Joe Rogan Experience #540 — Steven Rinella Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. and that should be a nice, silly trip. You climb a little higher and it's like, boom. and um 70 they they kept saying like 70 some mile hour winds, blew down a bunch of foam poles. The next day, a pilot came up to kind of fly over to see if we were still alive and everything. I think by some definitions, it's either the third or fourth biggest island we have.

2:25 no lakes to land and it's really hard to walk there so sometimes you're looking at there's Unless you can land up there on a lake. about it too but they just the forest service up there just announced they're gonna be uh Economics. but I always feel like there's got to be another way to make money. And you're dealing with how old do you think these trees are?

5:16 Paper? all kinds of succulents and deer come up out of the timber to feed around there and then in october wales island is a part that those wolves are genetically extinct and they therefore deserve certain sorts of hunting seasons so it winds up being that all your friends aren't necessarily, And there's a good healthy population. They're down 2,000 feet lower in the river mouths feeding on salmon.

8:51 You see some berries around, but I think that so many of the bears are focused on that stuff. and it's just black bears everywhere on top of the mountain feeding on blueberries. Grizzlies. the baits they have out for the black bear. and there's a there's a very well-regarded hunting guide in alaska who's written some good never seen where another brown bear will come and scavenge that carcass.

11:41 Is he too scared of them? Oh, really? When we were up there, one of the bears, one of the boars, to eat but there seems to be this upside where there's an additional upside besides caloric I'm talking in a genetic sense, around and you know and get her again make love to the woman whose children he consumed and they fuck as many dolphins as they can,

15:26 of fact, anybody who's listening to this, know that name. He was a maniac. Lilly would take acid and set up a tank next to the dolphins. dolphin would like hump her leg all the time and it'd be really distracting because he was a young Yeah, it's a completely different apparatus And you'd be like, well, you know, some animals are actually they kind of hate the conversation you know because they really resist not resistant to but

19:16 I don't either. They bite them. Yeah. like to call them orcas you know and orca is some greek word i think just means cetacean just means that but i told you killer whale not because i wasn't aware because i was trying to circumvent Yeah. I thought, pardon me. I thought you were saying to someone wasn't a mammal or whale. Is it? Yeah. But a dolphin's a toothed whale, too, because it's a cousin of a dolphin. Oh, I see what you're saying.

21:54 I'd be curious. whales as being these beautiful creatures and we think of why we have this weird idea of killer You should have a giant piece of land. incapable of ever being reintroduced into the wild unless you take them and it would have to But what zoos are always able to use in their defense is that with cases like the panda, Florida panther, they're a genetic reserve.

24:33 of wild populations that have been supplemented listen, dude, you're getting the wrong idea. don't think it what the fuck is his name because he narrated a show headfield right yeah james Yeah, where you get way back, yeah. That's what they do. I mean, they are enormous, enormous beasts. i don't know what it is you might pay 25 30 grand for the hunt it's interesting watching but a

27:38 I could be wrong. I mean, what is a full-grown grizzly way? And he kind of has a passage in there where he talks about the 1,000-pound bear. and the second one it was a much quicker view of them but again i thought it was a coyote until i this what people are seeing because it's absolutely a black bear and this bear just for whatever So if you were in the woods and you saw this bear doing that, you'd be like, I saw a fucking

30:27 Pull it from the beginning so we can see the whole thing. you're looking at right there are often about as long as you see a bear. That's an ape. Oh Looks like his right paw is missing But just the fact that a bear has that ability. There's no trap that would be used for fur bearing animals now that would cripple that thing to the point where he would do that if he got caught in a in a foothold trap or leg old trap

32:27 Really? But anyways, what the trap largely serves to do is hold something. I wonder what happened to him. Yeah. I've seen bears that I'm fairly convinced, And you'll see where you'd get muskrats that would, in trap or parlance, I never saw it on larger animals. You check your traps on a very tight schedule. fur trapper but who just got mad about some bear or whatever getting into his dumpster

36:36 Those are real. There's a bear trap right there? Yeah, so there's a lot of guys that make reproductions of old bear traps. town called the improv in the front of the comedy club at one time they've abandoned it but it was They had one of those sickles that, you know, like the death dealer. Old-timey. This is nice. Me and my old man cut down. to move one of these slabs from miles city out to washington

40:09 And it's got two levels. And I've written everything I've ever written on this one desk. It's all oak. beginning of my time here in la and i'll never get rid of that fuck so when you say that you've written do you sit down and write yes stand up well I sit down and write this is what I do i don't like that if i'm gonna if i want and then I go over it, and then I extract ideas that come out of that.

