Joe Rogan Experience #536 — Joe Quirk Transcript

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0:00 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! talked about international waters going out and creating a city, a floating city, and trying to We always have them. And we sort of have these government monopolies that control the decisions people make. and allow innovators to go out there I mean, Jamie can go out there and declare himself tyrant of Jamie's stead.

2:49 If we're on the sea, you got to compete to attract immigrants. that sets up a completely different dynamic. colonizing it and building floating cities. It's a very interesting concept, but I'm going to be society is structured today but change brings a whole new set of problems and people are afraid And the key idea is that on the water, If those people aren't happy with your seastead, they can detach and move somewhere else.

6:20 you're thinking about customers looking for the kind of governance they want. Why is this coffee mug so available, so cheap, and so plentiful? I think it's really interesting, this comparison that you made in a recent video that I watched place. It's been in place for a long time it's archaic it's it's very everything to innovate to the incredible degree that it is at today whether it's computers whether

9:32 But governance is not, and because it is these monopolies, over these small little changes. And then everyone ends up with a bitter compromise and nobody is happy. Well, then you can move it somewhere else. their rules. So we're just stuck with these old rules. Some of these guys just want to get a C-STED 12 miles offshore and start pushing forward stem cells and biotech, which is personalized

12:31 That's a very complex and tricky issue because a lot of people are worried about quacks. I like it. I don't have a monopoly. And he's innovated in the realm of stem cells. Jarvis Green had been forced to retire. He took Centeno's treatments. He grew back his cartilage and he jumped out of bed capture. We have this instinct that if you just make a monopoly of regulators and put them in

15:27 We're telling you to stop. I don't think so there's a doctor his name is Peter Weller from Yeah, probably. I mean, it has an amazing effect on knees, amazing effect. I've had it done on my neck, on my back. I mean, People are coming up with new innovations and the climate among people innovating in by government? It's because we don't have innovation because the government monopolies

18:19 Like, there's been all these different things that he's shilled on his show hey, man, we're going to take some part of your hip out and we're going to fix your spina bifida. So if people want to stop what you're doing that you like about the reinjection of the blood, And then a couple hundred years later, they turn to dog shit. It's like Waco in the ocean.

21:07 giant bunch of land with a bunch of captive citizens that he can control. He has to convince Condos you buy, you're stuck there, you You got a mortgage. You're not going anywhere. I'm upside down on my loan. They're building floating homes. When you go there and suggest we need to build floating cities, they don't think it's crazy. What about crime?

23:41 you know if it weren't for all this fluid commerce that you They have sound propulsion. They have armed guards. if you're going to found your seastead, think like a cleaner fish in a world of sharks. You know, China is not invading Hong Kong. The United States is invading the Cayman Islands. Malaysia hasn't invaded Singapore. When new island nations provide huge economic value to the big nations, they do quite well.

25:53 You know, Hong Kong gained some level Chinese to escape poverty because of the example set by Hong Kong. And there are examples like this how far away do you think we are from a legitimate seastead nation? It'll be under the jurisdiction of that particular government. need any of your land. Let's see what we can create. Maybe we can hire some local people.

29:06 They've built the hull, and it should be on the water by 2017. the idea of space. They haven't been sold on the idea of floating cities. from people being able to freely compete according to the you know decisions of the citizens I realized wow this is a fundamentally Another group estimated about 55. So we are fabulously wealthy with our access to institutions.

32:21 So there's desperate people who want to go somewhere. I mean, there's migrant workers are fleeing their countries and trying to find better lives Like, you can imagine you start a vast algae farm. There are people so desperate to get out of their countries. And now their grandchildren are living lives of fabulous prosperity. And new countries created in the past few decades apply more modern rules to their founding, and they do better jobs.

36:28 Yeah? Old countries do not. And the new startup countries set the examples that change things. So why are we waiting for historical accident? I'd like to You're saying, I've got to provide you an incentive to come live with me. over a bunch of boats on the ocean. He's planning it. shoot down anything that comes anywhere near you at what point is the government going to feel

39:46 miles off the coast of Venezuela, independent countries that are much wealthier and Venezuela weapons, and most of them don't have standing armies. You have to pay for that stuff. Like, except a big port and they're able to create all this wealth through trade and through policies so how does a seastead get enough money to get uh um to build up a a giant nuclear warhead or

41:43 And this is why these large, um, Am I right also in thinking yeah what was that stupid movie with mark mark perfect perfect story yeah yeah yeah as tsunamis And the hotel where they ate breakfast in is destroyed. The city is destroyed. are that can stay out there like you can create boats but the problem is boats have to come to And these were on the water in 1962.

