Joe Rogan Experience #551 — Graham Hancock Transcript

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0:00 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! I saw your tweet, which showed a picture of... you spoke to me when I got back to England think his place is called float labs yeah technologies area before there Right, right. yeah i've met i mean i've spent a lot of time in africa i've never seen a collection like that it's to to do that at midnight on venice beach but we did it and and you know we go in there at certain

3:11 completely without without sensation totally by yourself for the first time in a way ever i mean But most of the time I was able to let go and it felt like I was weightless and I was floating, realms of the mind. It was a wonderful experience. And I felt much better about it the second And I've just seen Crash's African masks as well. I love having one.

5:50 Yeah. The crash ones, rather. it set up like the one that i have in my house i'm the only one who goes in it but if you it's excellent too but crash is like the leader of the pack. He's the master of the game. There was like the standard Samadhi tank, which is really great. and sometimes they would rot, and you had to get things replaced. And then secondly, he put these thick pond filters.

9:04 mean there's not there's you could open up one somewhere that has 50, and that sucker would be filled all day. We all need this experience. You do that every time. oh, what did I do? comfortable i can i can get relaxed with floating it's a normal thing to me so when you're on the All these things are all live, and they all depend on maintaining your sanity under sometimes pretty intense pressure.

11:37 the world in the worst possible light if you chose to just immerse yourself you know just watch the and the life looks beautiful. ever seen someone who's never been in any sort of a conflict type situation but they get thrown are moving the currents I did some snorkeling recently She had this the mask on and everything and she's like looking down and we've seen the dolphins swimming under us

14:08 This was a totally different experience. And that's the power of the mind. It's one of the things about fighters is that a fighter going into a fight you're scared where you perform so much better right right and then there's like when you're Choke. And, yeah, it's managing. jason saris does mixed martial arts he he does particularly brazilian jujitsu at a place called

17:26 brazilian jiu-jitsu what i see is two two people who are interlocked and they're they're sense through your next move or are you i don't know sometimes you're thinking but a lot of times you Yes. comparison to the the real drama of training and of of competing inside the gymnasium like because and trying to stay cool and trying to figure out what's the proper defense for this situation and how to turn this around and how to get back to a better spot.

20:41 There's no time for any other shit. And then when it's over, you just kind of feel very relaxed absolutely that's not normal for a body no the body is supposed to be moving while you're young And by draining the battery, you put more juice in the battery for the future. Yeah. can benefit from it. I mean, I'm 64 years old. level. i see huge good thing. Although we still do have war, of course, but it's done at a distance, largely.

24:40 on the mat in something like mixed martial arts. boat of strangers showed up it was very dangerous yeah a boat showed up and you're like holy shit That was just a part of being a human being for the longest time. I know, I know. so. I mean, combat I think that kind of Nothing's changed. about this on stage a lot lately, because there's a lot of these this is Duck Dynasty guy

28:37 Is that what the idea is? The apocalypse, the apocalypse, the end, the end. I lived in that failed state. I mean, that's what's argued about Iraq. And all you had to do was not get in the face of Saddam Hussein. This was a nomadic society, 70% nomadic. He introduced a written script for the Somali And that was the end of that argument. And suddenly women could divorce their husbands. And the society was very

31:31 very divided into tribal interests, It creates chaos. Absolute chaos absolute it's horrific and hell and it creates this intense violence amongst the people Obviously, we're only talking in objective reality terms here. going down in iraq and it's not the way it's gone down in southern part of somalia yeah i mean that And you can be sure that dictators' sons and daughters are all very well looked

34:12 Yeah, the arguments that the United States has funded ISIS I mean, they have been proven to be absolute crooks, thieves, and liars. and exposes all these things that a lot of people disagree with. Yeah, send that guy to Sweden, but they're not even saying that okay Yes. A mile out. where they're going to And that comes from the proven fact that our political leaders are actually liars.

37:19 because of the Internet? need to export him to the united states oh he released some information yeah which is our That's so anti what we think of as the United States. What we actually have in our society is the continual, truly believe and act as if it is a democracy but at the very top there's happening in a big way and it's very disturbing to the powers that be yeah people want like an instant change but it is almost instant the the the amount of time that we've actually spent

41:04 So, they have to shut down the whole fucking internet in some of these countries. They're not required at all. is perfect It's something. Yeah. As opposed to Twitter or a lot of message boards where you're getting trolls and a lot of assholes that are posting under fake names. Well, you're always going to get that if you're in the public eye. that energy into something productive instead of stalking graham hancock you know and fucking with

44:30 Always. I mean, you have to learn from this. I appreciate it. and all religious interests. It can be anybody anywhere who's taking an interest in you. And Somebody sends me a link to a story I haven't ever seen before. you know those retweets get seen by a large number of people so people see that i do that so they I don't think it's very big yet. Yeah.

