Joe Rogan Experience #519 — Gad Saad Transcript

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0:00 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. Gad, how do I say your last name? Oh, how would you say it? There you go. But I define consumption very broadly. lyrics that are, that, you know, trigger an emotional pull in us? Why are movies appealing? So, for example, if you look at hip-hop videos, Right. It's never going to be a guy saying, hey, Linda, you don't work hard enough, so you're not ambitious enough. I'm not going

3:20 So that's certainly not what I do. How dare you? Mayer or Mayer? Or the contents of those songs. hearing about you know aristotle like aristotle go fuck yourself bro that shit was so long ago French eat this type of food, the Malaysians do this type of dance. But what they miss is that But underneath these cultural differences is a biological heritage that makes you and I very similar to one another.

6:58 Rubenesque. I must say, this is the first time that you're fat shaming. to three hours. we'll come back to that. Rough. Yeah. that kind of break the shackles of political correctness. You could be queer. You could be queer. You could be this. As you know, Facebook has as male or female. you should have Why is it getting so squirrely? What's going on? Are we too soft? Do we have to hunt for our own

10:25 viruses of the mind can also take over your... And so common sense and just reason They will be violent and angry and fucking incredibly insulting to people who do not everybody talks about diversity, that's diversity that we don't want. Yeah. What is that? I mean, how do they not see that? Stop police. Yeah. And I face it in, I mean, eventually, I guess we'll come back to my work.

12:56 their ideological beliefs. It's fascinating to me the parallels between religious nutters and to be a block, a center for the University of Oklahoma, and hence he could bunch Prince 500 and women. I mean, the biological differences are scientific. Well, there are some feminists, is just laughable. then that makes it easier for the status quo sexist patriarchy

16:07 Men have 10 times more testosterone than women. Is that a social construction? And then she didn't tell anybody. There's a difference in the shape of the hips, the mechanics of the shoulder. surgeons who want to or reassignment doctors and they want to pretend that they're exact equals physiologically. and raise them as a girl, and they'd be absolutely no problem.

18:29 one of the more fascinating aspects of it, how we're treated by each other and the law and what a person can get away with you know what Do whatever she wants. You've been taught by the patriarchy. Men, in one ejaculation, have 250 spermatozoa. penchant for sexual variety. Now, that's been documented in 17 trillion different ways, and yet you still

22:02 Absolutely. hoping for one thing or another. The data speaks for itself. But again, the ideologues will say no, I love the God hates fags people, being allowed to marry other men. It's unbelievably weird, but compelling to me. And in an equal way, How dare you? Right. far as there are there are even schools in southern californ that won't, and they do this legally because they are a religiously founded institution.

26:09 Please then say the name. But it's within that general area. Oh, good Lord. And that's some colleges or some universities. progressives that you know would give you a million different ways to address someone based on whatever gender they identify with or whatever the fuck else weird ultra-super-sensitive thing. They suffer from a phobia. Islamophobic. Said it. I'm Islamophobic. I'm Jewaphobic. I'm Catholicaphobic.

29:22 And up until then, I was, obviously I don't remember meanness, evilness, being nasty to children, fear-mongering, Wow. grade to all of a sudden, and I didn't go to kindergarten. I just went to first grade. It was my first year in school to being around these monsters and this monster school that was just Let it come. Anybody questions it is a fool.

32:17 self-help gurus, and so on. He gives me Lipitor. But there are all sorts of ways by which I can secure my eternity. that there's no one alive that has any more answers about what lies beyond the great beyond, but have you ever done psychedelic drugs? You don't like that one? Yeah, it's possible. And this is our neighborhood. They have a general sense of 14 plus billion light years.

36:29 would argue that on some small speck of sand in some bronze age point, And then as he got older, just decided to abandon it all. I do it for shellfish. about that. Well, then it must be some malediction. And so you're exactly right that there are very, you're going to get really sick. You reject biology, which is measurable, and social science is sort of…

39:33 and demonstrating how each culture is unique and different, The decision that you make if your blood sugar is low and you're hungry is very different than the decision you make if you're satiated, right? Yes, please. but it's rather perverse. And now, of course, science is an autocorrective process. The evidence is coming in my way, There's another one on the beetles.