45:16 photo of it that he just pulled up here this is what it looks like yeah that's what the top part actually not. If you build your pillars deep enough and buoyant enough, you can set your Yeah, there's so much I can tell you about. And everything people do in cities, they're already doing on cruise ships. And that would obviously be on like a smaller boat

48:39 it was called the Lursk and the company is called Mamomet. I don't know how to pronounce these looks like Shell is going to build one soon. So the question is now how do we make it cheaper? Empire State Building. You can fit several, you know, football fields on it. And it's going to be they don't think of it as an independent country. You could play, I think it's five football games in a row.

51:04 But we could if we had a great idea for a can't go out and build a skyscraper right expensive but we could to the Cayman Islands and building what are called health cities, ready to catch the rising wave of off the coast of a major American city. Given that we don't have that, I'm going to build one in the Cayman Islands. And I'm like, oh, my God, like there's so many people thinking along these lines. Like if we could just, we have innovations and technologies moving forward, and we have regulatory structures and governments holding it back. And the world can't be held back.

53:17 I mean, far past what they projected. And now other countries are starting to look at the We're seeing record lows, record lows as far as traffic fatalities and drunk driving. And now all these other states are now first switching to medical marijuana and projecting legalized marijuana all throughout the entire country. Dakota says, you know what, we're not so happy with the way things work. What we're going to do is we're going to open up South Dakota to a complete utopian society.

55:10 No. Now, the special economic zones, there's actually thousands of them all over the Given the example that Hong Kong set, you know, China agreed to create a little special economic zone called Startup cities, people are a big supporter of seasteading. Seasteads are mobile. And then it's batten down the hatches, get in the basement, you know, whatever you have to do.

58:10 How many States wide was Katrina before it hit? Um, A lot of people don't know that. Really? the fact that the surface of a tropical ocean is very warm and a thousand feet down, it's very cold is warmest and as an added benefit you're safe from hurricanes for the most part so the equator It seems like there should be. It's an abstraction. Yeah, and I don't understand why.

1:02:25 that didn't even know about the other guys, but hears about seasteading and comes to us with, And as the ocean comes by the islands, it creates little eddies behind these I mean, off the coast of Hawaiian Islands, there is some government jurisdiction. I'm like, I had no idea. is not to simply create a monopoly that has permanent control Right. and you try to apply those same innovations today with the Samsung Galaxy S5,

1:06:37 being that can pre-regulate the innovations that are happening in a decade, you realize that the So every country goes through this cycle. essentially the the balancing act is between safety and innovation, right? the most beneficial, whether it's like the most beneficial innovative technology arises, or do you who invariably lean them towards, i remember um fen fen you remember that yeah where people uh i remember this girl she was about

1:10:41 She bloons up again. From the sixties. on the world. Yeah, ten years. It can't be that, right? Like, you're incentivized to provide a good service. Yeah. And Dr. Oz, I mean, he's a good example of the point I'm trying to make. I mean, he's in a regulatory structure. He's completely ensconced. And what he people are reacting against him. This is a good thing.

1:15:11 John Oliver did a whole piece on Dr. Oz and Dr. Oz being brought in front of Congress. new. And that's the situation we're in. Yeah. I mean, I'm not a big government guy. I'm not put out a book with you know no words in it and I don't put out a book with, you know, no words in it. And I listen to you instead. You're not proposing any sort of new structure for government, new structure for finances, what you're doing is you're sort of opening up the door

1:18:41 I can't design this microphone, but I think I can design and you can handle 20 people. If we had a relationship with 19 other folks and we were all You have things like weird things that go down I could not possibly make this They emerge from the kind of global ecology of voluntary transactions that produces solutions. So I've written the book. Yeah.

1:22:13 they were smart enough to see that I'm driven by it and I'm passionate about I, to the nonprofit. I can't keep up with them. We just don't have numerous people experimenting We have a donation page on the website. And what is the website? and what is, it's only a minute, right? Each one is probably about five minutes on average. Well, let's click on the link, Jamie.

