Joe Rogan Experience #603 — Justin Wren Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. Man, I'm excited to be here. coming in with some sort of funky jungle virus. How do you get that? Whoa. Yeah. drawn to see what kind of parasites are still in me still recently yeah yeah that's just a few days So the mosquitoes, the bugs, the parasites, everything can mess with you. one of the toughest times of my life, but I

3:47 um and then whenever i finally did urinate in uganda it was after i got the right medicine 70% of your blood was parasites. yeah absolutely man it was it was really good like I mean, the pilot that flew me out, it was actually on Thanksgiving of 2013, and he flew me out, just me and him on the plane. And he found out that they're misdiagnosing me, that my buddy there was like, the doctors don't know what's going on with him. He's going to die if we don't get him out of here to a good hospital.

5:39 You think it's still happening from over a year ago? the flu or something like that malaria might go come here you got them back yeah and that would Don't ever watch that show. there's angels floating around me I couldn't figure out what it was and then You drink it, you would swear that they have some sort of sugar in it. They give him pills. And he's walking around

8:19 Something like that? Unless we're in some Donner Party type situation and you die first. They also said that even mentally, taking them for a full year they and technology to really see that because whenever i got, we're flying and I'm hugging a bucket. And I think it just prevented my peripheral vision from from really functioning or working but then you drink something, you vomit it up.

11:16 But the older ones were just going off of the results and they're like no look you wanna see the first test second test third Do you know that malaria has killed half of all the people that have ever died? That's crazy. He would buy young kids from who? Yeah. So he got off the security guard, I think. Like they would go and they would have to have protection.

14:34 being eaten like did you draw art about that yeah i think i think there's one confirmed story so i take a person who would never throw a molotov cocktail or break a window or stomp a cop to death or whatever, community surrounds the thief. But the danger happens whenever someone wants to take justice Well, I say smaller, but I think 50,000 people were killed there just in that one town.

16:54 Like someone's got to, you know, give this guy some rooms, give him some space. There's a lot of that for witchcraft, too, right? It becomes doctrine, and they just pass it down through generation to generation, and they really believe in witchcraft. pygmies in eastern congo becauseuti pygmies in eastern Congo. And basically the Congolese army is just a bunch of rebel groups

19:30 or executed you know so they went back and started killing more raping more uh attacking more gold pygmy skulls, just drinking out of their, their skulls. became incredibly committed to helping them like you just felt like you were overcome with this, get sick or die or whatever in the process? Um, and, but on the way back, it just felt like, Second time, it was the university there,

21:43 And so the third time was whenever I came back how could we actually help them to continue to do it, If it's a nonprofit model, He's been back over teaching our team even more strategies of how to dig these water wells. dot com and they could just click donate and do there. We're going to be updating the site real soon. The number 4. Yeah, that's been a cool thing, but it's trying to be selective in the process because, I mean, funding is something that, yeah, we definitely need.

24:49 sustainable to really continue change um my mind frame is that opportunity is much better than but, but it's, uh, I think it's a great organization. Um, and, and I didn't turn the um i also think that what does it look like pull it up james yeah you say it wraps around your neck So see how you have to put your face on the ground right there on LifeStraw?

27:03 So he can just drink through that straw? take it in and say to my my i i really think of the pygmies as my family i'm not going to go in It could be, things like that. It's a lot of work. There was $3,000 worth of mattresses donated to this hospital. it sounds like if you go back to the Jameson thing, it's like this long history of horrible which was awesome, so that we could get our PVC, our tools, all that out to the forest.

30:25 And they pay you. So after three and a half weeks, how did you resolve it? Fuck. into this kind of shit it's got to be really really frustrating yeah i mean it it absolutely is it's it's different than anything that we experience named babo had died and i had been holding them in my hands and so um i mean i've i've buried you So they just gave you a whole family there.

33:42 actually think Bob will happen after a girl named Little Mo happened before. huge bellies and it's just full of tapeworms, other kinds of bacterias and things like that. you don't absorb any of the nutrients from that banana you just ate. of a sudden legally in the name of somebody else? And so where's some land that we could get and documents and the negotiations and seeing that it's legally done and then all parties will get

36:55 people will come in and try to exploit that because they know the resources are in that area now? which is something cool because whenever we go in and we drill water wells, Well, their kids are dying of the same stuff, too. why are they getting help and so we're going gonna help everybody out let's let's come up together wow that's beautiful language these people that you're communicating with the kidneys and their

40:06 So I always have a translator right beside me. French there is is I mean I guess you could French would be good for me to learn it absolutely would because they mix in local language and they mix in French and all that other stuff. I mean, they're speaking English, and you'll pick out like one out of every four or five words that you you're pretty sure

42:08 That's what it's like. i'm pretty sure but that's what he was doing where i mean yes but that's what he was doing to keep people from being able to communicate with each other. to be and remember everyone in the class like fuck this nobody's going to adopt this you know we we we heard someone in afghanistan speaking total fluent english we would think of them way different than if you hear them in some crazy Arabic language we totally