48:35 in the whole human story. The people that are trying to suppress information in that way We know that now. Pandora's box is open. In every case, Pandora's box has been opened, and the immediate result has been that things share your idea? I mean, this is demonic. It it's a horrendous horrendous situation that this happens i followed a few guys on twitter that are a part of that whole islamic state there

51:50 and everyone was, you know, it was all, there was great intensity to all of the decisions And that's undeniable. innocent people who are so-called collateral damage yeah we're just ripped apart by by our And then what does we mean? If it's not you and it's not I, do we take responsibility for people we don't even know doing things that are under the orders of people we also don't know and under the influence of corporations?

54:39 first gulf war there was no drones this is i mean. This idea of precision attacks by automated Completely detached I also think that that conflict, the conflict of battling against the negative, builds up the positive in some strange way. which we call the war on drugs, you know, And they were found in 1945, and they contain a complete corpus of ideas of a people who call themselves the Gnostics.

57:31 And I think it's – we cannot say there are any facts in this area. this light within us and that the way to reveal that light is through knowledge. That's why the eat from that and if and and and and actually I would say this is true you we do need to we are I don't read it as a real serpent or a real apple. Now, I know that all the fundamentalist Christians out there are going to say Hancock is a devil

1:00:13 that a lot of things got lost along the way in the confusion. to how people translate ancient languages and then try to translate them several times, And that it's nothing in comparison to how different it was in ancient times. Christianity when Christianity pulled on the jackboot of Rome and became the like uh it was i don't remember the year but uh it was an adam and eve portrayal that showed

1:03:20 interesting that they are clearly indicating that the psychedelic experience is of crucial obscured from us, but recent research is showing, for example, the famous Eleusinian Mysteries in Greece. And growing on the barley that was used in the brew was a form of ergot, It's pretty obvious what's going on. interview when he was on CNN, and they were talking to him about death, and he said that LSD completely took away his fear of death.

1:06:14 need to take care of yourself can be can overwhelm your greater perspective the greater perspective That understanding is very difficult to realize with our normal conditioning, the normal alpha Or they can get there through meditation or they can get there through floating in a flotation tank. Waylon Jennings style country music. it's like a big part of what he's singing about

1:08:55 just sort of highlights that this is spreading I see it all the time when I go and speak at events, banned from ted you know but the whole ted thing has kind of been exposed as being this be together it's very cult like a cult yeah it's like scientology well it's also become you're talking about the emergence of consciousness in early man yeah okay no one knows how the fuck people got from hunting things to drawing on

1:11:53 sabina has a mushroom experience and that's the beginning of the mushroom story in the west but I've had a dozen DMT trips and mushroom trips. There was a lot of factors that came into play that made lower hominids human beings. Because you've had the experience. and he's never taken any drugs. And I'm like, well, that's so crazy. to have that experience. He said it's all been figured out, all the work's

1:14:44 with the experience. There what is one of the most intense and potentially most transformative experiences It's crazy. It's crazy that they're listening. is a scientist who worked at the Army Research Lab. that can break down the Empire State Building in 30 minutes. Yeah, like it's literally that little. And Hicks was a huge fan of McKenna leaving mushrooms

1:17:46 saying who the fuck is terence mckenna and so then i i don't it wasn't even a google back then Everybody's got to miss the mark on it. is very interesting and we find it positive and nurturing for us. people themselves and i say kudos to the american people for getting on and making that happen advantage of this. But at the And we're going to see all those barriers breaking down in the years to come. Yeah, I think you're right.

1:21:34 and it's like double your usable growing space. Wow. denver in a while the place has changed man it's like marijuana is a huge part of the culture now 39% of the profits go to taxes. just in Colorado. where they had to like put it in safe deposit boxes or they had to buy take the cash and then It was really dangerous and scary. to be told what to do

1:24:43 by what's happening in America. I was just... Now, it's three years have come since then, but I want to live in a society big pharma's money oh yeah all of them why am i not surprised well it's interesting that guys And the result for society as a whole will be very positive. wide-ranging addiction that's my favorite wide-ranging addiction and public health issues

1:28:10 Zohydro? and uh doctors are on the take to keep promoting that and to stop us exercising our free choice as Now, we have a painkiller. dangerous, dangerous thing. or watching a video, rather, pain so you then go and take more more painkillers these are highly highly addictive highly highly dangerous drugs yeah and state sanctioned and government's totally sanctioned

1:30:45 and he said there's a true addict speaking, and use it rarely at special times, then I think it would be okay but I'm I'm I'm a And I did. But I discovered I easily could live my life without it. Some people around cats. This motherfucker has 11 cats. And what works for one person doesn't work for another. Yeah, in England, That's the big untold story about antidepressants.

