Joe Rogan Experience #462 — Steven Rinella, Doug Duren, Bryan Callen Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. Yeah, it's nice. the reason why those areas are flat is because they got smushed. What we really were was all hilly and beautiful and all the landscape is varied. Brian's like, oh oh this is all mining I had this guy, William Bernstein, who's written all these books on my podcast. Yeah, you're right. like i thought something's happening to me we used to call it we used to call it bulletproof

3:06 Sure. And usually letters, I don't even want to say what I was going to say. me a letter and usually like letters. I don't mean, I don't We started emailing back and forth. I didn't know the guy Call Casanova's version of 911 extremely cold. Did he meet you at the door that I wasn't going to take him up to the woods right away. You know, you guys had a really good time up there.

5:36 Oh, it's so tender. But what I like about venison is you eat it rare. Yeah. You've got to chew it, yeah. That whitetail venison that we made in your kitchen when we cooked up those back straps. We got to use butter and then get that grill, the griddle really hot and just cook that bitch for just not even like 30 seconds each side. Crackle, crackle, and then oh.

7:53 Those are some healthy deer, man. That one buck I shot, he was at least five and a half. mike harkins uh or hutch as he's affectionately known by steve um a couple of years ago that was Oh yeah He said he practiced They do a tooth dent thing. Old bear. my roommate, I was in school i mean we cleaned you know we cleaned but i started wondering about the depth of cleaning

10:43 a i think it was 100 it was either 130 or 160 pounds of freaking ground meat off that bear. My mom listens to Joe's podcast. 150? Because USDA inspected pork. And rats and mice are picking up trichinosis by eating flesh. They serve it medium in fancy restaurants. I'd love to. duking it out. We couldn't see them Did they do a show before they come out?

13:20 So we got to know each other and talking, and he said, You don't want to pull a Ted Nugent. but it might turn on an area of your brain that you don't really want turned on. That pig man dude shot a pig from a helicopter with a bow and arrow. Oh, because he's sho. And the arrow drops down. I'm not kidding. If you're going to eat the deer. Look, look, look, look.

15:20 He's got a bear bow. Oh that's impressive You're criticizing They got them all. to the land. were they domestic pigs and now they are wild pigs? No, no, no. Please, go ahead. I got confused. Right. the same time you've made there's maintain like the actual ancestral population in certain pockets about that book 1491 yeah yeah you know it might have been the reason that a lot of Native Americans died in such massive numbers from typhus and all kinds of things.

18:36 but they really, like, you look at them, you're looking at is the original boar? Oh, yeah, but that pig was such BS. And then he turns up and he's got a picture up in the back of his truck. put together. Hold that picture up again. a penned place. Turn it out Now that thing has hair all over it. with it in the back of his pickup. They've got a high yield, man.

21:02 like 200 pounds. We take this pig So we have to figure out how to get this pig out. It snaps twice. And you'd be, like, pushing it the whole way. We tried it. We tried to push this thing for, pushing a 200-pound pig, it's not like it has wheels. We tried it. We're at the bottom now. It's a huge ranch. We'll throw And we're out there with blood all over our hands,

23:25 I'm slipping all over the place. They had a still. Like, you can't even imagine the work that went into this place, man. Yeah, it was really incredible. Oh, you mean coming to get the meat overnight? an 11-year-old girl shot a mountain lion that was going after her brother? Apparently the cat was like real skinny, I'm scared of all them, too. Look at this little girl.

25:46 it must not have been how to use a gun. So can I go back to the machine gun out of the helicopter thing? I learned from the best. you really like shooting, aiming with a rifle when you can actually rest the rifle down on something especially like a live animal. For that matter, it's hard to stand with a bow and arrow, especially like a live animal.

27:34 Whole different game, right? I was like, I don't know what I'm doing. I did a few standing. Unless something's, like, So, you know, you got to be careful yeah not getting it but rarely when you're hunting do you and pointing it out the window. Was that bad? And I'm kinetic What the fuck is wrong with you? The point is that he then took the rest, made the point is, is that he then, you know, took the rest, made the shot twice.

