Joe Rogan Experience #580 — Lewis Hilsenteger Transcript

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0:00 the Joe Rogan experience to work with Ustream. Ustream's never correctly. whether or not these fucking idiots there's many instances and this is not the best one you know jamie was talking about it before nobody has you know the like it's hard to have an opinion about that other than that's terrible and the black guy was on the side of the cop that shot

4:06 I mean, it's the same thing. that they can express themselves through these kinds of issues. certain set of circumstances like a sports team loses and people go crazy and start smashing cars and whatever and it it somehow attracts other people to that to It seems to me like the equivalent of kicking and screaming as an adult. Right. What have they done that's so terrible besides making fantastically engineered automobiles that you couldn't possibly come up with yourself?

7:17 tantrum but at the same time the consequence is bigger than you personally. There are, I'm sure, plenty of upstanding citizens who just wanted to go back to work. what about the people what about the people people pay for that stuff you reach them somehow educate them or provide them with some sort of counseling or some some factor that's going to change the way they view the world and view community and view each other

9:24 behavior uh through various means like i used to watch the first 48 have you ever seen that show and you get to see how like immediately after a crime takes place what the cops are working with It's like, hmm, that to me just sounds like you're afraid. The people that are poor and that are living in these areas. You know, it's not like when the police go in there, they're treated in a certain way because maybe the life they lead is so different than that of the individuals in that lifestyle themselves, you know?

11:55 There was these crazy drunk concert goers i was thinking like man i wonder if that's just like what happens and you know that stanford study that they did where they took uh they they Yeah, the Stanford Prison Experiment. all of these different mechanisms at play to keep order, to keep things happening in a smooth sort of way. Yes. And Mexico City is,

14:37 You know what? There's no getting out of it. And it was fucking craziness. It is amazing how well-trained we actually are. you know your children are safe the minute that you take away the necessities all it's like yeah which pizza place still has food? You had to drive like two hours And there was a giant line But it really exposes the fact that we have such...

18:06 how much more ineffective am i at participating in all of that yeah i have a friend who doesn't Yeah. Wanting to be living in the fucking past. Even now, I have friends who have picked that point. and they're like, this is as far as I'm going with this damn thing. when they were fucking saber-toothed tigers. it's like a huge deal to me. basic kind of draw to a particular topic and then you get there and then you retain it that's I mean

21:29 it for yourself when you're driving your own car ship whatever all of a sudden things become They're just relaying information. And so, it's unfortunately not a very difficult thing. of an office charismatic people that you that talk to you at a hospital One is just the facts laid out to you in a very bland, monotone way. they have very little freedom in what they can bring into that conversation

25:16 But isn't it also about like you have to have the basic building blocks? Yes. I don't think we're encouraged at a young age to really hyper-focus on the things that are interesting to us. Meanwhile, his 14-year-old brother is reading coding magazines and already, like, you know, reading about John Carmack and how he started off id Software. at some point in their lives has a particular skill that's worth exploring. But oftentimes it doesn't fit into the window

27:21 You know, when I told my mom I was going to be a comedian, get too much encouragement or There's something in my throat. talk to people like this pretty much the idea that that guy was beating women up and you know and doing it under the guise i mean who the fuck knows And I know that he went so far as to reference Fifty Shades of Grey in his argument, meaning that in some way he felt that that enabled him some leeway.

30:18 just mostly just rough sex and bondage tying up uh whipping, that kind of shit. accusations long before that book even came out but uh it seems to me that he his point is that them fucking you know what i mean like i couldn't picture that guy stuffing a girl into the corner of a couch and just fucking hammering away. bill cosby calls him up and tells him to stop swearing and then he calls up richard pryor and

32:57 There's nothing scarier than somebody hiding shit, really, when you think about it. woke up in somebody else's clothes like i read her her account the original uh accuser who nobody so the drug itself and that happening to people was so new right yes you have i don't even know imagine that guy dropping quaaludes into a chick's drink and just, You know what I mean?

35:42 Because you know Because the creepiest people are the best actors. before we have sex you know he's punching you in the head and stuffing your head under a pillow Yeah, I mean, who the fuck knows what actually happened in that particular case, but what just drives me up the wall is that someone's capable of doing that. look, whatever Michael Brown did,

37:53 I was violent in the sense of I was fighting. I thought he was going to hit me. extreme stress and duress a woman who lives in a horrible neighborhood it deals with violence in just way the real question is how how do we stop a kid like that from being a kid like that how do we the rich kid yes who had had it out for women or whatever i read read some stuff regarding him when

41:13 Maybe Jamie can look it up. of meals for five bucks a piece and it's weird how how many things are stacked against you it's is this it right here? Well, I think they go where they can make the most money. Would like a Big Mac Between going down the street To go get a Big Mac, that's one I mean, look, if you want to serve your kid a cheeseburger, should that be legal?