42:39 he must have a particular penchant for beetles It is on two levels. And so if I play within the paradigm, if I do the research that is expected of me that Is that better? Yeah. And so if I look at the level of hostility that I faced 10 years ago versus today, it's night and day. by editors. So that's, are you familiar with that term? Yes, but explain it for people. So that means basically when you send your paper to a scientific journal, usually the editor will look at your

45:31 And usually the argument that I would receive, which is breathtakingly inane in its stupidity, is, well, evolutionary theory is just a bunch of just so storytelling right you just come of science, it seems as though you're just waving your hand and telling stories, post hoc stories. Now, the reality is that that's exactly the because I was a high testosterone guy, then that only compelled me to come back and say,

47:59 But for years, I was really sort of at the periphery. Love it. Life is a trigger warning. understanding of first of all how fortunate we are to be living this in this time and age to Because they're posers, right? senator who's Republican. great courage. But to speak against genital mutilation in the Islamic world or other parts of the world Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a woman who was born into Islam, who escaped an arranged marriage, moved to Netherlands, became a Dutch parliamentarian, and then was part of a documentary that was offensive to some Muslims.

52:40 to speak at the convocation. I think there's one very important thing that you brought up, and that's the social aspect, the social gratification, the scariness of, you know, criticizing the Muslim world. And then this concept of Islamophobia that's sort of like gotten into people's minds. we spoke one language so I could understand people in China.

55:03 Well, I think it's, I don't know if you know, do you know the term identity politics? You're a fucking, yeah, you can't be beat, man. and sit on a religious accommodation committee. to anybody's religious beliefs. If Jews come to my class and say, we want to do Yom Kippur, Some people deserve more accommodations than others. Not debate them or look at

57:48 And as you said, who is spearheading that? The professors. Is there any discussion to try to illuminate this sort of real issue and have the courage you look at it that way but it's unfortunate that a woman has to hear that and go oh well great it's I was one of them. any of these slur words, because then you could be taken to a hate speech code tribunal, right?

1:00:44 Everything is, you know, just. Try to give a lecture or invite somebody either that has a pro-Israel position or an anti-Islam position and see what happens. At Concordia University in Montreal, the prime minister of a democratically elected government, with the insult as they call them, MRAs. – I mean, it was so incorrect that it was almost like they had never read what he had

1:03:22 I don't agree with them. She said, I can prove there's no global warming with a simple tool, a thermometer. not just the people that were speaking. Very dangerous. bad, but I certainly was trying to make the point that on some issues, that's not a good idea. For But still, the blowback was astonishing because how dare I point to this as though it were a bad thing?

1:06:57 So obviously when it's going to come on that issue, I'm going to be a lot more with the Democrats than all the... But, for example, my position, you may disagree. that we give to otherwise horrifying monsters, that itself is barbaric. So on that dimension, consideration. and they said, if we lose the House, I don't believe it's infallible. can handle that woman,

1:09:43 There's going to be human flaws in the entire system. up in LA County jail. I said, Oh, why is that? I said, give me an example of why would somebody He was an academic also. he would overhear these doctors about talking this guy into surgery. But when you look at the recidivism rates for child rapists, it's just through the roof. And I was arguing that for these kinds of guys, no, it's not. Well, you should have seen my progressive,

1:13:40 More cruel, exactly. surrounded by murderers, rapists, thieves, thugs, And I think the bottom line, if I'm paraphrasing them, But the people that I know that have healthy relationships with their boyfriends and girlfriends or wives and husbands, healthy relationships with their children, healthy relationships with their friends. Those are the happiest people I know.

1:15:25 why would we jump into a river to save a stranger and and it it boils down to the fact that it's The husband's body floated face first past him. It was like he saw this woman. that was done that actually shows this to be the case. How do they know this? One version. is one of his studies where I was And then I remember I'd gone on vacation, came back from vacation, found out that it had completely gone viral.

1:18:54 And so even though I had nothing to do with the study So do women want a guy with a bigger penis? who had written the hate mail, and I said, But the idea that a woman with big breasts sitting there in a passenger seat of a car could somehow or another be pornographic is ridiculous. What does that have to do with psychology? Right. Have you had many other academics on the show?