42:35 And then along the way, usually I'm baked. adderall and i'll start writing about Adderall. It's a really good book. No, for me, I'm so aware of the process that there's no surprising thing to me. times and he was saying that when he was growing up and he wanted to be a writer he pictured that writers would be that you're sitting at a desk startle you now the other night i wrote my brother's getting married this weekend, my older brother, and I sat down to make some notes about my best man speech.

46:17 And I found that turn to make it sweet and nice. about writing how do you spell his name j-o-h-n w-i-n oh my john winneker it's like writers on So I learned more about writers, deep deep satisfaction okay i love having done it when i die if they will if they chisel writer discount the role of an editor and i don't know if you do something similar with your stand-up you

49:19 the thing yeah there's so much going on there's music that's the way it's edited oh yeah extremely and um and he was just getting beat up i mean he admitted it you know and it kind of became What you do. I think, you know, we usually will sleep at night. sleeping bag i see what you're saying i think they just think of it as like existing Do you know what I mean?

52:39 And one of the guys that was on the other show, camera and the whole deal i mean these fucking cameras are no joke and hiking just carrying a he's off doing other stuff you know it was like a treat it was like a treat to have him but no he's we always try and do and but he's just in such demand you know i she was like you know it's so dangerous there please don't go he's got a wife and kids and so

55:14 But the thing was always like, but Shockey's legit or some such thing. amazing thing some uh i mean there's just some good clips of stuff he's done. Yeah, he's been to some wild places. And he's out there wearing the traditional Muslim garb. So he's wearing their outfits as he's hunting. Some of them look like they're made he's a registered nurse. Yeah, it's fucking hard.

58:20 you know we did a show out there i'm interrupting my own story we did a show out there. Interrupting my own story. We did a show out on Prince of Wales last spring I just feel like anything we could have done out there, we've done. in the tree stand it's always in the same sort of farmland on the edges of these cornfields and it's the same show every

1:00:04 the doe trails were the buck trails. Oh, really? We got deer. focused on that on your show too though the difference like the one time that you went just thinking about the animals, which is fun. about deer sure but he's thinking about through the context of of human activities so deer being scared by you yeah he's like you And you would pretty much plan that would be your thing,

1:03:38 without spooking them. And he waits until someone sees them because he knows where they're going to go. and you can see them in the distance, It's funny because in the beginning of that show, Because the Pacific Northwest doesn't have those sounds. I know my brother, who is an ecologist up there, that elevation band where Prince Will's Island is, is sort of the richest marine environment of anywhere.

1:06:25 It just kind of. They're like tables. you like you'll smell and you're like that's, that's elk. That's not, we're elk word, it's we're elk art. would cross over to cumberland gap which is very is very near there. And then he would go to, you know, what was, we call the Bluegrass Hills. Mountain lions were shot out. timber and it created sort of this open savannah like environment and people recognize it'd be a

1:09:49 running around in Kentucky. we could totally bring back way more than we have now. to more and more of their native range is just selling it to the public. But some stuff, like when it comes to bringing big animals back, Now Kentucky's a source site for other reintroductions. more protein. It was just tough. Flavor was great, but it was just a tough tough tough bowl to chew on just a big muscular animal and it's just

1:13:07 me talk about this guy too like his aversion to waste his a buddy of ours got married one time and and his bride's neighbors were out of town for during the wedding ceremonies the bride's neighbor will declare this freezer burned if you trim that stuff away and you either seal it with a vacuum sealer and then don't mess with And the only time it happens to me is if I wind up having something get kind of lost in my freezer.

1:16:00 She eats more wild game meat than most people. Yeah. I took a guy hunting who you should have on the show at some point. He grew up fishing and liked to fish a lot. It's a big boar. steaks and roasts i had 83 pounds of ground meat off that black bear it was a big bear The only thing worse to me than getting trigonosis was throwing away this bear meat.

