Joe Rogan Experience #549 — Big Jay Oakerson Transcript

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0:00 Is it fucking up again? Do you get instant messages on your iPad? Is that an e-cigarette evil e-cigarettes Logic. interesting that that's interesting like a zero tobacco thing that just fills the habit because Yeah, like paid product placements. They're smoking e-cigarettes. So if he's smoking an e-cigarette, it's one of those things. out to the right yeah well there's that too and there's just there's also like on certain shows

2:53 the Apple logo or iPhones, but That's what it is. Really? John across the front real big. One pant leg rolled up like LL Cool J. And it's fun to expose that. Yeah? It blows my goddamn mind. they're just roaring high-fiving just losing their shit in the audience like really it's such Because there's guys I worked with in the black circuit when I started that, like, fantastic comics.

6:08 Right, right. Oh, it's ridiculous. Yeah. That's no joke, man. the breakout star and took off and had cookbooks and shit like a lot of these chicks do and as seen on Sean Diddy's Bad Boys of Comedy. They don't benefit from having a talented person they're these weird slaves okay, we own all your book sales of the reality stars, though, are completely made by the network.

8:36 Yeah, there's something that's like... I don't know. It's like he's a world-renowned chef. if after that show the horse stable's business they're doing something like that if you're a producer of a a television show or an executive Because one of the guys got shot and killed the other day Are the videos out there? they own you they own you? The reason why they want you is because they think people are going to tune into you

11:12 I'm talking about these reality shows. Of course she was. Did you see Alan Thicke's show? Yeah, the Gene Simmons thing is like that too, right? I found a letter the other day. Don't they have a new show? Gene Simmons has a new show. That's what I mean. He's helping them, like actually helping them, like giving them money so it's like come earn a little bit, I guess.

13:34 but I couldn't even where they're just boring. Oh, the best one is the best show by far, and I recommend that actually watch it. It's always like something you're tuning into. There's always some chaos. So they know how to hook you up. Oh, the best one is the best show by far. I could watch that over and over. out of the gates. to the hospital. but you hit her in the eyeball

14:57 And people will take things to the next level because that's how you get noticed. There's like a few fights that you want to see. James Toney is a good example. satisfy that gladiator urge and it makes it more crazy. And I love Tyson knockouts. Are we going to get in trouble for this? Yeah. Oh, he judo hip-tossed her and held her down. with Anthony Cumia getting hit on the street while he's taking photographs.

17:44 it's fucking dangerous, man. Getting punched in the face is and you're hitting a woman, anytime people are hitting people, if a woman hits you, it's fucking dangerous, man. man, you got to be really careful who you're hitting You're going to bounce your head off the ground. If you fall in dirt, you're going to be probably okay. Yeah, and the amount of distance that your head travels.

19:24 It's awful. it's awful it's people beat the fuck out of everybody you see abuse and you see people are just punting him in the head. for people, man. I've been in a lot, You know, tried to put somebody Yeah, I think. that's a very common one but i'm saying my point is being like a street i promise whatever the It's literally the worst people in the world, quite possibly.

22:26 went so far is because when he was trying to do a show off like, oh, let me stand up Yeah, he definitely had to. he wasn't getting He was crazy. because I don't even know for assuming he's homeless. Snopes. works in a karate school do you know i mean like that guy seems like not that you can't be crazy Well, actually, we probably shouldn't see Wow.

25:00 that indeed the victim must have died. When people get knocked out, they have that horrible snoring. That's not true at all. guy deserves to die the guy who did it the guy who died deserves to die? The guy who did it? The guy who died deserves to die? I don't know if he said, I'm going to come in and fight to the death. Kumite situation. the guy was a schizophrenic.

26:39 December 13th, and you could have, you, that guy literally also could have hugged him, and that would have I've seen it at my Taekwondo school. You know Okay And they would go They also could be martial arts trained, too. arts instructors are forced to defend themselves against these crazy people sure that didn't seem He gives him like a compliment.