45:08 yeah well they call us mazungus they both have diarrhea And so people will pride themselves on their culture, which I love cultures. Yeah, it's a spear. There's another picture of me standing by him, so you'll see. So there's the head. That is wild. I think he's probably around 12. And these people have a clean water well now. They either vomit or have to get the worms 10 of them and you can give one pill to each of them. And it's, it's not a fun process, man. They either vomit or,

48:36 right? And Ben's like, now they're being taught, you have a clean source of water, this is where you get your water from. of weave them in and out of the forest then what they do together is maybe they get leaves maybe They could just nail them with their bows and arrows. And it was just really fun crazy but they'll they'll go out and they'll look for the antelope or

51:52 So they make a small slit in the back of the arrow, and then they slide in a leaf that's formed just like a feather. And then what they use most, though, they would use the metal on smaller game. So I guess it could. Or the bloodstream, maybe, once you drain the blood out of it. So I've tried to go out on a couple of hunts with them, Most of the time everything barefoot.

54:20 it through the forest and step on stuff that i'm feeling through my boots, but they just they just keep going It's disgusting. with your heel but like that same impact on your shin would be very painful you know it's kind of Yeah. unnatural in a way. And I think it's also unrealistic. The first knockout ever in the UFC from a wheel kick. Hook into it and pull.

57:44 Once you hook it, you're allowed to hook your own gloves too which is another thing for them to scoot their hips out and defend. yeah did you have dennis hallman underwear i don't remember man i think it had like yeah How come you can see his nipples and nobody freaks out? Well, they would grin or something like that, you know? I'm a year younger than the youngest dude I fought.

1:00:26 of the nonprofit is fight for the forgotten. If I could literally fight for the forgotten and, I mean, there's even an African proverb or a Congolese proverb about mosquitoes. land. Nobody's going to support it. So are you living out there now? Yeah. in the UFC or other promotions. for basically every move. I never even heard of anybody that like sort of broke it down the way

1:04:09 I think attributed to a lot of our our injuries And maybe other guys would adopt it. their punches, behind their takedowns, behind everything. I mean, it goes from, you know, but something I look back and see from assessing just my opinion is, man, we were three days a week training and sparring hard. Big-ass bones, too. he was training six days a week.

1:07:18 Get yeah, I mean it was like many people would have stopped that fight many refs would have stopped that fight. Yeah, absolutely musasi and in a way i kind of understand because i think that uh referees sometimes will look at a right the guy from that was finished but yeah from Iraq right yeah I actually and then the referee stopped the fight. The Henderson fight was like one shot.

1:09:59 kid's a freak athlete man and i'd heard that about him uh entering into this fight how quick You can't look at it without us seeing it? But... whether or not commissions are more sensitive, you know, told me they've always had issues with that. don't know like like a spider his legs and This is the flying knee. Wow. You want to give a guy a chance to recover,

1:13:23 I think it's like fighters number one, of course, But I think that controversy, especially subjective controversy, because the gloves have been the same for a long time. You're palming a guy's face with a glove on and throwing leg kicks or a knee or elbows behind it. in this fight gustafson accidentally poked him in the eye they're totally accidental but it's like

1:16:06 You know those old school Everlast boxing gloves, those bag gloves? Yeah, it didn't make any sense. We have a pair of them around here somewhere. Every time there's an eye poke, one point, which, I mean, it's pretty harsh. Everlast, which is now a sponsor of the UFC, or I don't know if you'd say sponsor or a partner, your hand wants to curve i would think these would be why don't they just go back to fucking

1:19:06 technology, their patented design. And they're also having less handbrakes too. But then again, like I said, I think they should be bare-knuckled. the same first of all i think cups cups are a huge goddamn issue all right guys get hit with sort of it's got a rubberized outside but it's hard as fuck around it and the compression shorts and I hated that,

1:21:27 in jujitsu where i wasn't wearing a cup and i had a lot of bleeding um and uh since then i went to I mean, it becomes like this insane fulcrum point Like, yeah, you've got to get used to that. One of the best guys ever. For sure. But, like, have you ever had someone mount you and they have a steel cup on and they compress your sternum? In that way.

1:23:39 They're very dedicated. family getting water we even had I mean if it's okay I could show you a picture yeah please of This is us getting ready in Bobofi to put the pump down. mechanized rigs. Like how does it work? Yeah. clean aquifer. So we try to find a good aquifer that's going to keep refilling. That's fresh water, He had never failed a well. you get to like a sandstone layer and if you get to that it's hard to advance through and

1:28:10 that we can start trying to produce things that will just blast through, you know, softer layers. Oh, that's so cool. like a t handle and you you grab each side you pull up like down pull up pump down an old school cartoon dynamite thing yeah absolutely and every time you go down it sprays out i don't It rains quite often, but they don't collect the water.

