Joe Rogan Experience #554 — W. Kamau Bell Transcript

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0:00 the Joe Rogan experience But no, it's just a... But somehow it I'm really bad with I'm really hard on everything as my wife will attest and oh Yeah, man. And not that it's any worse than regular society, but they've had it. because I had to go get one, on his genital area. and there's also discipline and we all, that line is changing. Like I said not trying to testify in a court of law, but I heard that it was like, I mean, there's certainly there's abuse and there's and there's also discipline.

3:20 Yeah, that's a good point. And then eventually they lose the accents they're allowed to integrate into the rest of the city. the slaves of the slaves did yeah i mean this is one of the most unique things about america is the thing of beating his kids how much of the way human beings live our lives is slap my kid in the nuts you know what i mean like? Like, it's just, I'm going to talk to him, you know?

6:24 And everybody would laugh. Yeah. Yes ma'am. I got beat I just thought like, I'm sorry, what? Yeah, it came out great. It's not. Yeah. I mean, if we didn't learn from the fucked up shit that our parents and grandparents did to us, somebody who grew up with Ray Rice, who maybe like that now? He's kind of fucked. than Mike Tyson was That is true. for 18 months.

10:35 The things that happened a decade ago. The guy was going done what have you done lady are you really shitting on tiger ones the greatest golfers But he can't, there's no thing to do. out of this i just gotta sit in my juices for a while and hope it passes well also i don't think before your brain full grown. I understand why But then you can't, you know, he got caught.

13:17 I mean, Muhammad Ali screaming, I'm the greatest of all time. I try to. I'm that guy. Just like nigger's not always a slur for black people. you know wow yeah they got you i don't but they maybe already had me what my entire point was going to be that's my that's my goal yeah i've got just like a you know Yeah. Why? Yeah, he had like a 10-year run where it was just like,

16:36 win he was in the top 10 you know yeah and then all of a sudden that went away he because amazing Back problems and knee problems and stuff. Pool players lift weights? And you can maintain your concentration. Absolutely. anything just like would eat his food and just no tension at all he wanted his arms to be delicate Yeah. can we get money to go in his general direction can we sign him up for this is he a lead yes

19:56 and move it to FXXXXX, it got more attention from it being gone and then all of a sudden So whenever you say And what you did, I thought that was really unique, is you tackled some pretty interesting Yeah. sort of rebelling against that format and trying to make it just a show that i would want to watch thing that were coming out of my mouth and my idea nobody people could say what you should do this

22:42 well I don't really want to do that, I asked the guest he wants to do it where you're like a Jon Stewart type dude where you're you get to decide what but those afternoon shows that you see like Even know evening magazine like those things from like the 80s yeah yeah yeah it's like we went to the floor screaming about the events of the day and i get they get there and be like, whoa, whoa, whoa!

24:42 And I'm not in any way insulting mad about you, but I'm saying if you're like i'll insult it okay that's why i just don't shit's bad for talk about, well, how are we going to get to the coffee shop Not only a guy that's a polar opposite of the 90s, a current guy, but a progressive Right. that you don't really see too much responded to the best in addition to the the debates we did uh but like when i would go on

26:44 funny one of my friends. then I feel like, oh, I've got some research. I'm like, why doesn't he just do this fucking show on the internet where he could be himself 100%? And it seems like you carry that onto the internet smoothly and it would just take off like wildfire well that right now i was there's a lot of things Do we stay here? Are we going to raise a kid?

28:46 I feel like if you're from there, born and raised, you can do it. it's an area where people move there to be curious. They also go, this is a $4 million house? We can't. The entire city could be high-end real estate. Oh, that's the way you said that. I was seven. Any of the concerts or any of the movies or any of the food of New York, right? it is it's not about kindness and love

31:44 who like milton black is the thing and they sort of ignore like the like the gay right side of it I've never seen a brawl in a hot tub All right, today's top story. So he woke up in the hot tub, methed out, doing pills, Muskegon hot tub brawl leads to arrest, assault charge. Everything's out there. It'll be the next UFC hot tub brawling. Hot tub brawling.

34:10 so gay community yeah yeah yeah Otherwise, they'd stop selling it. No. because we don't want to cause a problem in America. it was a billboard that said, like oh some guy is fucking him in the ass so he's waking up yeah in the middle of like the attention. I haven't done crystal if not the smartest, that if you, where did these people come from? You know what I mean? Tourists. Tourists, but there's also just a can also walk into a San Francisco club and be like, where did these people come from?

