Joe Rogan Experience #601 — Katy Bowman Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. And you're here. Right. And you can see like Vancouver and Vancouver island right from where you're at yeah i could row a boat to canada if I have a limited amount of time so what if our food acquisition is But if you go up there, there's so much life, it's ridiculous. The sound wasn't working up until then? and this whole jazz.

3:31 200 organisms living in every foot footprint that you take there because it's just it's so deep Yeah, and even more, I guess, alarming to me is less the total water, because they're like, well, we got to dig for it. So they're living like they're camping for two weeks. Because you can find some small towns. And then, of course, as the wood is not being able to be replenished as fast as they've been taking it down.

7:09 The people who originally were there. gathering food and all that jazz yeah so it's huge a huge reservation land where we are so the salmon if they're spawning, it's just not hard to eat there. So I thought, what a great place. There's a little herd of them that lives in our town. They're the mascot of this little town. so that they can kind of track where they're going to be and light the sign up.

9:53 Then you're just roaming pets. No. like the neighborhoods maybe they're dumb maybe they're totally dumb well you'd be amazed at some such a rich abundance of animals and the people that rely on them for a large part of their food. couple minutes and right come on over I'll give you a ham I'll trade you the our friend Keith, he just reached down and he picked up the salmon like right out of the water.

12:48 because they're spawning. Oh. kind of walk up. Sort of wiggling on the ground. Yeah, or just amazing. And what I find interesting is, so salmon that they're raising in whatever they call it, like in the fisheries, you know, in the hatcheries, It's not really necessary. that's really more what the issue is. And as I did a little bit more research on that fin, that fin in particular deals with assisting swimming through very particular types of turbulence.

15:26 I don't know. and put collars on their elk. with what you do for a living? Does it have anything to do with what you do for a living? It's not like, you know, make sure you get these seven exercises into your workout. I just wanted less people, more space, less rules, less noise, more water. of mechanical input that, you know, gets this resultant shape. You know, and the difference

18:32 which there are not. to change that up. with regular chairs like that. And that's all healed up now, anything of that until i started doing this fucking podcast and i'm like sitting down all structure that you can't move your arm. It's really harder to see these invisible casts. So like by the time you look at your iPod or your iPhone, and you're looking at your computer,

21:40 You have one third of the classroom who can't see at ages six and seven. Kids are starting now to be put in glasses like in four and five years old because they've been looking. itself is a different variable in something that you don't, it's not a load to the eye that we're very experienced with. I mean, we're not distance lookers at all anymore. not i mean it's not an inevitable thing that's why they're working on the literature for it so the

24:10 So yes, they are calling for that intervention. your shoulder in towards your upper arm. Same thing goes with the eyes. You know, That's a really common thing with folks. have to pull because I would always take my wallet out of my pocket and then sit time. Like, okay, what the fuck? And then on the release, You know, let me figure out a way around this.

27:57 people. I had terrible posture, like most of my life until I started getting back issues. And one in a culture that doesn't move at all right so it's really like what's the optimal way to be you know, um, along those lines it's so super important yeah form form is huge during your workout and all which it almost makes it incomprehensibly difficult to like be healthy, to be fit, to be, to have, you know, a body that

31:34 and so you take it out. A man's dress shoe is almost two full inches. you wouldn't have this big torque there as well. Those just go away. Like what does it matter what they are? What are they called, MBTs? You don't want your shoes to be throwing you forward so that you don't have to expend as much energy to do it. skateboard shoes flexible flexible no there's a little bit of a bottom to that right yeah there's

35:13 And your movement should be much more reflexive than it's happening right now. Being in a work environment, an office is a cast. shit. What about those toe shoes? workouts barefoot. Oh, that's great, I do all my workouts barefoot. You drop things on your feet, normally you're fucked anyway. stomp on my feet all the time when I'm barefoot around the house.

