Joe Rogan Experience #478 — Eddie Bravo Transcript

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0:00 This Thursday night, I am in Miami, bitch. And thanks to everybody that came out this weekend as well to um uh to the comedy All right, we're going to even begin with this one. It's on YouTube. I hope I can actually call him. Who I've known You were doing news radio. That's what you were thinking. You know, whenever I hear someone tell me, I didn't figure that out.

3:12 I haven't heard from him. Hello. your permission, because I, I didn't know if you uh if you were pulling those Okay. I mean, let them know, like, this is a really awesome event you put on, That was an awesome event. You had some really but i would love to be on the podcast let's do it let's do it brother let's do it let's do it I'm thinking maybe Alex is mad at me, too.

6:14 And this is the event that gave birth to legends like Marcelo Garcia, I mean, Hoyler is a legend, a true legend. I mean, what his dad did was nothing short of, like, i mean it's an amazing family the whole family is just what a crazy movie type family i mean you in his own brood and made it what it is today technically technically. But without Carlos learning it,

8:59 I mean, and I don't even... Dude, they would have to have like the High End edge would be like 10 minutes of the movie. and half were all brothers and they were like they were like the tasmanian devils but henzo was everyone loved him, but he was always You remember when he live-tweeted And not only did he beat these guys up, he was live tweeting it and chasing after them.

11:12 That would be like a lost scenes. legendary stories. And the crazy thing is I was on Twitter when it was happening. shit out of these poor guys. He took pictures no one would ever give him any stress. Well, for sure. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's the real deal. The thing about Henzo is his personality is so fucking great. Horian I've never sat down and talked to Hodger you know what I mean there's a lot of great

13:42 Because Jorian, her dad, married his cousin. Her blood is, it's like vampire and we work together, and man, she's awesome. I would love to do him on as well. He's got like a great energy to him. They really like what they do. He's so cool. aren't you going to get killed for this? I love that guy. Point being, Super legend. How crazy is that? That's insane. That's what a bad motherfucker Hickson, who's the best, you ask any of them, they say Hickson's the best. How crazy is that? That's insane.

16:59 so crazy, the different levels. That I don't know what was orchestrated. Everyone gets smashed by Hickson. And that's normal in all families. Like everyone's just – that's just the way families are. was one of the most important moments in the history of martial arts, without a doubt. the whole family was involved because of what he saw Hoyler doing

20:15 and all the Gracie people, they were all involved But also there was some things opening up in other countries too. all over. They were all going into jiu-jitsu. All that shit's here because of jiu-jitsu. not the most important martial art, where you look at him and you go, whoa, how can that guy move? about Chuck Norris. like movies and TV shows now.

22:45 before the UFC, before the first UFC. injected it into his Chuck Norris system. Remember when we would see that World Combat League thing? That was fun as hell. That guy's the, congratulating him and uh chuck norris was like he all of his stories like involve like He was laughing, smiling, you know, So he got it. There's five of them, I mean, that family as well

25:29 and there's a photo of him great All badasses in jiu-jitsu. And they all just made tarzana that's where I ended up going. And every one of them is a badass at jiu-jitsu. what? The one Gracie who didn't want to do jujitsu. and then you try that for a while, And you're choosing this other shit. do jiu-jitsu that's incredible right it's pretty incredible so 2003 we're in Brazil giant match

28:38 thought I was in it I was like in some watching some 3d TV or something feels And you kept jailbreaking, man, You just didn't have as many variations on technique to attack with, But there's so many guys that are out there. They move in strange ways. Boom. gonna survive and he's tapping i was like he can't survive like no one can it's a human being when

31:19 This Brazilian TV station had set up cameras there. Oh my God. Oh, my God. The world just a totally new element opened up. Like the world became some new place. The world just a totally new element He tapped one of the greatest guys of all time. And that's what we were talking to Halak Gracie about on the phone. They're promoting these professional jiu-jitsu matches.

33:20 And 11 years running. up in triangles and stuff in weird ways without a lot of people have to grab or adapted to other people hadn't done before in a weird way. about like seeing a friend fight it gets real rough i mean we've been friends with mma fighters him with electric chairs you threatened him with a neck crank and you threatened him with this nasty

36:30 Yeah. that was like the perfect introduction match oh shit, he's on his back. And even from him, man, he's still Hoyler Gracie. He's Hoyler fucking Gracie. I thought he was just going to try some totally different shit. And there's a bunch of crazy rules in this match as well. And he's hanging on to your cuff. He goes, I'm fine. I'm like, it just kept popping.

