Joe Rogan Experience #522 — CJ Werleman Transcript

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0:00 My guest today, C.J. Werleman, will definitely ruffle some feathers, ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for joining me, man. Actually, and no joke, the Westboro Baptist Church, And Fred Phelps actually issued a public fatwa to have me killed. I'm not sure. which was written on a segment of Islam, and it wasn't actually taking scripture from the Quran itself.

3:10 wrote a great book called The Death of Liberalism in America. The liberal class no longer exists in one, man. Like, if you're going to be scared of any religion, in my opinion, it might have a good, They were foreign fighters fighting for a foreign cause. So that's why I think the most dangerous threat to American democracy and our secular values is not Islamicism. It really

5:41 I'm not sure how that is working or if it's working They hate the fact that we have our fucking military bases in the middle of the Holy Land. What it is, you've got the power structure, Yeah. I would assume that if you're living in a country and you have a giant, huge empire that White House. Imagine if there was an airport. Well, I'll tell you what, CJ, with your fancy

9:06 back at the the root cause of it all and the root cause was we drew up fictitious we the west not suitable alternative leaves this massive power vacuum and that's why we have the situation where and people blowing themselves up and the Sunnis versus the Shias? But America will never allow that because you'll end up with the Kurds being a proxy state to Turkey.

11:11 Did you see the recent interview with Dick Cheney He's a demon. He had no pulse. Five times. blows up. They get these giant It's unbelievable. States, economics trumps politics. Now, everything has been sold to the highest bidder in this 100% beholden to these corporations, we now live in a country where wars are for profit. this isn't something that someone's decided to like, hey, well, we can use this for people and

15:00 Like there's a whole business behind that. It's far greater than many, many other things that would be very important. of money that's flowing back and forth. He has no money. There's too much influence of the corporations over the political Well, it was probably good enough for Arnold Schwarzenegger before he You've written some great books. It's like saying the C word.

18:00 And I think of all of Western Europe. all the loopholes have actually been written in Washington Like high-speed rail. I mean, look, America today looks like a third world country. I've spent 10 Is that true? You just see no poverty. Must be elected by 50% of the labor force in that company. which is basically a laboratory for Tea Party, hardcore conservative thinking.

21:08 Well, there is definitely a real problem in America with when you were talking about the Especially when you consider like in New York they they have to pay tolls everywhere like every time you go somewhere you start talking about socialism, that the rich pay their share, or the ideas of socialism, and these are just ideas, just bringing them up, but a knee-jerk

22:58 That's that individual ruggedism, which Americans believe in. health care? One of the biggest predicators of poverty is your access to healthcare. If you And that's where we are today. So be damned with them. Because that's one that the libertarians seem to cling to They're educated as fuck. system to hear such a degree. I mean, if you get a degree in Australia,

26:30 So we're still, you know, with the capitalization of everything, we're forming a system where we But I had a conversation with a friend of mine, and he was wrong about something. Like, what are you talking about, man? schools get to really apply from it. nepotistic and they they help each other in business and they form these little teams together.

29:04 So, you know, you're feeding off each other yeah and then meanwhile they get in front and more people can contribute, instead he kind of focused on the negative aspect of it. basically. He was channeling Elizabeth And the bridges and so forth. duh. Yeah. roads, duh. We need the roads. We need all these things. We all work together. is so inherently flawed that throwing more money at it

32:18 I don't think more regulations, more people, more things, more forms you have to fill out, more people that are in some strange office somewhere comprehensive philosophy designed to reconstruct this whole situation from the bottom up from the the unemployment rating is falling, but not with jobs that pay well. We no longer make stuff. demand. What do you say to the argument that corporations shouldn't have to pay profits

34:59 you know, R&D technology, you name it. that a corporation is like an individual, I mean, we haven't had a liberal judge appointed to the bench since LBJ. Who is the guy that's in the Supreme Court that said that pedophilia that no having sex with a man is just You don't think that people are gay? straight up that not one of my gay friends has said, man, I just pounded some ass, and

37:21 I mean, the five conservative judges on the Supreme Court are all Catholics. Definitely too young when JFK, I mean, you and I are probably too young for, definitely too young when JFK was elected, but for when JFK's campaign in 1960, the biggest issue against him was the fact he was a Catholic because Americans were worried that he would have to answer to somebody outside of the United States.

