Joe Rogan Experience #504 — Steve Maxwell Transcript

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0:00 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! Ergonomic? Besides You know, the chair is like the new cigarettes these days. They say that people get herniated discs from wearing a wallet. Well, it's sort of the same idea where you're sitting with one part of your hip above the other for years. Like, someone tried to explain to me that everyone has, like, sort of a boundary on how flexible they can be.

2:15 Like I forced myself to stretch in really painful positions for, you know, 30 seconds at a time, rest for a minute, 30 seconds at a time. And when I'm down helped me get over uh you know from both wrestling jujitsu and so forth. So the body is very malleable, very pliable, This guy was very wacky. When a guy kills a guy with one punch, How does that work?

4:32 and leave the one intact that he wanted is just mind-blowing. And then he'd have you stand up and he'd look at you, see if you're leaning to the left or leaning to the right and where your posture is. I'm short. these different things, but they never get massaged. You're basically trying to hurt each other as much as possible. I mean, the foam rolling and a lot of times mobility exercises work pretty good for that, self-treatment.

7:04 Oh, sure. No problem. Yeah. it off. It's like, if you have that for more than like, you know like X amount of months, a lot of times those nerves never get fully – they never return 100%. And to ignore it and just keep pushing and driving through. there's guys that, like that let themselves get injured. where you have to realize you got got and you got to tap because if you don't tap and you get your

10:11 Like John Jones versus Vitor Belfort. Yeah. It's an interesting thing, isn't it? know yeah you didn't get me you know even though your arm's all fucked up like i've not tapped the Then you suffer. Like heel hooks. Right. I mean, they might not be able to hang on to it just learning the technique. And maybe you can kind of get out because if you just turn your

14:19 even if you know how to execute the technique with you know the perfect leverage and all that know, I had the first jujitsu academy in the Eastern Seaboard, in the East Coast. but they had a couple injuries, and they called him in He came to my kettlebell class. front raises with his shoulders. And the guy literally does a Turkish's get-up with Ronnie.

16:23 Don't break Ronnie. and hitting sleds and doing power cleans. He wasn't even like a giant amongst men. And you see a person like that, and you go, And there was a guy, I think his name was Ron Chandler or Rick Chandler. and picked me upside down. They all go to the NFL, man, where they can make some money. his name? Oh, the German guy. Yeah. Huge guy, but not doing so well in MMA.

19:41 And you could pull the video up. And, okay, if I were to fight that guy, But Tim's a big fucking guy, too. you know, he probably might be able to lift twice as much as Sylvia. taking a guy down, and then he just springs right back up to his feet. I mean, you get that adrenaline dump, and it just is so exhausting. And a lot of times these guys aren't breathing properly.

22:14 from a lot of the other jiu-jitsu guys and talking about how much emphasis he puts on breathing in his training. there's different constitutional types. Well, you've got to study this stuff. But what would make you different from him? And these people, you know, And then look at the dosha types, And how did you discover it? It's just like a broth for a week.

26:16 Your body is capable of ridding itself of all that stuff once it's not burdened by digestion. So it's body, mind, and spirit This is fascinating. I like to be active. I'll go with B, competitive. Slow and steady at a leisurely pace. My moods change slowly. I have a good memory. you know their coaches, where they trained, their records. Almost all of the stuff that I talk about during the fights

29:12 But if you ask me things about, I don't know, the Oliver North trial or something like that. I need help getting things started, but I am good at seeing things through to the finish. Okay. This is indicative of a Peta type. It doesn't say, though. Obviously, it's in English. There's a dietary regimen that goes along with this, Excess heat would cause my joints to deteriorate and cause osteoarthritis and all sorts of stuff like that.

31:46 Hmm. Like the chili and that type of stuff. I really have a problem. I mean, it's, you know, emotional, very issue is a very complex issue. It's very complex. I mean, Right. But for general health, I mean, there's not an animal on God's earth that needs supplements. nuke their food in the microwave and so forth. Incredibly addictive. I mean I do online personal training and diet fat loss programs.