1:34:32 Your dick might fly across the room like a mockingbird. Well, it's also the idea of commercials. by independent people that tell you this vacuum cleaner is great, this vacuum cleaner sucks, And it was about this It's horrible. that could use antidepressants They have an imbalance. field of wheat and spinning around with her baby and then someone says i want to live like that

1:37:02 help with mood. have these amazing bodies, and we should just celebrate every minute of it. just the altering of a perspective could enhance your mood and it could enhance the way your body That's why they work better than the prescription drugs that they're being tested against. I'm going to be better. And that is enhanced uninitiated and that haven't

1:40:10 It's about this whole issue with cannabis in an abusive way too that like there's a balance to be achieved yeah there's a And I've had to deny myself that sensual ally for the last three years because I abused it. Why not? No, that's not bad. Yeah. That's some American shit too. That's not that crap you get in England. That's some American shit, too.

1:42:21 Yeah. me on top of that can we see that this on top of that. Can we see that? Unfortunately, this is a PowerPoint demonstration. and that this place is right on the Syrian border, Temple of Jupiter? 840 tons. 840 tons. I think, and many researchers who've studied them in this field agree with me on this, that actually the Romans found a much more ancient site, which was just extraordinarily megalithic, gigantic stones, and they built their temple on top of it.

1:44:43 These stones stood in the quarry, okay? Like, it's two pounds. What? Those are the 840-ton blocks in in the walls in the foundation of the temple then we go to the quarry and we find they couldn't move them, so they left them in the quarry. in the quarry suggests to me that they were buried when the Romans came to that site because 1,200 tons. So you're looking at 500 family-sized cars in a thousand ton block a thousand tons oh my god it's just imagining

1:48:17 been just roughly levered into place. They've been set down with perfect precision. I feel so lucky to have the opportunity to do this. they have certain holes drilled in them to align up with particular areas of the sky. summer solstice today, in two or three or five thousand years' time, that point on the horizon That's the changing tilt of the Earth's axis.

1:50:45 change. That's amazing. then actually you have a way free of all language And if I wanted to play devil's advocate, I would say, well, these holes, they're pointing robert robert boval um in particular in his book the orion mystery you you take the three great pyramids of Giza and you look at the heavens overhead and you also That's the first thing.

1:53:35 Temptingly similar, but there's something else. you can drop a cannonball in at the outside entrance to those shafts, And what Robert was really the first to show, That's the north-south line that divides the sky above our heads. And once you understand precession, you understand that these alignments will change. at the moment it crosses the meridian,

1:56:23 Wasn't it also the same time where the Sphinx was pointing towards the constellation Leo? tracks back and forth along the horizon during the solar year it reaches its most northernmost point It's a group of constellations that by chance the sun passes through during the course of the year. Before that, it was the constellation of Aries, the ram. Rams were incredibly important in the

1:58:43 As above, so below. Just when they're very happy saying that, you have to date organic materials. The carbon dating of organic materials found with those I mean, we all have egos. How can I be a pseudoscientist? and more mysterious We're sorry, dude. I guess we may be running out of time, but I'll just say, are we good? done by archaeologists. A little bit of trenching down to about half a meter in depth was done,

2:02:21 And he starts to look at it as a geologist. made pyramid here, it produces dates that go back as much as 26,000 years, right into the last ice age. But Danny took it to the highest level. And again, I can't summon up a map magically, but if I were to do so, consider Indonesia, which is a long string of islands today. i i don't know when things are fascinating i can't come up with any it's you know me it's my way of

2:05:04 in a new book, a little more humble, archaeologists in the 1950s really and they ignored it decide not to look at it because it's so finally They have? they decide that in that particular area, So suddenly, yes. That's so bizarre. We the experts. You'd be like, what are you talking about? control. He's a big front man for Egypt. I mean, I'm trying to.

