Joe Rogan Experience #497 — Tim Kennedy Transcript

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0:00 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! You're saying that you're laughing, like you're not? to do that first interview And just the appreciation and the respect that everybody has for the fighters is really intense but you first of all you being a veteran and you you being unabashed in your love of aviation. The last time I saw And he's like, hey, I got this.

2:18 that I handed my shot buddy to. I just wanted to, like, curl up and cry. You need to be in there for reference. a fight with joe rogan verbally does not go well for you i remember things just well i remember been there have come back and now they're here in time off getting to enjoy a fight and everyone's but there's no way to describe moments like that

4:39 You know, that's the really intense aspect of it is that there's a lot of resistance and blowback towards war and towards the military industrial complex and towards— He goes over there, and then when he gets there, and there's people that have heroic ideals, and they really do love and respect the idea of It's a thing that a lot of people put on like an outfit.

6:56 unless you understand at a fundamental level how awful and horrible war is. Those people don't – they have to answer to somebody, and the only people they would answer to are guys like me or guys that are better than me that are still doing it. And to deny the To get away with it, And how old are you now? a pro MMA fighter and I had five fights. I was four and one, you know, I just won this ECC 50

9:49 Can I pay way too much for really crappy jeans? after 9-11 to the recruiter's office. Wrapping around the supermarket. you're doing in your life. It was like, fuck this. Those dudes just flew planes into our buildings. like what is the feeling like because once you became active duty once you're there what is the When I see things happen, I almost have like this cold calculated response, you know, like,

12:59 yourself um not i would love to have shot him myself but I wasn't mad that I didn't get to, which Can't we take a look? It's been very clear, So, I don't know. And plus, I don't totally believe everything they say. going to start from scratch. The idea is terrifying to us. Like fanatical religious fundamentalists And the kid was, I think she was probably three when they adopted her.

16:14 That's their idea. Well, you know what? Yeah. I love artichokes. I like it. form of jujitsu boxing wrestling kickboxing hand-to-hand combat, small arms. is there instructors who set a program for you? and they have relationships to bring in experts. You train a lot down there in Albuquerque. no, he's humble to a fault, to a fault. Yeah. How so? Um, he and Winklejohn both,

20:15 and it's not by design. Um, You know, Really? dealer. There's this drug dealer. And then you're like, wait, is that the guy from breaking bad? Albuquerque is a weird spot. but that's where they are. So you train in Austin during your time in between fights. Yes. How do I was down there really recently, and I met the owner of that facility. like my brother on a whole bunch of different levels he married my sister or my um my wife's

23:15 He might be stalking you. Just trains? When I lost the Stryforce title to Jacare, and how to prepare for them. Um, you know, so since then I'm what, seven and one since I went there. to try to achieve some stupid engineering goal. smart dude and him and Greg Jackson Greg was his guest and Greg was like picking his brain about Yeah. Yeah, he's like the yin to the yang with Greg. You know, he's an interesting guy too. Yeah. He's like the yin to the yang with Greg.

26:43 Please don't hurt me. every time he holds now. Fingernails and toenails and hygiene? I'm like, come here, folks. like about to go into the cage and herb dean Dean would look at their nails and they bite, I'm like, no. Golly. Oh, more. they're better they're curved more curved they got like how many guys right now do you see with Right. That's how we make them better.

29:50 I was like, what the fuck is the difference? For 15 to 25 minutes. Bisping's eyes all fucked up. I mean, I guess it's diminished in some respect. Yeah. but like maybe like a band around the tips where you don't really do this ever anyway. No, but you do this. And the way a gable grip works is picture your hand if you're going to karate chop someone and your thumb was pressed tight against the side of your hand.

31:55 Yeah, 69. You know? They don't make any sense. with your shin, According to John McCarthy, who was there when it was all going on, at like 2 o'clock in the morning. So that is the real reason Yes. trainers, fighters, people in the know, I think knees on the ground, and it could be, you know, if someone wanted to have some sort of a compromise, yeah i mean outside of like the north south you know 69 position for knees to the head on the would suffer a damaging blow that you could have avoided by your own power.

35:08 Yeah, and also I don't like this thing the guys are doing where they drop one hand down Well, it's very, very weird. There's 10-9 rounds that are squeakers, right? Yeah. Every other fucking game, whether it's football, basketball, everything else. And not only that, the other guy is going to get more desperate, John Jones is a fucking phenomenon man that dude

37:36 And then he goes on game day, on fight day, and he's better. and I just felt like I could get away with that. He's a beast on top. When a guy has that relaxed underhook and you yank that arm up, Yeah, John's done a lot of things that a lot of people implement now. the groin when guys get tired, cage grabbing, like don't like it at all. So he's a teammate.

