Joe Rogan Experience #498 — Aubrey Marcus Transcript

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6:22 What's the best blender? But go to Onnit, O-N-N-I-T. Here we go. I'm back. he had gone down here and done this huachuma experience, see what this is like, see what this unique tool is good for. It's a little bit harsher. So this place that you're going to in Peru, is this like a center? So I click on the link. I'm like, alright, what is this? You're dealing with internal processes that are very intense.

10:37 And there's all kinds of crazy stories like that. obviously, as I've described in previous journeys, it can be incredibly powerful. How fucked up were you? And it was a combination, not only of the medicine, but of the integrity of the place. and he's my homeboy. Obviously, no direct links to Gandalf. You can talk to a lot of the different teachers about this.

14:00 looking back, you see that that was like, that was my resistance. Yeah, exactly. a lot of stress and, you know, we've been pushing pretty hard. So when I got there into, into Peru, It's kind of an interesting place. There's a lot of what you would call in Thailand, you call them tuk-tuks, those little bikes 500,000 people and there's no roads? Uh-uh. And it's like a jungle town.

15:43 and then we met up with Don Howard, jungle that he's been preserving. So his journey at 19, he got called to start working with peyote And the vilca is the most potent DMT experience on the fucking planet. that usually with these shamans, they don't speak English. So you kind of get a vibe from them and then you do the medicine and it's all kind of magic.

18:27 And then everything is all screened in. comfort. And we're going to do the medicine the next day. And that night I was just, fears and paranoias, other jungle rodents that are in the trees making honking noises and all kinds of stuff i mean everything else was pretty nice no obviously air or heat or anything so anyways four in the morning i'm draped in this mosquito net and i finally you know i'm finally

21:25 never going to shit again whatever other fears that i had and you hear the stories too like don't new psychedelic, which is crazy unusual. Anytime, even if I take like a small dose of mushrooms, How did they get a piece of the moon? they have a big centerpiece in the altar called the lanson and that's like an ancient kind of And he starts going around the room and he's got you know kind

24:48 Like the ones that are really comfortable in the medicine, Not going to stop Gandalf. bust out a huge smile, you know, and I was like, all right, let's, let's do this. I was like, It's kind of ruddy, kind of red. Um, but it's pretty, No, not what the plan was. part is going to be very exuberant and may even result in uncontrollable hilarity, you know,

28:16 But then by the time we landed on this little inlet and you're cruising through the jungle. It's in these rivers. And it's crazy because you'd have no idea how they know where they're going. Cause they're going through these like want to kind of stretch. You don't know if you want to run. You don't know if you can just, mushrooms and this kind of visionary clarity and this just pure ecstasy of, I feel so fucking great

30:39 Like everything is beautiful. Like they bring out these little bananas for us and we look at them And so they come and they meet us. So I don't know. Well, I'm a big fan of dolphins. I didn't have to figure out any of these problems and worries and concerns, loneliness, fears, everything. everything started, the energy started to drop. And I remembered back to what he was saying,

34:14 made stronger by the Wachuma. And I start to have my first visions from this experience. insects and things. And everywhere you look, there was just life bursting through every seam. and seeks order in all things. between this life-giving, feminine, succulent, seductive, this part is good, you know, and this part is bad. It just all comes forth naturally without any choice.

37:29 And I could see how it would be to consciousness itself, right before we pulled up. Wow. It's really cool. bring up a picture of that because it it's almost impossible to describe, um, what this actually looks like. Uh, it's pretty, kind of interested in doing that, but for some reason I felt weird just grabbing it off the altar there's a bunch of candles in front of me, but for some reason, I didn't even feel right taking a light from those candles without asking first. So I asked the candles,

40:45 to go light from the candle in the middle. Didn't ask, just didn't even, it was kind of unconscious. whatever you do, there's a give and take. When you take an animal, at the very least, something that, you know, I'll always remember like, all right, you know, the give and take of It's like you're seeing imbalance. not in tune. I see it all the time.

43:42 Right. Yeah, that feeling of the balance, the reciprocity, just the being aware of the give and take And then they used to give free... and they can't they can't understand that and they would give ceremonies of the wachuma and the vilka then other things started to creep in, hierarchy, power, militarism, etc. Even the Incas, which The night ceremony, yeah.