30:24 they get up it run and boom. No. Steve's is Steve and Rinoa. TV. Steve's is Steven Rinella. I want to have Doug Yeah. Thank God you cleared that up And the only place in California We saw some cows. Oh, 1,000, you know, 1,200 pounds. You hire a guide and you pay for it. Yeah, you can. But they, I mean, throughout the year, on average, they're killing many, like several

33:30 That's a very Russian-looking Eurasian pig. Very nice guys, both of them. A hundred, easily. and this guy hunts a lot of serious You can then drive out of there and go down to LAX and fly. A quarter million acres. For instance, there used to be a lot of quail out there. But in general... Yeah, man. and every one of those pigs and white and brown, man.

36:10 If it's clean, it's a crick. I'm trying to tee Doug off, talk about his damn farm. They're not like Holsteins or even the Herfords that you saw And Steve's comment about the quail and the turkey makes complete sense because they're, what do we call them? And that's what they do. They'll crank out multiple a year When I went to New Zealand, all the animals in New Zealand are, not all the animals, but, you know.

38:31 would like to get up in the helicopters They have active programs. Well, I mean, great. It does form a smog, and it was a major issue in New Zealand. Well, I'm curious about this now. He doesn't bullshit. My parents used to live in Harrisburg, and there was an area that I used to drive. It stunk so horribly. We go to a restaurant in Canton. and then they would eat all the slops from the restaurant but they were eating human feces and

41:14 My dad used to always say, I think it was in Washington State. Oh, isn't that too. Oh, that's right. The best thing to do is feed them to pigs. Hence the expression, as greedy as a pig. Oh, fucking tremendous movie. That's Guy Ritchie's masterpiece. Yeah. where you really can't understand them. I travel a great deal. the baddest ass, who's the one guy you wouldn't want to fight, and who would win in a fight if

44:15 strength. There it is. He fought vampires Honest Abe was. They grew up doing everything with their hands, right? I don't know. He was a soldier and did – I mean he was a – he clearly probably killed a lot of men with his bare hands. But he had it. You keep getting in duels. He's retarded. a giant. How tall are you? 6'4". Yeah, you pull that wig off, he's not going to know what the fuck to do.

46:43 who brought judo to the United States, We had a huge discussion about this for a good hour Dan's a comedian, really good guy. And, you know, I was doing it tongue in cheek, you know, you'd probably kick him here and he's He got all nervous. Unbelievable. It's just the way it is, pal. Of course we know that that's true. And, yeah, they took that real seriously.

50:06 But you can't fly with a shotgun choke. Now they make shotguns that have a threaded end. Why do I have a boner right now? in the gun part and you're all waiting in line So I'll put that out there if you ever need any patio work, that kind of stuff. And a stone hammer, yeah. Well, pool cues break. You could do that, but I'm assuming they're going to actually.

53:04 He's a giant man. Tried to pull the door off the plane mid-flight. He ended up going to jail for it. going on, man. Yeah, because I imagine the vacuum. Yeah, that kind of stuff. It doesn't take that long. It's actually really hard on a plane. Yeah, because I imagine Oh, but it's just And also... USB drive I believe that. That's a real common thing. Sucking in the engines.

55:11 What do you mean, no, no, no? If I may. Take one guess. They get two peregrine falcons, we had x number of white-tailed deer living in this country and they were nearly I mean, we still get out in the evening and drive around and look for deer, but you're really disappointed if you don't see any. um we started hunting on the farm i'm like wow look at all

58:10 In fact, we still do after you shoot your first buck. and an armory and whatnot. You know, the stories coming from the Hamptons. I had a landscape business in Door County, which is the thumb of Wisconsin. She said, I want to buy a crossbow. And the guy gonna kill you know she never shot a crossbow but she was gonna she thought it'd be easy i had a we hunted in november is you know what's going on in the state of wisconsin a bunch of other states

1:01:50 Hasn't happened yet. But a lot of states deer diseases bringing them into like an unnatural proximity is baiting deer so you go out put a of the farm so next year um everything's getting tested um you'll send the heads in to get tested And they have all these recommendations. Because the way they were bumping it from animal to animal is, you know, It's in southern.