1:30:42 i had it at the same time that's why they misdiagnosed me with malaria they And sometimes out here, you're just cooking over a fire and just sticks and you put on a bowl over it and it's uh it's it has to get to that boiling or someone they went and worked for. And so that's how they cook. So their huts are, you know, chest height to us. By the way way this is her

1:34:02 but it's actually the legs of the roaches running on the leafs so that that freaked her out um and she had to get up and leave and uh i understood you almost like a mosquito net tent inside of the huts, like I killed yeah he killed it he killed And she's like, I want to see a leg, a body, something. I want to see its guts. And so anyways, Like, what do you mean by cloth?

1:36:13 bang down these knives into or bang down these nails into knives I think if you just this bark cloth i think tarantula because he doesn't want to freak her out she's like what just happened i said oh nothing they they've never seen something Did they know that white dudes exist? So I can first scare them, then it can be an icebreaker, and then it can be kind of entertainment for them.

1:39:58 And it made him terrified. If you pull up the bad water, I would carry it with them they're walking sometimes with two of them. Um, sometimes they're walking with two of those and, say it was evil or anything but they said I was bringing mermaids it's so So I'd go back and them seeing themselves on my camera for the first time. And so, but what we would do is, I mean,

1:43:39 You can go print it and then you can give it back to them and now they can have it for forever. If those pictures, anything like that. So you have to be like, I'm not going around like a tourist and she's writing a book about you right now. And the, what was so cool was this guy that came to film it, his name's Derek Watson, So it's just flying over the forest. Wow, you get a sense of what the forest looks like.

1:46:19 I'm gonna say some money for answer but you walk you say my name booty way this This is all subtitled for folks that are just listening to this. so that they can come back and work the next day. We don't want to take away. Trying to explain it, they kind of wonder how can that be a job because they've only They let us go instead of paying any money.

1:49:27 hundreds of dollars like that's not gonna happen it's not gonna happen and so he's like trying to And in between us, you know, he's got a machine gun. He's done hundreds there. And so some of them, yeah, they speak English very flu fluently and are they learning this from school are they learning this from There's no way, I mean, it doesn't matter what's going on.

1:52:29 that that same kind of suffering them we've actually seen them set free now one time just some little little wrestling i was teaching them uh an arm drag um just because i Marcelo Garcia style, be the back on them. I'd love for him to, but it's just kind of hard being in the jungle, in the forest. When you are planning, I mean are have you committed to this plan of

1:54:54 and I've taken month-long trips there until this last one, to them and to alleviate what's going on there. So you were in Denver fighting in Denver. gold medalist then i went to olympic training center so something i think if you ask brendan and then even now, whenever I stepped away, He's a great man. I haven't really stepped in there yet. Right now, 280.

1:58:31 I think it'd be really fascinating if you did come back and what a story that would be and how I mean it would generate to the point where you're fighting for the title do you know how fucking bananas that would be If you could really get into, like, top shape. my mind I try to be realistic try to but but at the same time um I'm a big dreamer and I think

2:00:39 Man, I was standing at the grave of Andy Bo, Like they're gonna have to they're gonna have to put me away crying i can't even celebrate that was tough well he's so loved there man i mean it's uh he long fucking commute it's zero degrees outside it's cold as fuck and they all I mean, that's often how it is when you watch fights. It's like there's this weird sort of you revel in the moment for the guy who won.

2:03:39 even the moves of grappling, you know, Yeah He's just better. It's like that samurai kind of spirit. And I've read some of the tweets, and it's just fucking appalling. it's, america i think i appreciate the japanese version of it better i don't like win bonuses either i A win bonus? don't leave it in the hands of the judges. And if you do more than that,

2:07:51 of the judges i mean occasionally you'll see a guy fight safe yeah you know you see a guy that I'm glad Woodley said that. Like in Boston, there was a few Too late. but at the same time like it was just nuts to me that I'm like, whoa, how are these the judges in Vegas? She said to him, what's he doing? Do they know the setups? you would get incredibly qualified people who have either trained their

2:11:53 Yeah, and I think you should be like, God, you've got to have some grappling experience pulling out of it but in for my money he's winning the exchanges i mean he he had him like threatened You want to puke blood. and all your heart, all your soul, all that. where they do a better job than the bigger athletic commissions, really, We'll just take take these boxing people and you know, we'll use them to judge MMA fights. It's fucking crazy

2:14:52 you're hampered by these bad judge calls you know yeah it's terrible I know that How much time are you going to spend training before you get in there? or just flowing and grappling so you starting that process right now so you've already like What do you mean? There's a lot of guys that have had knee operations and then got in too soon and done more damage.

2:17:07 and you'll talk to a really good doctor. Well, it got lost in the mail or something, but we sent it. Maybe it's something I do right after. an operation. and so getting into swimming, something that's low impact, sparring or picking a guy up and that's been one of my problems sometimes I'm slamming a guy or This is a beautiful cause. Let's fund some more wells, baby. Let's do it. I'd be more than happy.

2:20:10 Thank you, Justin.