35:46 rappers. It's like, wow. But you know, that's what's happened to us in modern society. So yes, Or getting fish that isn't polluted with mercury and all that crap. Like I'm being poisoned? pollution. And I stopped and it was gone. But I was getting arsenic poisoning from sardines, Or remember I mentioned the panchakarma, this detox thing. When people say – it's a weird thing.

38:09 yeah, they probably do need to drink a little bit more. And I was like, well, you're flushing your body out of toxins. Like, there's all these... therapies for producing a good sweat. And if you think about it, the skin's the largest organ in Man, my God, they feel so good. Oh, wow. Yeah, and she was saying, you know, I would really not do it justice. Oh, that's fascinating. hormone production, and the effect of heat stress on the brain.

41:57 the ancients were not stupid people. You know, we're so smug with our technology. Yeah, we are, people and they take their clothes off and then they leave them in the jungle. Oh, I did hear about this. And I don't know if they have any sex. Yeah. They're probably dead in one. Yeah. I mean, you could just heat stroke even with water. So, you know. ants, man. Well, they have these rites of passages

44:24 just keep stinging. in the most intense agony, unimaginable agony, hands he got his hands all strong and sounds crazy man you just watch him just drop to his knees and there's things called, they're called, there's certain rituals where it's not called a Ayahuasca doesn't harm you, and in fact, ayahuasca— or ever observed in the body. and I thought, you know what, what if I had a bad trip in this stuff, man?

47:17 And I thought, that sounds really fascinating. But they have those ayahuasca trips that you can take down to Brazil and even Mexico. a legit shaman, I would love to go with you. I've been thinking about this for years, you know. don't want to be tripping your paws off and then something goes wrong. There's no one there that can handle everything. So they figured out how to take the leaves of certain plants, which have DMT, or the vines of certain plants, which have DMT,

50:12 center of the universe. The most amazing, unbelievable psychedelic experience you could They just got sick and that was it. and that's essentially what you're doing when you're you're having these psychedelic experiences There's no reason why you think you should be able to handle it. mckenna had a um a line the only fear is that you may die from astonishment yeah it's because

52:36 You would get high off of certain plants. It's in thousands of different plants. You could extract grass that has DMT in there. Bink! Yeah, kills them. But, you know, sometimes you have to think about these so-called studies, Well, there's more transparency now than ever before, Sure, sure, sure. are so accustomed to doing. People have learned how to wrestle.

55:20 Who can punish their body more? harshness of the the regimen you know they just kind of let themselves go they they didn't want And the Russians had swore they were going to find a guy to beat him. So, I mean, but, you know sometimes you you think like was it worth it when did you put out your first DVD? actively on a DVD and teaching people strategies and techniques to fight off the aging process,

58:40 there's like a Slavic health system and Russian system. They really developed the mobility to a very, very, very high level. group divisions. And that takes its toll. But thank God for the mobility. It kept me fairly, Every single day. There's a lot of stuff from the night, sleeping all night. You build up substances on the I also have like a special little scraper thing that, you know, like little fingers

1:01:02 And this dry brush massage really is quite excellent for LA's not too bad. Yeah, there's a way that you can briskly use a coarse towel. Harvey Kellogg, the guy from Kellogg's? He would give him a daily enema. But the towel treatment, and then I'll do the five rites of Tibetan yoga. The five rights can be done very quickly. It stimulates the hormonal system.

1:04:26 along with the, are you familiar with the prostration exercise? It's pretty tough, man. But she was bent over with her back to the side, front. Yeah. and a lot of people can't do it. we know no problem it's shocking joe when you see what's going on out there i mean just utterly Think of it this way. But then you're sitting most of the day, right? Go back to the office.

1:07:50 People aren't moving enough. Well, I like turkey's get-ups as well for jiu-jitsu. on the hand, you know, and it's kind of like standing up in base, and then you sit up with the kettlebells, you sit up with them pressed, and you do a sit-up. You press them, and then you sit up with the kettlebells. Especially with kettlebells, right? Deconditioned businessman.

