Joe Rogan Experience #553 — Thaddeus Russell Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. It's like you don't want to talk too much because there's so much to say on the air. We don't want to go to Syria. but if you wanted to you would say well this is obviously they've come up with a mechanism to get a vacuum in Iraq, right, by going to war there, by removing the dictator who was at least holding So it's just, it creates this situation where sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy,

3:26 And it seems like if you look at the entire situation in the Middle East, the the carpet bombing of not just vietnam but several countries during that war happening in the Middle East for many, many years. David Petraeus, of all people, said before the It's perpetual. The only good that came out of it was getting Saddam Hussein out, getting rid of his psychopathic sons.

7:06 hey, look what those Westerners did to us. They decimated this country. They shamed us. They It seems like it's a perpetual cycle then. in our image, right? I mean, that's been So I have an answer for that. is you'll see these big apartment buildings, Middle East and And Pakistan, in particular, The Middle East You and I? I got my PhD there in American history and sort of found that like historians in general,

11:54 studying sort of economics and you should be studying foreign policy. And what I found was, this, we're this very weird schizophrenic culture, right? There's this conflict between the two. And what I found was that people who a lot, and we can talk about this, this is a big part of my book, a lot, those people were extremely conservative culturally, extremely conservative culturally,

14:09 I started looking at American history through that lens. I started looking at American history just the founding fathers and the generals and the inventors, but it was people like abolitionists Does that become an issue with ego? Because I find that anytime when you get one person Gross. right um and the second thing is and this is what this is the real problem i think in higher

17:32 the answer they give you is, we're smarter. and a lot of people forget this, you know, higher education in this country is only about two centuries old and as a major mass institution. I mean, the right wing conservatives The only place they found that they could go and have a job was colleges as professors. And influence the youth. and it's very disempowering.

20:21 the guy yes gets expelled yes gets expelled for sexual assault. Even though the guy had also been drinking. please i think it's an important one though because it's confusing as hell okay boy okay maybe some students, asking, you know, adjudicating this case. histories. So you have English professors asking 19 year olds, how many So that's basically what happened in this case.

23:36 the things that's that's been infuriating for a lot of people and a lot of feminists by the way right okay so you know about this right so right now if you were to leave it at that right say that is the sole answer to this problem you know tell women not to get drunk at the frat house on friday drunk at the frat house sure yeah right it's not good for you and bad things and people fall off of roofs at frat houses and die from it

25:58 You're going to tell those guys, those serial rapists, most of them are serial rapists, that they're bad and they shouldn't rape? rape and they're embarrassed and ashamed and we do have well we do have uh the bureau of justice a department of Right. And my issue is that the people that are crying out for this, especially the men, they're so it's so suspect.

27:51 do you remember that video that came out uh dear women it was one of the most horrific videos ever So talking to men, talking to those serial rapists about how bad they are and how bad this is, what exactly is that going to accomplish? A and B, it's putting it's putting the responsibility on men and it's saying women must be saved, which is like, right, that is the soul of conservatism.

29:30 but then there's blackout drunk which is right sure and somewhere along the line it becomes they don't even put a um a sort of a threshold on how many drinks it takes so i'm you know must come in or the college administration must protect women from these from sex well from demons even if it's consensual and you're conscious and you're awake but it's also deeply conservative.

32:03 There were kids that liked each other. is a bubble yeah i agree it's i mean it's i think it's mostly hysteria um however look you know we agree you know rape happens acquaintance rape happens Yeah. It's a tough question. My mother in the 1960s, that was one of the things she did as a feminist in Berkeley. She pushed hard. She protested against the police force in the Bay Area, police forces in the Bay Area to take rape seriously, which

34:37 Now that's not the ultimate answer. a very strict dogma yeah i mean you this is non-consensual because she can't consent because What is that? If you're driving under the influence, you are absolutely, totally responsible. that there's this belief that you know if i had sex that i didn't really feel good about with my intimate but well the good analogy is massage because massage feels good no one wants to do

37:52 This is exploiting our bodies. You're judging me. Yeah, man. yeah sure well her her her take on it is you know completely open-minded she's like why why is it bad like porn stars ask ask a porn star if you know anything about the porn industry porn stars that's thing that happens too where the people that you communicate with after the fact can tell you what

40:34 to get fired um one of the things that happens and it happened in this case from what we can tell We know pretty sure, we're pretty sure that a particular professor there not only convinced her that it was rape, but also did a demographic profiling of the guy and said, well, he belongs to these particular demographic groups who are likely to be rapists.