1:04:36 One of the big things is antlers. Yeah, because the wildlife that's held in the public trust Well, look what happened when we didn't, man. You got up in the 1920s On, on, on, just shooting it and selling it. to blow roosting turkeys man, So, Wow. Unregulated market hunting caused a lot of damage. where they're taking elk, taking deer, raising them on a farm, killing them,

1:07:28 as like, grizzlies are not? many frog species, all kinds of things that are in huge trouble. they're the new crow that was something that was really a big deal to see when i was a kid Yep. Wow. going out and building these little things that look like a mailbox on a post. and it's going to be rotten wood. So, funny you bring that up um one of the things that i'm going to do when i get back to wisconsin is to um there is in the in the latest farm bill uh some funding for encouraging farmers

1:10:30 I don't know. But since I'm putting so much of the farm back into conservation reserve program, people go into there i'll overseed my pasture with it or add that mix in with my CRP and what not. We were talking about our daughter. probably have more to do with it than, than anything. I mean, we're using insecticides on means it'll kill everything theoretically.

1:12:45 Doesn't it grow itself to death in some way or like expend something? Yeah. Mm-hmm. But it's the shade of the other trees. So the oaks just don't stand a chance. In the driftless area, it's a pathway for migratory songbirds, first of all. good spot to regenerate oak but when you have a good spot to do that you should because it's It's an advertent effort to correct an inadvertent wrong.

1:16:16 They have crops, we have cover, we have water, we have all that. And so on our 400-acre farm, and just a little over 200 acres of woods, The Department of Natural Resources in the state of Wisconsin does a heck of a job. And you'll hear grumbling hunters talk about how the DNR is killing all the deer. Could you elaborate, though, when you were saying this?

1:18:52 One of the things that they came out with was we need to eradicate the disease. Um, whereas you, you probably realize this, that you were here, you weren't, we weren't That came from farms, correct? Yeah, domesticated deer herds. Correct me if I'm wrong. how did this start in Wisconsin? and I don't have any knowledge. Is that, So we're, This makes sense to me that there are so many deer in some areas that they're,

1:22:03 The animals get sick. and the way guys find out about the management decisions, they open up the rule books. But people just see it and they go like, oh, it's the, it's the right wing. generally a force for wanting less deer guys that want to go out and hunt are generally a force Fertilizer, phosphorus in the fertilizer going into the water source, you know, those sort of things.

1:24:00 And a guy down there. That's an expression? Well, I've heard that. I'll pull it up. not and then you've got these huge mega farms like you know again when i was getting you saw that barn Spread manure, but he spread it on frozen snow and ice and whatnot And this sort of goes back to the deer hunting thing. not good though right no it's not good that's the point somewhere in between is is there's a balance

1:27:02 Is that right? freaking life in bacon form It's really amazing. And they feel, even if they're meat eaters and even if they're wearing leather shoes, I'm sorry. I bought a beautiful Weston smoker. Come on, Callan. Yeah. feel is that there's a that these and there's a sacredness of these animals as wild creatures Who's like How fucking shaky is that ground

1:30:27 It was a hanging garden. Gardening is fucking fun, man. Broccoli, and it's delicious. But it's a primal thing. subject out there that's one of the things hit in order to sort of get that subject out there No shit, right? And you can see its face. You can't go to jail for jerking off with a chicken cutlet, but if they caught you in Look at this picture.

1:33:54 But we have this weird disconnect. No one gives a shit. Oh, that's great. An old friend of mine, beef for a present and uh so i delivered some of the meat already and and we were bringing the rest And so I had taken a Polaroid picture of this steer before I had it butchered and wrote on the bottom of it, dinner. this whole thing with people eating meat and not, you know, being a part of it and whatnot.

1:37:16 is always, I don't have any objection to what you're doing. And I read, read Paulin's article doesn't mean they don't have a certain kind of intelligence. to eat life. Life consumes They'll steer in that direction. In fact, funguses are actually more closely related to animals than they are to plants. Plants aren't as simple as, you know, everybody likes to think that, oh, you eat broccoli.

1:39:26 productions from plants, meaning you'd eat apples. So you can leave leave. That's good. I had an aunt who was fucking crazy It was just this craziness. Are we going to control the population? of times they can't get unlocked because the horns are organic they flex the antlers are organic they That's what you're going to get if you don't get hunters.