44:08 But here's what I'm getting at is that the developing mind is very susceptible, at least traditionally has been susceptible, to advertising's ability to bypass the defense mechanisms that an adult brain has right i know you want to sell should be able to but if if that is all that's available in your community and you are young No. That's be optimized. No.

46:02 It comes out of the ground. One of them, one lot would feed literally a hundred homes. careers he when he was going to school he was involved at one point in time with some project So I do not remember the exact extent of their duties or what everything was for, but I remember She had a really hard time drinking cow milk, but goat's milk is super easy to digest for whatever reason.

48:43 we put them here you know let everybody When you subtract time from people, when they are getting paid, you know, himself a gorilla gardener wow i like that yeah he's got a ted talk about gorilla gardening in yeah what is that about i mean i was i got here and i was at the whole foods in venice It's like nutrition is a rite of passage. You can get like good meat there.

52:14 The one in Venice had the wood pizza oven, too. Price-wise, it's like I'm trying to uh be prejudiced or anything but That day, there was so much racist bullshit being tweeted. You know, it's not as simple as, Nobody was saying cigarettes are bad for you at some point in time. Prescribing cigarettes to make you rougher, stronger. Yes. but these women would go to the doctor and the doctor would just finger blast them.

55:07 Yeah. yeah hysteria the um just describes unmanageable emotional excess The fear that can be centered on a body part or most commonly on an imagined problem with that body part. And they were talking about using a woman using uh pms as a defense in a And went crazy? many hundreds of years Look at this blast. I know. A physician in 1859 incomplete. It's really amazing when you go back just a couple hundred years and you look at the

58:20 It's false. What does it say? His defense was that he suffered diminished capacity as a result of depression. It wasn't that the Twinkies were causing him to kill somebody. like someone gets an idea and then like my hands are up don't shoot like they're pretending that this kid said my hands are up don't shoot it's like people keep saying hands Really?

1:00:45 Yeah, Jesus Christ. Not yet. For all sorts of reasons. that that was said like what are you doing And like that black guy that on Twitter was saying to the white rapper, is it's not just about what would have been captured. On both sides. And you know what they should do? or that purposely, You could have it or have you heard of them? you're streaming.

1:03:22 or something. so you get um pulled over for speeding right you want the cop coming up and recording that? Yes. Yeah, you know you're being recorded, and you're being recorded because you violated a law. But I think that if someone comes up to you and talks to you about a crime and you know I know a cop. That's been going on for as long as there's been cops, I'm sure.

1:05:49 There's probably a lot of girls that have offered that. people regular people walks up to you records you and puts it online and and whatever he edits it Fuck that guy. to knock them out but i think it's so it's so interesting how the camera in and of itself Why does it make us feel so uncomfortable? That's like that's what he's doing right he's not announcing that it's going to be on YouTube, but people's reactions are intense

1:08:15 Oh, I'll get his phone cases like he he walks that guy he walks into like uh um a card What is our access to information going to be like 100 years from now? There's going to be some sort of a mechanism for reintroducing emotions into an outside observer. I could like see what you like to masturbate to and what excites you. yeah but uh and i i sit there and i look at that and i'm like damn i i am so happy that that's not

1:11:31 how can it not become a performance? the camera or the surveillance guy or whatever is like are you you when a camera's on yeah well Are you? feeling these fucking things in my ears. Like, there's people who are guarded about certain information. that changed the you Well, not only that, I mean, isn't that kind of what being a human being is? guy but fucking dude was like he he always was involved in drama and bullshit and when i was

1:14:33 And when I'm not around him, because I eliminated this one super problematic dude from my life. stimulus yeah the the people that are around us the things that we surround ourselves with like but it's also the worst thing about the web. There's no going back. to see that yeah i just remember like the the weird like tightening of your body like watch one because i couldn't believe it was on fucking YouTube. Somebody sent me a link to it on Twitter, something about ISIS.

1:17:56 Right, we think of them as being Yeah, because the entire objective What's the cost of one dude? it's hard to argue with that i mean i'm not supporting isis but it's hard to argue with As long as those people on TV speak a different language and wear a different outfit. Just like having negative people in our life. but the consequences are very similar like when you let shit in it changes you like we both just

1:21:29 variety in their input right yeah and when we all become connected in some sort of a weird hive mind Give me an example. There is no rom-com. and that's just part of growing and and whatever but in those movies it's never about that it's I don't know how to solve that shit, Ryan Gosling movies? That handsome bastard I didn't mean it Like it's sound absolutely ridiculous in the real world music plays when the guy delivers

1:25:35 Yeah, in real life. I feel the same way about a lot of zombie shit. dangerous zombie you want a 28 days later zombie love 28 days later you know if i need to be afraid All of Hollywood needs to tone down the appearance. It bugs the shit out of me. Hell yeah. Is that what it is? There you go. They'd be cast. what they need to do to participate in that whole thing from an appearance standpoint.