28:47 And he's stomping on him while he's down. You probably would. Sure. It probably would come come out but this guy wasn't in that scenario this guy was like the guy was like, that motherfucker's probably killed a bunch of people before. then you come back home Like, how many homeless guys have you killed? You deliver a couple. There were? Yeah, guys that had

30:52 even back in school when it was the meet me at the library, Let's just do it. I had to do that a few times. Most of the guys who talk the most shit, though, just never had to really be confronted with somebody stepping up to it. So the idea was like these guys can't hang with you. everybody how much better his style was and people would duke it out it was it was crazy when you

33:08 When I was a kid, or I would teach classes. You know what's funny? good at it he excelled wrestling went to penn state wrestling there you know and then but No one says fucking. because you know at 165 pounds you slob you know just being like that you're like who's relating so I was getting, because he knows how to tell it funny. If you're going're gonna take by those

36:22 everyone in the 80s that i would watch to getting to where def jam became the thing above you dominating you the boss the president real comedy punches up and you know you don't But because he's punching down. that good dick you know when you're giving that good dick and you feel that asshole reverberating Get stoned and just watch a Nick Cannon special.

38:42 up in a club and you're all like spladoosh. No. This is... Tommy from Martin. Everyone gets a five. somebody comes out like actually they're a producer and hit you in the face with a pie I'm amazed by, Have you ever seen There's something that really stupid people are susceptible to that you're not susceptible to. that's always being judged by other comments say this is in general like when there's a hacky comic

42:13 couldn't even be in the room when they're on stage. did these like fake ad libs and i i knew they were fake while i was happening i didn't understand and he would say the same thing. No, it makes me sad. He goes, now you guys laugh. the road and me you know as a when i when i go on the road and someone opens for me i'm generally Accept that it sucks and move on.

45:42 well they definitely don't they don't give a though. All they care about is what can they sell. If they can sell the hookers, you only been doing stand for five months, they're going to protect you they're not going to go oh that big jay he's got potential That's not what I was talking about. have nothing to do with it i'm like no there was a connection in my mind there was something there

47:21 Yeah, probably after it's over. I mean, but the only way you're ever going to get protected as a comic is if you have a manager. Yeah. Like you were talking about your black comedy period. You know, it's just, there's nothing wrong with- Very religious. Nice. Because I'm the only white guy. The production Just because you're white? fuck a chick for five hours.

49:42 at nine in the morning or something like i think it's what it's called one mike stand but it wasn't called comic view It's going to be different. Like it's like an emotional, DJ, Kev used to host a no bullshit What? like dude don't make me say that please and he's like that's my name man it's my stage name and i The bouncer outside was a bounty hunter also.

52:47 Really? And a pimps and players nightclub. there and open for sometimes i would headline for these black ski trips, and they just fucking hated it. Yeah, but I mean, if somebody offers it you're like bar shows are a cool thing to have or younger comics who i fucking Brooklyn. so I'm looking at like, It is. Well, if it's a good show, if it's well run, it's very valuable to comedians.

55:20 Sure. You live in Manhattan? Cellar. New York Comedy Club's still around. And then there's like places I'm not fucking with him. Yeah. I mean it's really it's pretty nuts like there's yeah so that's the major clubs it's real that's the see live comedy in new york every night of the week you can see killers you can see you know they have to the open mic nights they make people sit out there from nine o'clock in the morning

58:54 years whatever the fuck it is it's the same thing it's that greedy thing that people do out here that's the one thing that i've always heard is like no they don't let you hang out there there's guest spots at all i'm like at all i thought it's go, I thought it's kind of up to the headliner if he doesn't care. Well, Wendy Curtis, you know. and not have a widget development team?

