Joe Rogan Experience #608 — Ali Rizvi Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. Yeah, we're very obnoxious here. We like to be loud. Is this it right here? Check, check, check, check, check. Is that That's a working title. like how can you be a feminist Muslim isn't that like being a meat-eating They're great people. Really? They do Friday prayers and things like that. have like you know the religion part is really more of an identity issue right they have broad

3:30 It's a jab at the cherry-picking thing. You do, yeah. He's this amazing psychedelic artist, he lived in the 1800s everybody there's a historical record of joseph smith that's are real and virgin births really happen but like this fucking mormon shit you know so it's uh Yeah. Isaac Newton, who tweeting about Isaac Newton. Yeah. although he said nothing negative

6:50 that don't really follow I mean, Jews don't really take that seriously. They've moved beyond it. Even, skewing towards pro-life no it's it's Like I would try to do my friend's act and he would try to do my act. Yeah, but now he's the vice president, and it's sort of never brought up. But I think that just it'd been so long and he had done so much more since then, like with foreign policy, with the violence against women legislation and so on, that people were willing to let him get past.

10:13 He never did, like, even in the other campaigns, whenever he's run, he never really did too well. Yeah. Dick Cheney, like the most despised. Like, he comes across that way. He's got a new heart. You know, a guy who causes the death of millions. diametrically opposed groups like like right now being a Muslim is a very type of person like that believes black helicopters are circling your house every day taking scans of

14:15 so beyond belief that everyone agrees we should go over there and fuck them up. It's a prototype. And you know, That's not true. Like there's a lot of support. I doing this stuff and nobody really follows them. That's not true. Well, I follow some people online that are in ISIS. goes crazy but thousands of people lose their entire lives and no one blinks an eye.

16:25 you've got us on this side and we're doing all these terrible things and you've got them and they're doing these terrible things. So, you know, the U.S. has this, you know, and the gay people they're throwing off buildings and you know crucifying and stoning to death and is an excuse specifically for people like ISIS. but that this is actually in the Quran that say, behead disbelievers.

19:02 or anything like that. When you're supported by the religion that you've sworn allegiance to and sworn your life to, immutable text. And unlike a lot of Christians and Jews who don't believe that they're like, that anything in the Quran, it can't be wrong. or it's being mistranslated, But what I was going to get to was that is that dissimilar, this belief that you can kill people because of the Quran, because they're not following the word of the Quran, is that dissimilar than this belief that you can launch drones into these nonspecific areas where this idea of surgical targets is pretty preposterous at this point. When you look at the number of people, the overwhelming number of people that are innocent,

22:50 about the big communist scare. But this is a justification. Well, yeah, relatively speaking. There's this writer, her name is Farhat Taj. different groups that are in that area And then on the other hand, there's the Pakistani military. that came out that said the same kind of thing. who's going around killing you know hundreds of people and you want to stop him and, you know, he's around a place and you

26:20 what then one of the articles that I pulled up was talking about an attempt to kill 41 men resulted in the deaths of an estimated 1,147 people. This is in northern south. No politicians can go in there. they're very high. And that's not to say there haven't been civilian casualties. There have been. And when you compare that to drone strikes, that's the only way kind of like what they're saying.

29:07 But if you're of the view that sometimes it is necessary to prevent even larger atrocities, know you know how else so you know i don't know what other options there are to handle the So it's not... everything around the world suddenly start um you know sort of coming to your side against your That's what I'm saying. seems to be at least a big part of the root of it seems to be religious

32:42 and it'll be between like religious groups and he actually with a desk above the earth and go all right how do i fix this mess how do i stop all these they're yelling Allahu Akbar, quoting the Quran and everything. Is that like an American liberal convenient thing to say because it makes you look super sensitive and very Noam Chomsky-esque? I love it.

35:56 well, unfortunately, not everybody's saying it. you know respecting people's ideas and beliefs and ideas are not people you know like that's pretty smart but it's connected somehow or another to racism and this is where it gets weird because the underwear bomber was black the Jose Padilla was Oh, yeah, there's lots of them. so, you know, Turkey's a big Muslim, so Turkey's a big Muslim country.