46:13 So one is this skeleton, and the other is this voluptuous woman. clean of any kind of frequency that you might have, like a really strong, like resonant sound that just goes straight through your whole body, which was kind of a cool experience in itself. blowing these vessels that have been used for this purpose, them about that? What's the connection? The icaros are kind of their own special thing,

48:49 the whistling vessels and other things that make kind of other shrill sounds. And then of course, and it feels good, but it takes one of those other seers to experience it. And I don't like here's the truth, it's written down in this book, Because everybody, you get to that same conclusion. and that's the beauty of this kind of work And it was a combination of the Florida water, tobacco,

51:26 with this kind of fiery kind of lightning sensation that you feel. And it's almost like, like, okay, you're done. He just completely trusted you that you would move and you would And I looked back, and Don Howard smiled, and I gave him back the stake. Do you ask them to answer essays? Why is it I always have to ask what happens when things go wrong?

54:28 Yeah, for sure. There's only like a couple in the world who've been bestowed this great ayahuasquero honor, you know. So Banco Curandero, Don Robert, and his wife, Doña Ocho, who's another like really badass shaman. I mean, is that possible? Kind of like the shaman who Amber talks about where, you know, to them, that's the dark side. but god damn you have to sort of include that and the nocebo effect of believing something

57:14 And Ari had his balls out. Would they do that? Like hypnotists. comedy club. Cool. Hooked me up when I was just starting to headline. But I watched this guy dozens of times over several years i watched him and we would all He would come up with a name, whatever he wanted to say. Women would be embarrassed. It wasn't that they were acting. I'm hypnotized.

1:00:52 what you actually see in any sort of traumatic circumstance are you really, really collecting? I mean, you could be off by hours. It's not how much of it is a lie. use the simulator to give you an a very accurate idea of what cinnamon mayonnaise tastes like and I believe, and if I'm butchering this, I apologize. through counseling. If you don't agree with their dogma and their doctrine, you'll get a lot of rejection.

1:04:02 You know, I'm seeing people saying this is an amazing thing. that no one's freaking out. Where's the outrage at the fish markets? is imprinted in us. And then the combination of that mixed with these people who are desperately fighting it because they really can or are barely hanging on. oh, his homophobic comments. I know the guy, but my friend really knows him.

1:06:30 Yeah. So it's like ruining his head. He's working his pimp game strong. the information that was given to us, Sure. It's the heredity and region is the absolute hands down number one deciding factor about what religion you are. Eddie Bravo and I both had very similar childhood revelations And we were like, okay, like, what does that mean? You can masturbate more, you can't eat bacon,

1:10:08 but they believe in Jesus. When I was six, I guess, five, six, whatever it was, which was first grade, I guess it was six. I was like this and Uncle Sal together. story to the point where the men aren't fucking and the women are wearing penguin outfits and can't have that but they also couldn't completely squash it out so they kind of reconstructed the

1:12:40 So it was like communing with St peter and taking a glimpse through the woo! It should be an Onnit t-shirt. I mean, I still eat pretty good for obviously a normal person. If you want to look, you can find the one that's actually in stone. all the way going all the way up to the sky god damn that is dope that is badass wow this is I want to meet this dude who's from Kentucky who lives in the jungle.

1:15:40 It's so different than anything that we have locked into our heads is acceptable I manage some kind of smile. I'm nauseous as shit. I want to puke, but I don't want to puke because I know if I puke, beautiful i'm like it's fucking not beautiful i see this noni tree and if you ever had noni fruit Like a funky, ball sweaty. And everybody's on this walk.

1:18:37 didn't care about the earth. I was so focused on me because of my own pain. And I realized forces more people to shun them, which sort of reinforces their bad opinion of i felt more different than everybody i was like i'm a fucking weirdo everybody's feeling great I see this tree that is pretty, you know, looks pretty good for climbing. I'm like, Like I did something that I was supposed to do. I made a choice that would lead to my happiness. So I started to feel a little

1:21:51 They lit me up through my shoes. of here. I just basically took a beating from my own mind the whole time I was there. And as it was really running rampage other than just this kind of gentle guidance. So tough experience in the And I looked at that. were burning all over her skin. And there was oil that was being drawn out. Like, like someone was consciousness and I'll take care of the rest. And the way she said, I'll take care of the rest.

1:25:18 And then what I saw there is what she showed me or what I saw was people, you know, I would touch somebody. the same to somebody else. And that's how this problem is going to be solved. And then all around a way that's just never had an opportunity to move like this before the ideas that got passed word to I mean, yeah, there's people that are holding back.

1:27:59 We woke up like we're on a spaceship that's headed towards an asteroid or something. Can we turn this thing around? Bill Nye, the science guy, who's just a brilliant public speaker when it comes to defending science, was on the show. could harm business. so we'll keep poisoning the earth to make money. I mean, I know you didn't say it that way, No, no, no, no, no.

