Joe Rogan Experience #596 — Brian Stann Transcript

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0:00 experience. And he just sent me this thing, saying. I mean, Conte has a bunch of numbers and ratios and what's normal and what's not normal. It was never supposed to happen like that. And they told me straight up, they said, look, yeah, there's definitely some indicators there, And they take it, and it's supposed to be like, this guy has it. If the collector's not fully trained and aware, then the second part is what lab do they send it to?

3:40 They're the ones who make the regulations at the Nevada State Athletic Commission number one pound-for-pound fighter, pretty much consensus in the world, Does it come through the microphone? Yeah. As far as skill level He was an Olympic wrestler, undefeated as a heavyweight and as a light heavyweight. You know, right now people say, hey, these could be indicators to something masking steroids.

6:37 wins this fight. Now they finally match me against guy who's going to beat him. Then you watch him a dominant victory, but it wasn't something where he Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, for me, I had to fight at a different weight class maybe you suspect were doing something, you know, for me, No. Vanderlei-Silva, who was an all-time great. they would not test you for steroids. Yeah. And you know, that's, you know, this, this has been

9:58 Because right now the environment in every professional sports pressures a lot of guys to go towards that avenue. You know, I I mean so the environment drugs. Now those guys that came from those days, now they have to adjust. We're going to find out. and gave at times a sport a black eye. breed is really starting to go away. And guys are starting to get randomly tested out of the blue.

13:46 I think it was 585 we said on UFC Tonight. And I'll tell you, from private meetings with Lorenzo Fertitta, he is very determined to find a way to make it work. You know, we've had They've botched it in areas already, so they know they don't need to do it. And there was all these photographs of him just looking different than he's ever looked before.

15:48 body. Explain the story with Kung Lee. We put it on. Good start to the day. And that's been a real good lesson learned for me It's not hitting Ustream. I don't know. And when you do it publicly, you invite every fucking troll and all these certainly dorks that But at the same time, you know, it's not one of those situations where it's going to make me back down from stating right from wrong in this sport and standing up for what's right.

19:18 Well, they ended up beating it because the way that the tests were handled It's really fascinating to me because the sport is, it's the most intense and the most, It's a fucking life-changing event. That's a lot of months of paying the mortgage debt. different than any other sport who are these people that that are capable of making that walk That's an issue, isn't it?

22:32 That would be a pretty cool, you know, to pull all the data, Absolutely. I think some guys just had it wrong back when I fought where, hey, I've got to go in there and brawl. They get inside the guard, make no attempt to pass to do more damage. into consideration when you watch a fight. it doesn't mean you have as much pop on your punch or your kick with that, you know, with that portion

25:33 And it's funny because Dr. D, who flies into all the events, he had to come right to my hotel room as soon as he got there. you know with with something torn in his body as well yeah and so you know you go in there round That even, you know, when I woke up want about performance enhancing drugs and he did run away van de lay suspended for life for folks who don't know the whole story he ran away from

27:28 But at the end of the day, they have an entire body of work to look upon. He saw him oiling. like 185 right any anything I mean literally if they could have put a tiger I mean, physically, he had a fucking tumor in his pituitary gland. still in there's throwing but he's he's a guy who legitimately needs it um fucking no gear we've we That dude is, I saw him in Rio just a few weeks ago.

30:17 Not just Brazilians, but everybody associated I mean, he showed how you could win fights off your back in the heavyweight division, I mean, he's fucking, he looks insane. in a judo headlock and just almost pulled his head off it was you know the old schoolyard the Yes If a guy gets you like that, especially a guy like Josh Barnett, who's got a ridiculous grip, he gets you in that position.

32:06 Bad dude. You know, when you see this, I mean, Cormier, Screen keeps going black over here, Jamie. It came back. And so we go to this tiny little gym, and it's got one of those really small cages. rules yeah i mean he bellied down immediately and popped right back up to his feet like he was on springs. Wouldn't even have been scored a takedown in wrestling rules. Yeah, yeah.