1:21:21 Yeah, luckily. But the problem is, you know, And ideologies that I support or do not support. He's wearing a goddamn outfit. to talk about oh he's he's buddies with richard gear he must be holy you get the fuck out of here Come on, wait a minute. I think she must have played once at some point. And so I had written an article where I was saying that it's really astounding the type of narcissism that these folks,

1:25:20 And I think you probably are on to something there. He does so much good for this organization. I mean, he's pretty obvious if you listen to him talk for any long period of time. There's something wrong did drugs with Lance Armstrong. think there's something sneaky about, An old Jewish philosopher from the 12th century. pretty oftentimes pretty, you know, cheapish cars, because that's not going to be a very honest

1:29:05 but I don't want them to see the tip and then thank me back. Yes. that's bullshit, man. that you can't exist in the silence The costly signaling in biology, It's amazing that aspect of especially the rap community. Well, I was happy to talk to you already, but now more so. So what we do know is that different cultures will use different forms of peacocking.

1:32:27 Yeah. There was a company called, I don't remember the name of the company, but the project was called American Brandstand, a play on American Bandstand. It's almost exclusively male rappers who do this behavior. I love cars. They had it for two days, and the transmission exploded. I love laptops. Is a girl, would a girl bang? You got a $500,000 car.

1:35:33 versus a low-status car. So I joke that you should be driving a Lamborghini while having a dog next to you and a baby while wearing a fireman's suit. He's a Brad Pitt in this car. He's a loser in this other car. But the same manipulation on women, going to go on a date with pulls up in a Lamborghini. You're like, Oh, what the fuck? I would think wouldn't change,

1:37:57 would be intimidating. This wasn't imagined you're driving a Porsche. we collected salivary assays And so that's causing a rise in testosterone. And so here we were applying this exact idea to the consumer setting. just like a V8, a powerful V8, just the sound of... Well, statistically significant. Right. Right? Because your testosterone would increase. For athletes, just drive around in a fast car and it would be good for your recovery.

1:41:29 Sorry about your penis, you know? with one of my former doctoral students. Women increase his height. be some short, wimpy guy. like someone who becomes like a who's lived in California for 30 years I would always ask him, But once I get them and once we go down on the ground, they're done. No, but this was before we were married. I'd pick the girl

1:45:05 Okay. It's not going to happen. Well, what got him Candy? He's big, but he does not have cars. for the peacocking might change. the big Hummer or whatever. I get fucking furious because I know those fucks. Exactly. Again, it's the posing, right? Do you ever feel any gumption at doing it or no? And I think that they eat each other. No kidding. Wow. I don't have this sort of somber feeling.

1:50:44 strange. And here's the contradiction. Here's where it's horrible. But it's very strange. And he had this one where he went to this African hunting camp All they want to do is, like, spend money are not going to get out of that lake and fly to Nebraska, right? That's where they live. They're news uh this this past week she was 19 years old she went to africa and took all these photos

1:52:53 But you had, you said it's disgusting. He's going to eat a lion, though. Wow. Well, he's got planio testosterone before and after. I mean, he makes his living doing that. But now they're in very high numbers. You know, it's mule deer. But that's a wild animal. well, Hey, there's nothing, you know, they, the, the money goes to conservation and I guess it

1:56:17 I think that natural foods are more easily digestible. But I just think that I'm just real, I noticed because I work out so much and because I do athletics where you sort of measure your progress, Right. And the next year, I was 180. Exactly. And now I've lost about 25, 30 pounds. It's part of this whole quantify yourself. Yeah. I can't seem to break the next sort of hump.

1:59:22 um, one of the things that burns calories the most is muscle. I'm a pig. Like, to the point where waitresses think I'm joking. Most of the stuff I do is full body exercises, kettlebells, things along those lines. I just hired a postdoc whose claim to fame so far, they would go into comedy clubs What they're effectively saying as a proxy measure is,

2:02:06 He knows a lot about life. Fair enough, yeah. with his goofy, you know, Ding! Yeah. Yeah, it makes sense. you know and foster morale and yeah there's a lot involved in that here's an interesting one uh There's a fantastic evolutionary theory that looks at the evolutionary roots of self-deception. manipulative intent. So I want to lie to you. So there's a show on Seinfeld.

2:05:51 remember, Jerry, it's not a lie if you believe it. And I've also experienced it myself. Like people that have sitcoms Granted, substance abuse was in there as well, There's a script. Can we get anything, Brett? laugh right so i'm gonna develop a good sense of humor because my nose isn't getting any smaller They only know their work. They only know this thing that they've pretended to be in a movie where they were a superhero.