1:19:52 and it just is passed along through consumption. food scraps and he fed them and he was selling inspected pork. So you can't do that now. So now And we start a little fire and skewer up just some pieces just to sample it. I never think another thing about it, right? So, and it's like a weird kind of the shits. and i'm like what were you saying about muscle aches dude and it wound up four of us all had it

1:23:16 And it takes them forever. the cdc gets involved in this um i was now in kings county k they sent me a thing recently where no one in kings county has They come in a car, and I go down and hand them a shank off this bear. But I'm fine now. I said, well, I'm going to go take it. Whoa. breeds complacency you know i thought it was contempt is that what it is yeah no well then

1:26:57 of hiding the fact it was like really stupid it was a stupid thing to do and i wanted i remember game for his rehearsal dinner. So, I Whoa. And I did it. They eat meat. Did you get a grinder? I'd be curious just to take a piece of that wild pork and send it in and see if it has Make sure I did what I'm already doing, I guess. it seems to be i think it was in his book he says it seems that there's evidence to suggest that

1:30:18 That it's a different northern variety that's just got more tolerance? He can't tell you where an animal is, but he provides transportation. And the Walrus Commission will make decisions about what walrus harvest but you're not allowed to hunt it so but you someone could give it to you could you bring it alaska and now sea otter numbers are you know really recovered in a lot of areas but still

1:33:36 Yeah. Yeah. could find about trigonosis but that just got better one day that's wild so i quit reading I go into a doctor. But I eventually convinced them man I think I got Lyme disease. Like real dismissive He and I got Lyme disease at the same time, fish and bluegills. right away is like i wonder if he's got lyme disease looks like one of those bullseye rashes

1:36:56 Right? bathtub for whatever reason in the hot water, about how everyone's so hysterical about Lyme being like don't really need to worry about it of ideas if he didn't get better but he he responded so quickly to medication the uh but I was even trying to drink milkshakes and stuff. I bet. That's what they'll say. I tried to get in to see one of these Lyme specialists. And she

1:40:41 got better but i've met i've since then met other people who are The arth, what that means, That's one of the bullseye rash, they were diagnosing Against Lyme disease So this guy was terrified of getting Lyme disease, gets a vaccination against Lyme disease, I just heard this or read this. it's becoming like much more common in other places and isn't there a direct correlation

1:43:26 I can't answer that. like eight hours of time and i knew that i was supposed to write about a subject and here was Boardman is, but I can't imagine why Mark Boardman's name would be on a sticky note on that what it meant. like a sporting goods place, I thought I was dying. But then when we went to these conferences where these people would meet that have this Morgellons issue,

1:47:08 believes that there's a neurotoxic effect that you get from Lyme disease, from some Yeah. And he goes, I could feel it moving across my eye, but then there was nothing there. And he comes back home when it gets worse and weirder. I told Doty, I said, you know what? like an infection is in your spinal fluid. He was like, fuck this place. Yeah, I was scared because I remember,

1:50:06 parasites like almost everything that you've had giardia yeah or something i got a colon infection i was gonna die so anyways i just had like just the weirdest stuff and i keep i keep bringing up sort of a sin against the universe i gotta let you talk to him i can't even i don't want to speak Because the Amazon shaman and the people that- So most of the time, when most people get DMT, what they're getting is the synthesized version

1:52:54 If you had phalaris grass growing in your front lawn, you essentially have a schedule run drug Literally that ridiculous. I think you can produce it in a lab. There was a guy that got arrested, and they took all of his money and locked him up in Yeah. So if you get, like if say if you smoke DMT, like I did it, like I said last week, you're blasted to the center of the universe for about 15 minutes and then

1:56:03 experiences that he had when he's talking about all these flashbacks, but something happens when you open up that you to for lack of a better word it's causing you to trip yes but you might out of all the psychedelics by far the way i describe it is mushrooms times a million plus it'd be it'd be a waste do you mean like personally or as a performer personally personally yeah well

1:58:56 No. It's like going to the dentist. Don't think about that. was just 15 minutes or would it feel like you were gone like days no it doesn't feel like days and fucking yoga like so many people say things like that it just makes you moan like oh you shut see people roll their eyes like my wife used to hate him because he was so cheesy and he would You know, there's a lot of that, man.

2:02:45 No. you know, I had a meeting with him one time, Well, there was a guy once. We're going to cost you far more than you would spend to have my company come in, the Rainbow Coalition or whatever the fuck it was. at reverend jesse jackson he's a religious man oh where's he getting all this fucking money yeah he is a where he sort of presents himself as the great hero.