41:38 And that he was a valedictorian. reported that if you look at their website you can see you can see that yeah that's terrifying a good family oh there it is because he was from a good family. There it is because he was from a good family That person's a terrible person. yeah i think the legal definition is pretty good you know it's the it's the use of force or the

44:22 That is so fucking crazy yeah and it's but one of the and also you know I mean, so you've got to be really disciplined about your definition of sexual assault and rape. You know, and in all sorts of ways. When you ask people, like I've talked to friends about scenarios that I was involved in, and they'll give you a take on it, and go and i'll go no you didn't do that mike did

46:24 But it's really good. Like memory is dog shit but it's really happen right in front of us right now and have a different interpretation of what happened. So to mute or neuter men in this way, your privilege that is oh boy happens all the time um so i um however it's been shown that men Which, you know, and a lot of my work is on this. that was necessary to save those kids from that guy. And just so just so happens, historically,

50:09 Yeah. It's debatable, but a hell of a lot. He said, we have to destroy the village in order to save it, right? We've got to talk about Ludacris. Okay. And because this young man had a lot going from a good family and a valedictorian. Yeah, I think it's this. so that you become the knight, the white knight. Incredibly sexist. Excuse me, I don't think so. Oh, yeah you know, I think there's... You said that just like a chick, by the way. Did I? Excuse me, I don't think so.

53:01 Which has to do with ludicrous. And what was the argument you made? that hey there delilah song yeah yeah which was not even apparently about a girl that this guy There's depth in being somber. He's a human being. and his celebration of rims yeah and barbecues and asses right um i mean this is this is my work or you know the professor right um and they are the good puritans right they invented the shit

56:23 matter what you get for it you don't get if you don't get paid at all if you don't make anything out of it and rock and roll is that just a coincidence a lot of stand-up comedy too and comedy right so I mean, he's hanging around with a lot of beat poets, Red Fox, I think, was the same time, and I think before him as well. right you know um um why right so here's so here's why blacks have and you know so it's

58:35 And taking drugs, you know, and like making light of that. and Richard Pryor and they're like what it's true though it's absolutely true it's like that sums it up right and so um but so slavery okay all right can we do were full of this shit about how sex was terrible and would kill you and cause paralysis and all All these devices. right? You can't let it get out of hand beyond that.

1:02:10 No one can answer. I'm not sure that's – I mean, that's a decent explanation. Okay. culture if you're a white person um leisure was bad it was all bad so that's how that's where It just, as a good thing. You know, it was a beautiful thing to them moving it in sensual ways dancing and everywhere, citizenship is also a cultural thing, right? You're considered a good American if you

1:05:40 what he wants for a moment. He goes out of the structure and is free. He's liberated Remember that? slang right we all do all the time even professor even like fucking bob costas uses it now like bob know and now it's like that's great um yeah so from the beginning, I call them America's original renegades. think of is the hub of innovation the hub of artistic expression and creativity and entertainment

1:08:31 where the fuck would from old blues songs That's what we're doing. All of it. Yeah. yeah, primer review i mean it's so it's it's slave music right which has been called various things Damn it. Seriously. people away, they don't know this. Most people don't know this. When all three of those groups they could give a fuck about working except how much it, you know, got them in terms of wages.

1:12:12 I mean, Irish Americans for the last hundred or so years have kind of been, unfortunately, the leaders in many ways of white American racism. and the Civil War to prove that they were good So there were these big anti-black riots called the New York City Draft Riots in 1863, which was just this huge pogrom lynching, mass lynching of blacks in the streets of New York City.

