Joe Rogan Experience #509 — Steve Hilton Transcript

Transcript

0:00 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! Oh, what have you got? Well, it's a good move. Yeah, I'm trying to fight it, Joe. communicate with friends and family and loved ones and send texts and i i i find it incredibly addictive though And there's new sort of etiquette developing about, you know, how to handle this. It's just like anything else. at that point. It's like, I've really noticed that if you just, you know, they're watching

3:20 There's nothing else on earth that gets a four-year-old to just sit there. Yeah. Motionless. out and I'm like, let's do it. And it's the most predictable show of all time because they look for alligators They catch the alligator with fishing line. You should invest your time. But my favorite response to that was I'm going to now attempt very badly apparently there's some bloke who's going around saying,

5:58 documentary and with he did a show also called 30 days because I know what they're doing. They're like, where's the liver toxin? where he's trying to achieve the same results and they wanted to do it in 30 days I'd get your blood results back. It's like, it's entertainment. I found some similar issues with certain producers up that's not what goes on in a doctor's office it's not what would go on in a doctor's office

9:19 So I got to see where these people had their backgrounds from and almost all of them had their backgrounds from dramas or from sitcoms or from the world of fictional shows. So this 30 Days show that doesn't exist anymore the local news for the mbc news and we were doing some demos of stuff with people in santa monica And it was really interesting because they said no.

11:16 But they really did say, no, we're not going to fake it. But it's also interesting that someone suggested they not right exactly exactly yeah that's the that's And then these two guys came in with cameras. So what you have to do is convince some member of the public that's around there to take that person's place and to say that they were the ones who saw this UFO.

13:10 That was the most shocking thing. We're all looking at each other like, wow, people are fucking full of shit. But I think most likely it's they want to be on television so they could go home, set their DVR, and, you know, it's on, it's on, it's on, it's on. and disappointment their own these things they just made it just made it up and they just went with it like you were saying

16:14 the exact same genetics, the exact same hormonal system, and one person does yoga every day and you know, like pop culture obsessed, nonsensical, They're not curious. cars and throwing rocks at their heads which they've had in los angeles in the past especially people and you think you're getting over no one can stop you you know and it's i think one of the

19:17 I think that when you, I mean, that point you just made about, knowledge. You've got a majority of people who are basically interested in good things happening. because the mass of people are just not interested. that was in the news where one of the members of the Bilderberg Group in, I think he's some Dutch people feel yeah and i certainly noticed i used to work back in the uk in the government and i noticed that there i've been in politics a long time that's how people feel. And I certainly noticed, I used to work back in the UK in the government, and I noticed that there, I've been in politics a long time,

22:20 I think that's the real problem. They voted to repeal gay marriage. And that was one of the consequences. And the idea being, for a lot of them, that it was a religious decision. like, whatever the quote in the Bible that says... It's bad. the decision you know Is that? Okay. And if one of us is retarded, not literally, but are people with Down syndrome,

26:12 We don't ever let you recover from Don't get to vote. Arizona, Delaware, Florida, Iowa, Kentucky, Mississippi, Nevada, Tennessee. like some stupid thing. Yeah, I think people are just so tired of people just fucking up that they're like, Yeah. Stop stealing fish. where the decisions are made by people It's all just too big and removed from that human scale.

29:33 you could deal with that because it's not happening in Calabasas. But if people in Van Nuys were going to war It's something you have to deal with. our immediate atmosphere. with. There's some guy in England that I think at Cambridge University, did some research about the maximum number of people that you can really that old fucking goofy flip phone you carry around with you.

31:36 ago. I mean, how much has it changed? I mean, how much more room do we have for social relationships? for this world that we've created and it's it's popped up so damn quickly yeah exactly it's really that's what you're doing with we don't have information we can trust. We have all this spin and ads and all the rest of it from So if you look at all that campaign finance information, the money behind this politician, that is going to give you the best guide to what they're really going to do in office.

34:56 number of people who put money into politics, it's a really small number compared to the number of I don't know if you've come across what he's been doing. it doesn't matter what it is, whether it's big businesses or unions, it doesn't matter. You're allowed to give money to politicians which is an internet-based news show. And they have no censorship. They have no restrictions.