37:24 She knows how to turn her hips because I've taught her how to really generate force. Well, when they're six, they feel like you're invulnerable. punching bags and stuff all you want but i want them to like specifically target areas like this People are weird when they're sitting around barefoot, though. Well, he's always stretching. He's a jiu-jitsu master so

39:36 No, the class action lawsuit was that the woman who brought about the class action said that the advertising implied that all you had to do was buy the shoes that you didn't that you didn't have to figure out how to use your body differently Like, oh, come on. better athlete. Those blades, like, a lot of people feel like you can actually run faster with those things on

41:23 around with no limp it was so Like if she had like this artificial hand that looked exactly like a real hand is just a different color So if you have these regular legs, we can give you an operation, Yeah, someone's going to do that. Someone's going to just suck your head right out of your brain right out of your head and stuff it into this thing and boom, you're just going to be like piloting around this

43:16 talking about so it's kind of my my territory just to to see what people are coming up with They're participating in the system. but it also has a role within the system. there's a lot of people who don't eat any fat as a whole category of a micronutrient and then We figured out that we can get them their connective tissue to stop bleeding profusely

45:57 And walking would have been the thing that you would be doing most often. the way that you move and then the way that the cells express themselves, their genetic expression There's nothing that the orca can do now And so our structure, our definition of fit and healthy is like the the peak that this That is the necessary input for being an orca. And when I took my arm out of the cast,

48:50 And so that's, what's happening to this, this poor things. Yeah. And, and everyone that, you don't use your muscles, they just decide, oh, we don't need these, and they shrink down. And so that's what's happening to this poor thing's fin. And everyone that you know. Even people that you know who have a ton of muscle mass, it's just compared, the distribution of

49:32 which are, you know, like the level one for a species, like the survival of a species. Their environment has been radically changed. and so there's like these basic in psychology tests like you've probably seen them where they've It's not an optical illusion to them. You're not supposed to walk. different muscles and yeah it's different well i uh one of the first times uh i went hunting i went

53:07 and you get exhausted like you think you're in shape like you could do all No, we've gotten rid of everything anything Like you're going up hills in shoes probably. because that first level of carrying or picking up or hauling out or doing anything is traction. get any stronger to carry that because it's, again, it's this limited flat and round thing.

55:55 There's gotta be some sort of cross training for the hands. It has nothing to do with the amount your joints flex. would actually like this is the weight of a log it's like great go pick up a log so we should You are. It's a 135-pound rock, and he carries it up to the top of a mountain. Or sometimes he just picks this rock up and puts it on his shoulder

58:25 whole body is going to be trained is if I do my training time symmetrically, if you were just moving all of the time, kind of in nature, you would balance out naturally because you'd never based on what they want to look at and where they want to go, Damn, five miles. Now, do they, like, wrap you? And they could hold on. but I don't care. A six-year-old and a four-year-old, I hoist them up on my shoulders and

1:01:06 But then when I throw it over my left shoulder, it slumps down and it's awkward. You know they look at bones of people. Like my friend Steve Maxwell, he's worked with a lot of people that have issues with their back and stuff. and the other side is getting virtually no movement in the same direction. think it's probably more people like you now that are interacting with these guys and teaching them

1:03:21 If you're going to keep challenging the muscles to get longer to different shape than you would have been had you are are in entirely different shape than you would have been For whatever reason, your body just does not want to learn that as an older person. doing those movements. but your bone shape and all that it entails is set really for life at that point.

1:06:06 and the shape that facilitates it tends to come from the areas that create whatever the sport is to those movements better i i think that there is because you are malleable really as a structure A hundred. Do people have a built-in limitation as far as their flexibility or is it simply a matter of or their ranges of motion are in way different planes than they would be. So like you can still have 50 degrees of hip motion,

1:09:07 You lift your leg up and bring it across this way. but this guy was such a dedicated athlete you can't get flexible. frequency I mean I think the easiest way to say is it's it's all changeable but bone in its socket and all the support tissues like those it takes a while to adapt it takes a Well, everybody wants a pill. You know, we want to put more food in our fat faces.