1:00:54 She was saying, what are you guys going to do for developing what city are you from and you know with Miami. Oh, what was your home club? I don't know. and just want to deal with comedians all the time, you gotta be either someone who loves start doing comedy They hire bookers I knew her as a waitress Now she's a pro. She's funny. Kurt's never had a girlfriend that hasn't eventually

1:03:35 I'm going to do your stupid thing. he was just instantly hilarious just would find things that were goofy about people not enjoying your life and you know not enjoying your job but you saw a guy like you having the Like do you have like friends some from before comedy still? Yeah No one gives a shit. but a lot of times and afterwards they were like,

1:06:03 Catch up and whatever. I'm not saying they had to say those words, but if they showed that at all, it makes them of just doing it in philly keith robinson grabbed me kurt metzger and kevin hart and started taking you kind of left them. You know and it's like that you grow up with because they went to school with you and they were your friends. i wouldn't call him back you know you could probably get a hold of me but i'm he's too

1:08:10 Like we drove in together to the city and from Queens and hung out all the time. And when I see him, we love to catch up and bullshit and have a good time. I think he's angry at my racisms also. that they also didn't discuss. guy's your friend and he's involved in some sort of a public crisis like anthony was you know first They want other people to boycott the show and cancel SiriusXM because of that.

1:10:38 could fuck with your personal life you know i think that's probably what would happen there And I just didn't. I wish he didn't get fired. You have to decide what helps your business. Where he and I, I don't know what his take on the social ramifications or the reasons for this racial issue or this violence And I think that what he did is also it's a function of that form of media like doing things in 140 characters you

1:13:34 I'm talking about in that moment of fury, you need to call a friend who's going to go, I know, dude, right? about that's one thing but to someone to just take those tweets and retweet them or take them See it, retweet it, see it on a blog, lot of people a lot of close people to his world are like a lot of people will disagree with you you only see the person's attacking you, and you only see the group that they're attached

1:16:08 I've talked to him on the radio, and I love talking to him. evidence that they're committing far more crimes is it a combination of both is it a lack of social It wouldn't make any kind of news, You know, well, what do you what are the examples you're talking about? and he's still doing silly things. Well, he doesn't have to. You know, it's like a Netflix subscription type thing.

1:19:26 by making a subscription service. Howard Stern gives you like for what you're paying. Yeah, but I'm saying Does he have an internet subscription thing? internet subscription thing. and then years of, you know, there's no like, Sure. you get addicted to it. especially because satellite radio is in their car. I mean, I guess you could watch Anthony's show on TV, but that's not how most people are probably watching it.

1:22:06 channel that i really love it's uh it's all about various sports cars and the inner workings of them i wonder what hulu's thing was with their fall off or whatever when they went from hey have it them with like cable uh internet providers and different internet providers like now they're Guys fighting for bandwidth. all and just get like a subscription to hbo go and showtime.com and all that stuff and they watch

1:24:35 and you pretty much have access to everything commercial and then a couple minutes after that bam there's another commercial like oh my god Just like I stop now, but for a long time, well beyond needing one. Yeah. They're like what do I want to see here and you go on and sometimes I'll take a half an hour I'm going to watch that shit. You owe it to the Jeff Healy band to do it.

1:26:54 Roadhouse and she would watch Roadhouse every night. like every community had a local video store, like a mom and pop video store. They're going to be gone. Specifically for porn, in a red box. they'd always find titles that weren't very porn sounding and then i I would go, I'd stay at my grandma's the next night, Did she ever call you on it? Really?

1:29:27 And they paid the penalty on all of them. Yeah, they were weird tits. She was a woman. The guy in the show? Isn't it weirdly gay if that's the reason? So he was really getting hard for gay guys. Adult artists? didn't fucking know that you guys didn't know that you guys know that how do you know that Yeah, and all the tapes were red. Black dude named Frank.