38:17 Why didn't one person in the media say, Why didn't anyone ask you that? was so radical that they moved to Mexico in the 1800s in order to keep having sex with multiple women. Get on a horse. You know, but then all of a sudden, at some point in time, like America It's off the table. He doesn't drive the popemobile anymore. And, I mean, he's very progressive.

41:21 But yeah, I mean, there's certainly good points to be spoken about when it comes to pope francis certainly better than the uh the the former nazi who uh moved pedophiles And Pope Benedict, they've kind of cooled down It's the last bastion of fascism in Europe. There was a big controversy. have that crazy golden throne yeah he looked like something right out of the fucking lord of the

43:41 all the years and years of evil that the Catholic Church has committed. Well, I mean, all of it is that way. Yeah, same as circumcision. Christ. They're trying to sell it. the word of God. And you mean, you know, America's the most Western Christian nation on the world, and About gay folk and their desire to have sex with animals as well. Like, you're not supposed to wear

46:50 You can't go to the oyster bar. There was a Barna Group study which talked about biblical illiteracy in America. And I'm like, dude, you've got to read the whole book. Have you ever read or heard of the sacred mushroom in the cross? horseshit. And it was really all about religious ceremonies that were based on the consumption of psychedelic Yeah. Now a guy named Jan Ervin has republished it through his family.

50:20 The people that read his work, a lot of his strange conclusions were undeniably bizarre in the context of religion. Santa Claus is coming. The Amanita muscaria mushroom is fucking Santa Claus. There was elves and these mushrooms. What the fuck is that? If you pull that up, Jamie, the book, The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, the John Marco Allegro book, it's all about this psychedelic mushroom, the Amanita muscaria,

53:13 You eat them. There's very many translations for the word apple, but one of them is red, the color red. these ego-dissolving experiences, which are just forbidden. It's so hard too. I mean, a guy like Allegro, a guy studying this book for 14 years, that's the Clearly. And when you – it's interesting. Not only that, that's a long fucking time ago. to formulate our own new guidelines for life that we're all basing this on don't eat clams and don't

57:42 And that goes for the people that are religious Now, you know, the liberal camp and the conservative camp get their news from their own camps. It's a hike. That's hilarious. So this idea that we're going to keep all the immigrants out of a country that was found like you have to get in a plane to get to Australia. It's terrifying that this is all right next to us,

1:00:49 which was a gift from Oh, God. They're not immigrants. These are refugees fleeing intolerable violent circumstances inflicted upon by policies, and then the only profitable business is drug running. And then with America's appetite for this country well give me them any day over any day over Some white confederate in the deep south The confederate flag was representative

1:03:21 you find yourself in the Deep South and you're a black person. well we lived in uh bali indonesia for when you drive around Bali you see all these Hindu temples They're the worst runners-up in the history of sports. And you know and that drives the you know the thrust and power of who they are as far as a reactionary party Yeah. Yeah. You were living with your mom.

1:06:46 but I still think this is the best time ever and exchange information and ideas and communicate back and forth and influence each other in think it's we're seeing the death throes of of that white minority politics in You can't say colored people Yeah, you'd know brown babies so as we become um browner, this white minority politic, If you read their manifesto, that's what the Tea Party manifesto-

1:09:28 Yeah, really. Well, the manifesto was uh basically that uh you know uh Let's face it, the Republican Party is not going to win a presidential election for the next 20 years. In every demographic in America, the Democrats are gaining market share. In every Well, look, I'm critical of Obama because he's governed like a Clinton. liberal policies because he was liberal or had a conscience or was moral. He was the last US

1:12:08 afraid. And the problem is they're not afraid of the liberal class anymore. The liberal class is I mean this is – we live in an area where conservative politics trumps. I mean, that was what they did in the media to marginalize that guy, effectively to do so. I mean, in most Western democracies, you have a two-party system, Australia, the UK, and so forth.

1:14:32 So 0.01% of the population is donating 99% of the campaign finance to these two political parties. That's madness. Well, two, but only one has a chance, Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders. will be income inequality. which have wreaked havoc on the American population They already tried a black guy. well, Sanders is too much has never mentioned the S-word and is more of a populist than a socialist.

1:17:40 the facts. On their World Happiness Index, What is the World Happiness Index? I don't get it. Yeah, Canoga Park. Like, America's the least happy, the least this. shit that comes out of here, good or bad. I'm not saying that all of it's great, but My friends in high school would always criticize me for being a wannabe American. Groomed by Al Qaeda You probably don't even know you're a commie.