2:08:53 What was his impression of it? Like, I love the ones they find in Mexico be done now. The place has been so tightly controlled. I don't think people are even I don't know. And there's an altar. In the cenotes? But you got to be willing to swim underwater with scuba gear in a dark tunnel for a long time yes You know, because... you're a mile in a hundred feet deep and blind oh fuck

2:12:21 my courage of the warrior in a way so um this, how many novels have you written now? There was a big support and take up from your audience, which I'm extremely grateful for. Little did I know that nearly 5,000 people post office, we're spending thousands of pounds on postage. But it's going to be a bit different. and I'm going to be on the road until the 27th of October,

2:15:02 And I really need to start that during November because my research travels will be over at that point. I've got to write that and I can't a novelist at the age of 64. But you seem to be really enjoying it. I love it. I love writing What's your fascination with supernatural influences and the concept of demons? For a long time, I didn't believe in any spiritual element to life.

2:17:27 And they very clearly indicate that dark forces are at work in the universe which can mislead It's just that's all there is. Now, in that reality are spiritual forces, some of which seem to eat fear and energy and dark energy. effect on me. And I'm not adamant about this. I accept I could be fantasizing it all. It's like a neurological standpoint like has anybody ever explained to you like what's going on there isn't a compelling argument they don't know there isn't

2:21:25 visions, you can measure, you can observe those changes on an MRI scanner. Those changes in brain So the compelling argument as far as what's happening Rick Strassman does entertain the possibility that what is going on is not merely in and of our brains but does represent stable freestanding dimensions of reality. The real problem is when someone who hasn an experience tries to define it. And it's like, man, you can come up with a bunch of really compelling arguments from a medical standpoint.

2:23:49 Many times, given this very simple analogy of the telescope, inside the barrel of the telescope those physical changes have simply allowed you to see the star. I never thought about it that way, I don't think. The idea of a telescope having to focus in to see something. I never thought about it that way before. to put it down without having had academic to speak positively of psychedelics.

2:26:41 Yeah, the argument is stupid. of the reason for that is the world we've created where these are illegal and where There's a real good argument against that. But there also is a kind of vaccination mafia at work because they're the ultimate mass medication. very much like psychedelics, or what have you, bad Yeah, he goes, we lost a moron. properties of cannabis this isn't even talking to someone who was addicted to cannabis and you

2:30:16 And there are people who are on the wrong side of history on this. every day. 7 days a week. I had a long relationship with it, and I understand how. But since I was smoking all day long, that's why it was there. And I feel probably in the long run my right choice would not to have a big relationship with cannabis. But it has a pretty profound effect in a lot of ways.

2:31:59 When you're high. Yeah. If you go like if you go to Santa Monica and you go over by where that pier is and you but you might as well have gone to another planet. But there was a storm that day. The sea for me is a goddess. We stayed down for about 20, 25 minutes. Yeah, and it was bad. he saw a woman drowning and he went out to save her. It happens often.

2:35:08 That's a terrifying thing. Puts everything in perspective. It's an overwhelming The rest of the world Semi-static image You're looking out out this black monster and sometimes when it's this black monster that came off the North American ice cap wasn't just caused by what I used to think it was and a friend of Randall's who's worked with him for many years called Bradley.

2:37:54 Good Lord. Yeah. Can you fake a southern accent? What are you, Doctor Who? Whoa. But so similar. i'm sure you've seen this most recent discovery about micro diamonds. scattered in a huge swathe all over the world, that we've only remembered in myth and memory. And then the new one is this microdiamonds. the gigantic cloud of dust that's thrown up into the upper atmosphere.

2:41:14 where the earth gets incredibly cold, up again, and everything we know can be essentially shut back down to zero with some rocks from the sky and then that that's the same sort of cataclysm that show up on those NASA photographs, You'd have all these fucking people from the Amazon But we shouldn't be arrogant or complacent about it. boy, what a magical time it must have been

2:44:46 It's incredible. incredibly in your face with its most obvious results and meaningless possible explanation. very small fraction indeed uh to explore an alternative exploring alternative ideas because every now and if they do come out right they change everything in the way that the mundane consideration like you've done or especially like what Randall Carlson's

2:47:20 you know so crazy that the like if they could come back from from the past and if to turn stone into foam. power of your mind Because I am a big novelist. road continuously until the 27th. And you're like, what the fuck am I doing? I didn't know. That's what I tried to do in Fingerprints was to, you know, to bring together people like John Anthony West who brought Robert Shock to the Sphinx.

2:50:05 we're going to find finding in the Amazon this is a building, guys. it's counting down how much time give me less than a minute less than a minute all right thank you Go to GrahamHancock.com. We're good?