1:13:39 Yeah, it was ugly. an anti-black mass lynching because they were blaming these guys for this war There was a lot of theory among social scientists and so-called scientists that the Irish were actually apes. believed that they were actually get this below african americans that they were actually I mean, they weren't compared too often to them. No, That is insane.

1:15:51 still are apes is what they're saying so then so but then they go through this they go through this the middle europeans that were okay and then there were the southern europeans who sucked and who politicians and generals and they hated blacks and they were living out apart from blacks and There was a prominent social scientist named Arthur Abernathy who wrote a book, which was very typical of the time in 1906, I believe.

1:18:18 They sort of co-founded jazz in many ways. have written about this Jewss dominated dominated two sports I think it's actually cultural. here's the funniest thing Wow, that's interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, right. too but but many historians have said well if so to if you're if you're gonna to death, then you have zero labor, right? So there's, masters are always trying to strike

1:21:52 you know, so no, mean no no i know that but i mean if you look at comparison to africa if you look at all of new york yeah so he's argued this and he's a black Canadian and he's actually said in the New Yorker, which was amazing. Well, yeah, I mean, because you could be 6'5", 280 and ripped and still suck at basketball, right? Oh, definitely have been Karl Malones.

1:24:15 That's true. Right. I know, but there were more, the lower weight classes, there were more Jewish champions Wow. Yeah, no. Yeah. Yeah. No champions. Right. Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. So, no. No, definitely not. No champions. genetically superior in athletics? But Provodnikov is sort of my, he actually, I think he serves my argument better because he's not that talented.

1:27:12 Compared to... He just fucking hits really hard too. you can't earn. punch a bag and you just go Jesus Christ and you know what it's like it's like Pretty much. I would think so, but, well, it is in some ways. Yeah, Tyson had short arms, advantage of yeah tyson had short a lot of the power comes from like if you look at pacquiao's legs pacquiao has enormous legs but again it's the it's the mechanics of it you could be just that big

1:30:09 He looks like he's very small. But yeah, I guess, Geometry, body geometry. Right. You can't necessarily, you can't look at a guy and predict it, right? His brother doesn't even fight. than anybody else in the division it's just one of those weird things like why does why can he do But there you can be white. That's the birth of, I mean, you want to talk culture. That's an incredible cultural melting mean, the real MMA started. That's the birth of, I mean, that's, you know, you want to talk culture.

1:33:12 martial arts that is the one the most important family right but why but why did it take off and started the ultimate fighting championship which was started by a brazilian jiu-jitsu family there's no ultimate fighting championship and mixed martial arts is set back fucking a thousand Why did that particular thing, that sport, become this international phenomenon?

1:35:41 takes him down like it's nothing and just dominates him. Like a joke. Do you think that's not just genetic, just a male thing? So, Well, Well, industrial complex which has sort of infiltrated the entire world with military bases i mean that Sure. that we're all born in a society that watches i mean how many fucking war movies have there been Tarantino?

1:38:18 The Marky Mark movie. you can't get over that. Yeah. But he's Marky Mark. But the idea being that we have a very warlike World War II. America has probably killed more people than anyone else. What about Genghis Khan? Oh, God, there's no way he killed that many people 11% of the population and starvation. They had gotten there after the Mongols had already invaded.

1:41:26 that the carbon footprint of Earth He wins in a big way And no, you know, fighter jets. it's we know so much less than we do about the 20th century right right yeah 12 20 you know what like that was the the muslim people the the islamic people were the head, the front of the line when it came to science and philosophy. Yeah. Ah. very masculine right they wronged us so we gotta go fucking avenge ourselves i mean i do think

1:44:30 need to go out and make people be like us. And I think that drives actually a lot more foreign uh south africa was all about you know it was about taking the goods down there the diamonds Not all of them. We need to have more Marines, more Army soldiers, the whole nine yards. You know, I think a lot of people, both in Congress and sort of in the public generally, have been less and less interested in war for a lot of good reasons.