1:32:17 Way before the internet. But I think if I was a... I think a lot of people you know what I mean do remember in school like the girls who fucked it was kind of quiet uh and the ones who everybody of my knowledge not doing this stuff but they were doing a thing a few years ago where the uh the cable company, and then go back to the loading screen they remember when they had

1:35:02 banging her like where's her pussy sitting there belly button it's and Carry On, Emmanuel was on, images anymore yeah and the only thing that's hot about it well they're hot but it's just that And the porn stars were really a couple notches behind. Excitement of that's it's so out there like there's still something more exciting if you saw a girl that was hot at the gas station

1:37:23 I get it. well you also get like uh i think i also used to be able to jerk off in fucking three minutes now They give the monkeys coke and they just keep hitting that coke button until their We've done all this. That guy's in jail, I think. No. till at one point uh max hardcore i believe it is getting ready to do something terrible to her and And she makes a face like it's pretty real.

1:40:21 waste my fucking time and then she agrees to do it and the documentary guys step in and they turn the camera off and just says like at this dick going in because it's just not the way it's a documentary guy. Do you know that that's not a setup? That's not necessarily true. isn't uh this isn't a jerk offable thing in any way this whole thing is terribly like what the

1:42:17 He seemed like a horrible dude. He's like, well, you're a little fat, but I can work with that. I mean, the guy did go to jail. It's a very scary thing. are certain places that have like really strict obscenity laws and so they prosecuted him in And that loophole was the freedom of expression. unrelated thing but if you made a movie uh about a guy who was a horrible serial killer right and

1:44:51 the end and everybody feels safe no it's just awful from the beginning to the end it's awful that would be illegal and you would actually go to jail for like you can't smack a chick in the in the pedigree well in movies for sure there's been domestic violence in movies without a doubt you never see a man and it's a real hit. sure that snooki got punched in the face by a dude yeah that was real 100 that was 100 i got

1:47:12 Yeah. Polo athletes. Was that a WorldStarHipHop video? Yeah, he mounted him. Like, you don't have enough energy left to attack him. For sure. Do you know what I mean? daughter thing, when I did Fallon, He's on the Eagles still. And it was such a weird thing. And if they can force you into action, they've won some sort of an online contest. can think that what you said is not funny.

1:50:48 Yeah, but it's... I mean, if you talk about it and you engage them and they get to and you know, at one point with the the down the people that are talking down on it would call the social justice warriors it's like you can't you can you just can't have any mocking jokes about any woman getting raped and it was okay it's like you can't you can you just can't have any mocking

1:53:02 this woman like self-righteously yells out actually there's nothing funny about rape as if he didn't know that as if he wasn't saying that because she went and she wrote this blog and then he wound up giving this like fake apology which where are you going? It's Jonathan Silverman, fucking chicks against their will suspect was the whole SVU team goes and sits front row at his comedy show, is what they do first,

1:55:30 kind of people that actually would be rapists they would be talking about how rape is awful Was his name Vince Champ? I could be wrong about that, obviously. Yeah. I feel like, how could you fuck someone who's really snapping their legs shut and fighting? Obviously, it can happen. Like, guys definitely rape. I think men are just bigger. Well, I'm not even talking about that.

1:58:28 I control my girl. forget all personal appearances. It's not hard. Let's take it around the horn. a lot of violence involved, right? Like hitting, Man. Yeah, If you feel like you're limited in that regard. like they almost, And the type of cancer was actually proving to be, Yeah, but just constantly attacking and fucking mangling each other. fascinating stuff one of them was on the apocalypse like how uh what the asteroid impact did and how many

2:02:23 biting they're biting each other in the face and and that's not a discussion that's just nature just what's the up killing him. They make him write a book. They just cripple him into the hive to breed, and then they wind up killing him. We have a conversation about how difficult it would be to rape somebody, and it's dangerous, going and then he's going to be out there on his own.