39:46 Then I feel like, okay, I can get this guy now Yeah, so we were Constantly joking with him You can't move from here Because there's some positions He's completely wrapped up Always. That would look really douchey. Right. It's cool that you kept that feeling. this was a 20 minute match But the idea is you're seeing real jiu-jitsu here. I mean, you swept him multiple times, you got side control on him,

43:09 But you see what I'm doing with my right hand? This is the first time. So for my people, they know, they see me fighting like this. My mom was freaking out. My mom thought I get the lockdown, my crowd goes nuts. knee, you're getting manipulated, That's when the crowd went nuts. This is nothing new. So now I'm in a position. This is where I rest. And right here, he's still stuck.

46:10 He's holding me. the reason why the pass was guaranteed is because of the control I have on his leg. left arm all the way out, um, I usually transitioned to the back and that's what he did right there. for my people just to show that it works. So in my mind, Oh, here's another one. If I just go to the vaporizer, it'll look just as cool as a twister.

49:04 You see how I got the underhook you see that i went rubber guard locked down squash his leg down and get on top in a leg drag type position, the electric chair is a move where you've got a guy literally in a full split and you're controlling So I'm going to set it up again and go back to the, Dude, he could not stop my half guard game. So, and then I'm going to start all over. I know he's not going to be able to, he's not going to shake boom whipped down. I go, I'm just going to keep doing it. He can't stop it. So, and then I'm going to start all over.

51:29 I would stop breathing. I don't want, look at, see, I'm holding onto his leg. Now I got the leg over right there. what the hell was going on here? I knew what position we were in pulled guard right here and I was going to say, here, He doesn't know what's going on. no, He refuses to get Look, And so He said, stand him up. See? him because I could pass at any time. The pass is guaranteed. Do you want the for sure pass or do

55:05 turn to my right and roll on my left shoulder. But what I'm resting, all I'm doing is resting. But look, he's going to help me. This is a calf crank and of getting arm barred with because there's no arm bar. I'm asking him. That's normal. the inside of your left foot with your right foot. You got to shove your leg deeper into the back of But he was holding the gi pant, so I could see he's holding my right leg.

57:37 I'm just, I generally don't need to stomp on that foot. that's what's saving him you know so crazy yeah he's in some serious danger right here if you They said, okay, you can wear pants if you promise not to change your mind. pushing down and trying to smash he's obviously in some serious pain here but it's incredible I don't get tapped from those things.

59:53 You were going crazy. a conversation with like, you know, like people on the street, regular folks that I didn't Were you drunk? Even when he had the underhook? You get a hold of your leg, man. That's scary as shit. I felt it too. I know what that lockdown is. Hot death. You get a hold of your leg, man. you had no command that just happened on its own and when you do jujitsu long enough and you drill

1:01:50 you know, if you get caught in that guy's that once i saw the lockdown i was like oh he's in trouble like if he let him get that you were that like third or and his girlfriend, but it wasn't, You were like, what are we going to do? It's an open mic night. It's a very sensitive moment, Like, if I went out there, I just tapped, and it was like early tapage.

1:04:50 I'm like, ooh. I'm going to eat all those words. called him up bet your house Jean-Jacques, you can't ref this match. and it's going to be his right arm. so what happened he wants me to hear it because I just put, Because how can I get this motherfucker to do what he does here all the time? 10th Planet versus a Gracie right there in our hometowns. There's a lot of pressure, all different kind of dimensions.

1:07:46 The best thing is to do your shit. So then, bam, it was all about, dude, you have no him and trusting myself. Okay, cool, cool. So then, because I wanted to make sure we trained at the same time we were going to compete. It doesn't feel great to constantly get tapped by people and getting fucking wrecked. Beautiful. Kill two birds with one stone. five minutes here, five minutes there,

1:10:05 i'm always training everything's on my schedule everything is priority is me and that's not the I don't shit so i'm still here with the family as much as i can that my, you know, man, she's just amazing. I don't know how many hours. See, that's what Marcelo does, and he gets away with it. He doesn't do anything extra. I just train jujitsu hard every day. I don't know how many hours.