1:47:12 definitely wishy for them yeah is that because he's like seen what's happened to his dad i think for drugs really yeah she's but she's certainly never said anything otherwise um and every time powerful defensive military right that's not what we've ever had we've never had a defensive II, I mean, the U.S. military has never been used truly in defense of us. And that's what people

1:50:28 It's called Pax Americana, the American peace. dominance and they said peace and one of the scariest things about that document is that in it and everyone should look at this it says this is in 2000 it says we can't convince congress or It served their purposes. capitalized on something doesn't mean they planned it it's just it's much more likely they saw an

1:53:18 justification the rationale for a massive ramping up of the u.s military and the state surveillance You don't know what Operation Northwoods is? And that was going to get us – it was vetoed by Kennedy. That was kind of the peak of that, you know, blowing up Castro's cigars and all that shit. I mean, and I'm sure right as we speak in the Pentagon, someone's coming up with some secret plan to do something bad to somebody.

1:55:28 would you cause a false flag when you could just leave a bunch of weapons lying around a bunch of yeah out now that's yeah tomorrow today you know i mean and that's and let everybody over there just and as our ability to kill people easier and quicker improves, this from happening but as technology gets better it's it's almost easier for people to cause mass

1:57:58 hand yeah but all of that shit was created by u.s policy osama bin laden was trained by the cia Yeah. We got to be there. The Kurds have an army. I've never seen an estimate more than 30,000. streaming the Simpsons through its satellite dishes. Well, yeah. makes sense to me what a weird strategy well no to get the u.s short-sighted is it possible that

2:01:13 I mean, the only thing that would cause me to do that is if someone dropped a fucking bomb on my family. That's a fascinating endgame. And then when we invaded Iraq, after Iraq invaded Kuwait, I think I was probably 21. That's my point. Or do what we're doing and ensure perpetual war. No, definitely. And is she the only one? They had this whole section on whistleblowers about helping whistleblowers alert the American people to crime and to things that are going on that are unconstitutional.

2:05:17 Or is that how he was all along? I think it's who he was all along. military budget, increasing the number of Marines and army soldiers. It was about not repealing the Because he's articulate as opposed to Bush, because he's well-educated, because he's black. it was run when alexander the great was around right it's really not that much different it's

2:07:45 Restoring America's Leadership, 2007 Foreign Affairs article. they guard their data you're still dealing with human beings and young human beings by the way So they have all these cameras everywhere and all these cities, you know, New York City and London. webcams um on our computers i got tape on mine bitch right yeah good good move i just want to

2:09:46 Yeah, right. Cohen, Andy Cohen? Mm-hmm. Did you pull it up? It's beautiful. Like the sky. the sky I commit to owning this car ding a masculinity that honors and celebrates us as equals I know it's Throughout history, men have raped and abused. Yes. That this guy fucking, that guy reacted to it in a very negative way. He was saying. and you don't want to fuck them don't trust them because if you don't want to fuck them chances are

2:13:37 I want to put him on a fucking, give him a rifle, make him hike up to the top of the Yeah, everyone's just like, what the fuck? then they see this and they say i'm going to separate myself from that i'm going to be the sex is bad oh yeah and sex is not bad and right no one is trying to stop gay porn here's the thing desire in pornography little dicks There's no little dick porn.

2:16:19 To look at that, yeah. video with a terrifying video of these guys and i believe they were in norway or one of those And he's like, are you radical?'re not radical you're just Muslims and he's like laughing at it thinking that I mean the He's talking about women being able to vote. They found themselves just that They found people like them. They put this video, and they took this video and put it online.

2:18:39 Do you think he wants to kill them? And he has sort of backed down from that. That's clear. interesting thing like you're allowed to mock scient, you're allowed to mock Scientology. Right. No doubt about it. I'm looking at it in the terms of why is it acceptable to stand up for one there yeah or do you say listen be crazy over there? Yeah. And so you feel like these.

