Joe Rogan Experience #482 — Rob MacCachren & Bud Brutsman Transcript

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0:00 Cue the music, young Jamie. We're gonna talk about some crazy shit. Two decades, right? Like, what the fuck is he doing down in Mexico doing jumps and flying over hills? train, you don't pay attention, you don't sleep, you did a marathon. Yeah, I did a marathon. I'm happy. Maybe I'll take second or third or get on the podium. And then, so I started chasing it and started chasing it. It took me eight years

2:59 He races in trophy trucks, which is not my class. The race course is wide open. He can. you dump off in the dirt again, and you're just hauling ass in the dirt. Anywhere, you know, from 60 all the way up to 120 across them. And like Bud was saying, when he got involved with it, he fell in love with it, where each wheel is kind of independent, and they have a lot of wheel travel so they can hit these big crazy

5:42 um i i know dodge makes a truck that's just like a You must be Ford people. They've tried to duplicate it is what they've done. No, I've driven the Raptor a lot, and they're an incredible vehicle. See, that's the difference between them is that the Raptor, I watched the video, the Raptor is more comfortable driving around. So it's not like as mainstream as the Raptor.

8:05 And I think Ford Motor Company saw that. really fast the motor that motor is incredible i beat the crap out of it in our race um did 103 That is hilarious. Wow, that's crazy. When you're out there in the desert spinning them, it just starts tearing the rubber off them. They'll put 100 gallons of gas or get it filled back up and change the rear tires on the truck.

10:47 we made that was what like 2004 or 5 or something 2005 yeah so that was like right around the year of the Cage back in the day. And Bud and I met at jujitsu we trained at uh john jock machados or over bumps. He took one ride in a trophy truck Left, left, left He's like, in nature, it's like, what, running? And at the time, and I've actually been a lot smarter in technologies.

13:36 So your body. I believe you. Your body starts to evolve and could absorb that and you actually the and Your sternum starts separating from your chest, and I'm not kidding. I'm like, no, you just, what happens? And I'm like, you're not having a heart attack. Doesn't Eric Apple, he goes down there a lot? Did you see that? Head bleeding. Motorcycle racing. Yeah, motorcycle racing. Then he got into MMA, he's another fucking nut, right? I mean, he started out his career doing... Motorcycle racing.

15:41 It's really... It's just one of those things you have to go do. Yep. around Baja for some reason. Really? actually a short course truck there that's i's actually. Okay, that's the image of your trophy truck. Yep, that's actually a short course truck there. Always have the ladies in the posters. There's a lot of guys out there. Want to hear my version of it?

18:18 Steve McQueen's stunt guy, his name's Dave Eakins. No navigation, no nothing, and they made the Baja Peninsula. Somebody else came back and says, okay, wait, well, we can beat that. that so they did in 32 hours and if you look at the the heritage of people going down He was always building and pioneering something before it's time. Wow. You run into them with cars?

20:32 Try not to run into humans. No, you can play all the other ones, the other videos I sent you. Whoa, that looks fun. to see the excitement. I had a celebrity in my car and I was driving. And then I see some randy people over here with a fire. I'm like, oh, fuck. That's really nice of these people coming out to see us. There's no fences. Some people throw bottles and shit like that.

24:01 They've thrown snakes in the cab of the truck to you? What kind of snake? At that point, you just pull over and get the fuck out of the car. how it started in the 60s, they were taking stock trucks down there, putting a little bit bigger you do, what can you make, what can you build to make it go faster. They can go down there and conquer Baja. which is dedicated to off-road. And the halo

26:44 and then trickles down. So there is a pass-through from everything that Rob is, because he complains a lot, I mean, that thing drives, it just, it drives. trophy truck class which is the elite class i've worked my way up from the bottom driven through We're not racing. So when you're driving these things, it's very different than the cheaper trucks.

28:40 They're just restricted a lot more, and those cars are a lot more difficult. I've been there, done that. See? They do like a conversion on the old Mercedes? I was working on it. there. Race it. Yeah. My buddy Aubrey has one of those Teslas. It's just, you're just going. You don't hear anything. How many, you would have to have so many batteries, though.

31:48 charged set of batteries. You drop that carriage, put that ever thought about doing something like that? showroom floor? It's the 2012 Baja when it comes to clothes. black t-shirts, He just doesn't want so I had a black slicker I put on the top. look at all these pretty colors I could choose. for other colors. No. tires like you take tires that are right off of a showroom floor yeah these the we had the new bf

34:53 Biggest ranch in California. for an F-150 you could ever get. So that's a custom Raptor. oh, that wasn't really stock. So it bottoms out. Yep. See if you pull up that video, F-150 races Baja. This is my opinion. How did they change it? And that's you driving that thing? Yeah, you got to do it. I'm there in May for the UFC. His girlfriend would love that.