1:28:36 Bad motherfucker. when I originally thought of an ugly... He's gone. He eats a stick of butter every 20 minutes. creepy dude right he gets he and i'm sure he knows this because he gets cast in those roles all the starting again right now i'm looking at her outfits i mean it it looks like you could have to think about realistic realistic zombie movies and we couldn't even besides 28 days later and it doesn't even

1:31:47 So a hunter killed a chimp, and the chimp had killed two different forms of monkey, Because the immune system is actually fairly sophisticated that's a bad move they've always been doing that i know that's happened forever i know but you say There's a crazy fucking video of these chimps. Still alive. that's infected with an immune deficiency virus that came directly from a gorilla

1:34:43 Chimps? Like the human brain size doubled over a period of two million years, which is apparently like the greatest mystery in the entire fossil record, according to some biologists. the plant fiber and so you're the the internal organs actually changed and altered over the you look to your closest relative, they're violent as hell. meat it's organically sourced they get get free-range chickens for their eggs.

1:38:09 Very few people go on hunting trips to go get monkeys. Yeah. Forced evolution. in new guinea have been observed having the exact same symptoms it's called jacobs kreutzfeld Yes, 100%. You would also understand that the amount of protein that you can get from one deer or one elk or one moose, like that one animal dies and you could feed a family for a year.

1:40:56 So you shoot the moose. It's very difficult. So he takes people to these hunting environments. Big rifle Because you want to eat the heart You want to eat the heart the alpha male gets to eat the liver first really Really? Yeah. When wolves take out an animal, Whoa. and he was whimpering and cowering and he had to completely bow down and submit to this animal that

1:44:01 I mean, gorillas aren't predatory at all. What was that ape you were talking about on some other podcast? Nests on the ground like a gorilla. of specific traits as an identifier. complete subspecies. yeah just that you i remember uh on a previous podcast you're talking about uh that mma fighter Of course. I mean, there are some men that are way more feminine, and if they transition to a transgender

1:47:05 Testosterone replacement therapy was erroneously allowed. young healthy man milligrams to nanogram whatever the fuck that right but whatever the the measurement it wasn't always restricted. Oh, it was. um and then they started doing urine tests and urine tests are essentially an intelligence test You have made us want to look deeper into this thing.

1:49:43 They're doing it because they want to clean up the sport. Because the sport is a huge image issue. then you're requiring people essentially to compete at a fair level you're acquiring them to He's adding it to it. is because he was taking extra testosterone and it forced his endocrine to damage your opponent right and if you can give someone that lets them damage their opponent

1:52:49 It's not a gray, it's not a black and white issue. Right. would you watch it rather would you watch it i'd, dude. I couldn't say I wouldn't watch it. I'd watch everything. Yeah, I mean, what am I going to do? hey, what should I do? and I wouldn't want a dangerous maybe. And that was the essence of what the UFC, what made the UFC so special. But back in the day, he was a martial artist

1:55:37 but I guess I've just personally, I feel like I could fairly accurately predict the outcome But let's take Hicks and Gracie so it's skill level is relative yeah it's a huge issue in the contest yeah yeah physical you gotta The pound for pound list is very subjective. But a lot of people don't think of him as number one because he fights at 125 pounds.

1:57:44 Oh, my God. Demetrius is doing things perfect Yeah like if you scaled up Demetrius Oh my god Right Is relatively small land big shots even the best guys go down even Kane Kane got clipped by one punch by Junior The whole knockout thing, it seems like UFC's changed a lot, right? That happens sometimes. guy's career is tied into his ability to knock out,

2:00:04 Yeah, the best guys win. Just beat his ass. There's so many guys in that division. Damian Maia climbed the ladder fast by submitting people. Whether or not he's the best in the world, in mma the ability to get people excited about watching you fight is it's an aspect of fighting Or they think that he does too many stupid shit, stupid things that are contrary to this

2:02:43 He put Leota Machida to sleep. I know. Do you fear that if it moves too far If Conor McGregor wasn't skilled, he wouldn't be getting as much hype. But when he beats your ass for five rounds, He feels awkward on camera. It's true. And now you're not just training at the gym. and they put it on, you go, oh, well, that guy has these thoughts. dumb his tweets are really wow they really they are really dumb his tweets but it's fascinating

2:05:52 Okay. Arguing for evolution with some other baseball player. Well, then you tell us what the fuck it has to do with, because none of the shit that he said was offensive. Yes. He wasn't saying, he wasn't anti-religion. oh he wasn't saying he was he wasn't anti-religion How many biologists have to come on board? It's not your Twitter. I go, you out of your fucking mind.