39:46 It has to change. It needs to be a priority. You watch, like, guys, and you compare them to the best guys of today like wow this is like there's been a big fucking jump the best of Vanderlei in Pride. No, that would be like a round. In those two decades, martial arts have evolved more than they have in the last 2,000 years. And if you were a really good boxer, you could probably punch better.

42:07 How can we progress so quickly where every Dalloway's pulled it off. like a good athlete you know i i do things in like ratios percentages percentages of, okay, I want to develop or give a certain percentage of time to getting better. So I'm going to, you know, let's say I have 10 classes a week, just easy round number in that in those 10 classes, you know, like I want two or three of them to be exclusively focused on drilling new techniques, you know, that I want two or three of them to be maintenance of things that I do well

43:58 and learning you know what about recovery like what about um what do you do that stuff What do you do? Yeah. you're only in there for like three minutes right Right. And then you get out, huge infusion of blood. So it closes on you like a sun tanning bed. that way uh you know you also, it's very responsive. three minutes up you get out of the get out of the chamber and then your body

47:03 want circulation so you want good healthy blood going to muscles that you've just fatigued to increase recovery and response time. That's fascinating shit, man. Wow. Wow. Deep tissues, great. So I have a crazy volume, like guys that come and train with me, they're like, this is normal. that you work with? Do you do it on your own? A little bit of all the above, you know, like,

50:07 So now I'm back in Austin, Texas. I think cheat days are important. up, warm up to cool down. in though i mean how much what do you what are you doing texas brisket so easy do you uh have any other like nutritional requirements like do you eat gluten do you do you take sugar into your Oh, okay. It was good. I know. I had it done on my neck. I had a

53:05 I'm like, do I want to fuck up what I just fixed? But the reality is it does cause some inflammation. You know, like then now we're just compounding problems where we have the enablers to cause inflammation. that haven't said that it's something special and when you cook an animal that you actually 100% agree. But then they judge me because I hunt. but I know exactly where this animal came from, you know, and like,

56:01 them and kill them i love them and that it's a crazy thing. Like people have, they find that like impossibly contradictory. Because you have two options. wild panthers? What do you want? that made a whole bunch of shit tons of more that come along with it, In my backyard. It's darker. They have a pond up there You could, from Texas to Florida, you could bring in every hunter in the nation and have them kill 10 pigs apiece and it wouldn't even dent the population of wild hogs in the southeast.

59:32 and then he owns a barbecue place and then serves up wild pig barbecue. I mean, it is the craziest fucking thing There are millions of pigs. don, uh, they, running, headshots where they're tumbling it might not be the most humane approach to it um it's an it's a necessary one Which, by the way, the male deer are going to eat too. through hunting. where there's fucking tree stands.

1:03:08 Like Tohon Ranch, which has 50,000 hogs. squirrels. Believe it. My dad, he was a narcotics officer for 30 years, door kicking superstar. And they also breed like crazy. Tree squirrels are actually good Of Meat Eater But um the other ones eat it yeah fucking creepy little creepy little. Yeah, they're nasty. There's a lot of creepy little animals out there.

1:05:12 they never get mad at us or they better better not start growing you know if you go back throughout It's like they're holding a hot pan. But to me, that almost discounts you as being such. A vegan lunch. think that somehow or another you not killing animals is somehow going to balance things out we don't let them interact with the other animals you should lump all those bitches together.

1:07:45 he knows how to get that's supposed to die. the movie Blackfish? And so it's just like this, again, shades of gray. My problem with sea world is very simple those animals are smart upon what geographic location they're at they're really fucking smart like human type smart and They let babies feed them. They're just happy. I mean, they're so happy they're in the zoo.

1:10:43 It gets, again, the gray area, The irony is these animals are, there's higher populations, they're healthier, there's more of them. But it's just another example of the world where people are coming. Well, that's a blessed buck. And Louis Theroux's documentary really captured it. Like, you know, three quarters of the way in. There's nothing here. It is true.

1:13:48 Yeah, you have to kill them, though. They are delicious. terrorists 10 years of my career oh like as a shooter oh i thought you're saying as your life you don't want to be a part of any of it. It took him a while to just sort of settle in. Because if people have this idea... kills anybody. Maybe that weird outlier at 40, but you know, as a community they'll absorb

1:16:09 And go look We gotta kill this guy Do we have to reach some new stage? how people should be or how people shouldn't be. away and from a mile away you know so like there's no range of death i haven't seen so if anything There's no necessary element for us to be involved in. Thank you. Whatever. This has actually happened? It's dark and the biggest or the factors are the degrees of coping mechanisms that an individual has.

1:21:20 you have the more stress you can deal with so a a guy like me that was a ranger, sniper, green beret, like killed lots of dudes can it's weird i was walking to a best buy and this is that was an exact example this guy driving a Like I just got back a couple of days later and I was like, should I shoot this person? So those coping mechanisms, like how much does that person have?