33:59 Like, he's never lifted weights in between fights, to my knowledge. training year round. It's really, really scary. I mean, the guy never lifts weights in between So, of course, I end up driving all the way up to upstate New York to try and train with John, He's like, oh, man, I watched all these YouTube videos of Muhammad Ali. At the time, I was still at light heavyweight,

36:03 is that you let it go in a way that very few guys do like you you let it go with many many I had to evaluate because, look, I played football for 14 years um got hit with a few ieds Now you're seeing a lot of guys who are training. and then the skill set. Fight as many times a year as you against me. And that takes away from your career, cuts it short, and it cuts down that window to

39:36 to win that fight for what they feel he'll need to do to win. He is such a good fighter, and Frankie shut him down. Of that every time a guy's punching you you can't breathe so every time a guy's punching you you're tightening up He's going to hit you with a bunch of them, and you're not going to be able to breathe. He's pretty pinpoint. You end up taking it square, and it rocks the jaw,

41:57 And the psychology, too. Nick Diaz, he doesn't care. And he'll admit he doesn't even like fighting. fucking fight just a question mark who the fuck knows what's gonna happen in that fight do it against Rafael dos Anjos, but but I'm not quite ready to count out Nick Diaz out of this fight just yet. And Anderson's leg snapped like a twig. And, I mean, it probably takes something out of your bones, too.

44:37 we've ever seen in the UFC, and his leg just snapped. from different kicks to submissions. Yeah. I don't know if they're true, but that's certainly The guy was doing two-a-days, he was running five miles, He threw a fucking flying knee in his opening move. arm bar on cormier i got a theory about that shit. My theory is that guys who grow up with brothers that beat the fuck out of them are just on a completely different level.

47:10 He was a state champion wrestler, I believe. You know, it's something about tangling with John doesn't care. John, you know, being in the locker room with him And in John's jiu-jitsu, and then two weeks later we're in Denver, Colorado for that camp, they'll always meet me at henzo's and they train there and the guys there will talk about it like you know uh you sit there in these classes and it takes me thousands of reps to get

49:51 Yeah. and you start out with knee on belly and see how long you can hold it. Jordan and he wrestled with Tyron Woodley and Ben Askren versus Missouri and he was younger than He was beating everybody so bad that the UFC camera said, because he's got that same funky style on the mat that these Missouri Tigers have. I help him get a job. poker traded company he's awesome so just doesn't have the desire to fight no you know he looks a

52:45 but he was never like an NCAA national champion or anything along those lines. is the scariest guy at 155 next to pettis in my opinion i can't wait for him to get healthy i mean You expect it. And Abel's a stud athlete. If you don't believe someone can stop you, it's so powerful. I mean, and it most likely will. I mean, they believe he's going to be back soon,

55:21 And that's the worst thing. Zero telegraph. We would go do these sand dunes at Jackson's at altitude. And the soul just comes sneaking right out the mouth. You can't do anything to stop it. Especially in MMA. you get hit, and you can kind of move with it, And this is when Crow Cop was fucking Crow Cop. kidneys and intestines and just don't you see that in like car wrecks yeah that's exactly what it looks like it looks like you get

58:54 That is the liver kick. I'd like to talk to Heath about that. it right underneath the elbow of your guard, pinpoint accuracy, and the fight is over. and it's not as hard, but goddamn, it's hard enough to knock you out. And what's their fast-switch muscle fibers like? Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, lifelong martial arts. Rory McDonald. They grew up doing it.

1:02:02 It's one of the best in the world. I mean, the guy got a hold of you, manhandled people. I mean, I've got like two feet. Yeah. And, you know, humping with big packs all the time in the military and shit builds up scar tissue all the time. needs like an hour to get ready just to train like Like he has a guy who travels with him, Apparently, they're getting way better at that.

1:04:52 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it happens. You could do the same thing with football. eyebrows and say, are you sure you want it? You really are going to do that? We all know everything we're up against. It's just like you ever see that Alex Honnold guy Like, he goes at an angle the wrong way like he goes at an angle like 15 degrees them feel more comfortable while doing it, you're on your own.

