Joe Rogan Experience #569 — Joe Perry Transcript

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0:00 We'll get you my two favorite rock stars on the wall. Whoops. one of the greatest guitarists that's ever graced the face of this planet. So I was an Aerosmith fan. him that commemorative 1911, which was he just turned around and gave it to Joe Esposito, No, not Elliot Gould. Robert Goulet. Robert Goulet, the actor? Wasn't he an actor? No actor he was a singer yeah wasn't there in it Robert Goulet an actor there's no I don't know like there's a James Brown who's a sports

3:39 anything it's just you know he just bought it and gave it to somebody as a gift never really like used it or touched it and like i'd be happy with a guitar string or a pick or something yeah and so guns look like after they've been used and everything, it was probably that he he would carried it. You know Elvis was like the original I mean, considering his background, I mean,

6:04 to be a good band, a great band, you know, as, as mean, they really worked hard to be a good band, I don't think anybody can deal with that level of fame i think it just makes you it's your reality just changes like it's I mean, he had the movies. if he would been allowed to tour the, the Colonel, Oh, someone would take over as his new manager? Elvis was fine with it.

8:49 movies he wanted to I mean he was obviously a talented actor that never And then the colonel allegedly would take this briefcase, his share, and go right to Vegas. His style of music was a generation before. It became like a, he was more talking it than he was singing it. that's that's what that's what he he he lived it you know yeah let me hear this i'm almost mad

11:43 He just drips cool. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's showing all the different vocal harmonies. Wow, the man with the golden arm, right? That was illegal. That's all you have to do back then. They only had like four books. Yeah, he was 125 pounds, I think. When you had a chance to see guys like elvis when you were a kid and you had a chance to see those guys and all the trials and tribulations

15:50 He's always had that illusion of, you know, because it was on TV, and you always have that feeling like there's just sitting there, you know, without knowing anybody famous or, you know, or anything like that. so he got me on a lot of construction sites for jobs. at work and everybody would make fun of them on the job and i just got to see these people that just couldn't control substances and being around that i got to you know as a young kid as a young

17:47 Right. must have lost like he was a skinny guy already but he must have lost like 30 or 40 pounds just It was definitely isolated in a very small town. would drive us to the to the nearest train stop and we'd take the train in and hang around all When I was reading the audio book, Have I got rid of mine. I hurt myself on TV when I was 19 and I was like Jesus Christ. I sound like that

20:55 Like, if we go back to Boston, I see. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Sell out arenas. Man, I mean, they're just so good. They owned Detroit. So we went to Detroit, and over the course of six months, But still, there were places we could go and still be like third on the bill. now and so we'd have to like conquer texas you know what i mean or one of the greatest bands of all time.

24:52 to this day, I hear Train Keeper Rollin', such a distinctive sound like you could hear like in the first couple like walk this way you could ice cream place, and I used to walk the middle of a verse it would just fade away and then it would fade back in after it did the the transition from 8-track to cassette to CD It seems like a long time ago to us.

27:51 listen to what's on the on the vinyl yeah sturgill simpson gave us they're tucked away they're in the And, of course, they still crackle and scratch and all that. I know what I like. and so they're fine with the little earbuds, you know Yeah. Because it was really good. It's cool. in the band and then come back well it was uh on the on the the to get out there and play without any any hassle without any any without any like uh backstage bullshit any of that crap you know

31:19 Yeah, and just getting out there. I mean, she was traveling around the country and kind of missed the times we were there In fact, she didn't even think the band I was with was my band. You know, I mean, you guys had a good time, play today. There's all this craziness. But there's also a lot partying there's all this craziness but there's know just how hard it is or how hard it's been to keep the band together.

34:55 you know, especially the last 20 years. Yeah. That's pretty fucking huge. fucking super gigantic. cliffy and cliffy had a fucking 65 gto was the sweetest car I'd ever seen in my life. It was candy apple red, 65 GTO that had chirps. I'd do a Kiss logo on my notebook. Yeah, well, hey, called each other and said hi you know and that kind of thing and it wasn't like we were like

38:38 just that i'm sure i'll tell you do you have that tinnitus shit no i don't you don't i do have a Right. would be backstage or like a lot of guys that work at venues concert venues they're because a half an hour at this DB, And there's a lot of times it isn't that loud. because they're sitting right next to that snare drum and the cymbals, And you don't have anything relative because your ears get used to it

41:52 They say that about gunfire, too. rappers right like like not rapper like a black guy but i mean like uh or a white guy wants to Right. He's got at least 100 guns. That I do. It's about as American as you can get. People hear something like this thing that happened in Seattle, and this school shooting But there's so many factors that lead to someone doing something horrible.