1:26:00 part let's hear this when we listen to sea, we know what our moral imperatives are. What is the timeline on implementing this sort of a thing? This is when we're going to run out of phosphate. This is when we're going to reach peak oil. You That'll attract more ideas. qualified engineers that are coming to us with ideas for how to how to do this on the ocean so

1:29:00 using the ocean as a solar panel to replace fossil fuels. Populations are going up. So we can park, a lot of people are proposing that we park algae farms around the dead zones off the coasts of various cities in the world, absorb all that nutrient and carbon pollution, and various natural organisms that remove these things from, you know, And turn that into fuel.

1:31:17 It's in toothpaste. species has a lot of fiber you know fish don't synthesize their own omega-3s. They get it by eating algae. There's so many ways you can use the healthier plants of the sea to feed people. for three and a half billion years, you know, it knows what it's doing and we've been working that you might have to seed some iron. All this hopeful stuff is going on,

1:34:31 the ocean most of the oxygen comes from the ocean as far as like like you mean like algae and sea we need to do. The more carbon you pull out of the ocean, the more carbon the oceans pulls out of the air. in order to truly innovate. And you look at all the things that's going on today. Like there's a young man who invented something can't be done. So I get humbled often by experts that describe, well, that's never going

1:37:57 This is his system. We could ramp this up and clean the great garbage patch. And guess what? Nobody knows. We don't It's a huge, huge issue. Then you have to have, you know, biofoulants and all this stuff. And sashimi guys, a guy named Wong in Hawaii, are declaring it a great sashimi. We proved that with bisons, mastodons, even ducks. of wild animals if that's all we ate there's a way though to regulate and what the problem i think is at least as it's been understood or as it's been

1:43:10 should not be a wild west it should be civilization it should be a part of civilization right but if somehow another repopulate the wild populations of these fish like tuna drastically reduced did Fascinating, right? And then more and more people told me it's not about that. environmentalist. And he went back and read about fish populations in the world. And, you know,

1:45:36 Fish farms can help with that. was do you know of any methods that are being contemplated for repopulation, a market-based regulation on the water That's hard to do. Yes, ands tells a story about trying to work with you know be managed or they go away. The present way we're dealing with the oceans is obviously not working. in africa and they were contrasting kenya with a nation that's next to it and i forget what it is

1:49:34 So, I mean, we can drill down and discuss how regulations can evolve and now are quite common. They've become a resource. And we're talking about the same thing. you essentially have ownership over this. Well, they're not poaching. It's kind of fucking crazy. It's not just a simple manner of Yeah. And I love animals. And my wife is an animal fanatic. And if we care about

1:53:16 And there's a place that I go to called Tohon Ranch. On one waterhole, they have a trail camera mountain lions well no but you have to manage the populations of all of these animals. looking towards the future, I mean, look at what percentage of our diet is based on seafood. It's got to be I'm an ocean freak, yes. And man, sitting on a boat and looking out at the sea, you want to talk about contemplation, relaxation, you know, some nice breathing.

1:56:21 so cool to look at somebody made that well what a mountain is is essentially the most incredible artwork ever, I mean, we were staying in a place in colorado my wife and i and i you sit there like looking at the water splashing up against the rocks and everybody's just chilled thinking about like little islands like the seychelles islands and you know the people that

1:58:51 we we evolved from uh the ocean and we have to complete the cycle and get back to uh get back what makes us different from other large apes Chimp falls in the water, drowns in mere minutes. We don't have hard evidence like a webbed hominid foot. It was true when I wrote my book. It drowns very fast. One in 2,000, one in seven. large brains um the mammals with the largest brains are mostly in relation to the rest of

2:02:50 the main ones are like hairlessness and subcutaneous fat. most people that die, your body's going to be absorbed by the animals, the biology, by bacteria, Oh, man. And then also the fat thing, that if you take a chimp, like little baby chimps are hard, hard these weird qualities? Yeah. And then also the fat thing. beneath our skin, this sort of subcutaneous

2:04:44 sitting out there staring at the ocean. Listen, man, this is a great podcast. And Seasteading, is it just Seasteading on Twitter? Yeah, I appreciate it. Glorious. and save 10% off your first purchases. Use the code word ROGAN and save 10% off any and all supplements. Mwah. Tchau, tchau.