36:40 This dude's a plumber. Concentrated wealth makes it damn near impossible because the first not the first way but when I moved to San Francisco in the 90s But that the money is so concentrated concentrated that and they're now being sneaky But yeah, there's the Google bus in San Francisco. And so then suddenly neighborhoods that, like it would have been a poor neighborhood or

39:11 San Francisco's wealth, for people who don't know, is in this weird, stupid category that doesn't even make any sense. It's a fucking normal. It's their concentrated wealth artificially inflates the values of everything around it That's insane. line you know so yeah then it has completely it's it's it's it sucks but there's no you it's But it's also a thing where you shouldn't make it easier on those people and harder on the people who actually

41:49 Yeah. And I think about that, and there's no way anywhere in the Bay Area that she could ever – It's an interesting sort of environment. Is he selling it? It's like, no, you guys have about 12 dudes. There was rarely a time where I had a problem with any of them. have mental issues. It wasn't just when he was governor, when he was president. but let's try to figure out what,

45:03 what a transition. White people need therapy, too. I'm married to one of you people, so I can say that. You know, one thing about concussions is it creates And I feel like, yeah, that's true, but they still have to be human beings outside of that. something that's not addressed It's hard to be a functional member of a calm, staid, normal society on top of doing that at the same time.

47:36 You don't have to go to class. Yeah, that's a big issue, man. Everybody shut the fuck up. Like it tweaked my head in a way that I certainly was not, It doesn't hurt him if you if he talks you into doing this wacky idea and you like this wacky idea sucks No, no, no, listen. We talked this through just give it a shot. Come on stupid thing that made he feel stupid nobody ever could even you didn't see it

50:13 but late night shows have become, And that becomes a great way to get people aware of the show. was their hero and Carson was their hero I didn't grow up that way I grew up with everybody. man, I'm not going You can't say twink. Well, okay, I'll pull back on that one. Well, it's, it's again, it's everybody seeing everybody's shit it used to be The thing I like to do

52:47 Do you want to do it again? But not from calling them, not from yelling at them but from taking like their energy and sort of Yeah, now they know your strategy. It's an amazing thing that no one was prepared for. I feel like that's two different groups of people. a way where you're defending your position that that conversation gets like a perfect one a perfect

55:07 Not only that, there's a giant spectrum of what intoxication is. drinks and fuck some guy because you know women that they want to have a couple of drinks and fuck some guy. Exactly. Situation of people drugging people and getting people drunk and having sex them which is disgusting We need to talk about rape! That people don't hear you when you say, I'd like to talk about racism in America and just

57:18 like you said the pendulum has to be pushed that far to get it back to the middle yeah no doubt and i well i don't knitting for justice or whatever and Sometimes that tantrum is inventing rock and roll. nobody is that's not a sexy issue nobody's like you know that's not but they got the word out and Yeah. It was like, I'm just going to climb the fence and run and get to the door.

59:50 And why is that happening? A guy broke into the White House and got on the White house along when the bush uh when bush was president as well playing Yeah, well, they'd have to be on point 24-7 looking out for any... Yeah. Like, that shit is not outside the realm of possibility if everything goes horribly wrong. was that in that video that they released there's the one shot of like a cell phone video of somebody driving past the White House and shooting a video of the White House, which everybody can do.

1:02:13 Exactly. Wow. It's coming at us. Oh my God, the dogs are eating me. Right. The mob is not running the White House anymore. They'd have a conversation with him first. And also, there's no, I mean, besides September 11th, there's no notable attacks on America in America. you know, corruption, what have you, and people Some potatoes on standby. Depends.

1:05:26 when they're and that thing they he wasn't even doing things or necessarily he wasn't killing anywhere. And I know that Americans have Isn't that the goal of being an American? Being allowed to be as soft as baby shit isn't that the why we why people understand it as i was taught in uh in uh high school american history class when they wrote it You know what I mean?

