Joe Rogan Experience #514 — Duke Roufus Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. new term retro rogan well those techniques what we're talking about is uh martial arts techniques So everyone knows how to spin kick and so forth. We might have played it on the podcast because it was so awesome. Yeah. Badr Hari came back and knocked him out with a using them. the rolling thunder kicks, the wheel kicks. It's a controlled chaos in there, and I enjoy that.

3:36 you're like where the fuck did that come from but in mma on any given night you'll see some crazy no that's from the bottom that's what i enjoy about mma like i said the chaos something new Against roller, he actually used the cage to sweep roller. I actually, I mean, I'm not BSing when I say Anthony the kick off the wall just on the pads and they're all like stop like what did we do wrong we want to

6:13 And I got so many texts after the fight. I think anything works if you train it enough. Like, oh, man, my leg's going to be toast. It was one step ahead the entire way. I did an interview with Ron Kroc on Inside MMA right the week of Anthony's fight with Henderson. Anthony. You know what I mean? But they forget about his triangle of Shane Roller. People forget for whatever reason, they don't think of his ground game as the same level as they think of his striking game.

9:37 There you see it up there. It's got to be nice for you, too, having trained that guy from the jump He's a cool kid. I want to talk to Nick Holtzkin from Glory. So he's trying to train with the best Glory guys, best Muay Thai, But not everybody can throw kicks like him on top of all those things. I love that look on the fighter's face when he kicks him.

12:17 thumping it just a little bit of that and it's like man you can't even for the average person It was a very ugly sound. I mean, it's crazy to win an NCAA championship. I think the most brutal thing you'll ever do, striking-wise, kickboxing three times and it was all in one night. I fought in a tournament like that. Oh, Yeah. Oh, shit. you got to be able to control,

15:00 tone down, that's a really inefficient way to fight, though? Right. reinforced and appreciated more in mma there was a period of time that was disturbing to me You have to be technical There is a chronic problem And I think the defense is everything. I'm going to go out there and put on a show, Well, it is an art form and it sounds crazy to call martial. I mean, the term martial arts,

18:46 his techniques he knows how to utilize, It's beautiful. It is art because it's an expression of your soul. bobbing and weaving in front of him forrest is hit in the air and then anderson cracks him like I love Sugar Ray Robinson films and obviously reminiscent of the great Ali. I mean, even, you know, my favorite fighter, He's probably one of the best ever in Muay Thai.

21:24 Look at this. Yeah, that's style. So I watched fight, Thai fights, Dutch fights, Japanese. That's what I do. they're trying to land that. Hey, here's a good question. yeah right uh technically i believe so so like but that's what you would want to do you'd want What a downed opponent means is you can knee a guy Yes. The knee has to be up. That's where we'd see even more Muay Thai elbows.

25:11 Well, that technique is, that is really one of the most ridiculous rules ever. And so they went, all right, as if this is anything more powerful than this, It's also so ridiculous. In the UFC, the cage would, like, you'd be mashed up if someone's soccer kicked your head. Like a basketball court where there's plenty of room to move around, but there's no cage.

27:24 Again, I think it's technology. And you can check out techniques. Yeah. you know like try to be like benny the jet orkides you know, or one of those guys that was fighting back then that was, like, really, really good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I got to Thailand I don't know He lives in Japan. I see you on there. If people are anonymous, it's almost impossible to keep any forum completely clear of shitheads

30:57 Which one exactly was it? Where people are talking about this past UFC, which I thought was great. I love the Mighty Mouse fight. low for the UFC. then we got all of our good free fights and you know it's kind of like back in the day remember Oh, sick fight. and he's honing his boxing as well. you're going to get crushed because that's all Marcelo does.

33:59 certain guys that never got good on the ground they've been doing mma for 10-15 years they're But if it's stuck standing up, they're helpless. Well, you've got to learn. S-T-O-I-C-I-C, I believe. Yeah, but he's going to be fun. well there's a wild fight in thailand we'll bring up in a second. There, he knocked him out. Look up D-E-N space, And I'll show you the fight why they can't.