1:10:11 You grab a grappler, you hug him, and you feel their back. And is it any wonder that people are in pain? I've been pretty shocked at how much decompression relieves a lot of pain in the back and about how much – for like a couple weeks it was right when i was doing my sci-fi thing too so i was doing all these and I was pretty good at it. sciatica. burning sensation that was just agonizing and what is that is that nerves yeah the nerve was

1:13:28 and you're being held up underneath your armpits. Like a dip almost. Much safer exercise. CrossFit. i finally brought right before this guy. The guy next to him, They shouldn't have been lifting that weight. While you're bringing that up, I'm going to take a quick... It's so horrible to see. Oh, Jesus. gives out too just in a different way his legs just yeah that guy guy to his left, his body gives out too, just in a different way. His legs just get, yeah, that guy there. See, he'd already, his body had already given out and

1:17:50 repetition. I know some people get away with it. I know some people do it, but about CrossFit. The over-under, you said 35 minutes. It definitely feels better than I usually feel when I'm leaning up against the back of the chair. Just like that. That's how you're supposed to sit. Standing at your desk, like, it would Yeah, it's a different kind of.

1:20:00 aren't gonna hear what the hell yeah lean forward Yeah. But the worst thing is to let your back do this and your head come forward. I don't know. That's not good. Well, I worked out the guy that put him in jail. So we came up with a plan. But he also put in like one of those stand-up desks and would pace during phone calls and And, yeah, he prosecuted little Nicky Scarfo and put his ass in jail.

1:22:26 You know, it never came up. I don't know if different police departments have different standards that they have for It just scared the – the only thing they could do in a situation where someone would resist arrest would be lethal force. It was like, wow, dude, you were so overweight and so obese and so immobile. You know, I've met a lot of cops through martial arts, you know,

1:25:14 Like, what would you do if you didn't have your hand on your gun at the time? It is insane. I mean, it's pretty crazy. they lying? And, you know, criminals are pretty devious and they're pretty good at lying. I hope you don't do that to your kids, by the way. There's nothing wrong with that too. I mean, sugar's not good ever. And I tell them that like, this is not good for you, but it tastes delicious. So we limit it. I try to talk to them like, I mean, I have a six

1:28:06 to give your body vitamins. It's important But I say it's important. Guess what they do as soon as they go to their friend's house? and they would sneak bags of candy and stuff. And it's a terrible way to do it. And then when no one no one's around like she was at a party the other day and i watched Like, to raise a kid, you can't just go on your instincts.

1:30:17 And there's no directions that come with raising a kid, man. or they just bring them in because it's the thing to do or whatever, you know. I think if you want to have a life where you contribute, a life where you're a person who is a beneficial person to society, it's real simple. rag on people for uh you know like that hadn't uh hadn't reproduced but he was a degenerate and

1:32:43 The thing that really bugs me, and you see this in jiu-jitsu or martial arts a lot, where guys give up their dreams for the kid. I think most modern kids have too much esteem. you know, they let family just completely undermine everything they were doing for their And one of the best examples that you could have as a parent is just to live a balanced life, to live a fulfilled life, enjoy yourself, enjoy your time.

1:34:32 very much so. And, you know, like the old man has been working all day and he comes home, I was making sure they weren't hurt. Let's see. Zach, he was a little bit more philosophical. And that's the other side of it is the folks that go through it work out and pursuing your own interest and not just making everything about the kid, Is there an age where kids shouldn't lift weights?

1:37:01 I mean, obviously, kids, when they're small, they don't have good motor control or good motor Yeah. up the son of the greatest jiu-jitsu fighter ever you know has to be not just on the block not in Yeah. All that cheap plastic toys and all that stuff. So, I would tape dollar bills up was a buck. It was a heaven for little kids. All that cheap plastic toys

1:38:39 But, I mean, he got good at climbing stuff, I mean, he was doing this stuff when he was really, really little. He learned to do this stuff from a very young age because he started when he was like three or four years old. He would like swing his body in the stairwell and jump down the flight of stairs. Nah, kids don't get hurt. You're going to get hurt.

1:40:56 And when I used to teach wrestling and jiu-jitsu and so forth, teaching people throws was really hard as an adult because they had this terrible fear of falling. and a brick. I broke my arm! My mom Yeah, I'm sure I was. And she's only six. I was like, how many women can do that? with like a, man. And I got both kids climbing that rope. We're going to be like everybody else.