1:12:20 and you can't just pop something in there And she, you know, has a business and blah, blah, blah. Like everything gets infected. the doctor telling me, oh, you're going to, we're going to have to fuse your disc. Like you're going doing the same things that got us to where we are in the first place. in human physiology or something. So, like, as you're at your office, you can do this and you can just go back and sit down and you move around.

1:15:10 Then everyone's like, I'm never going to sit down ever. The literature is like, make sure you take a small walk You know what? I tell people all the time that they should do their phone calls walking like Even China, right? That whole EMF thing, they wanted to put some EMF weapons up in our woods there. and it's uh ethical i guess And I've seen some other smaller studies on fetuses, you know,

1:17:54 Why do you keep it by your head to wake you up? Imagine if people just show up like years from now, everyone has ass cancer in your you're experiencing Wi-Fi signals, radio signals. their ability to communicate. It's almost like living next door to people that are just playing Everything is just messed up by these signals that we're creating for whatever, you know, they're, they're tangible, they're invisible.

1:20:40 stuff well there's a weird feeling that you get when you get to a completely deserted place, unforgiving it just doesn't give a fuck if you're around or not around it's like that silence for We try to go dark like two days a week. and you just go out and spend more time outside than inside, Maybe, maybe. And we had determined that it was a tree that fell.

1:22:29 Were they felling trees? I'm tapping out. especially where you are in the Pacific Northwest, you're dealing with, you know, some of those trees are like a thousand years old. Well, almost the whole planet used to be wooded, right? We've Like all of the British military ships came from lumber from the Pacific Northwest. You can use some cartilage that grows back, but if you take it all the way down to the bottom to the base cells, no more is coming back.

1:24:29 There's a bunch of companies make them, but one of them that I'm friends with is Green Mountain Grills. those are pain in the ass like you got to like regulate the openings the valves and make sure because you're actually, it's real, it's not – like that's the big issue with using any sort of lighter fluid or anything like those ones that are like easy match charcoal briquettes.

1:26:08 But your house is warm. Well, but they're regrowing them. It's just a commodity. What's the oldest tree? Oh, there you go. Huh. Just knowing that this thing was a seed and that seed became this tree. That's just a weird like Boulder County will actually buy that land Yeah, but everyone's scared of bears. My husband did a big motorcycle trip. Yes. See everything.

1:30:44 you get out and help that person because that could be you right whereas if you're I mean, you really do need a tribal situation. in front of a thousand people town, and then I was in Southern California for a long time and never really felt It's probably something in China, like as far as population-wise. is like Singapore or something like that. What is it? Hong Kong?

1:33:39 I think it might even be less about numbers of that safety or, you know, everyone taking responsibility for people that you live with, Yeah. Hey, man, what's going on? Became friends with some of them along the way. But it's like, ideally I've always said I'm like, why'd you move over there, dummy? you know, in New York, I have friends who they go out to eat for most of their meals, right?

1:36:33 Yeah, that's a big thing with people. so if he wants to play golf has to go to this storage place and open up his little spot with a key and go in and get his junk. Who can make medicine out of herbs? Is there any medicine any good that you can make out of herbs? Like what is out here that people have known about for forever that no one knows about anymore?

1:38:22 Sure. the guy's in the woods, plenty of stuff to eat out there. No, and who is that guy that, is it John McClannis, to be able to do it. And you expend so much energy trying to get it that you have to eat Right. Because it's fucking hard to get food. you didn't have food with you and you were going on these days with no success, you would be fucked.

1:41:25 Like, that had to be, like, touch and go almost every day. somebody should invent a way to make music out of a box. You know, let's make a piano. which allows you to learn about how to live in the wild. So it requires a whole new, I mean, society. three hours a day. And I think as people are, you know, as businesses are laying off people or are But then for the up-and-comers, there's not a lot of jobs for those up-and-comers.