1:41:34 There's the two deer. camel. In the Bantu Belt in Africa, you have to basically live off, it's very hard to grow stuff the coyote eating the one deer and this deer's fucking cool about that area the driftless area because there's something so fucking cool about that area, I feel really lucky to be the one who gets to take care of it. Seriously? Wow.

1:43:37 So when I say it's been in my family 112 years And then he had this one. And every guy in his area is Doug's. Doug's got cousins he never say that I wouldn't Yeah. So there was like a few-month period of time where it was in no man's land, And my grandfather was a really interesting guy too. Yeah, I don't know where you can find one of those. It's a really funny story.

1:47:11 They're listening. How I went up there with the tractor and set the whole thing up? well, go ahead, Sam, you know, gut it out. He said, well, I didn't get my, I don't know how to do it. I'm just driving through, cutting the trails on the farm and left the tractor idling, jumped down off of the tractor, grabbed it. And that's the standard. Maybe 270.

1:49:30 I want to bring this deer in. And he said, well, how big is it? And I said, well, And by the time we get to the taxidermist stuff, there are two or three vehicles behind us because they want to see where it's going. all right, everybody, get all these vehicles out of the way. So they're guessing as to how many inches of horn there is. 18 24 what is that right there that mule deer how big is that oh shit 110 that's a big fucking

1:51:30 That's a big mule deer. You get the body thing we talked about, that Bergman's principle about why animals in the That's insane. They're just killing freaking tankers now. Let me ask you this. crazy antlers. he's probably got something. Where? Missouri's got high fence places. There's something about an elk that's a mystical, sort of a mystical, majestic creature.

1:54:25 Well, I have a buddy who went to a place in Texas that's 10,000 acres. And you get into these things where someone might be doing And it's kind of like, who's that guy that said Yeah, it's a luxury though, too, because a lot of people don't have you know people like when i was growing up man it was we hunted the farthest You're talking about alpine hunting.

1:56:22 hunting, white-tailed deer than and your kind of thing. The number one You cannot hunt doves in Michigan. Very flavorful. Why doves? Boundary waters, Northern Minnesota. It's the boundary between Wisconsin and Minnesota. It's wild. Whitetail deer hunting is really accessible. It's becoming, because of guys like me, I suppose, um, But earn a buck is, you know, is in place.

1:59:23 a second doe tag, and then every time you go in, they'll give you another paper tag. If you're hunting local in that area, it's economical. piles along the edge of the road You can salvage them. I can't remember where he hit it. and we fell asleep, and so he couldn't find us. So our light was out and we fell asleep So it's, you know, everyone's tired.

2:01:19 No! Talk about self-reliance. I'll be back. My dad died in 2002, 2003. to be capable and know how to fix stuff and know how to take situations in their own hands and know Like, you could have a whole slew of siblings all be turned out great, All the time. but he didn't have any staying power. Hope you think, He'd get busy. Dude, my mother used to change my grades i would get my

2:04:32 Is that what you told him first? Like, I should have never even had you. I mean, you want some money for your rent? Here goes nothing but when i But but forget all that bullshit I just never fucking gave up. From college to not working. How old were you? I started selling magazine articles in 2000, but it took me five years to get it. acting. Joe would be like, dude,

2:07:29 I just didn't understand it. I didn't know. a good show on television. That perfect storm of good writing and good acting and all that If I go see you in a movie... When you go to see a good comic, I don't care what it is. the special that I did, if you see this special, Where? When you see a comedy show on television, I'm sorry, it's just not a concert video.

2:11:07 And I think the shared experience somewhat gets diminished when there's more than 3,000 people. And they're all looking at me. That's it. Yeah. you know one of the best things about seeing like you talk about that experience being in They're like, come on, let's talk bad about queers. And they're kind of getting this little like Support his freedom of speech

2:14:08 You should go after people that wear two different types of cloth, If you're doing that show and you're not telling people If you work for a lot of those shows starvation, abuse of children, Two dudes having brunch with disposable income on a Sunday. And what we should be upset about, we're not. one of the things that i really appreciate about your show is that it's a hundred percent legit

2:16:34 that bear which i thought was weird too because you wounded it and then you had to shoot it a kind of i always feel like we like the exact same foods you know and another thing about bears um Oftentimes people respected the animals that they hunted the most Meanwhile, like we don't eat dogs. and I respect it as a renewable You said something really interesting to me just now about the fact that they wake up differently every day,

2:19:54 I have a hard time thinking of them as individuals. And I got back. What did that 17-year-old bear taste like? I mean, I remember it being good. Driftless area, Wisconsin whitetail we were eating, which is basically warmed up. mallards and wood ducks i mean because you know you're talking about diving ducks that's a whole I mean, there really is nothing better than those bears.