1:08:38 Has he found a way to monetize them? Every time I do this, I plot my strategy. fucking powder you know i don't even do kettlebells without this shit. This guy's climbing 5,000 or so, I don't know how many fucking feet he is right here. bag at the top for them. you're probably fucked. Oh, yeah. stop you can't nerf the fucking world. You're going to die no matter what.

1:12:02 You know, I called one season of college football. I was the wedge breaker on kickoff team. Who knows? We couldn't even use it anymore. It's a very, very bizarre thing that, I mean, if you look at the 2003, He just got destroyed. And then he collapses and everybody cheers. kids. We got a bunch of dads Oh, yeah. studies on chimpanzees where they have murder with chimps and things like that. And so some

1:15:26 you know, basically making fun of the Muslim religion. You know, and it's huge news. And so. him and you're fucking you know you're suspect or you're subject to this kind of shit it's incredible And that is part of the problem with us getting involved in conflicts over there, where, look, and you could see Vietnam you could see they're just so much more used to violence that, that not, and I shouldn't generalize everybody,

1:19:14 grow up in certain environments that becomes how they live and we're adaptable as hell oh yeah i And I mean, the video is disgusting. That takes something inside that is sickening, that is frightening. chimpanzees, you know, they'll kill to protect environments or property. Overthrow, overthrow I mean, and it's not just, you know, I certainly don't want people at home to think we're generalized in the Middle East.

1:22:12 And there's areas of the world that give us a window into the past, what it must have If you were there right now in one of those areas where warlords are tearing into villages and macheting people to death, Absolutely. It was on the news where America's pulling out of the Vietnam War. neighborhood that uh had been to vietnam and i talked to them about it and everybody was

1:24:25 And so people weren't really aware of how the world works and how much bloodshed is required in order to keep peace in certain areas. I got in a discussion with a Harvard law grad today about it. You know, and so it's hard to ever comprehend at this point. does to the mind, you know, and people will look at post-traumatic stress and the mind's not meant

1:26:45 policies are made, you know, based on political timelines, vice when they're actually needed. or Chechnyan rebels killing Russians with a knife. Did you, when you enlisted and you went over, was this a part of, like, sort of the same drive that led you to be a fighter? And the Naval Academy was free. You graduated, you either went in the Navy or the Marine Corps and you would deploy.

1:29:27 You signed up because you felt like those were people that you would relate to more. When the war started, you know, I could have easily chosen to go, you know, I could have gone sophomore, he was killed. And then while I was in infantry officer course, a guy I graduated, was in Japan. I'm not even going to name the fighter because I don't want to insult anybody.

1:31:46 There were two schools in our area of operations that never had school because if the teachers taught, they'd be killed. 90%, I mean, you don't even see the enemy in these kinds of wars. It's snipers, it's IEDs, using there, who their informants are, how to catch them, what time you can catch them. And that was They're helping to clean up the garbage.

1:33:53 this country you never hear that you're you're getting the support of the people and that that's Oh, absolutely. are a lot of people that wanted us to be there. There were a lot of people that had there are people in the Muslim religion that don't believe like that they don't I mean, what argument have you ever been in where you're 100% right? stuff it's so hard when when that's ingrained in a culture and people are fighting for it and willing

1:37:33 There's got to be some kind of political agenda involved, which is, you know, it's one of if they found out that all the world's, you know, When we go, we're criticized. I mean, we're, you know, it's, you know, there, there's always a lot more details Isn't that crazy? They're— ideally we shouldn't be in the first place. that with all the blunders and the mistakes

1:40:34 have to fucking pick up and carry the ball. Yeah. And it's going to fuel the argument of, Israel are never going to stop going back and forth, which is one of the reasons they hate us well, they got rid of that asshole. I don't know if you had a chance to take a look at Yeah, and incredibly frustrating. You've experienced it. You know, you don't want to believe any of the conspiracy theories, etc.