1:07:59 Yeah. And I'm not, and I say this as somebody who's not, I'm not an atheist. Are you Christian? And so – and certainly I will retreat to – I like to think that – it makes me feel comforted to go, thanks, God. So it's like herpes that you don't need to take Valterx for. In the same way that some people, their God is, you know, Game of Thrones. went in there it's it's for real like people this is like people's lives well it's isn't it because

1:10:43 We're allowed to hang the lights and do all the shit that and it's just fun but and I, but you're not. I'm not religious. No, no, I know. We're pretty sure that what this is is god's work criticism it's just there are things that people put in their life like i don't believe in god and in a lot of ways. I feel like your religion just we you have that life this is how i live my life and this is how i want to live my life

1:14:11 Got you dog. I don't I don't expect to see the guy. Yeah, I see what you're saying I can't disprove it either. but i don't care i don't need to know do you understand what i'm saying i trust that there's like sort of i mean a friend of my time he's kind of like a surrogate dad like denzel washington I used to visit him in the summer. that that can be empowering if you want to be like denzel washington yeah no yes yeah you want to get

1:17:13 I never thought too much about racism in movies or thought about black people being represented And so what do you want to do? And the closest movie theater was in this all black neighborhood in Philly. When I was in that movie theater, I was acutely aware, first of all, that we were the only white people in there. goofy ass movie about playing a babysitter where he brings the kids and talks to this black doorman

1:19:21 and then the monkeys go loose and take over the world. Cameron Diaz. Yeah, Cameron Diaz yeah oh she's hilarious she's big she's a big girl my favorite is when people funny when when You've put it before us. jonah hill in the babysitter or something some shit like that yeah oh for me i remember the Who was in the Comedy Hall of Fame. only one they get to see and the funny thing is is people say representation of black people and this is the only one they get

1:22:34 Yeah, and the thing is, as has been stated by many people, is that in this country, most people watching those trailers that you saw aren't going, these are a bunch of white people in these trailers. like i've talked about this before like people magazine is about white people for the most part comfortable with talking people go, it wouldn't fly because white when people historically in this country when people

1:24:11 Yeah. that's a different animal. they don't they think racism they don't think racism exists in europe because it's all about being shit on so we're gonna say black power white power you you got it white people you got it you because there's things you can be proud to be white about. It's a pendulum shift. I'm trying to push it. I'm trying to swing it.

1:26:39 I love Tyler Perry. They went so white, they went back in time. You're wearing vests. It's a new white. Could you imagine if they just start with them and find out can I be a black guy in your video if a bunch of? keep it together. African American stars everybody gets excited They play like a half an hour You should do that for a show. the country music channel except there was black people in it oh and i was like yeah i said i was

1:29:13 after Hootie and the Blowfish, if this counts technically get that fucking shit but see not trying to be an actor yeah he's not a star in a movie where, like, he gets the girl. that, like, you would maybe see, like, but he's not doing, like, kissing the girl and then the credits rolling that's true is, but it's like George Clooney, no matter what movie it is, it ends up at the end with him kissing the girl and then the credits rolling.

1:31:16 Martial artist or something. does romantic comedies too though he did like hitch yeah he gets to do like Denzel's not going to do a movie where he, or you play the guy who beats up the black women. and he always, Right. think it's a conscious decision on his part and how he chooses those roles he's You ever heard him talk in real life? Yeah, because he wanted people to accept Batman as Batman.

1:33:38 No, you make those three of the biggest action movies of all time. Yeah. Yeah, maybe. Handsome man, though. I feel like it's supposed to be like a young Robert De Niro. And covered in hair. that killed a lot of people you got claws slicing people up comic book geek i skipped all the comic book movies this summer i was just like really i just So I sort of skipped that.

1:36:28 Yeah. Well, the new Hulk, the thing about the Hulk now is they can make it look real. Oh, I can't remember. He's a great actor. You're already the Hulk, sir. Do you want to do this superhero movie? Be the Hulk? doing it. Really? I just think it would be better Remember that shit? They don't have any knees. the game is going to be cool. thing it looks like a cgi thing yeah you know like the i am legend monsters they looked cgi'd up they

1:39:52 What do you think about Tyler Perry movies? And so it's frustrating when people go, John Singleton. You know what I mean? But you can go, I don't have an opinion on Woody Allen. the shit is that he's doing. Yeah, he owns it. Yeah. It's a series of movies Morgan Freeman did. trying to do an established property that has been a hit movie we're gonna What is it?

1:43:29 Okay. You can't have gotten to the point that he's at without making time to do as many things as you can do. Does he have a hundred-year-old wife, too, if you know what I'm saying? He takes his mom to the movie openings. Good for him. I don't notice color. I don't see it. Just like I don't notice that I'm six foot four all the time Oh, that's true.

