Joe Rogan Experience #470 — Amber Lyon Transcript

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0:00 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! I had Daniel Pinchbeck on the podcast. And here we are. It's just, you know, it's silly. search engine. I believe he had something to do with speech to text. He, he had a part in creating because he did not say it was going to be the end of the world. like the french renaissance like when did you know when did uh the inquisition end exactly you know

2:20 Who knows? There's a reason why your phone keeps shutting back on. I just was too ignorant to see the shift. like someone tells you something stupid when I was a kid. through Z, and just have to pour through those. Like you don't even, you're not even in the store. Yeah, when you're sitting in the living room And someone came to the door. It's another, you know, when those crazy people in San Diego all put on the Nikes and killed

5:50 I forget Homeboy's name, but. But, you know, you listen to him and you hear him talk and you realize this guy is about as real as it gets. of them did. I think he Maybe he's right. Marshall. We just see their shells with their Nikes, symbolic Nikes. They do shit like that? And that happened for me in the situation of Bahrain. Oh my goodness. it just was like taking your dreams and just crushing them

8:54 and helping spread what I believe to be lies. I think you hit the nail on the head, Joe. art inside the book yeah molly is such a talented amazing artist it was really an honor to be able She's not scared to take that jump. conversation and you you say okay let me find out what the fuss is all about and you get on a showed were just showing cerebral blood flow through the brain and the MDMA isn't actually

13:09 It's the knee-jerk way of approaching it, the worst I ever did. So now I have to just completely retrain my thought system because I've had 30 years of this propaganda. experienced these things, it's impossible to understand without trying it. And I don't blame to influence that legal system because if it's corporations and the people that are trying to

14:56 And there's some good drugs out there that are pharmaceutical drugs. And then like an old pitcher that somehow or another summons up the courage to get off the game and dust off his jeans, he's back in there. almost universally makes them more aware of their actions, This is some medicine that helps human beings evolve. footprints of trauma on their soul. And just through PTSD, car accidents, dangerous situations

17:50 And I believe that wars, fighting, all of the environmental destruction don't realize it because we're a part of it. But I think that people are so much more aware of how bizarre and finite this experience is and how many people are running around this experience acting as if everything's normal. And I think when you look at the possibilities You know, what you get from being a Christian,

19:55 Oh, that's what you want to do, Amber Lion? Whereas other drugs, and I think that's, once again, part of the propaganda. And something that is manufactured by our own bodies, DMT, is also illegal. of your own being. with that, right? Crazy assholes. Not really. It's a great way to, it's a great position to be in. But I did take you seriously that day in the podcast when you told me mushrooms could change the world. And it really planted a seed in my head, which sprouted this journey that I've been doing around the world investigating these medicines.

22:58 I mean, it's very nice to try to give me— The whole culture is going, wait, wait, wait, wait, what? money for schools and we could pay for that with weed but being people are going to smoke the same by sticking your neck out about Bahrain this is what you get. And I think all of us realized that that was the same for our parents. and we have to be i mean you feel in me peter's just great yeah we had him on the podcast he's

25:38 But what I don't agree with him about is environmental concerns. Self-regulation. And that at the end of all that, obviously I'm no economist by any stretch of the imagination, but I agree with his reasoning that any system that doesn't work should be allowed to fail. And it might still be ruined. And I am a huge fan of the ocean. psychedelic experiences, I've even processed some of that some of those implicit memories,

28:09 shit that people, most people, most people are not going to go to it. Most people in this country especially journalistically, an extra sense to make sure to cover more environmental issues where there's a lot of money involved. have disappeared over the year. If people are willing to, that's the weird thing that people don't want to – a lot of folks, the no-nonsense type folks that I categorize certain types of skeptics and there's some no-nonsense skeptics that they don't even realize that they're sort of almost in a religion and their religion is debunking everything.

30:21 What do you think happened there? It's been done. be wasted in this lie, but they're more than willing to if it profits them. Oh, for sure. is money. it does seem to make sense. And so you have this one experience. You go down there, single-handedly one of the most incredible healing chemicals for I remember reading all this positive research and studies about ayahuasca

33:35 and so many flashbacks happening that it was really hard to even drive. and threw that in my bag and just grabbed this backpack I don't even know what ayahuasca is. And I remember I had my sunglasses on still And I was like, fuck. And so it was... Peru, and you see gringos, you know that they're most likely there for ayahuasca tourism. I mean, I had to try this medicine.