1:44:09 I have my possessions, she has hers. but I'll tell you right now, I am not going to. see, I got her. She's marrying me. I did it. You know, they go, yay, we're getting married. Like, Yeah. You lose two thirds. Jamie was showing me this yesterday. I guess they don't have prenups in Russia. and I can speak from experience because I've been married and divorced three times.

1:47:20 Wow. a whole different being than that girl, The woman still becomes the mother. I mean, they don't want to be put into that role. also have a hard time getting sex. and man when you know they tell me it's uncanny how many of their male clients will always proposition and try to rankle sex out of them. Yeah. It's also a damn shame for a guy to pull his woman out of something that she loves to do.

1:50:30 Hey, I don't want you working out. You're crazy. And it happens so often. What did you think about on number three? actually, and a lot of feelings of Which wife did you have the kids with? So how old is your oldest kid right now? Yeah. John Fred. into a new place Johnny Freire. And then Hoyler lends the name to the school and shows up, you know. And there's still a lot of call for jiu-jitsu.

1:53:36 defense, the L.A. Gracie self defense, I consider myself one of the top authorities. I learned it What do you mean by stand-up self-defense? through the use of leverage. Yeah, kick them in the head. and they were talking about TJ Dillashaw was preparing for this fight, I have no idea. Yeah. Well, you could really kill somebody. There's the thing. Oh, play the video.

1:57:16 Oh, Jesus Christ. Yeah, it's fucking horrible. You know, the ramifications of using that type of violent behavior, and for children in particular, to teach them that, wow, they're going to be thrown out of school for sure. We were watching it during one of the podcasts that we do, He's backing up, dropping guys. Here's a video. Bam! He's got a good jab, too.

1:59:07 Bam. Drops that guy. Hands up high but still. imagine trying to fight That'd be a horrible situation, and they're yelling at each other, out on their feet, and they're like, holy shit, and they were both really well trained. each other. And then they high-fived each other and got back in their cars. It always ends up being stupid. I mean, those type of things.

2:01:18 whipped and he wakes up later, what happened? Had brain surgery, I mean, barely what the details were, but his car was plowed into. Had brain surgery. You know, it creates, like we were talking about earlier, like the NFL. Unless it would be some kind of like body shots only in wrestling or something. You know, fights everybody. Never gets hurt. Even if he gets dropped, gets right back up, seems like he's fine,

2:03:12 But you got a sense that he's damaged. Eddie Alvarez just pulled out of his big fight with Michael Chandler, leg out and as the guy's kicking his It's going to be very interesting to see what happens in these next 10 years with the first Like is that glory worth having those hip replacements? Right. Because if they don't make football safe, they're not going to ban football.

2:06:32 The goal is to get a ball across the line to score. Slosh up against the side of the brain pan. Yeah, I mean, one of the things that the guys can do. Boom! That's just like a nightmare. Test them all you want. Jim Brown. They're so big. Both boys were. Wait a minute. Because he did the told me the story that he missed the bus from Carlisle to Harrisburg to play the game.

2:10:19 He ran 18 miles. Jim Thorpe, he wasn't a big guy, but, you know, they played both ways. And were guys smaller too. It's more like organized team wrestling. take away the helmets. People are like, that's so counterintuitive. But you're not going to see the traumatic head injuries like you do with the gloves. You probably would. Just dropped him. If I did that with my knuckles, it would fucking hurt.

2:13:05 always taught us not Pankrace, Boss figured out, So he was throwing them in a very traditional boxing way standing up or on the ground. So everything had to be these kind of slaps but boss just threw the whole fucking system out of whack because he would just crush guys Yeah, well, Elio was like 90 and he was still grappling, right? He liked to lie there and let you try to do stuff to him.

2:15:19 He didn't hurt his knee jumping off the back of a truck. jiu-jitsu itself was like this new thing, these new effective techniques that the folks that were aware of them. The original judo was basically identical to jiu-jitsu. That being said, my son said something interesting to me You're going to get your lights punched out or, you know, But once again, we're not fighting trained fighters.

2:18:42 Why would you ever put yourself in that position? Yeah, pretty much. It's like that. Yeah, thanks for the injury, And the Gracies actually learned a lot of these techniques and took the Sambo and embraced it and put it as part of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. Yeah, it was really good. If you maimed a soldier, maimed them, then it would take at least two comrades to take him out.