2:22:06 I'm not shooting a bear, but I'll go on a hunt. Can you come? No, I'm saying if you are honest, you're like, dude, I want to go so bad. Hey, the Sportsman Channel gives us the ability to make the show. There's a set of things that the American public will tolerate like these Alaska, The Last Frontier, I mean, they're showing the raw, real deal, Well, the most fabricated thing

2:24:02 You get in a lot of trouble for that, man. from the gill's back. That's where Callan and I come in. Just this shit of Brian singing while we're pigeon hunting and trying to get the i was 22 minutes man 22 minutes the shit on the stick thing i was laughing Yeah, yeah. And I didn't know what he was talking about. That's crazy. And there it goes again

2:26:48 Yeah. Up until now, I thought it was a myth. Let's let people see the rest of the video Oh, my God. Joe was pulling no punches. I blame peer pressure. He looks like an athlete. but it's pretty much until the weekend after New Year's Day. You can go hunting at the end of February with a landowner tag. And especially in our area where they're trying to reduce the deer herd.

2:29:46 And there were other guys from Vortex. He just puts a $20 on the bar. It was the landowner permit, and then these guys can have tags. They think there's something evil about it Because of where you live. And, I mean, on the farm, there were always extra cats around. Because they're pets, yeah. Putting them back out. This one friend of mine- But yeah, and a friend of mine who's, I don't know if she belongs to Friends of Ferrell's, but was one of the people who sort of chastised me about talking about a gunny sack and a rock, which is how you get rid of cats, extra cats.

2:32:42 And actually I said something about I didn't even go into that. They're not doing this and that. how many, we're the ones who made the problem. They had a real stray dog problem. Fascinating. something that I've said many times for the well-being of the natural world. animal so much how could you kill it and it might be if you came down from mars you came down from

2:35:37 in this country is coming out of hunting license sales, They just need to have a gun and they want to have a hunting license. It'd be great if we did. Have you ever had a real legitimate debate with someone who's an animal rights activist where they sat down for a long period of time, like on a podcast, I'd go into it being like, understand it better. And the problem is

2:38:22 Because if they're not, they're just going to fuck and they're not they're just gonna fuck and they're reactionary thing that you can do if you're getting all your food from a fucking supermarket. I want to know what the point of view is. And so if they have a thing where they value, and when you're talking to peter people the reason that it's hard to figure it's it's it's religious

2:40:53 But are they? Or are they just trying... you're using them for their fur and testing makeup on them and they're going blind? I don't want I don't want to buy products that are tests on animals and we all do that so I think Yeah, but a lot of drugs that save lives. before you go on to test it onto a human. if you're mistreating your animals, you get called out on it in our area, other people who have animals and people who hunt. If you're mistreating your animals, you get called out on it in our area. People will say, you know, wait a minute, just

2:43:59 But the marketplace, by the way, because of that, that education, a lot of the marketplaces said, I'm sorry I don't. I love animals. We turn into a pumpkin at three hours in. Sports Channel to Ken, that's Sarah Palin brought fucking moves. It's too good a show. I couldn't agree with you more, but I really got to get this in or Helenen is gonna give me heck after a while helen's gonna give me hell and that is the show on but then also

2:46:13 And I felt exactly the opposite. You can stream and download. And they're not even hunters thanks and maybe with Callan We'll make room. Follow Steve Rinella on Twitter. It's on DirecTV. It'll be the final episode. Bubbly Doug, man. Come see me this weekend. Coming to Minneapolis to see you. Theater in Dallas on 18th at some fucking theater. I got Robert Green

2:49:22 Thanks to Ting.