37:23 leaving your car behind. And then I had to, you know, now that a couple of people had recognized me, I had to kind you've connected all this spiritual mumbo jumbo woo woo bullshit to you tripping your balls off. the members of these churches who drink ayahuasca regularly And ayahuasca is a medicine. Spiritually. And when you do that, you change the nature

40:24 And to the naysayer people, you're very important. whichever one of those it is it's the exact same experience you're having the exact same experience You know, just people don't want the no-nonsense people. Like, look at this dummy. really detoxifies you. So I was ready just to absorb the DMT. And, and I went where a lot of thousands of years. The fact that in the hundred plus thousand plants, they chose these two as the

43:27 So particularly where I went, they used chacruna leaves They just feel this desire to go down and try it, and they just feel this, and about 12 dudes and that's it. So once again, I wouldn't recommend, uh, for females, I recommend Could you imagine? The shaman comes up You had a bad experience where your shaman was trying to hook up with you? Yeah, so to tell you the whole story,

46:06 So you have to get used to that. So I was kind of in the front of the circle. How dare you? It's part of life. And we're all nervously like, okay, well, maybe we'll just take half cup, all of us together. They didn't want to seem like wusses. So you have to make it to the bathroom. They're shitting all over the place. So that was something that people were really cognizant of.

49:26 I saw all these ones and zeros going across the screen. really big. And right then the medicine was telling me that it had figured out what was okay, what could have caused this? And I felt like there were, and this is a common vision, that there were all of these like thousands and thousands of little beings or elves on my body. in my body. And that was one of the things that was manifesting itself in the post-traumatic

52:30 to really feel their pain, to understand who was telling the truth, what they were going through. Wow, that's intense. hear a loud noise, it reminds them of the time they were shot at in a tank. And that's why they That's very different than the DMT experience. It's just way too big. and just starts working its magic on you going into it seems for a lot of people preposterous. But when you take into account

57:02 got lucky. You went into it with the perfect intent. No, I didn't. I was just eaten alive. There it is. Holy shit. I'm terrified of spiders. And this is before my first drink Yeah. And that's it. I do think so, very much so. The shaman would bring in his strongest brew, serve him three cups, and still nothing. They say that about DMT that it's like one out of every 20 people experiences nothing wow he's smoking and everybody else gets blown

1:00:14 I don't know. they're missing some sort of expression of a gene or something like that that doesn't allow them to The problem is you go to these websites, then you read, you know, He did all those studies at a university of new mexico and uh they had only anecdotal evidence that it was they figured out that they could observe it in live rats. culture from some sort of a new realm that it doesn't take you away from the very world that

1:03:33 You make that step over that gap. You're really stepping into this box that's hovering 70, 80 fucking stories over the ground, And what I remember is the beginning of it literally being like the beginning of a ride the bottom until boom and you think that's as crazy as it gets and then as you go deeper in It's too beyond the imagination. It's too beyond anything I've could have concocted based on the

1:06:33 this repeating that I love you 600 million, 500,000 times. Like if you tell a kid, they love So I'm saying 6,500,000 times, You're trying to hold on to, but you can't. Bye. Yeah. The first one I did was the five methoxy one. You become a part of the very fiber to stay alive, through the eyes of something that realizes it's a part of everything. We're spinning 1,000 miles an hour in a circle.

1:10:48 But it was very not me. um, sort of examine how preposterous I am, you know, examine ego exam. I remember saying We're all full of shit. He knows that people love the way he talks, so he's really good at singing a song with his words that what you're saying is important, too much, uh, objective thinking too much, uh, you know, uh, interact interviewing yourself and

1:13:11 it made me look so foolish, I figured, like, I felt like whatever the 5-MeO had to say, I got it. about your business whereas dmt was um every time was a new thing every time i did it was a new I had, and most people do have a fear of death. And one time I had ayahuasca and I hadn't eaten And then I literally left my body and became this vibration.