38:30 It's 10 and a half million a month now. So, yeah. Look at what's going on with this Edward Snowden case. to distribute things through this new channel. it becomes much more easy, The whole thing just feels so antiquated. But that is what we're trying to do. And actually, the politicians themselves, in my experience, they, you know, you'd think, well, maybe I would say this because I used to work in politics myself for the prime minister

42:04 of Congress. And so the people who go into policy, they don't want to live like that. I don't know because I've never done it, I don't know. I think ultimately the idea of leaders whether it's uh presidential leaders or whether it's uh representatives i think ultimately that's going to go away and my my thought about it is Be the one who stands at the podium.

44:24 a lot of the things that I was trying to do so that they can control more and more aspects of their life putting power in people's hands so that they I think you're right. Definitely. especially if you're if you have a job that's taxing as it is and you have a family and you not more time. And I think a lot of the kind of, um, organizations and people that have tried to

47:06 But based on quite a lot of complex... And that's what technology allows you to do. That's what we're trying to do to make it really simple. that would never be up for vote. and make all these things standard. One of these experiments People would have to kind of relate to each other as other people and just which was that, I thought it was such a great little story.

50:04 And in the drive from my house to here, I don't know them. And there's nothing less human than a light a stoplight red means stop green means go wait You just, yeah. This asshole, fat fuck telling me when to go. On the cops? There's just massive amounts of abuse when it comes to police officers. that there's tons of them that are great, Complaints have dropped dramatically.

53:31 And so they deemed that unconstitutional and they removed all those lights. freedom is because freedom isn't just the freedom to do as you wish. It's the freedom to not have complicated and it just gets and then a new government comes in or a new governor or whoever we were noticing that there's this theme that's going on in a lot of restaurants where they have

56:17 Yeah, it's definitely true. This is all the chemicals. It's disgusting. had that kind of, you know, ugly vegetables that you can get. I think you're totally right of crazy. Like, and then you get on top of a building and you look around at how far the no So the only way we get water in California is we have to take it from thousands away, Sustainable.

59:32 I just totally agree with that. They're really, they look kind of big and solid, but actually we're so dependent on them that it makes us really fragile. If they collapse or fall over or whatever, whether that's a company or some government system, It's not just voting power and political power. And very few cities are diminishing in population unless there's something horribly wrong, like Detroit.

1:01:28 where it was where America built and other countries. today, you could buy a house for $500. And I'm not bullshitting. They had houses for sale. where trees are growing through buildings. Yeah, but that shows you how easily it could all fall apart, to reclaim areas that human beings feel Yeah, and I guess it's that point that seem to be thriving and working,

1:05:03 and that's been going on for years, for some of these problems to be worked out. Yeah, Chicago's a disaster in that sense. It's a great city, but it's just, it's interesting how long it takes for some of these problems to be worked out. the best way to fix it he goes legalize drugs he goes nobody wants to social problem, but actually it's everything that comes from it, the crime and the gangs. And, and that's, I think, you know, the most intelligent argument for legalization.

1:07:28 It's pretty interesting stuff because it just shows people this is what you do when you make things illegal. That's exactly right. that are winning in different states, That is seriously bad. You're at almost 40%, okay? And big business. their way towards Colorado because they realize this is a multi-billion dollar industry in just Is that right? They're going to think, I don't need to cheat that dude.

1:11:35 Like, why should a grown man be able to come? shit that they say well what it's just too many numbers, too many people. But what I'm interested in is like just coming to, you know, They don't seem to get anywhere. but I think the internet's influence is barely two decades, 1994 to 2014, right? And this newfound freedom, this newfound ability to access information, it's going to take

1:13:58 You'd have to have a physical meeting. You can't shut down the problems because the problem exists on Reddit. And you see these really dumb ideas that spread like wildfire Now, the next step really is to really take that energy and really direct it into the heart of the political system. No one's figured out a way to sort of organize this whole thing in a way that's much clearer. And now we're dealing, it's almost like code. Like,

1:17:01 Cut all that shit out. over the course of a decade, if you could just figure out a way to put that kind of whatever it may be and we're going to get kids to learn whatever I think sort of a community approach to these things is going to be the way to do it. You could see these people have an approach, And it's almost like sort of ensuring that poverty and that this is going to be.

1:20:38 Right. I think that Finland is a good example from what I know. That's really important. They are so in debt. This is fucking insurmountable debt. well certainly than I was when I was at university But the amounts of money involved are just staggering, really unbelievable. But it's a huge amount. And if you think about the amount of access But actually all over the world, in Africa,

1:24:24 and especially a professor that they can do that with and, and, and go out and then use that knowledge and ability to do About professors. Yeah, and he had this great piece of data, which was that if you look at... And he said that is just not healthy. that we found out about the lack of privacy that people have. I mean, essentially, that's what Obama is.