1:11:40 athletes have a cardio program. They've mastered that shit. You know, for once in your life, train like a professional athlete. So I don't really remember too much of what I was thinking back then. I think that was for the Pahumpina fight. Let me go in there. And I do that 20 times just because we have those 20-minute rounds. I didn't understand how the heart works.

1:15:12 to need some rest. Settle down for a while. You got far. You got seven minutes. You have seven Freestyle. You're just trying to exert yourself. I'm like, I could really just keep going, but I'm just like, this is what I'm doing. So I, you know, But I know that when the clock hits the eight, I'm dying. So there's no way I never went 100%. I'm trying to rest.

1:17:27 I still gained. When I'm at seven or eight and I'm gassing, I'm like, fuck. but I just fucking do it. do we warm up? I don't know how a football player would do it or if that's a fucking child's play long time yeah but what it ended up happening uh i don't know our muscles would be more tired than my heart. People, you've said that term a couple of times.

1:19:16 belts purple belts and they're all waiting You can't conserve. and be too cautious I got to save my energy with this dude because I got, I'm looking next. I got Jared Carlson. I got to save my energy So what percentage do you think your game improved because of your cardio bump? You're dead and you did another sprint. It's going to be harder to recover because you're panicking and you think it's over.

1:21:36 And that is what that performance Saturday night was all about, is knowing that I could because I was doing this is like nothing done cardio learn from tito he just said cardio is everything man it's everything he just couldn't stop stressing Now I got power. Remember Maurice Smith? I could barely walk after this. Yeah, why is it bad to just lie down?

1:23:50 and you never stop jogging. Get up and keep walking. You got to keep the body moving. I'm 43 years old constantly. Spent a lot in Alabama or somewhere out there. And most of it is from Jean-Jacques Because Jean-Jacques defensively is probably Where should your legs be a few ways to build There's so many ways and all that shit. There's so many different places

1:26:28 Alan Belcher, and just fucking wrecked my legs, man. Everyone has a different way of escaping 50-50. Everyone has a different way of escaping 50-50. i'm doing is i'm so fascinated with this it's it's just i'm on a quest to make 10th planet That's what I was trying to fix. There's all these black belts are tapping. This is an emergency. and that's what we're trying to do.

1:29:23 something and this cuts to the chase and this is quicker. I mean, you have to. but it's also much more complex mentally and emotionally. What did it feel like? Someone lied to him. No, I found this. thanks goes out to the Gracie family. No one. Thank you, Carlos Singer, Hickson, for being the superman of the jiu-jitsu. You will always be a legend. Thank you, Hickson, for being the Superman of the jiu-jitsu world.

1:32:46 just it was just uh man i can't tell you it was like i i don't know man it was just glorious and Fuck you. You're just a unique dude. You hurt your rib really early in the match. you were crying i was crying we were freaking out and then all of a sudden boom you got to fight I mean, all the time when you're training, Hoyler, Hoyler, for this documentary they're putting together

1:36:16 And when someone says that to you, Or it could be something else. And I turn around and I'm like, wow, Hoyce Gracie, man. because you used to talk shit on my family. That's in the jujitsu business. And Jean Jacques had to get between us to like stop him from like getting in my face. Look what he said. I wanted to talk to him for years How crazy. He always gave us credit.

1:39:22 Gracie said he would not compete against Bravo in a grappling match, Let's fight with no time limit and with punches allowed. Yeah. So, I mean, composed about that you know you were always remarkably composed. The worst you ever did was ask to do it again. Imagine, not only is he the best, or that it was a fluke. Do you want to keep doing this? is stress about my next opponent

1:41:50 I don't want to think about anything. that was exciting as fuck. is if it's especially no gi, enjoy it. And the other thing about jiu-jitsu as opposed to MMA is really high-level guys that them strangle people. actually, and it's going to be on the Latin fighters, Yeah, he's awesome. Also awesome. They're on a quest. It's in Hollywood. obviously we want to pack the place too.

1:44:32 And we have Fabrizio Verdum's school, his best guy. Everyone's going for submission only, but there's no submission, so it's a draw. There's going to be some guys that both got eliminated. So Gracie Nationals and Gracie Worlds, those are the most hard. Grand Prix so Gracie figured that out at the Cox Pavilion Gracie Worlds. and the 21st of December.

