Joe Rogan Experience #607 — Joe Schilling Transcript

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0:00 All right, with me today, this Friday night, you can catch him live on Spike TV, Glory You're drinking distilled water, huh? like, it seems like a lot of people have different methods on how to do this. And then Wednesday for 24 hours, I won't drink any water, no salt, Yeah, and it doesn't have any minerals, so your body doesn't hold on to it. aubrey he went on um this weird diet of distilled water like you thought like distilled water it just seems like because i know my friend aubrey he went on um this weird

2:39 little ideas about what should be done as far as like how much weight to cut before you compete Where you, you know, I think when I fought Simon Marcus the second time, It'll help me lose the water. It was awful. you know when you have a dream that's a big one John Lineker failed for like the fifth fucking time It's a weird balancing act. and beats the shit out of Andrei Arlovsky.

5:22 and is the number one contender now. Right. And that was one of the issues that people used to have back in the old days where they used to weigh in and fight on the same day. I mean, can you imagine heavyweight fighting with 8-ounce gloves? Well, there's some guys that think, and I'm one of them, that MMA would probably be more realistic and better if no one wore gloves.

7:29 thing right well it's like some athletic commissions allow you to tape your ankle some people some So it's kind of interesting. fights you know as often as we like to do to see them is true. You talk about the impact and the problems with brain damage Right. But, of course, in football, they're not punching each other in the face. And they're saying that – and even Chris Weidman is one of them.

10:09 He's a good fighter. well that's a good fight. I was worried about him, you know. Going into the fight i felt a lot of responsibility for And I was like, ah. one who believed i was gonna win and then once i ended up beating him decisively then it was oh he than carlos condit did he did better than georgini pierre did george essentially fought him a little

12:42 that because he was clowning and he got caught, which is everyone's worst nightmare. And after all those spectacular victories against James Irvin it was just a silly fight. I don't know what to call it, a super fight. You know, he's just too small for that, you know, a lot of people didn't think he was going to, you know, Forrest Griffin when the fight first came out said that, you know, it was just a silly fight.

13:50 And I had done that in the past and paid for it. But ultimately, I think that his style is to bait people into coming surprised by there's not prepared to fight that level of kickboxing. Right. the first couple rounds against Damian Maia like he was going after Maia but Damian Maia, like he was going after Maia. But Damian Maia is like a plodding guy

15:43 He was involved in a few stinkers that everybody kind of forgot about. He's always been much more of a tactician. That was pretty badass. conference and Nick flicks him off and Frank Shamrock grabs his balls but out to to anderson like what bitch what bitch and he's walking towards him come on what the Nick will be here. looking me up and down kind of thing and then you know we we sparred it was just like, just like he walks into the cage, you know, kind of like just looking me up and down kind of thing.

18:43 Yeah. knows exactly what he's doing all the time there's a plan which there totally is then uh you know but He's a very calculated guy, legit black belt in jujitsu, like very, very good on the ground. You know, smoke cigarettes from time to time. the day and I just started when I was a kid and then I think when I started No shit That's fucking terrible.

21:24 First of all, that is a fucking war for one fight so after i switch oh man don't smoke cigarettes kids it's bad don't smoke don't smoke cigarettes kids it's bad for you don't smoke don't smoke it's really bad and like honest with you you're pretty close you're pretty close. But, yeah, after I knocked out Simon in the Glory tournament, Calm down a little bit fellow better. And then yeah, I felt

23:49 different it's almost like he makes it up he's got very strong boxing he's got heavy hands he's I like to be in essentially like a war, but let's fight, let's get it on. minutes before i was back in the ring again and i was walking to the ring and i just kept thinking like how the am i gonna It was like pop, pop in my neck. To get world-class fighters to fight three times in one night.

26:17 I go, this is dangerous. It could be if a guy gets through. And it's like when you're going into that tournament, and both times that I fought Levin, your, your training camp is for that first fight, it could be that guy. you know, who's the, you know, when they're on their game. And like six days before the fight, Wakelin pulled out of the fight You had him really fucking hurt.

29:11 and then all of a sudden they're back in the fight. with like dan henderson it's the most fights like oh he's out and then he comes back or yeah Pat Berry is a great guy. That was a hell of a shot. He's not built like a fighter he's built like some crazy giant bodybuilder dude which is great for like a round and a half and then you get into the third round or fourth or

31:06 But there's that weird middle balance where you're trying to find the comfortable middle ground and then he would kind of fade in the later rounds. that muscle it's not good for you it's just it doesn't it doesn't help you know it it helps a Yeah. yeah and that's just biological he's just born that way yeah but it's like you know somebody And Dan Henderson, this last fight against Musashi.