1:28:39 Most of it, I mean, when you talk to people that are journalists, That's not what we want and when the government supports things like that we don't really, it's very important, we don't take sides, we don't have a point of view as a company about individual issues. But I think that we do And I think that that's one of the things, again, that's really helpfully being changed by technology, like you were saying,

1:31:20 You get shit for just trying. and they're not really interested in so people kind of give them a fairer hearing. You know, they made that choice. of the constitution. And when you're in one of those places where you, When you look at the way that interview- I've really noticed the difference. you're a part of this wacky system. You're a part of this system that's not going to expose these things.

1:35:04 That's what I've noticed. Yeah is it it is it and it i i believe it's getting exposed and i And I think George Bush is the last guy to sort of skate away like that. of events. And this guy feels that shit. And he's just sort of wandering around on his fucking ranch, Whether it's Jeb Bush Which is terrible, I think, by the way, because that's one of the reasons that so many people get put off.

1:37:35 couple of weeks and you're fucked for the rest of that guy's out there waiting to talk shit about like victimizing people, horrible things that are completely unconscionable, that you wouldn't do, when they were younger like what is what is the answer to this and no one really And it probably makes you better, not worse. Instead of that, well, you have a person who's who was 14 and was pregnant with a child and had to take care of her child.

1:41:15 Political resume. Yeah, I came from a poor family and the broken home where a Bill Clinton had a you know, and and it's okay that kind of because it's totally legal. I mean, if she gave them pleasure by rubbing their bodies, by rubbing their shoulders and backs, no one would have an issue with it. but if that was kind of exposed or whatever, That's what I think. I absolutely 100% believe that prostitution should be legal.

1:43:02 I think emotionally it's got to be incredibly difficult to have sex with someone that you don't want to have sex with, but I don't think it should And whatever decision you make has to You know, if it's a woman's choice to do so, and some women would have no problem with Whatever Elliot Rogers this crazy kid that shot up everybody in Santa Barbara Santa Barbara

1:45:32 And I was like, what the fuck does that mean? This is not the kind of father's stuff. And just because you're a shithead And this terrible attitude about things well there's so much nonsense that's i don't even really want to get fuck for money like would you be on the man's side of the woman's side then which which position attracted to each other.

1:48:20 Yeah. Who are his friends? of having a great life, of not being persecuted, of not a great life of not being persecuting of not being There's very few 82-year-old women. which is like she's just really constantly challenging those kind of stereotypes. Yeah. Other than that, please shut the fuck up. Be nice to them. You're 80. and this is why we need men's rights.

1:52:21 They're babies. in that parking lot, I'm not worried about that But as a woman, you really have to think about that. of women, especially like in college, it's crazy. We're aggressive, we're filled with testosterone, So, yeah, we need accountability as men. if your back is bothering you, you can find a massage place one a mile. got a lot of sympathy for it, but I just keep coming back to this thing about, well, what is the, if, you know, what is it, are you going to set up a situation where it's not really a choice?

1:55:41 whether it's drug use or whether it's sexuality. free, how is it possible that it's illegal to do for money? It doesn't make any sense. I see your And he talks about how divorce rates are way lower in places where brothels are legal. get divorced and they go through this huge stressful situation in australia you just go to a brothel you know and jim was joking around about how his his mom and his dad were fighting

1:57:53 if children are being forced to work in factories at young ages, that don't make any sense. That's what they're dealing with in New York City now. So you deal with some situation where women are allowed to be topless. rather than the people and stuff like that. And I think one of the biggest things that's going on is the way that kind of plays out when you think about sort of social issues and stuff like that and i think one of the biggest things that's going on is um the way that kind of that kind of the sort

2:00:31 And there's lots of studies now at a much earlier age That's a really good point because it's so prevalent and it's so uniquely new, You know, I have this joke in my act that is a true story about when I was 11 years old, me and a couple of my friends found a magazine in the woods that was a foot fetish magazine. And, uh, we, it took us like a few minutes to realize what was going on. We were

2:02:16 In the woods, right? You know, Because for me, you know, and that we were stunned and confused. I really do. And the whole kind of, and women's own sense, that's been made in terms of women, within the next few decades, where we're going to be able to read each other's minds. and Googling things to read each other's minds. I think it's going to become far more complex.