38:13 How much has the popularity increased over the last few years? end of April and April 20th, April 20th. Yeah. I think here at the end of April, I think April 20th, we'll be on. I was like, great. Exactly right. So it's a way know the racers feel comfortable. Just like I know what he's doing. and how jacked up he gets when he watches the videos and stuff.

40:34 got a little garage you can put two cars I'm thinking of expanding thinking target back there. Absolutely normal. Yeah, they kill animals on the race course every once in a while. and then tries to mark the course so it goes through all that. nurburg ring which is the benchmark that they use to test performance cars. It's different. and crawl through barbed wire fences.

43:25 So they're saying we're going to set up a rock there to make sure we're going to set up the course by a rock. Oh, Jesus Christ! broke his leg, we had my team in 07 And what happened in ours, where they're inverted, We went down to La Paz, and I got a call to go back to Loretto They're like, uh, is Bud there? We could kind of tell where they were the last time.

45:47 doing a podcast. But not on me. King of the Hammers guy, and Kenny Bartram. kenny bartram is this you know famous guy who cowboy kenny does uh he does nuclear cowboy And let me tell you why. I had Thanksgiving dinner with him. badass, right? Okay. So I go up to this guy and I look at him and he's an older guy. He's in his for 36 hours and they go excuse me sir can i'm not english so you just said give me your keys

48:38 stopping every time that there was a crest, I found him, and my co-driver had a concussion. So I went back down there to get my sat phone and get my other stuff, and I'm like, get the fuck away. And it did nine seconds Like hold on guys We're in Loretto. And he's got to check his dick. The biggest thing is there's accidents on the highway. Because they were out.

51:24 Poor fucker. So Josh Burnett, do you know who he is? Yeah, he's so smart, heavyweight fighter, amazing grappler, amazing fighter. You can hit it. and puts him on the hood of his car, calls in, waits for a helicopter to come. There's Josh. There's a lot of race courses around the country where the average person can do a track day and put on a helmet and drive fast to run a course.

53:47 He does short course. You can gear up in a in Arizona, Nevada. goddamn adventure in my life. I thought that was in Atlanta. Go check one out. That I don't get. Yeah, I don't get the rock crawling. Racing slow. No, you can't climb it with your... Yeah. It's racing slow. I'll fucking climb it right now, bitch. And then you have all your guys that work out of their own shop, smaller, building their own stuff.

57:39 well. There's actually only one rule that I know of, actually. But you get to, especially in competition, you get to breed the best of the human mind Stuck it off the back of their truck. And they did it on the highway. and they stabbed it into the nozzle It's like no more fueling while you're going down the highway. the herps hotels right on paradise that's a terrible place to go and stay.

59:37 Yeah. I was with them, and we saw that, and we're all kind of like, Throughout the 1,000-mile race, probably 10 minutes. Some people solo. There's a tube in your dick. It is amazing. It's the best idea. So it's in the truck? There's a hole in the floor. It does. her, like, holy shit, what is that? Yeah, but then you get to pee on the ground. and I had my race suit on because we came in so late,

1:02:33 I can't believe you think that's funny. How dare you? Eight bucks? When you're in a sport, when you have to have a hose taped over your dick, maybe there's For me, if we're doing well, about midnight, when you start to get tired, usually you realize you got a chance to win this race, and the adrenaline kicks in and takes you right to That must be where the real danger lies, no?

1:04:37 But they were traveling down the race course, down the highway. and they've got this happening, all the bullshit, you're going to get your ass kicked. We went to the rifle range. Is it the over complex society that we live in i think so i think and I've done it before, Turn comes up, the worst it's death. But isn't it weird that we as human beings You get to a certain part of your life and you've got to start chasing that.

1:07:54 And you're missing a lot of shit. And when I'm not racing, last year I raced 35 weekends. So I raced over 80 times last year and 35 weekends. So I think I need that adrenaline rush. you've been, it helps you build your character. But they said in normal life, you have the guy in the cubicle sitting in New York City. I did a movie in the Raptor. What year was that?

1:10:32 Wasn't me. ran over my strap like right where i was whoa i mean because you know what you're you're in this blinding silk bed i don't think he didn't try to kill me he's blinding silk bed I said, honey, we won. I want to be like, hey, guess what? Well, so many people try to live their life safe. That's not living. We have like a dinner party disease that we share.

1:12:48 You try to tell them an adventure story in Baja, like what do you what do you what do you do for a living uh do a radio show on the internet And they're already ready to die. when I started going to Baja, I went with Walker Evans scared the crap out of me. I really minimize all that stuff and haven't had a lot of crazy stuff happen. doing the Mint 400, stuff like that. And I quit my senior year of basketball. It was the dumbest

1:15:55 We're going to give you a nice cushy job. Stop. Six figure salary. Nice house. You were saying that Newman did it when he was Because you calm down. Because he just goes crazy? And I did that when I was young. But as long as you're close to winning the race, you're doing a good job. On all the classes, 150 to 350. When they start the race, they send one truck or one buggy at a time, usually every 30 seconds apart.