1:44:50 And I think the work day in general with the commute, with the digital commute, hours a day, but I'm getting the same shit done. But we don't really reward people sort of, well, aren't we paying people less who are working way like who doesn't work like seven days a week who He's like, I was done. Like, I sent you this at 10 o'clock at night. like is every company ever come to you and said hey like we would like to

1:48:04 You don't have to sit like roving desks. That was a big one, I guess, of the 9 to 5. You don't have to sit, like, roving desks. And there's my golf club. How do we fix this, Katie? Yeah, you're really banking on that, huh? this vision problem, this irritation with my family or whatever it is, when you go outside Oh, you're crazy. How do you watch Netflix?

1:50:29 No. We're one of those weirdos. Me too. and keep the pelvic shape and the low back shape that I wanted I'll sit in a chair or I'll stand at the counter. Someone would call it some animal's name. And it's like I would say that you have too much repetitive geometry, which is different, you know. Do your kids like, Mommy, I go over to my friend's house and they have chairs.

1:52:47 They're too busy trying to figure out how to not be sick with these clogged up filters. waste and then moving it out of your body. It's laying right next to your It's only in recent times that we have it needed to move. A nature school. They do all their work outside. So you just use an umbrella? fire and- I am the woodsy-est. I just, like, kids move, like, movement.

1:55:53 And they could hang and climb and suspend themselves, you know, by the time they're one. A low table? Set on the floor with a That's true. Well, I mean, I have decor, but no, I don't have couches. Do you think your head should be out in front of you like that the whole entire time? So in that way, I move at night just like any other animal. vacation my husband's like turn on the television yeah i love it but it's like dessert it's like

1:58:16 input you are missing well i get it every night on the ground so i'm not missing i'm not missing And so you stiffen and react to it kind of like if someone pushes on you really hard, is you're kneading out knots and different scar tissue and blockages that have happened from else. And then someone working on, you know, three inches or. Well, I have a pad at all then.

2:00:58 All the time. It took me a year to get rid of my pillow, right, because it was tight through the neck. we think that a lot of low back pain is coming from these repetitive sleeping positions on, It's not with a pillow. Like it's mattress. How about just sitting on the floor instead of it? are like 4% better than the people who don't move at all. So there's like all this space

2:04:06 It turned out to be better. I'm still tripping out of the fact that your kids don't get sick. like what we vision being sick is is the coping mechanism it's like a sluggish immune system so Not yet. breastfeeding so there's lots of other things that I do I'm not really a don't doer I'm more like people don't want to vaccinate their kids, you're seeing this mega resurgence. Yeah. Well, I mean,

2:07:28 offices but you say they travel all over the world well they travel all over the world that's It's interesting that we have these ideas about what diseases we need to be gravely concerned about. zoo like we don't see that like you're you. The way that you are interacting with the disease has a lot to do with the state of the being that you're bringing to the disease.

2:09:15 Mostly, I think, for the first couple years of their life, like they're, they're regular kids. It's just it's just slightly. It's just this kind of our our odd our oddness They're ridiculously healthy. It's actually good to expose your kid to sick kids. get to an overload point Well, he just went to bed Yeah, or, you know, had to stay home from school

2:12:17 I remember taking antibiotics once a quarter, like, a lot. So I thought, I mean, I just thought the same thing. diet like like what do you eat same thing as the kids a lot of fat a lot of um do you i mean this Oh, Christ. Real weird. time but i don't go out of my way to make it, to put it in there for them. Meanwhile, if you had to eat that now, you'd be like,

2:15:18 up in a different time like there were no computers like I didn't really sit than her hips. You know, it's going to be really how she thinks, So it's a model that they've had in Germany for a long time. hike sometime and he was telling me the names of the trees and stuff like stuff that I didn't even that you know I'm a scientist so I like that, you know, I'm a scientist, so I like that.

2:18:09 And then it's done that to such a degree that you've done it where you've gotten rid of Now you're going crazy. No. What about if you need stitches or any of the things along those lines? Digging in you with a needle and thread. It's not like that. Well, it makes it very comfortable and supported, you know, while you're laboring. A lot of people can't get into them.