1:46:07 chiming in about it and uh that was a weird conversation not not because uh the idea that uh And people were like, so you're saying that we don't like him because we're white? They want white heroes. Mm-hmm, and I I was I was a little taken aback. Yes the front page saw that I saw that now It's that people who would not describe themselves as white people felt like you turned on them

1:48:09 outlets saying, Joe Rogan attributes Jon Jones' lack of success to racism. And my thing was it's true night talk show that you like i want to just talk i don't want to have to do a skit and a thing Because are we pretending that racism isn't real? and he has the same thing Ali had, like you think about, like... through The Ultimate Fighter, Jon was a very successful wrestler all throughout high school and college.

1:51:31 And then, on top of that, he grew up with two fucking giant super athlete brothers, and even if it's not a real fight there's competition like high level competition so That's where we disagree. with Cassius Clay, when somebody is so young and so much better than everybody, and then And then if we can find some faults in your character. You actually want your fighters to be badasses who drink and get in fights and do some things.

1:53:40 He wears a fucking cowboy hat everywhere. Oh, he's a badass. He doesn't give a shit. he's so fake. for three years? Yeah, and I think that MMA at this point, I feel like if I ever made sort of fuck you money or money enough, I would open jiu-jitsu gyms in the ghetto to train the next generation of black MMA fighters. He's not a heavyweight. Bad motherfucker.

1:55:46 Yeah, some crazy guy who said some fucked up things about his daughter and beat the fuck out of him in a video that was on TMZ and everything. How dare you? Right. this blank piece of paper i'll take care of it so it's a it's a recurring process that happens It used to be that it was a done deal the heavyweight division's ever known. that there would be a white heavyweight champion that no one gives a fuck about no one gives a fuck

1:58:09 no one was talking to him. I go, That's Vladimir Klitschko. Now in Ukraine, he he would be i'm sure he gets mobbed in germany yeah yeah he actually speaks like five Well, here's why. best guy in the ufc and there's a number two guy you guys are going to fight right there's no but everybody the fuck off and so there's no central authority to rule over and say we have to clean

2:00:20 I mean, he has a fucking one-man Broadwayway show where he talks about he shows 350 million he Yes, he does. He's just working, I think, for the 76ers until that kicks in. Well, look at it this way. I didn't see it. He's got tigers. The corruption leads to people not wanting to participate in the sport in the same way. I mean, maybe starting to, but that wasn't the – there was a gulf between the end of boxing being a big sport, the end of heavyweight champions being a big thing, and then the MMA taking prominence.

2:02:59 There's Hopkins. and never have the courage to be able to step into a ring on your own in your underwear Well, but that's the thing I think is interesting. I see where you're coming from, but I really honestly don't think that it's coming from a point of like, Oh, wait a second. More importantly than broke is brain damage. Yeah, whoever on the bottom of the economic...

2:05:12 not yeah nobody rides for free i mean i was a big boxing fan so i just i i sort of missed the fact Ernie Shavers. Ali Ken Norton, when he broke his jaw. You know what I mean? Terry Norris was and I was listening to him was the champ. He's like, dude, you're not fighting now. to be like... years old still the champ talks great still full of energy outboxes the shit out of some young guys

2:08:26 any education in boxing that get you to react with an overhand right. And these things are all in his mind these are all foregone conclusions Did you see that Russian guy that he beat for the light heavyweight title? You can't even hit him. I think I'm trying to be a comedian. Blue Horizon. and there was one guy who was, how to box today especially in today's day and age you got to learn how to do it from someone who respects brain trauma you know and understands

2:11:17 But the problem is a lot of these gyms, they don't want pussies. So they'll just take you, and they'll throw you in there. Everything they're doing, they're all fucking wailing their arms all goofy, watch many packs these fucking russians have a stranglehold on that motherfucker and yeah they're That's what the WBA does for boxing, the IBF, the IBO.

2:13:06 Yeah, there's no question no, we could actually. all those people together Yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah. that's the that's the i mean maybe some wouldn't call it corruption but i think that's the children but uh i also think that we should probably pay them a living wage, you know? Yeah. are you a communist like no dude i just went to the apple store and got me an ipod touch

2:16:06 But we all know this thing where, I want the 50, isn't it $50 with a free rebate or something? of profit that apple has made and probably apple has something like 60 billion dollars in the talking about right now yeah like my dad in my head right now. their shareholders yes is to increase their bottom line and they have to make more every year yes And, you know, my dad, when I talked to my dad about it, he's like, well, those jobs are pass-through jobs.