1:46:54 It's an invitational. He's going to be at 172. At first we wanted to do it to make sure We had some investors. We had a few of them. It's very hard we wanted to do. We wanted to do the first one. We were planning on doing this. We had some investors. You have to have incentives, Just you want to win a tournament? So that's how you're going to close the deal. That's how you're going to make your money. So that's the plan.

1:48:57 We'll pump it up I mean everybody was talking about all over the mixed martial arts world jiu-jitsu world the I mean it really made a big splash For jiu-jitsu, pay-per-view isn't huge. I'm thinking if they did 9K before there are at least 20, to find results. And it's your picture doing this. I don't like it. real money. and you're like wow like the way he does it hits the butterfly sweeps him it's like

1:52:26 The other one's a loss to GSP. He was working the guillotine and he hit that butterfly sweep. But unless he catches a guy in a submission, look at that beautiful sweep. He was working the guillotine, for all those millions and millions of UFC fans a submission only jujitsu. For TV, it's just not good, man. doesn't give a shit about tradition, about jiu-jitsu.

1:54:23 There's still a small percentage of people out there that One is a submission only match. the guy on top, I'd be screaming, million dollars at the line. Oh, don't only is better for jiu-jitsu it's better for TV you gotta you can't have tug-of-war But none of the Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belts wore their gi. Some guys like short rash guards. and he was allowed to grab them but uh whatever you know it's all good i like all that controversy

1:57:20 A big part of it. Or if you don't wear pants, you could just wear knee sleeves. it's not real grappling like, oh, you're cheating. And I had an advantage where with my personal game my lockdown Yeah, and you know what I'm trying to do, dude? Help us out. It's not happening? I mean if you got 20k pay per view I don't know, though. if I'm going to get back into training camp,

2:00:34 and swimming I don't want to be a dick about it, I could help them personally in their argument. And they hope the rubber guard fails and the system fails and it's a fraud. is such a waste of energy but the crazy thing is i know all these guys and their fake screen names took a shower a one-two punch, man. man. And Chris, man, uh, it was crazy. And then I immediately, I didn't even read,

2:03:36 He's always on there. He wants to get his Gi black belt, they just stay off the thread and they're silent. Let it go, let it go, let it go. from that shit. And then it was incredible. He probably wants to say something. He's probably high as fuck right now Something might have happened. It's incredible I have to ask you this I was like, no. Yeah. You're live on the podcast.

2:06:54 It closed the doors. Thank you. Dude, he came in and just I love you, man. We love you too, man. Thank you. Thank you. You know? Let's play it. 10thplanetjj.com. It's all on Mastering the System. Are you fucking kidding me? I might even come down, man. Okay. Someone's been lying to him, and we need to get to the bottom of that. But if I would have been there to stay i had to get home to my kids but if i would have been there man god you know anything i could do on my end i have no idea

2:10:36 And I don't know how many times I've always stuck up for Ricky Rock. like Cirque du Soleil drumming. I had no idea you were on. Great seeing you, too, man. He looks like like 10 million That's true, man. He's a black belt in jiu-jitsu as well. His whole life. the big IBJJF tournament Let's just wrap it up Ever. Congratulations, brother. It was an honor to be there. Dude. It's crazy, man. But it was beautiful. Congratulations, brother.

2:12:57 You know how Brian Callen can't shut the fuck up? Because he was, you know, Brian Callen, when, you know how, like, we've talked about this before. He defaults to him talking about fucking guys. I wrote that on Instagram, and it sounds like something somebody would say, move in all of Jiu-Jitsu. But it was from It was crazy, man. I'm like, ah! He's a bad motherfucker.

2:15:43 Thanks also to Squarespace. Ouchy-wawa. Or, you know, holler at Eddie on Twitter. which is downtown L.A., email me at eddie at 10thplanetjj.com. How dare you? You could at soundcloud.com slash Eddie dash Bravo. with Brian Debs. John Botello, Brian McCaffrey, and me. with as many people as I could at Metamorris, a lot of cool shit, 15 seconds. corporate imposter, I spot ya, funny nirvana never treated me proper, never enough nada

2:19:58 But I'm right back in Come on, get up Hate meant to walk the line Be using, keep yapping like I'm gas I've been through worse, I can handle this That's why I sang this song And I'm falling, I'm falling again I get dropped And I'm falling, I'm falling again