2:22:42 Those reporters. We're bombing them right now as we speak. What's the way that this can be fixed? Whereas Hillary Clinton. Whoa. I remember when Joe Biden, we used to do Joe Biden night at a comedy club because Joe Biden and uh they said oh you know he has speech writers he didn't even know but i mean they know like that's a big skeleton in his closet like look dude you could be vice president no one's

2:25:35 And seems healthy. Well, there's no doubt. I'm Team Ford, man. yeah the double standard. Look, everyone's talking about being intoxicated and intoxication leading to rape. Of course. I mean, all of the psychedelics, and marijuana is not thought of as a psychedelic, but I think it's very much psychedelic. money so i'm for total decriminalization legalization tomorrow of all drugs period

2:28:37 right he's what you got all these guys who were like long-haired and they're they're high and proposition for that reason, because they saw it forcing them out and handing the reins over to the State regulation often leads to the creation of monopolies, right, because it makes it difficult to enter an industry, right? Because it makes it difficult to enter an industry, right? If it's something, if an industry is heavily regulated, you have to meet all these criteria to enter it as a legitimate

2:30:08 let us grow it and smoke it. the quick one word answer to that is portugal with it at all so if you but anyway so in in portugal a great study was done by glenn glenn People want to do things that are forbidden. murder than they've ever had before. They have lower rates of violent crimes than they had in a decade. I mean, it does make everybody more peaceful, but it's pretty fucking good at it.

2:32:45 And that's why I would say that legalization of all drugs would probably be better. which we have privatized prisons. Like, we're better like it's he gets on his motorcycle in the rain you know it's like this drives off a cliff There you go. too yeah bitch was a freak i say bitch with all due respect it's a nice person yeah sure yeah i She was so crazy.

2:36:24 It's not just Catholics, right? Selling cars. Yeah. And, you know, he was living high on the hog he had like a fat mercedes lived Fucking stealing people's credit card numbers. A lot, apparently. They're going to stumble out of that fucking place and you're faced with all these contradictions pissed off i yeah i've been talking to some friends about this it's like you know um socrates said that the unexamined life is not worth living and actually i'm beginning to think that it's too

2:39:45 there's a certain there's a certain gauntlet they all we all have to sort of run to live our lives world and talk about it and talk about it and get and most of it is negative right it's not like oh it's He walked up to the cops and he said, shoot me, shoot me. difficult to overcome momentum and the momentum of a terrible neighborhood a crime-ridden

2:42:03 I just, I, when I saw that video, I was like, okay was like okay i'm giving up politics i'm just i can't do this And like the idea of locking people up for drugs, that's the problem that's the conundrum that's exactly right yeah so sometimes i just want to But until then, yeah, six days a week. And I just did a flying knee. that's what happened but yeah no i was like i wish i could just do this. Really? Oh, yeah. But as an intellectual, though, aren't you aware of the negative impact of concussions?

2:44:36 But you spar. Like, I'm 40 fucking nine, and I'm, like, going in there, and they want me to fight. Just, like, so they can get press? whatever so you're training and they're like listen take this to the next place yeah joe's But he's the reason why I became a stand-up comedian, So they would cut you open like a big line on the side. a better doctor yeah that's what i needed doctor, but a doctor that deals with athletes. A better doctor.

2:46:58 Depending upon how much of a partial tear. coming at my face right or even if i'm just working on the bag it's all it's just beautiful Yeah. Changed my last name to Fairtex or whatever. and then i just got really into it when i I started at the yard, it was like, that's all I wanted to do. Yeah. It's one of the main reasons that I got into stand-up comedy.

2:49:01 For a guy who didn't graduate college, I mean, I'm fairly fairly articulate um but i definitely been hitting the head a lot yeah you know but it was Yeah. When I was doing it, it was the late 80s. water skiing he's like no doubt about it he's like the pituitary gland is very sensitive and Traumatic brain injury is no fucking joke. Okay. I would be a real piece of shit if I denied it.

2:51:34 Yeah. He's not going to be the same. to recover like just just get that in your head now you want to keep going you're not fighting get hit in the head in kickboxing matches, Yeah, I love that dude. You know, Elio Gracie was doing it in his fucking 80s. No head injuries. Guys do it all the time. Dude, thank you very much for doing this, man. Renegade History

2:54:21 God damn it. He does like black, like slave dialect in a Shakespearean. Buy that and buy the book. It was very enjoyable.