1:30:36 incredible amount of need to do that, if people decided to focus all their scientific aspirations on fixing all the problems on Earth in a profitable manner, it would be the biggest industry of all time. purifies the ocean water. other of these creatures can't do on earth let's say something fucked up was gonna happen to earth it's necessary otherwise we're just completely at the mercy of these other forces i think

1:33:07 And one of the weirdest ones to me that that was unnecessary do you know how much military like how many options they got that they And along the way, they have to do battle with evil. don't want to separate from emotion we don't want to be a fucking computer that's ever existed, ever. And that the fact that things maybe are exactly as they're supposed to be, you know.

1:36:06 Right. But what can that technology reproducibly get? Nothing is. Yeah, that's so true. podcast that i said that quote you know no man ever steps into the same river twice for he's not back and forth. I mean, it's not just stories on the internet. I'm hearing people tell their about this so it's reaching this kind of critical mass which is really exciting huge in the mma world

1:39:38 for MMA fighters that he doesn't need, and it'll allow you to perform as an unhindered soul. It's not like ayahuasca is telling you that as ayahuasca. a cop-out for not trying to be more enlightened but it was a legitimate thought like I was like and still be funny that i think the the way to think about that you me is, and I think part of this experience opened it up, is being on that path to enlightenment and restricting yourself from drinking or having to be in a certain way is kind of like that shaman that's playing shaman.

1:42:29 not going to be playing enlightenment it's just going to be being there and deciding yeah we're You know, don't hate, don't actually be angry. Point out what's, mock it. Yeah. You know? All right. Don't hate. You can't ignore it. It's almost like instinct. That was a choice. and he said something that explained his side and then you hug like you shake hands and you hug and you and then

1:45:10 Doing ecstasy, I didn't think it was going to change me very much. it better be a joke involved, you know, but when you're on ecstasy, it felt totally normal. people actually like them or if they're just pretending to like them they're going to turn kind of open that up yeah you know well they are technology and they have been used by people we It is. It's holding back our freedom.

1:47:34 A is this. You're blowing it. It's like Angelo Dund to sugar ray leonard before he came out to knock I didn't really understand that. heart to heart and i was like all right and i could just feel this kind of warmth and knowledge that doesn't require the magnificent calculator that we have, because it is a cool things about working with a real master like Don Howard is he could have told me that, yeah,

1:51:10 Do you believe that you experience, you co-experience other people's trips? Now, I will say with non-plant medicines, which I've done a couple, They do like 5-MeO, have you ever done that? of what is synthetic and what is natural. that lake you know so the lsd lake got formed by albert hoffman and whatever the 30s or whatever But when you're consuming a psychedelic, the idea is that you are becoming one with it.

1:54:03 I wish I was Canadian. they're all connected the idea that you have to be in another dimension your mind's another You go into the next door neighbor dimension. And that's really kind of what you're seeing from that guy is that his reality and his future changed. and working out he does jiu-jitsu he loses 70 fucking pounds he becomes a blue belt he's you

1:57:20 The bleeding edge of free will. And then we could solve the debate as to who the number that we did last night, the Fight Companion. It was like subjects came up. And it made me think, man, I might like doing that more than I like doing the UFC. No. the more they constantly surprise and delight you If he wasn't that arrogant and confident he would be you know, I would really be suggesting he try something different

1:59:56 Is there anyone out there? I don't know. All right, Bleeding Edge of Free Will. So final ceremony, the Air Masada. And, you know, I gave that same big old smile from the first day and he gave a huge smile back. Native American flute and We get ready and we're going to go on a long hike this time instead of a boat ride. So we have some I have two instruments that I can kind of play.

2:03:33 So the prerequisite for the whole audience will just be to be blasted on something. this crap all over me i'm just kind of in a tank top i got bug spray and i'm not trying to be a about crawl on you because you think the universe has a test for you the only you're in the bug's It fucking worked out. mandel type thing like well i kind of did yeah like that was kind of like that was me not trusting

2:06:10 We're headed up to the altar. And I start to realize that life is just a series of these the last time but i wasn't afraid of this time so what were you afraid of like taking in a parasite a bunch of people in our group that did it and were fine, There's a lot of goddamn people going down there on a regular. Dengue fever. in this area. and I'm healthy as fuck. And, you know, I made, you know, I assuredly the absolute right choice

2:09:18 I had taken the most what you might have taken at any point ever. So I'm more blasted than I have move on his behalf. And it wasn't like a deadly poisonous ant. It was just an ant. And then I have this power over us, we give them this power. They're also causing massive amounts of what true violence is really all about, there's no hugging you know but sometimes after you duke it out with each other you realize how