1:44:25 would have been the right decision, but it's all just really, really sad. And we, we elect people I mean, Marion Barry came back as the mayor of Washington, D.C. And if you talk to the people that are involved in the rebuilding, they're like, look, we're Yes, they've they absolutely do here's part of the problem. I don't think anybody is fucking qualified to be a cop

1:46:45 are qualified for that fucking job. And we are, we are flawed. but nobody wants to discuss the way, hey, guys, that guy definitely tried to get the gun from the cop i mean he had uh he he was shot in his You get knocked out cold and you look fine. nobody seems to have any incentive to go in and try to fix. we scrutinize the living hell out of them.

1:50:06 conversations with kids who did grow up in neighborhoods like this, and you try and have One is a platinum-level school, and the other one is an D minus level school. I mean, one of them should definitely be platinum schools. Our school should be phenomenal. You know, you've got this 10 year thing, which makes it really hard to fire And we're giving them no incentive.

1:52:37 know, have all sorts of criminal pasts and all sorts of drug problems and violence. And these Imagine you're doing this for $35,000 a year or whatever the fuck they're getting paid. My older sister, she was a teacher I mean, you can only guess. The areas where we put the least amount of resources in this country and when you look at I mean providing for themselves and paying taxes and you know it's it's what you said you know having a

1:55:31 I mean the war on drugs is a perfect example of that and I think that if we could figure out a way to They locked up Lauryn Hill from the fucking Fugees. god you know we've got in america we've got five percent of the world's population 25 percent though We have a drive for discovery. I mean, it's the opposite of how it is in California. with just a horrible standard of living.

1:58:58 They're very capable of doing that. Yeah. Isn't it kind of a crazy situation we find ourselves in, especially today with social media I'll tell you, I run a company, and the people that we bring into the company, or somebody didn't show up for work. They're not going to panic about it. That's small to them. the Anthony Wieners up there. Well, this fucking

2:01:40 comes out and I don't want to get too far off subject, but I said, you know, they asked, this guy jeffrey epstein uh was accused of luring underage girls to his... He had some retreat somewhere, but I spent time with a guy who's worth $2 billion. I'm going to go ahead and do it. Look, he had that sickness. Mike Tyson said it best. there's going to be a lot of temptation.

2:04:03 And, you know, I've got certain protocols. CTS-V, you ever drive one? Sorry, Cadillac. It's never lost. I mean, that urge that men have to procreate, that's the reason why there's people. without some fucking kid that I have to clean their diaper. Yeah. I couldn't imagine You know, I didn't love going to war. They inspire me. and just tell you, I love you, Daddy.

2:08:10 unless you have a kid. I believe there's a lot of people that they can contribute to this society to this culture to this world without ever procreate Little human beings that I... the way I think about it now. gonna get their heart broken one day or what happens here you know i had a i had a friend of It's brutal. itself out? What is that? There's something with it. Your natural testosterone count is so high.

2:11:35 estrogen me too surrounded it's in it's an incredible it's it's a weakness it's yeah i where we're trying to figure out how to get along together. But meanwhile, they are men. Perfect example. and against you know god says that gay men should not be married it's an abomination It's important. God rest their souls rest in peace The hottest chick with the ugliest scar.

2:14:56 difficult it is and i'm getting into it and and i could see his wheels turning like he's getting It wasn't easy. It's like, I don't understand that world. I appreciate that. He goes, she was really hot. You know, I mean, he's a good guy. It's pretty simple. Ah! It makes you really understand and appreciate, Toxic masculinity. I've heard this expression many times. Like, what are you fucking talking

2:18:43 as it doesn't any guy that likes to compete in an aggressive sport must be Plenty of them. in it with a puppy that's that's the better choice and you're you're wrong for being the I don't give a shit. I don't know what it's like to want to love a man. I mean Compete in martial arts or do you know whatever the fuck it is that they decided was? We make it harder because then you look at all these these new things that we have that really bolster insecurity.