2:06:08 is or what he does. punchline. Yes, he is the punchline. For so many people. Well, you know the Tawana Brawley? on nothing was based on all lies it was based the the entire scenario jet jetted him into the public Like, his clear and obvious bias and his cookie cutter idea of racism in America. and he's a goofball yeah and he's many thousand dollar suits on television demanding you know

2:09:28 Like, you almost sound It's almost like Yeah, they used to do... that thing um the incomprehensible universe that series yeah it's an amazing series i think it's We're going to light you on fire unless you repent. He also made an animation form, which you'd be interested in, showing how wolves became dogs. And over the course of human civilization evolving,

2:11:22 Yeah. Amazing. 1400 1400 1500 no no no 50 probably some i, it's a hotly debated number, but sometime between like some, our oldest sites are 14,000 Oh, yeah. a domestic version of the eurasian wolf and then they came down and here you had a number of wild canines tribes they hadn't those dogs weren't showing like there hadn't been dogs that came from europe

2:14:26 That kind of surprised me because one of the things people look at is why are, you know, Coyote-wolf hybrids are prowling Rock Creek Park in D.C. suburbs. Coming out of where? So it's a gray wolf. It's a good question. was on this story long ago but you know my entire life this debate about where mountain lions that Yeah, this is or7 they actually got

2:17:41 able to go like yeah a wolf decided one day you know to leave there and go down into the Juneau area radio collared moose of stuff. They had a radio collared and fell in and died. Wolverines are really rare to find, right? i was driving down the hall road the the trans alaska pipeline road and you know you're up like if you go if you're Driving down that road one time,

2:20:50 a car and he gets that like oh shit you know this ain't good you know based on whatever experiences Look at that thing. Yeah, leggy though. Come out of hibernation killing every moose they find and just leaving their carcasses because they can't really handle you get from black bears on elk, They smell that placenta. fucking no holds barred brawl between this female bear with her two cubs oh really male who had come

2:23:59 And they're really young. And she turned around and attacked him, turned around and challenged him, there's your ass sitting there yeah well i was knocked up man i had an arrow knocked and you But, I mean, most of them, I don't know. when they're young but when they get older they can't get up that tree yeah that's what they were I mean, it went on for a while.

2:26:41 No, not acre. I'm like, where are all these fucking bears? the toms but predators will come to that noise and uh i had a bear come in behind me that i never during the midday when it's warm like nothing happens you know just go sleep somewhere and wait That night we headed out to go hunt elk, up the tree and be able to check it out but we run up there's not a black bear it's a sow grizzly

2:29:54 And here we are just running up on there. Just coming across something. you saw on that hunt show was how difficult it is to bow hunt for grizzlies because they first of But I know that shows don't show it. Yeah, that's probably smart. there like i watch the thing like you know i watch the thing where uh tom miranda you know kills like something to me about shooting some animals where it's like i don't get it like why i don't know

2:33:53 again just for me personally then go again and i might enjoy hunting more once i sort of felt like guys you know presumably they're gonna get a a monkey. They're going to cook it. That didn't bother me in an emotional way. and the monkey got shot in the back and the monkey with a dart. And the monkey reached around and grabbed the dart. They hunt. and they're cooking you a meal and they ask you, you know, they serve you what they eat,

2:36:57 But no, I wouldn't. Is that right? That's a friend of mine who told me, man. They kill them whenever they can He said kudu is similar, right because again and again we're told like deer overpopulated like yeah i mean from the 18 wheelers that they have these giant ones they put over the front of their trucks because Kill a lion, post a picture of a lion.

2:39:43 and a lot of it is sexism. have nothing to do with the gender of of the hunter yeah but this this thing like one point you can't escape it. And they killed it. And those things become such money sinks that we miss opportunities to understand this vast suite of other creatures out there that doesn't make it onto calendars. out they'll be like yeah this is about elk we have elk on our symbol you might think that we fetishize elk but i can tell you

2:43:30 that's one of the other things that drives people nuts about africa is that people going over there head in the garbage in order to be more pure or is it more pure that you'd have that you'd maintain and the importance that the commodification of wildlife plays in Africarica where here we have public owned publicly owned wildlife you know to preserve these large tracts of land and have animals on there so you can look at like what is

2:46:35 i've felt that a thousand times looking at those pictures but it's one of those things that the Theroux? Okay. Right. You can buy digital books Dude time flew And we're going to be real close when we're sharing the same tent. slash Rogan. Get 20%