that have thin hair. So a big animal has less surface area. So you had, in North America, at the tail end of the Pleistocene, and shed a lot of heat. It's like you shed a lot of blood through those ears and shed a lot of heat. know the absolute truth, but the explanation for it is In mammals, he'll tend to get bigger. mammals you know he'll tend to get bigger but

13:33 they seem to defy Bergman's rule a little bit more than some other species do. in california you know you know i've obviously i-5 so for black-tailed deer are very very similar he becomes he goes from being a columbia blacktail to a mule deer. So you look like all the record book Columbia blacktails, you know, taxonomists don't recognize the difference, but we all do. You look at it,

15:24 trying to track the Well, they were saying the best Do you know the story? To shoot this rhino Really? um you know it's a way different wildlife model yes since being introduced to uh hunting by you and people are pretending that they're But I recognize when it comes to stuff like this, there are so many contradictions that are hard to deal with know what he was trying to do. I don't know what he's planning to do. I don't know. But

19:39 Like, I don't even know who owns it. That's a good question. This is generally true in the U.S., that wildlife belongs to people. wildlife is held in the public trust an individual can control access to his lands for hunting but were hurt and they were never hurting as bad as black rhinos are but they were hurting really bad let's say you can kill five out of that mountain range, they might wind up going,

22:39 I don't think it's broken a half million, but it goes up because if you go in Montana I've accumulated, they started a bonus point system 12 years ago. And a bonus point system like all that money is so useful and it is other people are like dude this is not the country we first coming over, you know, they could kill you for hunting. So people really fell in love with that idea of freedom and, you know,

25:12 as we've recovered the bighorn sheep. I heard a story where the guys that buy it, once you spend that kind of money, you want to rule out uncertainty. one they stay on it there's guys that just specialize in this business look at that 480 Not the sack. this and he'd spent all this money i can't i heard i'm just telling you unsubstantiated stuff i'm not

27:26 So he might have spent 500, 600 grand. When you look at how many people live here, how wealthy we are, all the technology. the rhino thing. than it is a bighorn sheep. I don't think they have ivory. it makes your dick hard like i guess they haven't heard about viagra whatever the fuck they're All the things you would do. because some other dude would be like,

30:23 pretty much a license to in in some cases, kill them. property and it turned you into a young person again well you know they'd probably fucking kill But it seems to be one of the most bizarre misunderstandings and miscommunications ever. It's so strange. hard yeah and it's not even working It works on everybody, too. What is the term? It's the number one method of payment.

34:08 And sometimes there's a guy who's a warlord who's got 20 wives, these Taliban fucks, I never liked them. I'm 40 years old in a month. I just, my head wants to blow up because I see all sides of it. An animal that I don't know well, I don't have any desire, I don't have that much desire to hunt for it. So when I say that I have no desire to hunt a rhino,

36:41 to come on your podcast yeah um I don't think he wants to. I'm not going to kill your fucking kids, man. yeah it's complicated it's complicated it's complicated It is That, that It's like They eat elephants They said it's like not a lot of waste. That bothers me. desire to hunt one but again i have no context you know and i don't and i don't really understand for me to go like for me to go hunt something i also have to know that it's sound that it that

39:32 I mean, it really is okay. a lot more information at our fingertips. So for me, when I, when I go hunting, I can really kind just in general terms you call them fishing game but it's like in michigan it's the michigan will all come together and come to some level of cohesion and some level of, you know, they'll find a happy middle ground If you want to bring a population down because of various factors like agricultural interests,

42:22 If you have a population that's really hurting, you go in there and do predator control in that area and sometimes you can bring it's probably one of the most efficient government agencies ever. gun rights are under attack, fees. Every guy who ever hunts ducks or migratory birds has to buy a federal bankrolling so much of wildlife research and wildlife conservation and it's not just stuff

44:51 I mean, they have to move in to control it. meet. Let's compare data. Let's see what we got and see what we're going to do here yeah you get this idea like oh they've just one day decided to go and do it and it's a i'm sure I don't know. No one's arguing for a new extirpation of the wolf. because we are puppeteers you know i mean there's a lot of people living here and you're back you're you're

47:59 that's for sure i you know before long before before I ever even thought about hunting, I would see a beautiful deer and I'd be like, why would anybody kill that? It was upstate New York. were exploding i mean i saw at least four of them that had exploded and wrecked cars and it was one did this deer this town wanted to lower its deer population was all said and done they had

50:02 And they're going to shoot these fucking deer because there's so many of them. that might happen to someone fake onions there's a bunch of onions now fake onion you know the onion if you don't know is a But these people, they read this The LD50, we actually were talking about LD50s. Marijuana's so high it's insane. Yeah. That's a miserable feeling.