37:00 Now you can only take a step and a half. So he's A-class too. I've been there, like, I'd go three months at a time. our friend rob common just uh yeah here we go here watch this duck bow oh my god but check it They won the bet. Plow. There was a few other incidents where they hit the ropes and both would flip. Like everyone got into doing premier league betting on that instead of going to the stadium.

39:54 He shattered his back? Yeah, crazy, right? Guys would get caught up in the ropes and techniques. Yeah, those were insane. They were beating the fucking shit out of each I made Sean Shelby and Joe Silva laugh while Choked Hoyes Gracie unconscious on the beach And, like, they're all challenging him. What a tough SOB is, you know? You know, he had the thing.

42:50 I was there at the end with Steph, and you trained with him. Andre Penares. who's with Alpha Male, and our coach, Daniel V. And as well, our friend Fabio Prado, who's with Alpha Male, Yeah. I mean, being exposed to the Askren brothers. or appreciate the dedication and commitment that's required to put in. Very few people understand or appreciate the dedication and commitment

44:57 and then pass out before your training. but when you're on r&r you just You're only as good as your last show. It takes that special person to be one of the best. a great wrestler, like elite amateur wrestler, got into MMA and shows dominance in the grappling that we have rarely ever seen before. champion i thought that was completely stupid and crazy too

48:41 Fits. early now. I'm very, very impressed with that guy's wrestling. when they want to go to sleep Was Damian Maia versus Anderson Silva exciting? You know, sometimes, oh, man, this is going to be the greatest Super Bowl, Like the Canelo Alvarez fight wasn't particularly exciting. It's scary how close it is right now. You got Hector Lombard, who's fucking ridiculous.

51:25 through Pat Miletic and man, that guy's worked so hard to evolve, adapt, change, and grow. I don't And he's so disciplined. you know, pull yourself out of the, be the Look, if you're, if you can still move correctly, who gets this incredibly high level of aptitude in all these different areas, I think Matt Hume is an incredible coach. mean, you know, just in general, you know, if

53:44 The flyweight division is going to be the next ultimate fighter. I mean he is the type of guy It was just like every rebound, every, this kid wouldn't stop. That should probably be banned from the fight contracts. I'm not sure. I would worry more. But yeah, I mean, unfortunately, every year or two, I lose a friend in Wisconsin. You know what I mean?

56:13 There's not enough designated drivers. a lot of the guys in production, meir got his leg broken he got t-boned by a car a guy ran a red light slammed into him broke his Yeah. he had all souped up he got in a motorcycle accident his ankle got bent back the other way I know. Thailand's crazy, though. on the weekend and you know all these chicks weird Hey, sexy man. I'm like to my friend, man, these chicks really dig us, man.

59:28 very, very, very feminine. Yes and no. I mean, they don't look like the other Thai women. He started off that he was 10% gay. were hanging out with these lady boys One night, my wife went to Thailand with me once. Thailand's a wild place in all sorts of other ways too, right? And then their families like all, cause some go to camps and some just train with their families.

1:01:59 like is she gonna fight and i'm like maybe i don. I mean, like fighting isn't for everybody, you know what I mean? You know, they live at the gym with you. Some of the guys I brought over from Thailand, I had to teach them things about life that they didn't learn when they lived at the Muay Thai camp. what it is. It's a third world country. That's something that folks don't realize too when you hear like Buakaw, poor Pramuk.

1:03:47 Boakaw means a cow's white and Boa is lotus. That's his passport name. No one's messed up in Thailand, dude. Really? I don't know what they're doing, but they're doing it to lighten their skin color. that it actually has an anabolic effect on the body. You know, it's, I believe you. come through your pupil. Sun, the wind, you know know and the stars so like it's very revitalizing all those things yeah it's over at the stars like a good starry

1:07:00 We're going to stay in Milwaukee time. And the ones who tend to do best I've been going to Vegas since I was 18 for fights. They're like, Duke, you're not, like I'd be home They're like, yeah. and we're having the time of our life. You know, like I said, I'd just hang out. do that but you only have so many years you know what i mean you have a you have a lifespan to be

1:09:30 like guys who don't train Yeah. The person who wants it, it just doesn't start on fight night. important things about martial artists is learning There's no, what did you see? Sugar Ray Robinson, who I still watch and study. to you know duran and it's not funny that like it's not like leonard wasn't a hard worker but Bruce Lee. Oh, wow. Bruce Lee? Yeah.