2:20:22 Again, that— trying to figure it out like we still don't know a lot of basic things about how this species works is based on movement of the vessel in which it's in. because we are so still. Is that what it is? You know, were you squatting for a long period of time? So like squatting is something that's totally natural for humans, you know, for your martial arts class,

2:23:59 So getting pregnant women off the couch and onto a floor. So just sit on the floor in that position that you're doing. baby you have to be up and moving around with that weight in order to adapt to it where you've tried to labor and it's not happening, you move to a cesarean, that's pretty normal. Okay. I mean, you freeze it until it's hard. I mean, it has to have some place

2:27:37 You don't eat it, though? So like movement and geometry, like as opposed to like eating my placenta, I didn't do that. Well, that's definitely what it is with certain animals like deer. as an example it's like bees aren't they're not actively triggers milk production like who knows right who knows what it's in so when you there's when you look at a population of

2:30:06 that we don't know that things are very easily dismissed as like we know the reason or that's it's just like that it's just part of the part of the reflexes that we come with that have kept us You don't even have to work any muscles differently. better when you do that, that it's part of the system. And without that, then you have to start It takes a while. Yeah, because you have to work against the technology of a toilet it's like sometimes you can read a book or go answer a few tweets it takes a while yeah because you have to work against the technology of a toilet that's interesting

2:33:13 You wanted to show that you had more affluence, that you weren't as barbaric. I mean, I think everything is beneficial. It's just that what I'm more concerned about is what's, And so as people get more and more You're eliminating them and you're you're doing it from the jump with your children. I find that very fascinating. Yeah. Well, I mean is a bed

2:36:06 Right. That'd be weird. If you ever try to drive That's a big one. you know, alignment in your car is like when you're, the two are tighter than they should be because I always do the same thing with my left arm. So I none really in that I have really eliminated structured exercise time out of my life. But if you plotted my body on a graph, what you would see is probably five miles of walking a day,

2:39:40 repetitively. They're distributed throughout the day and they're held sometimes for three or four So if you go out and hike a couple miles, again, carrying or hurting kids, like, it does stay. What can I consume in a short period of time that keeps my heart muscles strong? a little weight or stay active or sweat a little bit what i'm talking about is like optimizing

2:42:25 Well, again, I think it's about how you're using the word optimization. So optimization to me, where you can have people who have huge vo2 max capacity because So there's a lot of health tradeoffs that occur when we train for performance Like the size and shape of your bones is small already. But they're not mutually exclusive. their muscles get to the point where the tension the resting tension is higher than what it should

2:45:50 And you've had these kids for hours. That's ridiculous. or full body movements and things along those lines. Yeah. I mean, I'm fascinated by your approach, but I just wonder how practical it would be for I have a podcast and a blog and write books and stuff. where just managing me and what I produce and speaking. you're just constantly jumping in So he's a copy editor and just kind of a jack of all trades,

2:49:04 the character of the big Lebowski is, he's kind of like, he's kind of like that guy. He's kind of like the Big Lebowski. My husband is very similar to, if you know who the character of the Big Lebowski is. He's kind of like that guy. He's like the Yeah. Be the Pacific Northwest. Now it's Oregon now and a couple of other places it's going to become legal too. I think what

2:50:25 kids can still train we can all train so they just kind of swing your way to the kitchen yeah Yeah. It's the first time I ever told anyone publicly that I don't. Really? I just, vaccines. that think that the protocols that we instill as far as like everyone being subscribed to the same protocol like that's probably not the Like that's not my bag at all.

2:53:31 where uh... some parents want to criticize people that are raising their that for the way that we want to raise our kids and I and I I don't have any and so here's the environments that we're changing. with me it's just unless you really I mean it's hard to manage those things And what's lacking is the social cues. Anyone who does that, like, okay, your input is, it's not valid because your input, like this

2:56:13 And you're doing so in a very insulting way. And the people that do, the overwhelming number of negative comments. shitty and insulting but the the intelligent discussions that the large majority of intelligent in in support of terrorism or criticizing their government they They arrested a comedian recently But the communities that we have Yeah. I was raising my children as colonists because I didn't have furniture.

2:59:27 No. I'm going to have to really go over it. Bookstore, Amazon. It was a lot of fun. Mwah.