2:09:09 You can't tweet for me. And it's just to let everybody know that video's getting uploaded. The endorsement? How disgusting I've been accused of that And I tweeted it You can't like anything. Because people are, What did I mean to say by that? No. and there's legitimate criticism they you know and that's also a fucking especially when it comes to twitter it's 140 characters and

2:12:49 you're writing this or when you're saying this i want to see someone challenge you on it and see Yes. The authorities will be called. Yes. disagrees in the comment section ban them and create this fucking echo chamber and it's so It's for UNICEF. fucked anybody over right you know like what did i just open myself up to right because there's like billions like they're huge but on the positive side a way to evaluate a charity is to see how much money actually makes it to the people that you're supposed to be helping as

2:17:53 Or like 80%. Sketchy charities out there. And I'm like, do you remember when Wyclef Jean was running for fucking president of Haiti? I don't know, man. Yes, it should be. Quake in Haiti. and other Yale board and staff members, the fundraiser that he organized he got a hundred thousand dollars he had himself paid one hundred thousand dollars for a fucking fundraiser well i'd like to

2:21:40 That's probably it. It's, I don't know. Yes. the poor don't you want a piece of that doesn't your that doesn't your psyche require that that seems crazy yeah this is one of the benefits of the distribution of information and things Cash, too. is fucking rocking with 98 percent 92 90 that's amazing the crazy thing is though i still did the Wish Network.

2:25:04 It's just, you know, there's so many vultures out there. Like you're doing it. In what way? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like whether it's from Ferguson or this fucking CBC guy that's beating chicks up or Bill Cosby drugging people and raping them. Seems convenient. Yeah, you need to be aware. getting getting out and then us talking about it And it's just gathering steam right now.

2:29:10 That the crime was more than 25 years ago, right? I mean, he has to take Viagra to rape now. Did you see the Associated Press thing? We don't discuss these things, and I was relying on your integrity. Is that evil? Ooh, scary. The way he responded to it is like, we don't discuss these things, and I was relying on your integrity. I'm talking to you, man.

2:30:50 didn't do it this did i mean i feel like i'd be on that stand or whatever yes and i would not stop The minute it starts to be labored and it starts to be contrived, you have to immediately say, what's the need for the show? for decades yeah he had a system. I have three fucking You know, How would you react? And he would be in some sort of a full body cast.

2:32:45 He was in the AIDS movie. He's Magic Mike. that early 90s a black girl gets raped by a bunch of hillbillies. They raped her that badly. Yep. would any part of you worry that the story you were getting and then victimize a woman by drugging her, and then doing what you want to do with her body, them irreparably this is only worse like when you take away someone's ability to

2:36:03 Yeah. that like what is rape what it really is is not sex it's a power yeah it's a power and that's that situation if you were the guy who's interviewing him would you push it am i me or me personally, I can't help but not give into that. Yeah. Right. The only antidote for that is them eventually wanting to get caught so that they could say, Right.

2:40:26 murder porn i completely agree i completely agree with him because i watch it and i go uh Is it possible to get to a point where we eliminate things like murder, They don't have a choice. What, you know, what genes? he ended up in all this and his reason for molesting or uh raping his two boys To get back at their wife for they've killed their kids.

2:43:58 himself and uh it's almost like the dude uh you know, you have your traditional mindset of like what a pedophile is like. harms you what what where does it go and how can that be prevented and just becoming you okay How did this guy soak in and stay? make the argument that he was always like that but in his particular case the thing that affected me

2:46:10 I mean, it's not possible. That's the freaky part. Yeah, I mean, what goes into creating a you? down a bad road which could send you to another awful thing which can send you down a bad road which could send you to another and have no evil and no crime and no rape and no murder and all done? other things to do it for us a million years from now isn't it possible that we can evolve past this

2:49:32 but don't you think like this this riot thing that's going on this closing of highways all I skated through. He didn't. Yeah. But ultimately, you can't really have a healthy society That's a great question. before okay go ahead was it something like 40 000 or 35 34 34 yeah anything more than 34 000 We're dealing with it. I mean, it's real. I mean, can you feel guilty about being born lucky?

2:53:22 You know what I'm saying? I feel lucky every day. Because that's one of the things about Mexico. Those people are really unhappy. The people have to deal with the drug lords. It seems don't get happy. Those people are really unhappy. It could be July. You need the sad to have the happy. There might not be sex. Yeah. you wonder like the sedentary lifestyle like everybody works on a computer. Who the fuck, what profession doesn't require a computer or smartphone?

2:57:07 we started using these chairs. Another thing they do is they have these chair or these tables rather that you They sent us these chairs. Mine's called a Vert desk. Still not natural. Like the body is a is a problem like the body is just We did three hours. Unbox Therapy on YouTube. Bye. Later.