2:22:44 I mean, I can't call a fight card. I mean i mean look we're talking for seven and a half hours seven and a But there's so many people out there that are just looking to point a finger, Who knows who they are? taken a camera photo of that picture, Well, and the thing is, too, But there are guys out there, you know, I don't want to name any names, understand. But I think this ability to reach people and to express your opinion, it's way more valuable than it's negative.

2:25:18 One of the things that people need to consider, but, man, I want to watch it live. So it was one of those difficult things where with the monitor, So there's lots of things going on during that seven-hour period that can also lead to a distraction or lead to a misstep. I watched that Phil Davis-Leota Machida fight the other day. before his fight uh with CB Dalloway you know he's had to adapt his style a little bit because he had a whole bunch of really contested decisions.

2:28:12 He's had to get more aggressive. No. Now I look at these dudes now, I mean, they're almost all like that anymore. No. The threat of the takedown certainly opens up your arsenal more and limits Lioto's, and he moves in and he moves back. on a counter strike and knock somebody out i mean that's understanding the range of your opponent northeast, gritty dude.

2:31:02 and Ray Long goes, he's a motherfucker. That'd be a great Reebok. He's the gym. That'd be a great Reebok. He's got his wife, his kids up there. who could beat that there's almost no one he just tells himself to go forward. He is. And that's one of the things that I love about this sport. getting it all beaten out of you also the aggression that you expend in the gym to just

2:34:15 And it would give you this perspective on your life. They're fucking fingering people and laying on a horn, screaming. I bet not. They just don't. get kids get nervous I would train I would train Marines and the first time I I mean, they get that fear and they get over it. i've spent some time with glazer who trains a lot of those nfl guys you mess around with them and

2:37:44 blown and flags are raised five scientifically possible like he says he only eats a salad and a bowl of soup. Yeah, one meal a day. head. And I know he's dealt with this in a variety of different ways, therapy. I don't know if he's I'm waiting on this really serious scientific response. yeah i mean the collisions that that guy was a part of are on record you can watch them

2:40:18 before the Athletic Commission steps in and says, people start bashing me for it. do you think that fighters should be required to film training sessions so that we can review so that we know exactly like if you're sparring like you I mean, how much does it cost to put GoPros in gyms? I mean, Marvin Eastman. But he catches him on the end of it. I mean, dropped, and he got hit in the same exact spot

2:43:22 I used to, you know, I've sparred with him. We're going to promote your fight. I have no idea who the guy is. Roy's hitting me with these overhand rights, and, dude, sand is still flying out of my ears. got no mouthpiece Forrest he's in the military he's got free dental chips my teeth I mean but I mean, that guy fought fucking hard and trained hard.

2:45:18 He gets himself there healthy. Look, things are changing. We're seeing more guys like that as well that understand, you know what? and he's not going to spar with anybody but me. him right up there with duane and with faras sahabi and you know all the matt hume all the Nope. And he's going to be coaching him now. people want to see him come out of character

2:48:23 to throw a punch? Is he leaning back with his chin held high? Does he get demolished? Does he fight up in the octagon? Is he scared? Is he afraid to throw a punch? Does he lean him back with his chin held high? It would be Cosby-esque. You can't fault him that organizations go and sign him. to do i've always said that that if Brock Lesnar did that,

2:49:50 someone throws a punch, I want you instantly to roll with it. I want it to be a part of your And you're like, ah, fuck. about a Gustafson rematch or a Rumble Johnson fight. but you gotta wonder does he i mean that, he's had a lot of injuries. And How about that double jab? Where the fuck Dariush. that shouldn't be good strikers have this bond with him because he's such

2:52:42 And, you know, was a great come in for a fight and grab kind of East Coast guys. And then we go to, who's the big puppet guy in Vegas? Thanks for nothing. They're funny, man. Listen, man, run for president, please. Maybe, ladies and gentlemen. Let me tell you some stories. Thanks for having me, man. I'm definitely looking into doing it. My pleasure. Thanks for having me, guys.