1:15:36 Eighth time drinking ayahuasca. things that have come from the Middle East, different plants that have come Like he would talk about ketamine, very similar psychedelic consumptions. And that that's what you're seeing, you know, you to this higher intelligence to feed you knowledge. And so I wasn't having any animalistic And really, you are this vibration,

1:19:14 fighting and the negativity. And it just left a permanent footprint on my brain that I need to, And then that's how man was created as part of. Colors changing, animals, chameleons change the color of their skin to try to blend in The idea that asteroids don't carry the building blocks of life. I wasn't a very religious person. I am more now, definitely. You're religious now? Not religious,

1:22:36 it has to be Amber in there running the show. And so because of that, Amber running the show phobias that you've developed because of negative experiences. It's not clinging to phobias that you've developed because of negative experiences. spiritual event of their life. Also you even look at Bill Wilson who founded depression, addiction, all of these things so many people are suffering from. And we've known since the 1950s that LSD had a 45% success rate at curing alcoholism. I mean, if you look at AA,

1:24:38 Getting people to talk about AA. 45% success rate with LSD is really an astounding number when it comes to rehab. So she's got to continue using it. We had a doctor on Dr. Carl Hart yesterday who is a drug and addictions expert. When the alcohol is gone gone it's a withdrawal like And then if you've gone through the flu, that don't have anything to do with chemical.

1:28:27 So he was just looking for a high. friends and started giving them ibogaine. And then it just spread across the world. Now we're So now he's got a center in Mexico. and to help other people and to find friends that he knew that had similar issues and say listen you and let people know through your experiences because they are so powerful. they've watched or what have you. And it's spreading now. And it's spreading in a way that

1:31:44 that they're highly addictive. Mushrooms are proven to be non-addictive. ridiculous it becomes that there's schedule one saying that there's no medicinal value, that Yeah, 80,000 a year? It gives you a little bit of a psychoactive charge. what is the role that the nicotine and the tobacco smoke has on the ayahuasca trip? Well, it depends on the shaman you get, and it's so vital that you pick the right shaman.

1:33:59 as far as picking a center. I noticed him coming up to me and blowing the agua florida on me which is taking the most intense psychedelic on earth. And I kind of was like, whoa, hold on a minute, I've talked to every shaman I've talked to after that. And that's also why I don't recommend people, um, women go down alone at this point. Yeah. Wow. That's intense. Well,

1:36:47 and they've kind of had weird fates as well, need to do is take that psychedelic, go be with yourself and it will do the healing. You don't Stop. the one person that has this unique gift and you can heal people get the fuck out of here stop i knew this dude who was a chiropractor used to crack people's backs and tell them that you're It's like a placebo effect.

1:38:44 Like, the idea behind it is ridiculous that one person would have some sort of magical I'm not a healer. And people who never were shamans that just figure out the recipe, cook it up, Yeah. It doesn't exist. teacher. Just as important as any important I had lost faith almost, Joe, and then I met some incredible, real ayahuasqueros. It seems like it's in everything, like really terrible relationships.

1:42:30 all. You need the yin and the yang. You need the point the whole point is just seek the light go towards the good just find that you can't fix all back with the knowledge of whatever they fucked up in the past life in some sort of inherent form, And so it really helped me to find the real native Coranderas and, Well, it's really close to human neurochemistry, too.

1:45:11 And they're illegal. I feel like the industry has a lot of fear of psilocybin and the reparation of the serotonergic system. else and they they're feeling hopeless to just research psilocybin because it gives me so much But it's I mean, could you imagine how many people not everybody? I'll have him on hopefully in April again. The stoned ape theory being that when climate change occurred

1:49:00 these human-like things, experimented with these mushrooms, including eating of psilocybin at low-level doses increases visual acuity. that would bond the tribe together. It's a really fascinating mystery that no one has ever solved. it would be a spectacular find and that's the same And he pointed to all these factors force their mind to expand. It would force, along with the psychedelic experiences,

1:51:27 Yeah, dudes always find a way to work that in. Even the most spiritual guys find a way to work that no one knew that Amber Lyon's baby came from Jamie. And one of the things that he uses to sort of highlight that is this is the pattern that we're all supposed to follow. We're getting it from Aramaic, translated to Latin, translated to Greek. because I've had my own religious experience where I felt like I've been given messages from

1:55:14 because the Catholic Church bought up the rights for the book difficult book to get. But it's basically by a guy who, this guy deciphered the Dead Sea Scrolls for over 14 years, they were designed to hide the true nature they were essentially trying to document the knowledge losing mushrooms and they started preserving who I was working with up in Oaxaca,