45:39 I mean, it's crazy that you can – they can have a – carry a gun in one state. around the streets with carrying an axe and when apparently he hadn't done anything violent but that were in control of uh the population in europe and the reason why they came to america that all you have to do is have a background check, some fucking wacky laws because the zimmerman case and you know there's other states that are

48:48 But, you know, again, there are other factors involved. Like, good luck. to regulate firearms fuck off you know they've done a terrible job and what they've done with But they're just a bunch of fucking assholes of the knee-jerk reactionary That was something that Hemingway said. and they fire 40 rounds, And today you have AR-15s, you have semi-automatic rifles,

52:29 going to have to trust that people don't just send a drone over to your house and eliminate We're going to have to address mental illness in this And they started taking antidepressants and SSRIs. so you have to wonder how much of what's happening with these school shootings and these different And the mechanism for and then they're like uh reading anyway i don't want to know you get into that anymore but you

55:32 It's like you said. that's my favorite. And again, it's the issue that everybody wants to have like, we need to do this. We move on with our lives because we have mortgages and student loans and fucking traffic and our kids are screaming and you just it's it's easy yeah i don't understand the economy do you understand the economy not at all i mean We filmed a television show in Detroit.

58:45 I mean, they were just hungry. It was next to Zug Island. poor folks who their entire livelihood was based on this auto plant right and and this this this core of what the economy is I mean when we were the strongest we're making when things got made overseas and pretty much the same as the percentage of people that commit suicide in the country. Right.

1:02:57 the New York times and USA today, and they did not say one word about about ebola and 2 000 people had already died in in africa and it was like not Who's in charge here? It's like, wait a minute. well it's nature i mean what's the you know and the thing is they it you know it's like, well, it's nature. I mean, what's the, you know, and the thing is, you know, it's trying to find that the perfect thing between the viruses, between killing its host completely, because then what good is that?

1:04:51 I mean, didn't Bill Hicks call us a virus with shoes? to the other these little tiny animals man you can't see too just just small enough so you can't It's constantly changing. One thing that a lot of folks aren't aware of is a lot of the diseases that we have when it comes to flus You know, with the, I mean, you go to the Far East and it's like, you know, the ducks are right there you know with the uh uh i mean you go to the far east

1:07:21 I don't know, I saw a headline a couple of nights ago So it's like, how does that happen, you know, without some human intervention? And people can just fly places and so if someone catches ebola there's a 21 day incubation period that we do not know how to control and that it hits the population and just kills a few million And they were all in agreement.

1:10:32 why don't just get burger king to do it i used to have a joke about that that like that You got to strip them, you know? and she's in obvious pain. you're gonna hear is somebody had that stupid wheelchair wheelchair wired up you know, the next thing you're going to hear is somebody had that stupid wheelchair wired up. Did you go through the TSA pre?

1:12:33 You know, I have to still take my shoes off, take off the belt. Wow. Oh, and so you got a boar and then turned it into a necklace. And one guy looked at it and said oh you can't you can't take that and it's basically tore a ligament so I could have been walking the next week, But it wasn't the dive vacation we had envisioned because Billy couldn't dive because she was pregnant.

1:15:37 And, you know, so finally I put it off as long as I could, and then I just had to have the knee put in. So when they do an artificial knee, do they have to saw off the end of your bone and put this thing and screw it in place like they do with a hip? going to need so they have just about every part you can imagine that will fit you know on the wall so they

1:17:04 It kept staying swollen and i went in and you can really get sick and then you then you're in the hospital for months yeah there's a huge And that's where it gets really scary because people can get these MRSA, these medication resistant strains. And you're wide open. It doesn't hurt when I'm like 90% of the time. And she wore it out, and so she had to have it replaced.

1:20:13 You got to keep up with the Joneses, man. like I said it's just amazing it's like kind of like you know they have a new peter chris and a new ace freely yeah they just make up these other dudes this beef stuff and it's in a spicy broth it's fucking fantastic it's got chickpeas in it and Is that from Papusa's website? we went out stomach i believe it's the stomach, the lining or whatever.