1:13:32 i want my goal like with what i'm trying to do i want to be an apple type product that changes Yeah. But also the various aspects of the technique that allow you to avoid counters as opposed to doing it one way, you don't avoid the counter. We caught Franklin straight up, coming straight at him, and they get fucked because of it, really. my students is fighting Saturday. He's

1:15:39 Is that going to be on TV? Yes, I believe. NBC. And who is he fighting? No. That guy just ate him. He's got a cool style of fighting. He's got someone, uh, rocking his, his Twitter feed. How do you spell Pereira? He beat a lot of good dudes. Who has he fought so far in glory? Oh, Jacoby. No. Can you take him back to the gym? Look at that. I mean. He's on the.

1:19:22 That's insane. It's on Spike TV Free. And then, you know, Verhoeven's been going off about, he says he's the number one of, The first one, Rico won the tournament. Gita thinks he won. A lot of guys in glory are moonlighting. I'm a big fan of Raymond, but he did exactly what you're supposed to do. I mean, Carpet's a really super smart fighter, both technical.

1:21:59 see he stayed on the legs nicely dissected went after went after the high kick. That's all she wrote. Mama mia. I mean, I think Bazooka Joe is going to be tough to beat in the single fight format. The tournaments, they're a cool spectacle for the fans who want to see the blood and glory. Man, because Risty was coming off those two big wins over Giorgio Petrosian.

1:23:43 The fights are so evenly matched. So that's another tasty fight for fans. You've got Yodkunpun Sitmunchai from Thailand, the 19-year-old with 106 fights. He can punch. He actually has a win over Pat Berry in the World Combat League. won. So I didn't. I watched cuatros uh michaelvallo, and Remy. I'm having a ball doing this, It's martial arts. They just don't, people who judge fights, unfortunately, don't understand.

1:26:53 He was kicking hard. He broke his something i don't know i i i've always told my this isn't going to sound mad, but as I've gotten older, I've probably changed my opinion on it. Yeah, especially the neck kick. Sergio's hunting for it constantly. You know, it's an intimidation factor. Yeah. is yeah you talk to him yeah a little bit what's? Well, he's got a thick Dutch accent these days.

1:29:44 Gerald McClellan, almost died in a boxing match. That's scary. Yeah. sort of an attitude about about fighters okay yeah go go get punched yourself yeah you know performance when you start making character assessments and character judgments that's uh you're stepping way out alive He just wasn't feeling good. He's overrated. Well, why is it it's okay in our sport we can tap, which is humane and smart in MMA.

1:32:33 He was just getting out boxed. I think he's going to start helping teach striking here in L.A., dude. And Spong hit him with this left hook. it when your eardrums popped the fight is basically yeah there's not much you could do what this is you're fighting me to crush my dream to build yours it's so like it's old school I'll just spar three rounds with him.

1:35:01 I had fun, but you know, it's a quick reminder. I got my blue belt now. against gilbert melendez which is going to be a great fight can't wait for that fight two amazing fighters when you would train him would He's one of the best athletes in the NFL. guys. Watch this. This is a dude That is an insane vertical jump. What is that? Isn't that funny? I don't want to watch a bunch of sweaty dudes who don't care about me.