2:09:08 There's music playing. is so different from the data that a guy who is working at a camera shop gets. A guy that's a normal person in a normal life, the data you know what Dunbar number is, right? We're in earbuds. Remember those subliminal things? but I think apparently the company that commissioned that study maybe did some massaging with the data.

2:11:53 But when they were asked post the subliminal thing, are you hungry? oh, I like that. Do you remember those things they used to sell? Yeah. the clear state or something yeah yes i had a neighbor who was poor bastard there was a piece And I go, what does that mean? no longer get in there but it costs fifty thousand dollars that's it that that's that's the ringer

2:14:17 why is it that it is particularly accepted within the Hollywood crowd? That's amazing. know when the crash is coming you know i'm pretty sure that if i followed you around i'm just crash something's gonna go wrong but they're um their centers that they have in la one of the he openly spoke about creating talking about it last week. my friend Eliza Schlesinger

2:16:34 giant alien guy Forrest Whitaker is in it, too. like Beck, the singer Beck. work. What you do is based entirely on your education, your qualifications, and the data to get other people to accept them and choose them. It's like what they have is this sort of conglomeration of opinions that they've sort of subscribed to because they believe that this is going to ingratiate them with the overlords of Hollywood.

2:18:39 So they all they all get up they become a part of this sort of really yes there's al pacino and robert de niro who who really do this because you know they're just they're Had some fucking wacky childhood right me personally. I had a very bad childhood Or being great at athletics. Oh, really? the conversations that I had with this lady were so brutal.

2:21:20 you people are fucking gross. If you don't know how to fight, you're going to get your ass kicked. look at successful behavior and we want to emulate it. Well, if you find the guy who's the head of there's an inescapable quality to being on film that is unavoidable in some very strange way. You know, it's real fucking simple. We don't know what to do with it.

2:24:04 Because the problem is I mean, a lot of comedians are Like, when you're around her, you would never believe in a million years that she's famous. My daughter would scream, laughing, and she kept doing it again. Yeah, yeah. Right. Why don't you come in the winter, man? Woo! I started going up there in, I think, 92. Whoa, tailgate them. As you probably know that you're not supposed to say Islamic extremists or Islam or this or that.

2:27:00 has had an incredible amount of blowback And he starts talking about it. it says they should be stoned to death, They're radical Islam and the key doesn't even realize that he's a he is a true liberal. A woman approached me who used to be a friend. Now she no longer is a friend. You'll know by Some version of that, right? So I mean, it was, even by that standard, it was diabolical. So I

2:30:59 and that's what it is. It's just this crazy sickness that people who consider themselves intelligent, intellectual, progressive, open-minded, That's true. like they look like Come it. the ones that are the ones who are teaching children in school, where this politically correct, give you a calamity and in six causal links, you have to link it back to why the US is evil. So,

2:33:51 Queers for Palestine? Yes. Right? I wonder if it's connected in some way to the suppression of the people that live in these places And that's something that people are aware of. that I demonstrate how tolerant and progressive I am The internet is supposedly where the ideas up my laptop and i can write on my Psychology Today blog to 3 million people,

2:37:25 lest they will be found out. In one sense, you have tenure. but also its potential for misuse, right? There's a fucking MOOC over here. You're a MOOC. MIT does that, right? This is a social aspect of it that's so interesting. That's interesting. And so yes, McGill University is more famous than some other Canadian university, but on average, during one of the elections for taking support from

2:41:00 And I forget who they were supporting, obviously it's racist, interracial? If he's dating a blonde To think that if only I converted to Seventh-day Adventist, I could be living in Southern California, man. that's true well july is pretty awesome though and everybody's very festive yeah one of the I think it also develops character, too. and turn the AC on.

2:42:57 when I was at UC Irvine, we drive in minus 30 degrees in snow storms. They have warning advisories when it rains for 10 The con is obviously that everybody knows about it. One thing is good, I know how to drive in snow. Yeah, I kind of of you know what i fought once in the bay state games which was this uh big uh olympic festivals when I mean, it comes out every now and then if I have a couple drinks with me.

2:45:06 thank you. I can't believe all the... Three hours? people buy? Where can they buy it? What you better say something else Okay, well listen, to talk to you too yep do you have any Just read your books. All right, folks. That's Blue Apron. you'll get two free meals. Blueapron.com forward