2:04:05 food anymore then the lions have to go get their own food and a lot of those old males they start Really? Yes Even in India? I wouldn't have normally associated that with India. i don't think they're directly affiliated but there's like there's street gangs you know like and carrying hay sickles. that you see in like inglewood and compton on the television shows that that's somehow another

2:07:46 if someone's reaction is something it's probably like flipping of me to say like that's like at the same time, why? job of communicating an idea because that certainly was never what i was thinking but what i was And he just picked him apart. been appreciating what larry holmes was able to do to this guy who'd been able to knock out some yeah but um i did it a little bit when i was 20 not but not nearly as enthusiastically with

2:10:38 He's like, damn, that dude's awesome. Oh, that's right. He had a fight with someone, and it was important. I think he may have been found guilty of that. Yeah, yeah. goes out there like a fucking bat out of hell fucking ferocity of the reactions the black guys all thought it was very valid. And if a million people like you and a million people hate you,

2:13:25 Floyd Mayweather, this guy's sort of a dick. But I mean, like, you know, he's just like, Well, I've read some I don't know what it is. connects or every my donna right hand that lands there's like a lot of rounds where he's not even he was like 21 years old to the time that he's 25 starts martial arts and becomes the light And to be that popular and that famous at 25, yeah, you're going to fuck up, man.

2:15:53 Philly, Forrest He was like, there's Some people, yeah. I know it's an aggressive situation, but I think dropping a guy that he said he knew to him, he goes, John, go win these people back and go check on if he's okay. I know him from backstage. they're pretty fucking ferocious. I mean, that's common. And he said the last one was like running his mouth kind of thing yeah Babalu who's

2:18:20 for an extra couple of seconds was okay whereas babaloo's guy went out and then he talked about But it is one of those things where you appreciate, like Nate Marquardt fought this guy Damian Maia, that boy jones is like almost look at the ref like stop this he did that with vinnie pazienza getting that energy back up to do it again must be really, really hard.

2:20:26 Yeah. It was a really ugly weight cut. And he might have been on some shit to his muscles. He looked terrible. and we connected and knocked him out, Roy was never the same. Well, Tyson went to jail after he lost the title. He's like, take your head out of this. Like, there's no contact the kind of punch that would uh really put you in Like, it didn't look like the kind of punch that would really put you in a catatonic state like that.

2:22:59 on the Washington Wizards. Like, you never wanted to believe it wouldn't be good anymore. right that's what they say they said he was begging for money well actually it turned out Yeah, that's absolute. Do you know Stan Hope? But go ask. Or Marilyn Manson. I wrote him on Bobby Kelly's podcast. Oh, I gave him references to who to ask about me I got stoned and I was listening to Dice what it was? I got stoned and I was listening

2:25:37 There's no pedestal that I have like our bonding thing that we both just love Dice. So now when I see him, just one of those guys, He's been on the podcast a bunch of times. It was Bobby Kelly? Yeah, Bobby Kelly was there too. Yeah, and we, and who else was with us? Was Bobby Kelly? No, it wasn't Bobby Kelly. It was Bobby Kelly? I mean, they haven't done a goddamn thing.

2:26:51 No. that sits on top of the cab you know i'm talking about the little billboard thing they have that In my car. We thought it was so funny. Yep. he likes wearing flash dance Yeah. Got to get back to fucking Beverly Hills, put up a fence and hide behind it. I mean, he's like a tucked in shirt guy. went on the the jimmy fallon show and the tonight show and and he went on as dan whitney it would

2:30:21 Wow. anti-gay like homophobic the comic strip in new york i've told this on so many radio shows but You know what I mean? all that crying and everything that he did, i guarantee you if he did that late night the comedy story would fucking crush oh yeah so like Is there a difference? But I mean, but there's also, television success like do you believe that like that doesn't happen no it doesn't happen that

2:34:18 Which, you know, you should be allowed to express yourself. You know what I mean? You're in an environment of this is what it is. what's taboo, what's okay. whether it's the style of comedy that people do Some song about school shootings. But it's talking about where this all comes from. What movie was that? The two dudes? And on that note, Big Jay Oakerson, thank you very much, brother.

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