1:23:25 it was it was you know and the and the guy who turned us on to it was a promoter and we went what's this rock joe fucking perry is the first guy to answer me on Twitter and tells me it's a sea stone. Listen, I love the ocean. And it captured me from the very beginning. You know what I mean? And that's where they have different ways to teach kids now.

1:25:52 But sitting in a classroom, Well, I think that that's what's happening. whatever they have to get through. But on the other hand, you know, I mean, I don't know. But that drive, I think that if I had been allowed to get through that stereotypical, you know, way of learning, Because then we have Joe Perry, the musician. didn't do that music or what you know whatever and you know i have to say you know that you know

1:29:04 But, you know, I couldn't say if I could change anything, you know i mean it has its ups and downs and uh but uh you know i i couldn't say if And it's a matter of, I mean, what are the resources? 13 hours a day but if i'm not interested i, I can stare at it, I can read it, But we homeschooled them. the public school box thing, which is every year Yeah, it's a tragedy that there's not more money and more time and more effort and more consideration invested in education and our culture.

1:32:49 education to get involved in it it's really really tough i mean and that's it they have to be they I had a conversation with someone about this the other day You know what I mean? more people that are happy more people that are healthy that would make a stronger country right growing up that are going to be the people that you're going to have to interact with that your

1:36:17 Yeah. constituents but the the real issue of like social engineering in a sense of managing our communities Like when you get, like when I go to Washington, D.C., and I go inside the Beltway, it's almost like I'm in a different world. attacks on foreign soils it's all taking place in this one and then fucking political interests and thinking about their families

1:39:28 And they're the ones that are telling people in the Midwest how to live, how to do everything, as much as they can. I started voting, but now I'm starting to wonder about the whole thing. debates you look at how this this this group has set it up so that the people that are allowed to admit it even from the top to the bottom they'll admit it's not perfect there's a lot of problems

1:41:53 that's why he didn't win a second term. and you would have to somehow or another strip away the rights that the Supreme Court's given them To do that in a more ethical way, in a way that's more mutually beneficial I think it's possible but it's you would have to stop You know, I'm going to just take, you know. There's so much money and so much power going on inside that beltway.

1:45:06 they elected him as mayor after he got arrested for smoking crack they elected him again i mean It's just like, you know, it's just crazy. But it's also, it's almost a perfect representation I mean, it's like, A werewolf only becomes a murdering machine when the full moon is out. I mean, it's not much different than a wolf. People are terrified of vampires.

1:47:31 Yeah. why haven't they a perfect connection there and all sorts of shit I don't know. That's amazing. It's gross. that has fake hair and extensions? Yeah, extensions. I's why toupees look like shit. You ever been with a girl that has fake hair? and then they can cut it off. So all of it was India. because computers have come so much farther. you know,

1:50:16 or out of the thing, I mean, they're allusions to Mary Jane and the different drugs and shit. you could never have that today It's a class action suit. they they do and and taking cigarettes smoking out of the movies you know uh anyway it was something that was uh just a little What was racist oh, Tom! a person like that, motherfuckers and they're real people and if you put them in a cartoon would that be racist

1:53:54 But does it make it blackface or does he just have soot on his face? The Chesterfield King. We went on a tour. from the twenties and, what's the ride where you can go through and then you can eat inside the ride. What's it called? at the end of the ride, they'll give you a death certificate. Wow. Applicants can be on hold for about 14 years just for the chance to pay the $25,000 initiation fee with an additional $10,000

1:56:59 Boy, does that mean- See, this would be cool. Why's that? went I mean it was it was definitely good it was great and we wanted to go I well, maybe next year and whatever, They find out about them now, As far as the royalties. but there were a lot, a lot of cool bands from then, You know, so I taught them about, you know, you know or uh you know so i taught him about you know what was going on

2:01:36 And he's saying, everything's going to be fine. But at that point, they were living so high on the hog or off the hog. Did you see the piece that Courtney Love wrote about that? The fuck do you know how smart? and then everything would come out of that, know those standard agreements were always like you know lopsided for the to benefit the record it's good enough and it gets heard but you know the bottom line is the band's paying for it it's

2:05:07 And it should change. You know, like they say in Old Brother. well, Feist is here, he can't hear, he can't speak or whatever. He had to be able to hear to play guitar, but he couldn't speak. So, uh, he can't, you know, and so the blind guy just paid him, there was four of them, I think, paid him 50, 50 bucks singing the can, you know, but it's been like that ever since, you know, they've always, I mean, the artists have always, you know, they're usually starving. And by the time they,

2:06:51 that doesn't have some kind of story like that. or how good he was, you know. and they deal with impulsive artists who are very creative but often very not business-minded. And all they care about is, I'm going to put together an album that's going to sell a fucking billion records. hit I mean now it's a huge hit and apparently the bass player took it one

2:09:37 a computer well you can tell the difference though from a song that's written from an individual's that really has some emotion behind it, But for us, I mean, the only thing that we would think about is how the song is going to go down when we play it live. because I knew that there was something we could do to put a different slant on what had already been done.