33:28 He was a fantastic boxer. fucking full pedal to the metal offense you know that's how they train that's how they think that's how much emphasis to put on your cardio and strength and conditioning, And, you know, was Anderson Silva that prepared for Nick to lay down You called him a mind coach. I don't want to give away too many secrets, It was a mental thing, you know.

36:22 told me to do i immediately felt a lot better like a lot better and I could see the difference my the really high-level kickboxers overseas. that you even think that you need help or that you, you know. And, you know, he knocked out Mighty Mo. In Japan, they love freak shows. and him on top of you Godzilla vs. King Kong I am too But, man, they're going to fucking get down, you know.

39:05 Speaking of illegal, can we talk about this? I did. It's the worst one I've ever seen. somebody out. I'm not trying to like actually kill them and then intentionally rips your leg off. a it shuts your brain off and then turns your brain back on again it's sort of the best way Yeah, you're taking away a guy's livelihood for over a year. There's something,

41:41 from the time he was think it's hard to get through that unscathed and he most certainly hasn't so i think every fight and he almost kind of, like, stepped in sideways. A lot of times when I do that, their head comes forward, it just went down on it and just wrenched it across oh it's horrible to watch oh and that's on it. That's awesome. So you're going to be able to

44:10 They've started to inject stem cells into the area where people are missing cartilage, There's another thing that I've been doing called Regenikine. It's this yellow serum. Essentially, the light or the heat triggers your body to send more blood and nutrients and heal itself. Oh, yeah, man. and doing it in the lab and trying to re-engineer human beings.

46:25 They used to amputate legs for that kind of break? Because of something about the tissue or something. Well, I've, And he, he got shot up with this uh the virginity and just bang gone just goes away i ibuprofen's like a blood thinner sort of thing or something that he right makes him bleed more or But he got through it. get it done guys were flying over to Germany to do it but now they have an

48:59 somehow along the line of the three night three fights i got hit in the chest with something i It still swells up a little bit now. and it's just blood and crap that's stuck between the skin and the bone well mine was i guess inside but I think that's just one of those things that's going to heal too. because you're going 250 degrees below zero for three minutes.

50:45 It's amazing. You get out of there, you feel like you could fucking jump over the moon. Really? It's amazing. It's such a wild, it's wild. It hurts my nipples, so I cover my nipples up when I do it. As soon as you get out, you're like, woo-hoo-hoo! And then once you get back to room temperature, it pushes it all out and it creates this amazing anti-inflammatory effect.

52:06 you don't really appreciate peace unless you've experienced war. that it has on your body but people swear by it like again like basketball players mma fighters I'll take you. cold so i was thinking after the fight of putting that on because i found out that like 75 again don't quote me on these numbers but 75 of the your energy system is spent This is one.

54:09 I think I had like – we found out about that fight I think four or five months in advance. Because we just came back from the Wayne Barrett fight where he just seemed like a lot bigger than me. i would feel lethargic and and just exhausted all the time. and trying to get used to that size that I was. they'll do nothing but strength and conditioning, no fight training, no sparring, no getting hit, no grappling.

56:43 you have another bathroom or whatever and he's like okay we'll run to that to that next uh the next bathroom will I smoked, Nick, yeah. because I always really hit hard. You're trying to figure out what is the right mixture. is uh there's so many things going on in my head and he just tells me the right things to think and you know, psychologist or whatever.

59:03 have all kind of aligned for me in the last couple years. you know I've reached an age in my career where I just uh I'm a lot more mature I'm a lot better like that general area like i live in uh alhra, South Pasadena area, so it's not County, but we couldn't quite, it didn't quite God, there's some amazing houses in Pasadena. It's a good kickboxing gym.

1:01:19 And then... Yeah. There's not a lot of different spots. There's a really good gym in North Hollywood, two or three in North Hollywood. That's what's ridiculous. And then world class. You can keep going You can't disagree with them. garcia and you know on and on and on you just keep going. There's just so many gyms there. And after he was gone, there wasn't a whole lot of guys my size down there.

1:05:02 I think Alliance has got a good team down in San Diego, right? This is an interesting time because people are still trying to figure out whereas like if you look at any other major sport look at baseball or football There's so many things to learn. with mma it's still i'm still learning and still thinking about things and a lot of times i'm It's really interesting.

1:07:45 depending on the right matchups. He's the king of the walk away KO in MMA. even know i hit him with the left hand i thought he i thought it was just the right hand until i Yeah. I mean, he's a terrifying knockout striker. Yeah. My cousin passed away. Is it really that bad? That dude's been flatlined a bunch of times over the last few years. Mike's gym produces some goddamn savages.