2:18:22 There are some jobs that probably shouldn't pay a shitload of money but no not a shitload You shouldn't want somebody to be struggling and not afford to, economy certainly sends her but i have a small business and if i raise the minimum wage your you need $17 an hour, and some cities Okay. back and forth for a long time but i know zero about economics and so when i've said hey i just

2:21:10 in place that are going to fuck and one day I'm going to be rich it would help your community corporate interests. Or one, you know. It's also the team that is most aligned with Jesus. America's the God. Yes, yes. That's the new American, US slogan. We'll take it from here. Yeah, yeah. We'll take it from here. That's the new American, U.S. slogan. Meanwhile, it's a cunty flying lizard.

2:23:28 You're like, how the fuck is this our national bird? feathers now. They don't know what color they were. because they think he was more of a, they think it was more of, instead of a predator, It was a more oxygen-rich and dense atmosphere. There's something about that that sounds like America. That's sort of a thing that happens. Did Noah forget them is that what happened?

2:26:11 most shit shouldn't make sense to you. that 6 14 whatever it was billion years ago something created the universe out of nothing. And then from there, you can see with your eyes. Sure you do. So you don't know that. That's the problem. Yeah, it's not a lot of conservative think tanks creating the most innovative new cell phones You know, I don't know if Walmart is way over here is not ethical Morco moral

2:28:38 I looked up a punching bag. Can you just dump your cookies or something like that? Now my computer's advertising me to stay at the hotel I'm staying at. No, I've made a reservation at a, this happened this week, I've made a reservation at this hotel I'm staying at. Now my computer's advertising me to stay at the hotel I'm staying at. Yeah, yeah. It knows where you go every night so it assumes

2:30:02 starting to get smart but it's, but it's not quite there. We want that. And in some ways, you're saying, yeah, people say we're giving up privacy. And someone's like, it's not biting me in the ass yet. snowden is telling the truth i mean obviously i don't know but he said that there's people in get together yeah that never seems to work out because the truth of community goes there was

2:32:29 just watching him try to dance around it. I mean, you know, yeah, I mean, that's the, you can't, you know, the black people can't flood the ghetto with drugs. I mean, the whole Contras and Sandinistas thing in Nicaragua, which was the Oliver North scandal that was on television, was all out on freeway, Ricky selling the Coke. Yeah. Okay. and it was when I had the show.

2:34:26 i felt like i don't know mr ross if i want you to okay i'll give it to you sir Yeah. We should probably make the money. think it's that godfather discussion where like, they're animals anyway. Not only that, the big impediment, like what's the big problem is law enforcement uh that we got that we got that One reason, right? i mean because oakland's crazy because no it's not because oakland's i mean oakland now is

2:37:39 30% is more than the national average. that that for example and we can talk about it or not talk about it but so that if a guy walks is my opinion on that situation that So I think it's a – I'm not going to necessarily say cops are the problem. So I think that when the cornerstone of this country is founded on racism and the people who police the country are trying to protect the country's

2:40:13 It has to be, yeah. I said this earlier, in the inner city were good, close store closes down and a whole foods opens and they're like, oh, finally, we can't afford to shop there. the jordan foundation the way we're dealing with the rockefellers you know what i'm saying well And also, you know, we have this one president. yeah that you know community in the uk they go what do you mean you went broke because you had

2:43:14 Work with children. They have something. That's, and I don't think people see it that way. because those black people in ferguson yeah yeah cannons and drones that people don't take it they well it's that's the federal government trying to fuck with people that's what it is not only their money and then they say the case is pending and they just have to sit there and they don't do

2:46:38 he didn't do it and there were people like i remember on twitter people like say something But when it takes him four days to talk about ferguson and as he says he didn't want to say anything too quickly or he want to say because he didn't want to be seen as putting his thumb on Yeah. He didn't. Yeah. you are faced with just a fucking tidal wave of special interest groups and money and pull and

2:49:10 But it's a lot Flew through First of all, I'm taking a month off because my wife's going to have our second kid, but What's wrong? Yeah. Dude, do an internet show, man. All right.