52:55 It's very effective. grabs my forehead and tips my head back and fills my mouth with poured salt yeah wow gave me some I don't know why it wouldn't be. By three days in, I was there for two weeks. There's no predators or anything in New Hampshire, but it was fucking... fuck all your fucking plans. And that's it. There's more things in there. only like three counselors there was like 30 fucking kids and three people watching us. There was a lot of shit going on, man.

56:16 I was probably like at the time, maybe 12, maybe 13, the older they were looking forward try washing toothpaste Just a bunch of little criminals alone in the woods with very little supervision. cool stuff so i never got involved in it but it was it was great for him because he was born like Because one of them was keeping your thoughts clean. Well, this guy was the guy who wrote this, I remember reading this as I was a high school

58:46 thoughts. I know, because that's kind of to imagine what you're saying to me in the email. control and you want to and you're like He is faithful in his religious duties. But that's not what the fucking Scouts were. What was your, like, you wanted to get out? I thought it would be a cool thing To be an Eagle Scout You know I was so sad too I came home

1:01:05 now, you know what I mean? I used to get homesick My wife will sometimes point places it makes me appreciate her more it makes me appreciate my friends more, too. Someone might tell her about it. Yeah, but just, like, I think that, you know, know like there's a balance you know and part of the And he realizes that everything he wants is here. Oh, that's funny.

1:03:52 You're in New Zealand. And she just likes to ask after I get back. Yeah, yeah. Got really involved, like really heavily involved in trapping and, you know, took lessons in trapping, read everything about trapping. The one thing that wasn't in my plan was I wasn't going to communicate. contrast paper about melville and faulkner or something i can't remember what and for the

1:06:18 And I was super excited. So I thought I got 250 bucks. to get 250 bucks, they just changed. Yeah, I keep it in my box of, like, special stuff. that Lewis and Clark took and you shot Like what did Summon you you know writers or people who are out doing interesting stuff in the hinterlands you know and come in and kind of report about what's exciting

1:09:01 In a move that would benefit them in no way whatsoever, just like out of the goodness of their hearts, like gave me the rights to my book back. in in a move that would benefit them in no way whatsoever just like out I don't have any. Yeah, and that guy was to blame in that thing. Yeah, Boondock Saints. told me that's good, and then I watched it, and I was like,

1:10:23 It came out of Pulp Fiction. is a bad motherfucker. But it's so complex, and there's so many layers to it, And I just thought it was a piece of shit. Well, I mean, the people who made it. They were supposed to be documenting this guy who worked at a bar. it's a must watch. I've met those guys. I've seen it on sitcom sets. that because the camera's on them, they must be

1:13:41 It takes a long time to get there. It's a lot like shooting a penned up animal in the face. I have, I have acted They're fucking crazy. I've met so people he's a sweetheart fly fisherman by the way i've heard that from multiple people wrote a book I mean, it's weird. is very checked like if you're a funny comedian the very checked like if you're a funny comedian

1:16:40 crushes your ego i can imagine it's like you just watching it happen. It's like a movie. there's someone that would like to suck 1,000 dicks in front of his mother. head at one point in time but other than that like when you're performing you're never thinking man at you is like you have to be like in the moment of what you're doing and if you're in the moment

1:18:39 So there's the checking aspect, the ego check, and the creative process, the tuning in, it's was always so a huge problem with comedy, there's a great song by The Verb, Bittersweet Symphony. I know that song. it, that riff comes from the Rolling Stones. The Last Time by the Rolling Stones. comedian because you seem like like I don't understand comedy at all but you gotta think

1:20:49 up there you seem somehow like in control and and you know like a word you like in control and I'd be doing something else. Really? What I find funny, it's funny coming out of me. And I'm being honest. It jumps in your head. those five minutes are fucking harrowing a ride through hell and when it's over like whoo i got Like for some people, I've seen guys bomb and never recover.

1:23:50 And with that, so does their fighting career. your ideas funny ideas like philosophy like how do you have a point of view and figure out a way Mm-hmm. Can you throw one out? I don't like your opinion. a guy who came up to me who was a Christian, bit it was like and this guy came up to me and goes i gotta tell you man look i'm a christian This is a video where a guy came up to me after a show in Georgia.

1:26:47 So I think you... Well, I don't know. As long as they keep the hippos off. about a dude who got all the animals to come on his boat Unless you found like camel shit right next to rhino shit. What do you do when you find this on a 6,000 foot peak in the hills? And that's 600 million years ago. we do have something that matches dead Nuts to what the story is.

1:29:34 are remaining they have a story the story of a great disaster and some people got away and those They have the same numeric value, and that's very important for sentencing. religious people are completely full of shit. He didn't want to kill you or anything? Because they only had two of each. So if they died, well, that could have been the unicorn's bone. Yeah, they better not be there. They didn't find you. Because they only had

1:31:29 right? though, you were offending me, You mentioned, how come no one's mad at Johnny Cash which is like a lot of bloggers and people looking to find something to be outraged about, There's the cartoonist that got stabbed in Holland. Yeah, it's like the soft target of comedy is the idea that there's like this real subtlety And you try to pretend that, oh, this is just someone who's, you know, this is an asshole.