38:52 it's just racially where there's this woman hyper-progressive atmosphere that literally eliminates objective thinking and reasoning. because by their Islamic laws, What the fuck, man? of a misnomer. I want to cut my head off Yeah, and it's based on people. This is, like, on Twitter, Facebook messages. Yeah, I knew them. The only sort of personal thing I've had is, you know, the TSA, the airport, you know, the random checks. I always get selected

42:19 genuinely been victims of anti-muslim bigotry, to use their pain and their experience and exploit it Like, to categorize someone and dismiss them so openly like that. hilarious people online to read yeah they're their websites and their So I went and looked at it, and I was like, oh, fucking Christ. legitimate viewpoints about something if they have like if supposing they have like one or two

45:13 painting you with the same brush as everybody else. who no one wants to touch. say the feminist movement right when when you had when feminism meant equality you know, if you have, say, the feminist movement, right? it's a movement that's in, or an ideology that's in opposition to gender inequality or patriarchy, and you start talking about what feminism stands for

47:26 be part of your movement but the moment you start saying well atheism stands for being or a group of social values and ethics, They've attached that to support sexual discrimination. Of course you wouldn't support, discrimination of course you wouldn't support you know fill in the blank you know of course you would many many years and now this whole religion thing like the respect for religion and all the stuff

50:20 then you have to stand for this or you have to be pro-choice, and they've kind of embedded into it. Yeah. I mean, look, religious ideology, especially radical religious fundamentalism, has done horrible damage to people. I mean, I have... So he... Raif is actually someone that I know. And they just take a cane and they lash him 50 times every So a lot of people wrote.

53:59 To create new wounds. So it's, I mean, there is a distribution. I mean, he's, And he's like really more of an intellectual kind of person. Like there were some Saudi cleric religious leader with a lot of influence about Sharia astronomers. what did he really do right you know but i i can't uh you know i can't say it any other way It would probably resonate with you a little bit.

57:48 Oh, God. And these are public beheadings with a sword. How they rock it? How clearly do you see him getting lashed? And from a distance, you can't really appreciate what it's like They're cheering afterwards. call it. What? Chop Chop Square? That was the sort of affectionate term for it. It's out of context. He's like, well, right now I'm just going to pay respects to the king,

1:01:04 really common sense to the rest of us. Right. So he's got like a shitload of wives and a whole bunch of kids. like they can't they're not allowed to drive yeah i've heard that so um they can't do that even with they spoke out and after that nobody really heard from them again they didn't do any other interviews so actually I've got in touch with I so here's where my connection happened is I

1:03:52 And when they found out about this imprisonment, because Abdullah is being, you know, Cameron, Obama, All these things that have been happening. And he didn't. I don't want a king. It affects people like that actually harms them I mean the the people that we should be getting behind right and It wasn't something where everyone stood in unity Every fucking magazine, every newspaper, everyone across the world published those images.

1:07:26 woman that she was interviewing started pulling up the paper and showing the cartoon and she And it's different. But when you make a movie with, like, dick jokes and, you know, the kind of thing that the interview was, longer time ago maybe his dad's a little more chill probably it's impossible he might be more Yeah, no, he's... to be taken seriously.

1:09:37 Like they're, you know, Those aren't the kind of things that you're going to get people flocking to you with, Their ideas are so barbaric in a way or so old. reasons for that, that's where I think our role comes in a little bit, keep those archaic legal codes in place We have supported them. Yeah, that's that. But they have to do that. And I think that it is a positive thing.

1:13:19 and the areas that were just 50, 60 years ago, barren. They've got any, even cultural elements that are going around all over the world that is well how does that change how does that How does one ever change that? That's how they progress. Like trillionaires. There's one royal family that's running it. There's a whole bunch of brothers. who listens to my podcast.

1:16:33 He's a big fan. suppressive we're not talking about like saudi arabia beheading people over sorcery it's not So I've seen that a lot. And we decorated them with glue and glitter and our names and so on. and he started yelling at the teacher in Arabic, teacher didn't even know Arabic, fucking snowflakes christ so i went back and uh you know i asked my dad about it my dad was you

1:20:30 the same color as a Mediterranean and same colors as it was as a sea so it was And the kids who are in the Saudi schools, which are separate in the way like foreigners are not allowed to go to Saudi schools. I love that term. where they had these images with them. And this is going to be a great thing. And then their images are going to be displayed

1:23:40 It can't be real. And you had his son-in-law and his cousin, and his name is Ali. Some people kind of flocked to the caliphate, It's like, what? What are the other ones? So, yeah, there's the Sunnis and the Shias. There's the, do you want the names? You're just cutting off skin. The Hanafis have different beliefs. And they do believe in all those like conservative things like, you know,

1:28:14 There's conservative elements in both. These things are very directional. What do they hate about each other, that they're willing to go to war? element of labeling people who don't agree with you non-muslims so a lot of saudis will say that He probably had no idea that that was going to go down, that there was going to be some by al-qaeda and they managed to kill his brother and after that he went into he was running around

1:31:21 confused point of view when all that was going down there was a very strange moment where most Americans were standing back on wait wait wait That's sort of Sam Harris's take on him is that he's just, he's just, he's just dishonest. I've had some exchanges with him on Twitter and so on. especially that you know people here especially liberal white westerners um that's the last thing

1:33:36 especially white people is that he actually wrote, he was like, these books, And I was just thinking about the implication, Essentially, that's actually even more bigoted because you're saying that these people are inherently like that. And to neglect obvious causes, Right. We should believe them. It's a tough thing to fix. And he said, he's like, you know, I don't, it's not that I believe in an afterlife.