1:38:21 He works a striking-based MMA practice, and then we have MMA sparring. Wouldn't you think that that would be counterintuitive? a little bit harder a week, that's it. working drilling and fight-specific game plan. you know uh our our primary is in the evenings we do do our light work technique and a lot of the intensity each week up, down, if we're I mean, for folks who are not familiar with that kind of training, you really can't keep

1:41:04 Anthony took the Henderson fight on a month's notice. And, you know, the, my, my point being that constantly. He's a wild man. You see that snowmobile shit that he was doing Yeah. ring and fight for amusement for people. I love that moment, especially if you're the main event. after the press conference. So did the ring girls hang out with you? No. Was there champagne in the

1:44:13 soak it in. You're fighting. now oh i could but you see a guy like bernard hopkins give you a little hope always 49 years You miss it, but you're still getting some, a big amount of satisfaction from training. So that's what I, that's what I got to do to keep my drug in check. It was me. I was going to fight this dude. it and the thing fell apart Nah, he's cool, dude.

1:47:03 industry. I mean, Matt, Matt told me this thing. I think it's a good fit for him. I like Matt. jujitsu, judo and Jedi mind tricks, it's so family before i had my younger brothers my dad has five brothers his two youngest brothers are mind tricks. My really good friend from the Greek community Yeah, those guys are huge. We have a great relationship.

1:50:12 Huge factor. He's getting his knee redone. I don't know what it's all about. Yeah. Ramon Decker. The reason why I went to my first gym in Thailand, is probably one of the all i i look at it as terms of errors okay like in because i don't think meldrick taylor yeah systematically broke his body down broke and changed meldrick meldrick was never They go, one guy landed X amount of punches and the other guy landed zero.

1:53:18 He was fun to watch, the rooster punch he threw. Yeah. won the super middleweight championship, won the light heavyweight championship, this was way thicker than you ever saw him at a light heavyweight but he was only about 200 pounds And Tarver knocked him out. recently yeah picture with him i was so excited yeah i was with evander holyfield in uh there's

1:56:16 just made me think of something you know Tommy Hearns verse Leonard the first I think so, yeah. No, let's do one round. Yeah, and force the action. I mean, think about our culture. We're so fast food, everything. For the guys who are making a lot of money, You'd have a better chance for a victory. That would be interesting. They're just really. I thought Pride was fun to watch, but from a technical standpoint,

1:59:53 Well, I mean, we saw it. follow his twitter feed and everything like this is, he had gotten a car accident. Like Mayweather, the reason why Mayweather, who is who he is, I mean, he likes to train, you know, and guys, if you don't like your craft, then don't do it. Man, Pettis, his Lozon fight and the Cerrone fight was back in the gym Monday training.

2:01:50 from the ufc i mean i love that i i'd like to see glory maybe do that i think that would make the I mean, I definitely had to get better when I was the third guy at K1. He's awesome. That's the toughest part for me, the live opens, I think you guys have a really tight production cool benefits, people can come train with me as much as they want. And it's having fun. You know,

2:04:10 There's different guys visiting me. That's cool. You know, they're just very welcoming. Yeah. Anthony Pettis, the showtime kick. Yes. And I said, Joe, you've got the 10,000 rule down. want to do a flying arm bar in jujitsu. You got to build up. We saw the home run. this want it now thing that doesn't apply to MMA. The reason why people don't know how to do it correctly

2:08:01 Well, look what you said about Anderson Silva. And Junior Dos Santos do it to Mark Hunt. So the athletes themselves, especially, they want to one-up each other. Because she likes to grab the headlock and throw girls down to the ground and essentially giving up her back. Yeah. carmouche and the ronda rousey that you're going to get today you're getting a way better ronda

2:10:18 Yeah, Alex Davis has got a tough task, but she's tough. He's submitted more guys by triangle than anybody I could think of. Greatest. They roll, roll, roll, rolled. I saw Jacare Jacare was very clever Jacare. Really impressive. As BJ would say, Wang, take him down. who decided to stand with people. and Daniel can knock me out. You can sleep. So if you're not, that's why I teach all my guys to make sure they get good at wrestling.