1:33:46 that's so wrong. because I find it fascinating, And then also if you look at what they do, a lot of people, what they do is like they'll – what they're trying to do is stop someone from hurting someone's feelings. I have this moral high ground that I'm going to stand on, ridiculous person like his whole act is a bunch of shit that he doesn't mean yeah it's a bunch

1:36:12 So yes. Tracy Morgan's style is, But what's more upsetting than the people who are so volatile and do get so mad about stuff is the thing that politicians do, which is to feign that response. And that's more of saying and there's also a lack of He'll laugh after he says it, but he's really smart about how he does it. And I'm with you. But his point was always that, like, when someone says something and they're trying to be funny and it misses and it's fucked up, that comes from the same place as someone trying to say something funny and it hits and it's really funny and you laugh.

1:39:22 He's hilarious the funniest guy I've ever met in my life. But he has this joke about transvestites. Okay, look. What it actually is, it's just like Johnny Cash pretending he shot a man in Reno just to watch him die. Yes. you could go out and kill gay people right how do i know that it allows you to explore like a funny But I know you're Morrissey, but I laughed at it.

1:42:30 would upset the theory well all you'd have to do is look at history like the spartans all the the it was so gay that because you were there it was assumed you must be gay well they would just you're They're gonna try to find out sexually harass you will spike your drink. is really super cool just because they're gay is ridiculous it's just like the idea of someone

1:44:37 because he represents brown people. And he was the champion of all this. No, like the second or third chapter and the last chapter. He did a big flip-flop and kind of walked through how a public figure does a flip-flop. He did a big flip-flop and kind of went, walked through how a public figure I'm reading, go ahead, And he comes up to me and he goes, Sharpton, I had a meeting with Al Sharpton one time.

1:47:11 The only reason why it exists is because black people have been marginalized. because Martin Luther King Day is Monday, and my daughter was like, Man, it's like, I remember a teacher played that for us once. Unbelievable. realize that there there was these inequalities and there was this this Obama, but Obama in office, I'm not, I'm not a fan of, I'm not a fan of most of what he's done.

1:49:38 like the speeches that Kennedy gave, Sure. performance it's performance you know well i mean but all speeches are i mean they're performances If I spoke German, maybe I could understand. I just thought you were talking about powerful orators. I mean, Obama had some of that as a candidate, that the pretense of this war was incorrect the big shift yeah and it didn't turn out to be that at all it turned out to be just kind of more

1:52:43 And I think it has so much to do with money like we get these figures you know going into the primaries you get you know comes in every morning and runs through the list of threats. I mean, guys come out of office looking so rough. it's so intoxicating look man he only had one term Jimmy Carter is one of the few guys that was president that I would really love to sit down with

1:55:07 Yeah, I mean, yeah. You know what I mean? I think the idea of having this one alpha chimp running the whole show is so fucking Every issue is always up on this thing. Allegedly. then we go from that to a real serious anarchist, Because if it was just so fast, I feel like we'd have more stumbles than we have. guy just got elected mayor of new york i mean he's not in there a day and he's like okay no more

1:58:56 shows kind of this like weird ignorance and arrogance where if you talk to anyone who's because there's just no way to get rid of excess horses. No. That was Bloomberg, right? or a giant drink But the nanny state stuff, I hate it. And you kind of go, you got to, like, be big, okay, you go ahead You got charged by a fucking moose You describing it was harrowing

2:01:21 you don't know if you've seen enough TV. and not have it be on TV. So it's your thing of like right before the breeding season, he's going to be less likely to come to one calling. Ryan's mimicking the noise of a bull. out ryan's mimicking the noise of a bull because it was like, was it thunder or was it that, mm, you know, noise? so we start going in the direction eventually we start moving in the direction where we think the

2:04:18 And I do like a really stupid thing where I take what you call a brisket shot. and i go to shoot him in the neck and uh click like i had messed up my rifle and hadn't chambered around. So it clicks. and my hand keeps coming back bloody so i'm trying to feel where he put a hole in me and i'm thinking Yeah. And what really gets you is little teeny things.

2:06:54 like i am so happy that that happened that was an amazing thing you know and now dude as stupid as Half the days Crushed my I love that It's something like Lone Survivors. No. and these guys kind of got wondering, not Sykes, not the guy that rode it, let's stay back. Well, they probably had to be. they find out like all these things that we used to think they didn't do it's like evidence that they that once they came into contact with crow magnet

2:10:32 Well, I mean, you think about all the things that we use, guns, computers, this table. also heard that it's it's it's it's a confusion and that what it really is is common ancestry I always hate to be like, this is what it was, you know, but. know so far. Well, yeah. He explains All they want to do is annihilate them. Not always, but it's very common to find butcher marks on those bones and also find where they crack the heads open, presumably to get the brain out.