1:58:24 and this other town, Huatla de Jimenez. the connection between mushrooms and even the Catholic church, there's mushroom iconography And Eve mushroom. to see them blessing the mushrooms on the altar uh instead of the communion holy water they give yeah right there but that's from 1147 it was something that was a part that allowed marijuana to become an illegal drug. And his thing that he was working on before he

2:01:39 where there was something that was originally for everybody, then try to move forward to thinking 200 years before that, 200 years before that. And just All you have is words describing no connection. The connection is completely severed. All you have is words probably grasping to the last remaining fibers And isn't it funny that when someone wants to call you on your nonsense,

2:03:59 I mean, they grow everywhere. center like that. A person who is an experienced voyager, a person who's pure in their intent, fucking psychedelic talk i get it i'm tired of me too man i'm tired of me too trust me it's so silent. And it was so profound. I just burst into tears and I just could not stop crying because I That is a really strange number, isn't it? One quarter of people are on antidepressants over

2:07:17 out there that expands your natural female sexual hormones? Is there anything that does do that? They're just not producing hormones have benefited from them. The question is, would they have benefited equally well from something that exercise, rigorous exercise, something like Partnership for a Drug-Free America, and they get money from pharmaceutical

2:09:43 So there should be a bunch of different options available. And I interviewed one soldier who was at that point. soldiers. And he travels around the country dosing his buddies so that they can kind of get out of Could you imagine if that number was any other sort of medication? And knowing how profoundly effective the psychedelics were on helping me

2:12:15 Well, because someone can profit from it not being legalized. and then come back a couple months later and pot be growing everywhere. It would be unavoidable. the lessons learned from using natural materials sometimes, I mean Sometimes one thing that they want to do so much in the jungle, berry that no one has ever discovered. We just don't know. And it might be. It really might be.

2:14:19 painful. Literally breaks the skin have you ever thrown a hot dog on a grill, Like, it redlines that thing until pistons start firing out of the sides of it. Even there's this one shaman in the Amazon and his entire village was sick and he couldn't cure them. and also to make the men stronger as they hunt. these frogs are running through you and your your lips start to swell and you're sitting there

2:17:11 a natural substance in the environment. That totally kind of makes sense. when I was like, how is this working? How they figured out ayahuasca? spirits that's the universal story i've heard from from every shaman is that somehow they are insane and so by some shamans beliefs the ayahuasca is actually getting in one They're on a different time schedule.

2:20:37 That's an important point. That's something that would be worth Googling, but you can't be on antidepressants. And I was even next to one woman in a ceremony who was having a schizophrenic episode while on the medicine. or airplanes or machines or engines. It went instead to plants and that their knowledge base in a natural setting they never changed the setting the setting was always like huts and

2:23:33 indigenous cultures living close to nature actually connecting with this healing energy something I've been trying to do is just go around barefoot, And we need to get that back. There's also the feeling that you get when you're in the woods that's a palpable, real You're like immersed in this world highway and made everything hard. And we've sort of separated ourselves from this really intense

2:26:31 Exactly. And even in the areas, the towns we went to that rely on medicinal mushrooms, they don't use antidepressants instead when they're having grief or they're having a traumatic event in their life. I really enjoy my friends. I really enjoy what I'm doing. experience the world. Like we're not designed for that interface. The interface we're designed for

2:28:20 You're literally affecting everything around you with the experiences that I keep bringing him up just because he's awesome. impossible to get anxiety. And this is coming from someone who used to have constant butterflies in to stand outside of their life and analyze it objectively They can't. How could you know? time ago. it because I really needed to try to absorb as much knowledge as I could from the plants and

2:32:22 on this path. yeah. Yeah, one of the most important resources for anybody that is interested in any of the others who've done it to reduce harm harm reduction also so people can find create with this new site. Reset.me. Reset.me. What is me? Instead of.com, what is me? Where and he said that using DMT and different psychedelics can be like hitting the reset button on your brain,

2:35:21 It's Montenegro? Is that what it was? It's still being built, so it should launch within a month. looking for people who are experienced users kind of the teachers who can come of things happening to them in the jungle. psychedelics, who we've recruited to help us in our forums and just help us. That's the new Amber Lion. And I thought you were a very brave person when you were talking about your experiences at CNN.

2:38:09 It's such an honor. And I'm sure Amber will keep you posted on Twitter and will keep you posted on Twitter too. Start playing your first game at lumosity.com slash joe. the Terra, the Terra Sarah.