2:05:35 information is easier to access than looking at a screen and asking a screen a question. The interface is going to be somehow to establish There's not. Well, think about what it used to be like before language was established. he's becoming a prepper you know like uh he's fucking setting up his house for solar water You don't want to do that. me that there's this um work going on at stanford they have a virtual reality lab and they're

2:09:01 they really give you a deep experience of that through virtual reality. And I think it's just, the moment are just so kind of superficially dealt with. It's not really happening. Joe, And I just literally can't understand it. It's, it's really like when we start getting into quantum stuff, I don't even think the lowest point, not the lowest, but the smallest measurable point of reality, which is these quantum ideas.

2:12:28 They're figuring out ways to send particles through time, They're never going to stop. I think one thing I would say about all this stuff of freed women from the drudgery and the horrific kind of washing machine all that stuff that was That's great. It's like when Oppenheimer built the nuclear bomb. to integrate these ideas into society and use them to enhance society? And what is being done

2:15:10 There's things that are awesome and then there's repercussions that are like, transmit ideas is so much quicker and faster and there's these repercussions to that that were We don't know a good, good summary. that's it and then you could shut it off occasionally but just give it to very few people That's all you can get is touchscreens. Exactly. The mark is there.

2:17:35 You're very Unabomber-esque in that way. But basically he was a part of the LSD studies at Harvard. Yeah. Obviously, I know what happened, this technology would eventually do bad things to the human race and to the biological existence really extrapolate where we are right now, and where we're going, this symbiotic relationship where we're going to have weird choices that never existed before.

2:21:05 I'm just interested that there is... I can't remember exactly when it was, but when you had this sort of industrial revolution and the luddites and they they objected to that not incredible And they would literally physically smash up the machines. but it was big enough that it's something we still know about, For the most part, yeah. And ultimately you have to figure out what outweighs what and how to lean it towards

2:23:54 You know, like problem-solving games. Like, I am getting a voice. Yeah, that system is created by kooks, unfortunately. I'll tell you the full deal when we get off the air. This guy knew all about my grandmother, man. You're playing games. that anybody has a functional psychic energy and method that is reproducible than chance so i think there's probably something there there's probably something when you think

2:26:55 I don't know, but I know that a fucking channeler You can't read all day that they... completely non-existent because you're just trying to find the next person to jerk off to you're just but you bet that guy the other week that came out within the government which could you see he was Well, I don't think that guy was doing a good job of protecting the environment.

2:29:31 if you give them, it's like we were talking about as far as professors or police officers or anybody If this guy can work... for years apparently it wasn't like just he went nuts in just one week for whatever reason went He'd be like, Frank, what the fuck are you doing, man? It's at your little fingertips, especially if you're, like, sexually starved.

2:32:28 about before. we're just animals really and basically That's where things get really weird. connection that human beings have to technology and the potential for developing artificial technology or artificial life. And the innovation of technology will eventually give birth to a life form. But what I read from this and what I got out of this is like,

2:35:29 and human neurotransmitters, We haven't totally figured it out yet. You're trying to show people how smart you are Yeah, no, I agree. It is. What they do know about the mind and they do know about the body is comparatively rudimentary when you think about what we know about a clock. We know everything about a clock. You know, you could buy a Swiss watch and there's a man out there that knows every single function of that watch, knows how it interacts, knows exactly what's going on, tick-tock, tick-tock. We don't know that

2:37:19 And you're going to go, oh, shit. Oh, great. but it's about how great it is that technology has provided him with a way what if it was both legs okay and then they figured out artificial legs who would say no to that your memories downloaded into some creation, some sort of a new thing that they've done that mimics all the functions of the human mind

2:39:58 And I remember saying, no, I wouldn't want to do that because I'd feel I'd want to have really done it myself. I never did figure it out. But I think it's something we better start talking down and interviewed him about these things and it was really fascinating. We had a great conversation, but this guy is not thinking about negatives at all. this guy in some sort of an artificial form i mean it's one of the things he's discussed this this he

2:43:24 So by where things were, meaning knowing everything in this room, they'll be able to calculate Look at the content of the dirt, I can't remember which Woody Allen film where And it's only going to get more and more baffling. Because things change, because things grow, and things evolve, including humans. It's great. because worry causes preparation. Preparation causes you to cover your bases and

2:46:16 You know, don't get nutty and sit in front of the TV 24 hours a day. Yeah, and that's why I totally agree with you that the more you can give people the freedom to If, uh, if you're interested in that, and the elections are today. It's really early days. This is the That's the plan anyway. He's on the right track when it comes to that stuff too. Bam.

2:48:41 Go to LegalZoom.com and use the code word ROGAN at checkout for savings. That's the next podcast. Big kiss.