1:18:33 And that's where it becomes really sketchy, and sometimes where these, you know, Bud's The bike guy, it's just him in a small light. Yeah, they hear a trophy truck behind them. Some of the guys, the smart ones, oh, they freak out baseball stadiums behind them sometimes i hear a trophy truck behind them some of the guys the smart ones oh they freak out they look behind

1:19:49 that doesn't do this. When I'm going down if anything else happens. and they're like, this craziness well. yeah on the radio i'm like fuck you get out of the way i'll kick your ass yeah and i know what They just ram into you. So to pass that guy, you come up there, you hope he moves out of the way. Typically, he We don't want to deal with these slow guys.

1:22:18 That's the bump. we pass. You come up there, you bump the guy. Notice how I had a fucking... It's part of the game. It's normal. something in the psyche I can tell you from me. You're like, really? And it's 800 miles away. you're like, that guy would die down in Mexico. to plan out a race. I always say to people They're all on antidepressants, I don't know what it is, but I was hunting in Montana last year, and we were talking about employees doing things.

1:27:05 But that's what he's doing.. But that's what he's doing. Yeah. ESPN and then they were filming my whole special Because we have volunteers They'll be up for 36 hours and eat beef jerky You're more tuned in. You're more Be down there. See you when I get home. You're down there and you also see the people, how they live. but the kids that never grow up always come out of Ojos.

1:29:57 We hand them stickers. and they live, It looks like it's, Yeah. racers do a lot for the community down there. shoes. These kids have no shoes. Seriously, and you see a Rolls Royce in your neighborhood, So you're in Tijuana, and you're right. You look over. Yeah. Yeah, that is fucking bananas. from Tijuana. amazing. The people help us. They do so much

1:33:09 Shrimp. Mama Espinosa's. There's a lot of people that live in Mexico that join in on this. Him and his father, Gus, won it. There's a couple trophy truck teams, but they'll race Volkswagens. I know they do a lot of rally car races, No, rallies are big everywhere. Have you raced Dakar yet? We are going to try to expand what score is going to do and try to bring it to other countries.

1:35:31 Well, Roger's talking to them. and they basically just go to the sand dunes. look at these guys are drifting. That doesn't seem like a smart move. When the second car was built. once where they were talking about planned obsolescence, like planned, like that there's because what they're doing right now is they're racing cars If they develop a, you know, you do the R&D, which is the hard part, right,

1:38:30 brakes, checking aerodynamics, checking everything. And that technology transfers to your car, Same here. with a fucking Impala steering wheel. Depends. I mean, they fucking nailed it, man. Great time. Zero to 60 in three seconds in a fucking car that you can just drive off a showroom floor. Parnelli Jones said the same thing. wants the you know the 550 horsepower shelby now the 668 horsepower shelby but that 440 horsepower

1:41:37 it had the front air, the front Now you're buying a fucking Mustang GT. Merry Christmas, you little fuck. Yeah, the car fixes it. Stability management. and they have this turn 11 that comes off, What if you had to fucking maneuver away from something? I would go, on a lot of these. They have that. shit out can you unplug all that stuff probably that's probably wired in it's definitely wired in

1:44:35 But you couldn't have the traction control, right? Because that's what a lot of people want to do now, right? He's got a 69 Camaro, and it's got all new C7 Corvette And he drives that around? It's a cool car. Yeah. This is a video of it here. That's crazy. Good to see you. But most of all, car guy. The deal was a kid named Tom Sherwood used to race one of these on Woodward when I was a kid.

1:46:50 see it race in these classic car races and go, there's something about that car, not Right. Right. changed the name to that. That's the name. It's a 427 Copo. That's just what I called it, and we I like it when someone does a period car. Well, that's a beautiful-looking wheel. I mean mean that's a custom wheel you cannot buy that was made specifically

1:48:50 But that's a trend that a lot of people are doing now Yeah, that's the interior of the car. It says, disbrake. So he put like an old stupid looking steering wheel and everything? Yep. Now, how much would Tim Allen have to spend to make something like that? Regular cars on flat ground is boring as shit to you. Because I know you... raced in. We'll tell you what happened, but he

1:51:07 Yeah, RobMac21. I don't have Twitter or Facebook. Ah! Oh, we have one more thing for you. Little hat pins, like a $2 hat pin they've upgraded a little bit, but generally You get to remember us. 20th, you can watch it on CBS Sports. Thanks to Ting. Go to rogan.ting.com I think we left her. and on it, on it.com This is going to be pretty interesting.

1:54:31 Okay, we'll be back.