1:21:44 So many good things come out of this place as well. and there's, you know, what was that? has been bought out by the military industrial complex. Most of the R&D and technological these rich white neighborhoods, and certainly where i'm from god damn it i said newport beach no you didn't you fucked up i did can we edit this And Elon Musk has spoken at great length of the opposition he's faced in bringing the electric car to market. So, yeah, we're producing great things,

1:24:01 What is that guy all about? He doesn't have to worry about Christie anymore It's the bridge thing, but it's the whole culture of intimidation, that whole New Jersey sopranoano like atmosphere which turns off women and independent That is a personal choice, even if you're poor. Yeah. Those are absolutes. comes to this these new ideas that i think where people are becoming more progressive and more

1:26:57 No, it didn't really happen. And that feeling of social failure, that ostracized feeling, the only benefit of that, it's not good to be cruel. She might be a big girl. She's the enormous one that everybody loves. No. Fucking with one of those hats on. No. Subsidizing by the American government. a thing about um uh it was a lawsuit about mexico um trying to force out um uh corn syrup because

1:29:44 No coincidence whatsoever. Yeah, that'll shy you away from fast food. you're making too much. Well, this is what the problem is. So you and I are funding the workforce for a ridiculously fucking wealthy bunch of individuals that can afford to pay their employees more. They did not build that. She gets a good sugar rush and they're working and with all that wealth,

1:32:48 Yep. We got six people. Don't put me on a list. Right, but how does that work then? So you're working from a fixed number. more than the bottom roughly 50% of the nation. Right. But the combined wealth of the Walmart heirs. What does it creep it up to? So stock market shit. It was before the crash. I mean, first of all, the only way to fix the Koch brothers' situation is there's no

1:35:33 But there should be a trading tax on each one of these trades, than the bottom 42%. God damn. I didn't just make numbers up. I didn't think you did. I didn't even where people want to sort of manipulate statistics There is no economic recovery. Every time a Walmart store opens, every time Walmart employs a new employee, And that has happened with countless number of companies.

1:39:10 Is displaced. Okay. just go. $1,300. that people in these communities can only afford to shop at Walmart. because it's a nice nostalgic picture that draws, that's painted in people's mind, these corporate subsidies the small businesses of neither the Democrats nor the Republicans. This is not something that anybody's bringing up. in, but they don't have a desire for journalism.

1:42:46 For having sex with a woman, supposedly? not even a rape charge yeah i mean it was right so yeah it's so the circumstances which i've read generation it's you know it's hey hey look at me you know um so we've come such a hey look at me Partisanship. you know, in Salon. Yeah. Yeah, all those. Yeah, pretty much. saying that God doesn't hate you, I'm not copying much forgiveness at all.

1:46:09 A lot of gay friends. Yeah, exactly. Oh, my God. Abby Huntsman. She's a Mormon? It's all the same to me, man. They're very friendly, very, you know, very warm and compassionate. Yeah. yeah very friendly audience to the left yeah i mean there's certain but but we'll see you do No. I don't think he will. What scares me? What scares the establishment wing, the Republican Republican Party is he's an isolationist

1:50:25 That would be crazy. Yeah, almost win every state. What do you think would hold people back from voting for Rand Paul? but I also think private property owners and restaurant owners That's not where America is. It also means they can allow gay marriage. I'm for that. of profiting off of sending young men to death for things that they don't understand,

1:53:19 Yeah. America has ever seen. We implemented social reforms, economic reforms, political reforms. His generation during that time, just the husband, just your dad worked. which redistribute the wealth from the top back to the middle. So, but if you contribute more money, where does that money go? we have to build higher-speed railways. today. In every social democratic country like Australia and Scandinavia and Western Europe,

1:56:43 That comes through the tax code. be-all to end-all, but there has to be a balance. And we have that in other countries, where there's failure of Solyndra, but they also forget that government funding has made Tesla an with every vendor and contractor and the details of that available And the alternative is Reagan's Holy Trinity, There's a reason why regulations are in place.

1:59:52 Right. leading up to the days of the crash in 08. What do you think to people that thought that they biggest economic catastrophe America's seen since the Great Depression. And he was listening to all fail, I don't know enough to be able to give a quantified opinion on what today would look like. I think where we are today, this is what America is going to look like.

2:02:26 which, you know, the rich will have, you know, there'll be no middle class. Except Chicago. It's amazing. Yeah. Well, I mean, crime. have you read Freakonomics? That's so crazy. and where there's no well-paying jobs, where you have stagnant wages, Well, some people ask me if I'm, you know, they obviously know I'm liberal. what is going on? Is it okay six weeks in?