2:14:25 You hit someone on the forehead. That one's really overdeveloped. It's just. Yeah. Yeah, it's just the MMA gloves. Broke both his hands. Mental toughness. You know, I mean, he's one of those great I mean, everyone's the same squirrel going after the same nut. Yeah. Like, I don't know. They're just like feral cats. You know, people in Iowa would vacation in Boston in January

2:18:01 I mean, not just in Militich camp I come down – we used to bring a lot of our guys to cross-train together. He's got to go do something. And was a bad motherfucker. Oh, yeah. They were the innovators. i mean i've seen guys get knocked out they drag them off the mat hey pat what's going on today He could do the weirdest submissions. Like in what way?

2:21:39 I forgot what he caught him with Oh, my God. Just grab my freeze. He only fought once or twice, but definitely, I mean, Pat had the history there. yeah i don't think it's something he wants to do full-time it's not for everybody you know what i And so he doesn't train fighters anymore? He helps out a little bit. Yeah. I mean, that's what it's all about for me.

2:24:21 And so that's what I'm happiest about. For sure. Hard workers. So if you're not training, you're hanging out, guys fight on TV. are Bain and his grandmother He doesn't complain. And just, I mean, even my guy Rick Glenn, his sister's dying of cancer. Because the spite game is so hard, man. and being around guys that are constantly writing and pushing and going for it it makes you want to

2:28:14 I want to laugh if we're working hard. Wild, wild, wild division. I fucking love it. I'm a huge, huge huge fan what is it like doing the the commentary you enjoying I could just keep, you want to look at more fights? on the planet are? You either fight, not the beef food. The best protector of the sheep is the wolf. I still miss that. I'd say that fighting, your first fight, if you've never done it before,

2:31:45 Because that's what I think. Anthony. L-A-M-B-R-E-C-H-T You know whether it's you go You'll see it here in a second. Bang. How bad was his shoulder fucked up? So watch this. So that's when you find yourself. That's why he's heavy. Just crazy. You know, like everyone has doubts in your mind. Mike Tyson used to talk about that. You know, it's just, I love that.

2:36:17 at them are you ready and looks the other one are you ready like holy shit here we go well i'll give Oh shit. Now we got to stare each other down. added element oh yeah people who can handle the the big big light media i mean that that that's It's a trip. Like I've seen the toughest, most athletic people or maybe my striking coach doesn't understand striking for mma yeah maybe i need to move to

2:39:39 You know what it's like. You, who's had brothers, John Jones, who had Matt Hughes, he had a fucking twin. Yeah, he probably could have been. He's huge. I mean, so again, other organizations too, I believe. I believe so, but yeah. Another gorilla. Yeah. It's huge. fighters I put in through my spartan And I'm not, I don't do it to be mean. Sorry I want you to win.

2:41:44 I'll describe my sister died when I was 15, But I was 16. I decided I'd been doing I feel better now about it but I was 16 I I mean, that kid was, you know, dude, my brother was amazing, especially in his game, PK style You guys nearly choose the darkness. But that's what made me. humiliating thing you can do in life? They're never the same again. So decent amount. So I'm just,'m just but hey man it's k1 if

2:45:17 See a counter. Now, when you do that. Yeah. toughest fight of my career it was i because not, but man, I just got knocked the F out. it's like Maverick and Top Gun. When we lose, it's catastrophic. performance by the way ben great i told him personally at the fight great hobby law fight I can't wait to see that rematch. But, you know, it, you could see Ben just

2:48:19 Yeah. And when Vitor was cranking on that arm and it was hyperextended, Jon made a decision. So he's like, just coach, you know. Yeah. He's cool. Your job is to entertain the fans, and the kid came out to fight every time. You know, it's fun. I think he's a very – just runs at him, makes a street fight, throws him on the ground, choke him out and let's go home.

2:50:59 You put weapons into your arsenal, but sometimes It's actually hurting me. DukeRufus.com. Yep. If you're in the LA area, come on out, meet. There's going to be there. I can't wait. Yeah, Joe's going to be in the house. If you're in the L.A. area, come on out, meet. He's my buddy. Oh, no, man. Thanks also to Onnit.com. Big kiss. Mwah.