2:13:07 Yeah. assume they had white skin like us and hair like us but he gives them like Yeah. We don't really know what the hell was going on. that I think a Harvard geneticist Harvard geneticist wants women For sure, just to become famous Nah, yeah. Tell me about your Mitch Hedberg story. And there's always this marquee above this comedy house. i'm like son of a bitch i thought it was coming up you know and i thought i like that it meant

2:16:18 There's the thing right there. Clean comedian. It's all about putting it in the context. With your kid and your grandma He's just using them, you know shooting yeah i mean it's not it's not a lot of shooting for like guys that are really into Yeah. happen it has to happen then when will happen, it has to happen. I feel like what we're doing this weekend isn't going to be, you know, like hunting wild pigs.

2:19:22 Like a deer will go and a deer will go. Native animal around here No It seems like gotten they've through our you know through i'm trying to put together an idea it's not actually that complicated thanks to us and in spite of us at the same time they've managed to get everywhere And it's kind of inexplicable how they seem to be there for so long If you see one, shoot one for me.

2:21:58 it's a great general it's a huge generalization but i feel like that's kind of been the relationship vibe in california have you seen the uh pigman ted dugit footage i've seen clips of it i haven't seen I saw that. Well, they have a lot of farmland in Texas too. brought them here as a food source. And they would keep some in pens and other people would

2:24:27 as long as we have have had europeans here another version happened later where people brought them So people brought wild ones. And they've been around a long time, and in some areas there's way too many. to have shorter seasons, you're going to have fewer available tags, you know? And so they kind It just would never be legal. man it's just like ugly you know it's ugly but then you go like but it's a really complicated

2:28:01 And pigs are really hard. know running with dogs and killing knives and digging them out of holes and chasing them into I'd gone down to Florida hunting turkeys, and we have the American, there's like multiple subspecies of the American turkey. so went down to hunt osceola down in the swamps down there. And we're down there. We run into these guys who hunt pigs with hounds.

2:30:05 and kills pigs as a way and root around on his land like closes the doors up so the pigs can't get back through the other way. a great eating boar. Because now that hog cannot contribute to the population. castrated bull, and a bard hog is castrated. Wow. I didn't know what head cheese was. Please. What is a castrated pig called? Yeah. Yep. They have stuff that like turns into collagen when you cook it, like turns into like a gelatin when you cook it.

2:34:37 derived from as an animal by-product. So you take all the meat that you pluck off the same way, yeah my buddy that makes it this this guy, Matt Weingarten, You do all that on the show. You don't shy, gut them. You do all that on the show. channel that shows Like, you won't see them gut animals. It's like you're showing a thing that most people are hiding from,

2:36:52 Yeah, that's how I feel. Unbelievable Sometimes I'll cook something on the show that's not good. Elks widely regarded as, like, if you went and surveyed people And it's back now because you have like big chunks And to eat meat in the field, we age meat because it tenderizes. Yeah. But he puts a moose in his freezer just because he doesn't have a hanging, you know,

2:39:15 because it will slowly age anything at all. A lot of critters you do age. If I have like a wife or if I have a girlfriend or whoever doesn't want it or when I had it, what am I trying to say? But the meat is getting just perfect. I mean, we had a great piece off. than being a regular cook is you're dealing with so much variability. there's all kinds of variability so you learn how to

2:42:24 that one was delicious that's what I'm saying man and then some you know it's like you don't There's a growth pattern they go through. and they estimated that thing to be 20 years old. Like, you know, Doug Dern in Wisconsin. Yeah, when we were at Doug's place, I mean, first of all, what a fucking great guy he I don't say this about many people. I'm so glad you introduced me to him.

2:44:32 And I told you about this, I think, or he did. But they do have, that's the perfect word, they have a symbiotic relationship. but we have mule deer in my yard all the time. they have some things they like to eat and they're kind of wed to those things. A lot of farmlands, right? as long as society keeps going the way it is. mechanics of wildlife start to recognize it as that hunting is legitimate useful practice and

2:47:09 Yeah, wild fluctuations. understand it you go ask someone who runs a wildlife agency like a state wildlife agency Like why deny ourselves access to a renewable resource that generates so much revenue? wouldn't because i heart like i'll talk about the food element of it. I wouldn't hunt if it wasn't for the food. For the longest time, you could only get them on DVD.

2:49:17 Why is that? yeah but i'm talking about the me i okay okay i meant i was just saying the um i was just trying You ain't. open their eyes as to your approach your it's it's more intelligent philosophy behind like you see I like it. Really? four is the one with Brian 30 free days of audible Oh, boy. And Neil Brennan, our pal, stand-up