2:12:23 It's not there so that it shapes your life They can't pull out of it This is why rapists get beaten up in prison. Maybe you're going to be subject to somebody doing something bad to you. is creating pain, but I'm going to keep my own sacred autonomy of what my feelings towards that are going to be. It doesn't work that way. You could fight. lifetime to make sure that less people experience bad things in their lifetimes that is a real ripple

2:15:58 can change the experiences that people have. about all the different slayings is important. This is my land. and he saw that the the puzzle was ridiculous because there's no solution and in the moment Well, I get up in the morning, I turn on my computer, ultimate stillness. And you can do that in a float tank. You can do that in a medicine journey. You

2:19:38 like nothing at that very moment, you know, could actually harm me. And I realized at that bleeding edge of invincibility, at that bleeding edge of fearlessness, not that a bullet couldn't kill me, I'll never forget, you know? And I realized that all of these people that talk about the That's some deep shit. Indeed. That conversation What happened there?

2:21:51 that it comes in ripples and affects different states of the mind at different times in the frustrating to you. What is that? Is that free will? No, there's no free will. Come on, son. But isn't that like how a decision works? The thing that these neuroscientists are failing to recognize and then there's another thing called consciousness. revelations that your little puny mind makes when you're over there because you're in the face of

2:25:38 They just have to show you. There's a direct connection between something, some atom, some object, some physical, some gas. Like, it's still all connected. Spiraled like a, you know, I mean, look, It's fucking connected. We just have compartmentalized our biology Agreed. That's us, man. So this is the same night. that I was like, all right, this is going to be pretty significant. So walking into the hut,

2:29:33 metatarsal bone like a bone from the knuckle bone from your foot that's hollowed down the center He's kind of struggling with it and having a challenging time. And he finally gets some down. Yeah, totally. it in my you know i got a big nose so that helped out i think so i stick the knuckle in my nose and Yeah. to go. I was this nexus of energy and lights and spider web.

2:33:15 is gone. And I find myself in this room with a bunch of different spirits. And one is like this me, you know, please do so. And I held out my hand, my left hand, and she grabbed a hold of my hand, And then I started the process of coming back into my body. calling bullshit on these kind of stories yeah but this is what's really important it doesn't matter

2:35:56 It might be a hallucination, You're right. unfinished business or anything it was just an amazing opportunity to connect with her you know, I, I didn't have any of this kind of kind of unfinished business or anything. It was just an amazing opportunity to connect with her, you know, but for me, the change, Yes and no. And it becomes infinitely more complex the more you pay attention to it.

2:38:46 well there's these colors and there's these chat oh what the fuck is this oh what is this this is It's just fucking so out of your world. This was stretched out over 40 minutes, just have an awareness that it's on. And I remember consciously being like, I got to shut this off And then just found myself coming back in and just marveling at the magic of this machine that we

2:41:37 me and then puts her finger to my lips like hey shush that's a great way when you're tripping You know, the alfalfa had a fucking shitty group of friends. This is how the hut got built, bitch. and realizing that the core of my center, realizing that within me is that same connection And there we go. the difference in your life since uh you know you feel like you've been exposed to these ideas?

2:44:16 ceremony was, knowing my way back to that feeling of fearlessness, knowing my way back to that Absolutely. It has a big effect. And then I just had a ruthless, savage bag workout. something that i need to learn over and over and over and over again, although I know it, although I've espoused it, I still need to see it in action because sometimes your ego and your

2:47:05 I was floating. I was high as fuck, just stretching. of take pride in being a fat fuck or joke around about you know you know being lazy and this some that other whatever that other is but the first steps you got to take care of the base root you Like, she's, like, really obsessed with it. of it is, like where you can find it online, It's very interesting. It's like, I really like it. It's a was smart. She's very interesting, but I didn't know how good her writing is. It's very interesting.

2:50:05 She names off all the different drugs and how little exercise he gets and all these different things it's really fun if you get a He'll throw shit out of you. That was silly. But it's not empowering to whoever's listening to this and it is actually affecting you. Indeed. Holy shit. I gotta have Mitch on the podcast. We had Donald Schultz about those weird camps

2:53:00 and crazy shit going on. these African hunting camps. That was incredibly fascinating. and everybody else is. You see, that's crazy. Donald grew up in South Africa, The Louis Thoreau documentary was goddamn incredible. They seem so fantastic and almost mythical, There's rhinos and elephants that are trapped inside this rainforest like, I mean, of exotic life

2:56:55 It is. this has been fun. It's always fun. But there's lessons to be learned in all of those for me for you for all of us and uh i think one of the most Be good to your brothers and sisters and the earth. it will take place tuesday night at 9 p.m with the great doug stanhope and the great tom rhodes