1:23:00 and he's broken and he's damaged. You know, like how. How does that person reintegrate into society without all the necessary a decorated guy wound up Like when you see these stories in the news, like how do they hit you? You know, like, oh, you're a veteran. experiences that each veteran experiences over there and brings back Saturday, you're going to be coaching kids, softball Saturday night.

1:26:14 is a great example, higher heroes, you know, he's involved with getting these guys back to work. the pharmaceutical approach where it was like, when you're over there, Hey, here's this. Yeah, I have friends who went over there and said they just gave them steroids. He's 38 years old. He's hurt. Testosterone replacement therapy. you have more knowledge, but the body just does not respond the way it used to.

1:29:53 weird element into one of the most dangerous sports competitions the world has ever known You know, like that expression is like you have now, you know, I'm 34. But we're in a sport where we're hitting each other in the face and choking each other unconscious. or now they're not being monitored, See, but that takes time. All these different chemicals that people do post-steroid cycle are also illegal.

1:33:15 the doctor will give you a slow dose of testosterone, slowly ramp you up. He's not And a lot of guys have had them. and we, just from the texture Some guys, but it is a sign. a little bit for trt because there's a bigger problem for the you know for the entire sport where yeah how does a guy get off of it in that short of a time and then have the ability to compete again it would

1:36:47 they were watched closely, and then performed as well after that point, you know, ever. you're just a genetic specimen, just a weird freak of nature, But there's such a big difference between that You know, like right now, Yeah. going to get a fair equal system. You know, system. Not where you tell a guy in Brazil, You're not going to fight for this organization anymore.

1:39:16 Not just cheat, but just the things that they're going to come up with to change the human body. Can you take, you know, Onyx T+. When you're using a supplement, that are dying at 41 from heart attacks, You know, I know a lot of people think that, oh, it's all fake. They're getting hurt all the time. You're going to get paid. hyperhuman levels that are causing you to grow tits. You know, there's, there's gotta be like

1:42:28 You know, it needs to have, you know, commissions and medical professionals that can adjust and which happens with almost anything that involves human innovation. And they're everywhere. Have you ever seen those images? The Spartans did it. I'm leaving it. I don't know if anyone's ready for it. And that's what they do. And that's what they do. They're going to inject you with nanobots or some sort of a new chemical that allows your

1:46:00 but our children's children You know, because, like, I want to reap the benefits of it, but then at the flip side, Grew up I was retarded when I was her age and I put it in her head every day they just weren't fucking home. I remember when answer machines were invented, where And maybe it was black, white, and green. and they find out that a guy with the exact same name

1:48:54 They downloaded some pictures. look that up but homos you know and then they did yeah when they also said you know he needed a lot We did 100 porns. Yeah. And find it out on your phone. And they can, you know, like you can find out anything about anybody And Mexicans. Don't get me wrong. But for some reason. People have a problem with strength. People have a polarizing figure. I don't know how. I think I'm kind of a likable guy, but for some reason...

1:51:57 I think anybody who's paying attention Open your eyes. and anyone can just light people on fire. I mean, anyone can do it. It hasn't happened that often, the same thing about a tractor Why isn't that the subject of discussion? anybody should that person be penalized because someone decided to just wake and bake every day nobody cares about. You see it's,

1:56:11 There's about a billion right ways. and then you see the coach go, get back in there! You know, it's. Yeah. You get glimpses of the depth and hardness of somebody's character and soul. as a human. And, you know, a lot of people think, Mud runs. Their parents never gave them values. didn't earn it, who got that place But the really remarkable ones you know, that like they have nothing and just through hard work, determination,

2:00:29 and they're at this exact same point of their life as this rich yuppie guy that are just bit of that guy's strength and that feeling that you get from being around that guy. It's empowering. fight. Teach them all how to fight. Everyone. I think that is a core problem with men. Men have I think the dramatic decrease in bullying and the respect of this,

2:03:04 for boys, I was like nine. I remember saying a bad word on the mat and having, you know, my sensei come up have a difficult situation and you navigate it successfully and you go oh i'm a better person now think guys like you are important man i think you set a great example on that i think you set a to admit, but like, I'm always searching and seeking to get better, you know, like, and I,

2:06:05 There's dudes who have bladders like mine who could just power through a three-hour It's large and it's durable and it thing you don't do the same way next time. You say, you know what, I made a mistake the last Guys are doing fucking hundred mile ultra marathons not the underdog, but that has no resources that then all, you know, like, um, there's this guy in

2:09:04 And now he runs he's an inspirational dude in austin that just tells people to run and your life is going to be a wreck. And that's a lot of people don't realize that. And they just try to work through these negative cunts in their life. You know, you learn from watching them fuck their lives up. and i went whoa keep the fuck away from coke you know and i didn't have to do coke and go to rehab and pull myself

2:11:44 anywhere when the guy's on top of you dropping bombs and you're starting to see sparks and the versus Matt Serra, sometimes it's good to tap the strikes because the fucking fight's over. You're not going anywhere. I'm big, I'm strong and He just gets choked out. Let I got let it get completely popped backwards and then won the fight anyway. Mm-hmm being like, that's the smart thing to do.