1:11:02 I don't know. A lot of fun to watch. In Japan, they drug test you to make sure you're doing steroids. fighting 155 you're a big guy. and they never said that to him. fuck are you guys talking about? And I think that was their thought process. When guys take them back with them, So you're traveling with this dude and he's got $10,000 too. sport though that the glory days were only like a decade ago right you know it's like it's it's so

1:14:19 But I think it was more about like a strategic thing. because that was like the end-all, be-all Crow Cop was the main event on the card I think that was just. Whoever he fights paint right they all need to eat lead paint and go fuck themselves it's just so many asshole fans I always knew that there was a bigger fan base for MMA than there was for kickboxing,

1:17:10 instagram like just writing the most degrading disrespectful shit about like my family and my They have an Instagram. We got to nuke it from orbit just to be sure. I don't pay attention to football or baseball. That's a desperado cocaine move. Yeah. Prostitution? You're trying to get someone to touch you for money. nobody would be like, uh, okay. Fucking, what did you say?

1:19:51 Who got hurt here? It is fucking ridiculous. Do you know what happened, Jamie? Alright, I take it back. thing. The idea that if you give someone money and you have sex, all of a sudden it's this terrible, awful, evil thing. you that paying for sex or someone paying you for sex is bad i mean who is that who are those people That's it. Motherfuckers got one chain

1:22:52 I don't know. ever heard at the time dude later on um there was a time when before glory before lion fight got a own media for ourselves and you know eventually lion fight got a TV deal and I can't even describe what it is now. This is 100% douche free. Actually, Drew, if you're listening our designer I would like a shirt made with a pit bull Didn't seem to work out.

1:25:36 Like, it was kind of cool. And I would look at it, and I was like, what the fuck are you wearing, man? you know what it was like? and then they would get custom wheels. Like you could take a pretty decent car but put some sweet wheels on it and everybody Yeah, that's okay. they're the most preposterous wheels ever. They're like paint black wheels or whatever.

1:28:30 And it looks cool, but every time I drive up north, I get a flat tire. never had a problem yeah every time you go to start starts right up now honda's just you can't can put a little whip it cartridge in it and it'll uh you hit the button it'll fill up and you can and I think he never, you know, he just ran until the wheel fell off. He always has images of it.

1:31:02 Yeah. Even German cars, which are amazing. Just engine lights on on year-old it's like the Japanese culture itself. Yeah, I mean, that's where it's... I remember my girlfriend coming over and just being like, you know, the long walkways, the wars they had in K1. Nobody's going to watch a glory show and not fall in love with it. What do you mean? I would double check on that if it's coming from Mike Hogan.

1:34:29 You could put him back in the K-1 glory days. It's one of those things where it's like at this point, it's almost like it just needs time. Yeah. He said, fuck it. there look it's so the the product is there see that's the thing it's like the product is there Like, there's a huge event. go to gloryworldseries.com, Yeah. that that wanted those tough shots so i know how dangerous those kind of people can be yeah his

1:38:14 So technical, man. who's getting into kickboxing, rather. the kickboxing game he's still got like some gaps in his his striking you see the especially the Point karate guys. None of the And then there was only one three-minute round. You know what I found really interesting about it, though? and then for folks who didn't watch it the game can be played in this you know really long really long court. Why can't an MMA fight take

1:41:30 Not pushing a guy up against the cage and pulling his legs out from under him, but an actual legit takedown. You know, stop, like, sprawl. They boo. When they're, the UFC judges, do they have a screen in front of them to watch? and like a lot of those punches that that uh anderson was throwing on nick he did a really catching all the right angles the replays are always on point they know production guys they're the best i mean they're so good at catching all the right

1:43:59 and you know and they're they're in the center of the cage and you know the referee's reading When he laid down and put his hands on his head like he was taking a nap. fucking with him it's weird because when I'd fucking with him, but like, keep fucking with him. It's working. Yeah. I had no idea he was going to lay down and put his hands like that.

1:45:44 and it was called the sober replay or, like, the sober thought, He steps up and fights the greatest ever at 185. And they're like, well, we can't really just give you a title shot. one of those rounds i thought was really competitive and really close he was competitive I feel like he won. Like, let's do this. Like, that would just be devastating. Right.

1:48:22 You know, I'm glad I got this weight lifted off my back, Everybody wants to fight you. He really is. Yeah, when I had the last man standing tournament, Nick's going to disagree with me, but I think it does. and then whoop your ass afterwards. They start talking shit. when you talk shit for this last fight I brought in to spar with him and then another guy.