1:37:43 on to another world and then he went into more detail he's like uh these kids like you know if kids have had the Yeah. He's like, most Muslims, their faith isn't as pure. so that's the mindset that you're going up against. And someone said something where they said the moment you demonize your enemy or the Well, I... want to die early if they really really thought that they were going to someplace great afterwards it wouldn't be that much of a

1:41:06 I was like, what the fuck are you even talking about? Over murder? You know, I have a friend who is being, who's in jail for 10 years and he's being, you know, but the you know when they start talking about the content of what is being criticized or attack i that they're going to get attacked themselves? They're themselves they're like well you know I mean those cartoons were

1:44:08 more upset about it's not yeah there's this uh value the value of freedom of speech okay which a lot of people are sort of apologists about it That's exactly what it means. Like this isn't just a freedom of you're not just speaking about them. don't have the right not to be offended you know that that's the idea you know And that's how dialogues get started.

1:46:48 and I think that's right. uh you know attacking uh you know like the let me put it this way. The very same things, same rules that their hate speech laws were actually used by the government at times to warn Charlie Hebdo. Right. I often wonder whether or not it's it's a case of people but if you disagree with their ability I wouldn't waste my time drawing those cartoons.

1:49:34 instead of a mass murder on a magazine, know the people are sensitive about so supposing you had that you know again you know sort of uh it says. And then in the Quran 47.3, it says the exact same thing. Well, why is it then? What is it was during that time that they did do it. yeah. New Testament that all the torture begins after you die it's like Old

1:52:28 I mean, for me, enlightenment would be if nobody had any religious beliefs at all. But the step before Reformation, in order to have a Reformation, they're coming from man if they're coming from man they're open to dispute And Eve actually came from Adam's rib. And then people go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. It's right up there. All obviously fiction. All obviously fiction. And the more we become illuminated about the actual true nature of matter, of biological life, the process of atoms and the subatomic particles.

1:55:50 discoveries and and and learned more and every scientist and every biologist and every anthropologist I mean, what's at the heart of religion is infallibility, like the idea that this can this you know this can't change that's immutable so you have infallibility on the other hand with You know, it's two completely different dynamics. non-accepting of these fundamentalist ideas. Scientists today are more aggressive about

1:58:23 You think with your fucking head. you know, they cheer when there's reprisal for these attacks these verbal their uh white friends and be like you know yeah this is terrible Whoa. not interesting I just yeah yeah it takes a lot of focus I think to really They're okay. And he did, he changed the name of Muhammad and he had a lot of similar elements.

2:01:59 And he thought it would be okay because he had fictional characters, Did they ever release or relieve him? started so in that way you know a little bit optimistic the fact that some And it's actually tougher for women who decide to change their mind about Islam. And she'll get hundreds of them. I mean, the hundreds actually happened in one incident.

2:05:11 threats. So but you know there's always a chance that one or two of them are real Exactly. It's so I mean the word archaic I keep using it, but that really is the word at one point and why are we in such bad shape i all of the world? So that's frustrating. talking about the holy books earlier and the holy books are very similar a lot of the stuff is uh

2:08:16 I think that, like, Because you did this, you eat bacon or whatever. They are not interested in hearing that. rapists. I was reading that. They had a survey on who you despise most. People actually And you'll have all these different viewpoints. For a comfort to people, reality very poor like and that's what's really bizarre about the islamic religion is that at one

2:11:36 You know, and so a lot of those things happened not because of Islam, but despite it. But, I mean, he was a religious Christian, but we don't identify his achievements as Christian achievements. and they're making new discoveries, and respect we think of them as having at the very least an agnostic religious relationship between words and the scripture and what they're doing so what we do is now we say

2:14:34 It's 86 by 7. It could be all sorts. That seems like a pretty vague... There's a lot of ribs. Right. I think he was just trying to get brownie points though. or if there's a Quran burned or a cartoon's drawn, Yeah. It's like 500,000 people killed by an Arab, the Janjaweed militia. We're in the middle of negotiating, talking to publishers. well let me know when it's done

2:17:19 it's A-L-I-A-M-J-A-D-R-I-Z-V-I Yeah. Well, thank you, brother.