2:13:57 there and i think we're kind of agreeing each other from with each other from different perspectives Yeah, I don't know. It's a good-looking gong. If you had a fight that was four months from now and you don't have to worry about your weight, what are you going to weigh? point of diminishing returns where some guys like anthony rumble johnson's perfect example god he's

2:16:05 past the point of diminishing returns. around healthier. My brain's working right. You know, like my libido is good. You know, I'm 10 pounds on top that's just water right 10 pounds of water yeah i think my final cut's usually like How many bags do you use? Frankie fought at 155 and weighed 155. You know, I'm 5'11". And I, I just can't reach him. Is that possible?

2:19:28 pre fight camp, fight camp fight. And, um, kind of, if you look at like a, like an NFL player, I'm getting my technique better. If you were going to get down to 170, if Robbie Lawler beat Johnny Hendricks, how would you do that? And how would you do that? Yeah, absolutely. those like how about i use some straps that looks yeah grab the bar and do some more weight you know

2:21:33 Yeah. So you would just start and fought Rick Story. You see the difference in Maia when he dropped down to 170 and you know fought Rick Story Yeah. When he fights at 170... He's a little soft. That'd be awesome for me. I think there really should be more of that. That's what's really crazy is that it's sanctioned by athletic commissions. One of the things about weight cutting do you find that are an issue?

2:25:05 Maybe. There are a couple of times where I wrote some blogs when I was deployed, So I'm like, yeah, I have my eyes are wide open that there's, you know, physically going to be some repercussions to me fighting, you know, for me jumping out of it out with five years. It's not much. You have a window there. Yeah. You got a five-year window then. I want to save some animals.

2:26:55 I haven't. And I think I want to have an opportunity He's a great guy. I'm not that smart. Well, I definitely look dumber than I am, for sure. Yeah. I look way fucking dumber. I think you would be great on a podcast i think you in a pot the beautiful thing about So we've already discovered a limitation to... And the beautiful thing about it is the access to the audience,

2:29:55 If I jump out of an airplane into the water, into the ocean with a whole bunch of sharks and go swim with them, people are going to tune into that. waters and then rode a motorcycle i think this microphone was... you do a lot of videos, too, with Ranger Up, right? I think it's Tim Kennedy Black Swan. They do fake shit, man. And their instinct is still to fake shit and to put fake shit in that you don't even know about.

2:32:02 No, you're not. Is this it? What compelled you to do this? That is scary. That's like Miyamoto Musashi's Book of Five Rings. Oh, God. swan, both the black and white version, and be able to understand, um, I'm neither. Roosters like to fight. So like POWs, And then he kind of had this revelation that it was that he had to. He didn't have a choice. So when I walk out of that

2:37:08 Joseph Benavidez fights. Do they give you any pressure about songs? in the production. And I don't, I have no idea how, you know, legally that, that occurs. So Like, that is all they are capable less when you're And he has no resources to continue his life. You've got to have something else. come and it's gone. like if I don't achieve it in that window, I can move on, you know, to the next thing to then

2:41:11 Crazy. it is crazy when you see those stories, That happens, bro. Yeah, they're beautiful when you have them filleted over a grill. definitely in the realm too. And if that's the case, then maybe I am two fights away. did. Do you look at that and say, well, if I do get to a title shot at 185, how much time would I fight in that fight. I win, I'm fighting for the title and I lose the title. Can I kind of

2:44:15 You did a great fucking job Chael Sonnen-ing But when you hit—I hit him so hard. He's also, you've got to give it up for him for mental toughness. Is he the personification of our nightmare? the cage time and time again at 24 minutes of the fifth round, that dude was still trying to get up for me. And he's got some serious problems. It's a fucking hurt game.

2:47:12 fights and then they moved on and then you know i had john jones myself like this room full of dudes we're hitting each other just as hard there as we are in the cage, Lawler famously said that he doesn't really spar. When you're broken, when you're're, when you're trying to do it all, you know, when, when, when you're broken, when you're hurt, when you're tired, you know, and sometimes the only way to get there

2:49:17 No, there's, you know, the thousand ways that I could have prevented ever getting there, but I still have to see what it's like to get out of it. But you threw it. Yeah. Not super bad. Dude, you're a crazy man. Please. Don't be a dickwad, all right? Thank you very much, brother. That offer is only good today. Print U.S. postage directly from your home computer, folks.

2:52:13 And I think I have a podcast with Aubrey this weekend too.