1:51:21 But like, you know, the other thing about Nick you don't know And like when Nick I find myself like he'll uh he'll coast or he'll with this camp he would like you know I would like Anderson Silva people, some guy, some interview guy, Two fucking completely different people. so it's not a knock on Anderson Silva. but it was like you know uh Artem has a very like uh confident like uh head movement he's like a

1:54:47 but he has a very very similar movement patterns and the things that he does so my thing was you Were you holding pads with him? nobody landed like that. comfortable with kicks i've always tried to get him to kick more but it was something where You know, we worked on some elbows from the clinch. No, it definitely did. Now, does He still was like he had a pretty easy weight cut i think he dropped like 10 pounds of water uh i want to say he got in

1:57:35 I really have no fucking idea what's going on in his head. he told me after, he was like, And I think he did great. You know, maybe beat Carlos, If he does decide to come back, I think that's another awesome fight. Those are the two arguments of who's the greatest of all time. I mean, it's him and Fedor. Those are the two arguments of who's the greatest of all time.

1:59:02 Is that because Fedor beat them up? I go with Anderson mostly because I've seen him live being a guy who fought his original career at 155. or went on to become a UFC champion. Push that thing up to your face so people can hear you better. was a monster you know at his best when um or now he's got a new best i'm not sure but i think he's You know, If he wants to like follow through right now,

2:01:21 Great fight. Hector's a monster. You know, now that watching him against Anderson Silva, And it's funny that people are watching that fight and they're like, the reasons why people are concerned. You know, they're like, Jesus Christ, shattered and you're out for another year you know yeah it's a lot a lot of pressure on somebody and Yeah. And Anderson stood in front of him and let him tee off on him.

2:03:50 Yeah, that's true. It's interesting. partners didn't expect it or what yeah and prepared him for that so once anderson hits then as hard as rich franklin he was huge for 185 giant is like what was that hawaiian league he thought that rich Franklin was gonna knock Chuck Liddell dead you know who You know that was just the one that just put him away And after the fight, he realized,

2:07:42 going to win against the ulna or whatever bone is every time. fight even started and he threw like one more kick and he's enough yeah he was done his arm's done yeah the bones there's just nothing nothing that makes them any tougher than that there is a, like almost every person i can think of that had their legs snapped and kickboxing was was black

2:09:29 your darker skin tone Yeah, maybe it was melanin. That's what everybody does on the show. They have less bone density. with strength training. Power lifting has been a little bigger. sure our bones get thicker. Oh, yeah. You know, all over your shin. guys right i had to go constantly does that fuck your hands up though because i would think that that's wrapped with rope and they they you know lock it into the ground so it's real stiff and

2:13:49 They're not protected as much, right? to punch people. Probably broke it, just let it heal on its own. Looking beautiful. Never broke my nose, although Simon Marcus, But after that fight, one of the things he finished me with Yeah, I can breathe out of both, though. person to knock him out I think a week or two ago ability to take a punch that can't stop crazy is is fun until you have someone fucking yelling it over and over behind

2:17:25 That was some wild shit. tunnel vision i don't see the fans i'm just focused on what i'm gonna do and like when i I've been to some pro matches in L.A. and around the area. card like this might be a big moment where kickboxing becomes just like MMA where the mma wasn't really there in 2005 when it when it emerged it's like it's like all the Everything he does is perfect.

2:20:09 it became something that became you know mainstream I just think like the the just to get the kicks in, You know, like what you see today when you see they're throwing kicks because the kicks are effective. you got guys like daniel guida who's like 6 5 like 245 pounds, throwing head kicks, and has this punch speed of like a middleweight, incredibly athletic, he's a

2:21:49 Ariel Zimmerman is conditioning. I mean, I mean, how old is Rico? Yeah, I just hope it takes off, man. the tying up and the knees to the body and the dumps. Like, you watch him fight every—I mean, the way he controls distance, the distance between throwing the kicks and the punches. You can't punch with them. Well, Simon Marcus, that is his style, right?

2:24:30 I was in a lot better shape and a lot more prepared for the last man standing thing. i think it's a great technique it's a very great technique i think i don't know why they don't do there's like an element of their game that they've worked so hard to adapt and to get His first knockout loss was his first kickboxing fight. I did it once and it was horrible for me. It's actually when I tore my knee apart, but it was like you're allowed to

2:26:46 the cage makes it really hard to see right are uh and then when I started training for the Melvin fight, fights and then glory kind of came along and took that over yeah I think that's And now it's, you know. Interesting. I can't remember. i don't know they're trying to get back to being the home for combat sports. I don't know if it's Golden Boy. It was all kind of geared around the Ultimate Fighter,

2:30:48 everybody knows what it is like why and Kleenex Yeah. That said MMA is what it is. Everybody knows it's mixed martial arts, you know It is kind of. came out of these HGNet fights that they put on back in the day. Because I hear that a lot. Just lie. You've been holding on to that water. It's from Virginia? And definitely cheer How come three? I don't know.

2:34:34 God damn it. Take it over. Bye.