2:11:47 way so it really we made a good a good team like that because you know i'd be the anarchist you But that, I think, is part of the creative process I just looked at the name under the songs like who really was responsible well, how can I get another point here? 100%. 100%. You know, like there's a lot of things that I've done another run later six or seven episodes

2:14:45 if there's one thing that i did that i didn't enjoy that much it was that but it was a shit and the ideas and doing it, I mean, I can relate to that, we really did something here, it was actually good it was when you guys did that though that music video two letters from fans that said what are you doing wreck you know wrecking your hard rock thing? You know what I mean?

2:17:58 time we'll hang out meet these guys it'll be fun and uh and then in fact, Billy, we needed some girls so it would look like a rock rehearsal studio where there would be girls. But it was one of those things. where no bands go platinum interesting it's crazy because it's like uh you look at the numbers and you know, come up, and at least for rock and roll, and, you know, I really believe we're at the end of an era, you know,

2:20:16 out of our royalties, it helped us get to be a better band and made us into the into you know what we are uh and those days are over you know their music to the fans and that will never change i mean the excitement of going to a live show like i just played on the johnny winter record uh before he passed away which is a i mean it But it's just an idea almost.

2:23:08 farmers markets like that's becoming like really popular to like buy food directly from the people understand that there's something missing in this corporate created plastic world that we've sort Because it's going to happen however it's going to happen. I love that. there's supposedly a new a new um they call it modeling you know they actually like the software

2:25:37 they measure every parameter It's almost like if you're playing in clarinet, can only get as good as this you know when you're listening to it. But as the capacity, the storage capacity grows, I don't know, man. Some of these, I mean, people are making movies on these watching a movie on there i mean i don't know i don't know man um some of these i

2:28:05 Again, it comes down to your eye, your ear, the quality of the shot. They pound those drums down and then saw them in half That's why I don't think, that's why whenever I, I mean, there's a music store down in the village called Music Inn, and it's run by these two old hippies that used to play sitar between bands at the Fillmore. But you take that out, and you can fiddle with it and it can be the

2:30:43 remember Mr. Lincoln Palmer, the band? Uh-huh, yeah. They were one of the first bands to put a penny on it when you put on like a you remember mr lincoln palmer the band What happened when you put a quarter? Yeah, I'm not paying a dollar to go in your front door tiny place. Yeah, it's just it's like twice as big as this and the gigs get more gigs and all that,

2:32:43 have you ever watched like an HD movie on a certain TV and it almost feels too good? But, you know, they've obviously cleaned it up. There's a scene when they're in this hangar and there's a spaceship behind them even though it was ridiculous, newscasters they made it shittier looking essentially to make it look more like Right. They were kind of doing that.

2:36:22 And then there's this other thing that's, So that warms it up automatically in a way that it's really hard to duplicate with software. They're constantly, I mean, people are aware of it and they're constantly trying to upgrade it. that analogous to our culture right there's the blowback against the sort of like harsh digital He had like an oven that was a wood-fired oven.

2:39:04 Really? Never accepted credit cards. Wanted only and you would people would go there and The guy refused to adapt. chicken they had fantastic sandwiches they had the best pastrami i mean it So I can see what – but if your business is spreading like that, you got to, like, get the word out there so people come prepared, you know. Well, you've got a tall order there.

2:41:16 It seems ridiculous. It's sensational. It's on the wall. They're huge portions. I go there all the time. Yeah, there used to be a place like that in Boston, I remember. Yeah. Really? Handcrafted right now the only way to spot handcrafted is if you can see the cows in the back It's called Boiling Crab. What is that? boiling it's called boiling crab and it's actually

2:45:15 Do most people actually wait? when someone figures out something good you know like one of the things you're seeing now at lax Right. can eat at the restaurant. Do they have any? It's probably a fake. Listen, Joe Perry, we're basically out of time. Thank you, brother. All right. and we'll set something up. It's called Rocks, My Life