2:20:58 with one maiming. They're going after leg locks. I remember Hickson was wearing this. Higin in his day was a bad motherfucker. I don't know much about it. Oh, okay. I had it done on my knee and I had it done on my wrist. it forces the ligaments to swell and then strengthens them. Well, the FDA at one point wanted, stuff and got them to ban it. Yeah, they used to use it as a liniment for racehorses. And you put it topically on the

2:24:53 I've been putting it on the shoulder that had been bothering me. for no good reason. You take a heavy weight and you continuously throw it over your head, It's like a dead stop you know the the momentum and you know i mean there's always people that can seem to seem to waltz through life doing these It's all hip and butt and hamstrings and lower back, and you've generated the force.

2:26:55 I mean, I'm not talking about like just doing it with lighter weights, but some of these guys, you know, they're into 40-kilogram kettlebells. It's like a rotation and a twist of the spine. Well, I mean, the getup is going to get all that. need a whole lot else. Just get-up swings. What about presses? Well, presses are always a good I was using a squat rack, but I felt like it's harder to do it this way.

2:29:10 Yeah, he's a strong dude. Very knowledgeable. I do. 65-liter bag. Of course, I have workout equipment in my bag. The little bar that you use for it, I use it with my rubber band to do rubber band deadlifts and such. I just carry this stuff around because I can, I mean, first of all, I want to make sure that I can help the guy. Everything from, you know, your work to, you know, almost like that Ayurvedic test you took,

2:32:29 most part, you know, it's unnecessary. Once he does this fitness assessment, I have a really They just want to be healthy. How many clients do you have that you do this with? I don't track it because it's different each day. Like you don't say, hey, I'm taking a week off of life. Whoa. So I'll be doing my iPad while looking out at the beautiful blue of GNC.

2:34:51 That's interesting. Yes. and take a 250-pound man and throw him like a pillow. So you can communicate with this modern technology. That's so fascinating that you do that. No, there is no home. We're going to just hang out at home for a few days. 61? I mean, I enjoy it that much. Somebody posted a video of you working out with those guys the stunts you know it puts a lot of stress in your body right it's not necessarily the uh kind

2:38:13 That guy can put his legs up there in the air. But yeah might not be the best way to go for especially people over 40 because the joint trauma, you know Yeah, I mean, the whole thing is built towards developing these tricks. I mean, it's no joke. Yeah. Most of my training was all geared towards uh So, and every country, especially the poorer countries, you know,

2:40:38 And you'd see people using them. Look at this guy's hanging on this other guy. You're looking at them. For example, women often like want to do dance because they want to look like a dancer. lines of a dancer. And the same thing with the urban gymnastics. Really big boned guys with big that seem to do pretty well. which makes combat martial arts different than any other sport on the planet

2:43:11 They can make it. They become a little bit smaller. That's him at like 48 years old fighting in Strikeforce. and explosivity, they Yeah. Do you think that's bullshit? Look at that. One is the young guy and one's the old guy. Well, he's doing, obviously, It's double hard to believe. Jamie, do you know how to do tabs, you motherfucker? 1982. That's crazy. So he's

2:46:59 Amazing. It seems like to be that big, you'd have to throw some weights around. Larry is doing some body weight exercises. is that they get the big super athletes. Look at him running sprints. One of my all-time favorites was this guy, Woody Strode. He was one of the original body weight trainers. That's terrifying. remember he defies the Roman patrician who orders Spartacus' death, and

2:49:41 Because he's defying Rome. Diego Sanchez, you trained him infamously for his BJ Penn fight. chronic hamstring pulls on his non-kicking leg which was his right leg was his non-kicking like I'm pulling 90 pounds all the time with my right arm. You can't grab it with your other hand. I've been doing rows. Left and pull it back with my right. one day she says, hey, man, my husband's having some serious problems. He's in pain a lot. And I

2:52:19 That if you have a guy throwing thousands and thousands of balls Holy shit. Steve Maxwell, you're awesome. Go to rogan.ting.com and save yourself some money. And MaxwellSC.com is the website that I've been looking to the whole time that we've been talking to you. Let's do it again. Good night.