2:05:39 So a nine-month-old baby that hasn't been born yet, Oh, sure. so take umbrage with men being able to decide what they can and can't do with their body. was a way that you could immediately you know there was really i have a joke about this that Somewhere along the line, you're going to have to get rid of sex. I'm not saying that sex is bad. also the reality that if you had to extrapolate from here forth from where we are to what we used

2:09:10 and we thought this was going to change the world and change the universe, Actually, the number I think was 65%. I think I might have I think it's pretty high. Yeah. We've looked at it before. I think there's varying numbers. I heard that actually the number was, I think it was 65%. Okay. God damn it. okay, in 2010, 13% of web searches were for erotic content.

2:10:24 Forbes is hiding information. Goddamn elitists web porn just how much is there 37 i was right How much of that is just bullshit on Twitter and Pinterest? makes sense because everything is built upon yeah Yeah. You know, you needed the infrastructure of, you know, What is it going to be two years from now? And I know when things really do get to the shit, I just get them planning to go back to Australia.

2:12:58 Because there is no countervailing power to capital in this country at the moment. He only blew shit up when he got caught getting blowjobs. In more ways than one. I love her. Yeah. So, what are the there's not pure liberal societies at all. migration from Wall Street to Washington. to our health care problems. and comparing it to ours. Well, I mean, you've got to give it a go, don't you?

2:16:30 Again, Kansas, if the need – George Bush came into power. But if you did that, liberalism gets into power, and then this sort of anti-war sentiment gets There was clear enemies. So, Syria, you're not going to stop unless, you know, these borders were, you know, redrawn. So if isolationism, you could argue, well, how's isolationism I mean, that's the logic behind it, right?

2:19:09 which have come up in the last few years, working. It's, you know, stand on the sidelines, use proxies, don't put boots on the ground, I mean, there was an article in Politico recently. Middle East and how fucked up things are now. There was a civil war raging there still. Now, we put Maliki in power or we endorse Maliki in power. They're stimulating.

2:22:43 But that's what America has done. Get along and govern as a single country. here you just go you draw a big circle and say, that's Shia-stan, and you draw another big circle and you say, that's Sunni-stan. I mean, bottom line, that region is fucked. And the answer is almost always there's no answer. I mean, oil goes straight through the roof. the United States, a press conference, Obama got on television, military action against

2:25:47 I mean, do you remember that speech? Yeah. Yeah. Lisa Saad, as bad as he is, is a secularist. knocking on doors in the Sunni neighborhoods, dragging people down the street and executing them right now. You know what we need, for real? The problem It's like, oh, I was being a dick. The shit is live. Just fill the skies with enlightenment. I think it was in 67 out in the canyon of Laguna Beach.

2:28:53 The word hash is such a strange word too like it's, you know, it's not crystal meth or anything crazy. It's just hash. He said, God bless America. So you're a real international traveler. well, within a crowded restaurant, That ideologies can allow people or give people the motivation to do some crazy shit, including things of their own selves. And not just ideologies that are accepted, established ideologies like Islam or Christianity,

2:31:59 Well, I think our higher sense of consciousness, as you said before, our ego can't let go of the fact that i just got back i've been there once before the time i went before was way better because i this And also, that word life-changing gets used a lot for experiences that people have. You know, and just if you want to look for a greater power, you want to look for a greater thing than us, just the vastness of the infinity that you're looking at is enough.

2:34:38 We're in it. Remember that Reagan speech? Which he was. That was what he said. I do not recall. in full mode dementia. fall in love with the idea of what Ronald Reagan was. Like they reminisce it's all steeped in mythology. Mickey Scarfa, whoever the fuck it was. We really do. He's probably, in my opinion, the most philosophical and the most interesting former president ever.

2:38:13 Jerry Falwell was out of power. Ronald Reagan's approval rating six months out of office was something like 42%. Yeah. Yeah. He's a fucking guy who was the head of the CIA. Yeah. Herbert Walker Bush, you never hear a negative thought about that guy. No, he's a saint now. Yeah. Yeah. Can't we have both? as slightly better than the alternative. We dose you up and we send you away.

2:40:49 Thank you. there's a link to his Amazon page your birthday, send peoplekah, your birthday. LegalZoom.com. Go to LegalZoom.com Go to O-N-N-I-T. 7 o'clock tonight. So, until