Joe Rogan Experience #614 — Christopher Ryan, PhD Transcript

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0:00 back from the rain-soaked jungle of the pacific northwest where hippies flourish It's an interesting place That's true. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of those, right? antithetical to what a hippie is you know like to go buy expensive hippie outfit isn't that perfect And they were $270 for a used pair of jeans I'm a comfortable pair of jeans. you know because i just turned 53 recently and i'm like when is old and fat going to be in because

4:02 And so they become an oddity. I've got as much melanin as anyone else, Irish, yeah. You got that kind of cool thing going on. What the fuck is that? And temperamental men are just dangerous drunks. Well, they probably had, what's that stuff they use in Pakistan? version of just for men yeah exactly that's funny man yeah yeah everyone no one wants to be gray

6:57 So I don't know what happened between then and now. them are rough um the gray is probably less traumatic because i know dudes who your sort of balding experience happened at a really good time. When your name is Rogaine, I think it was like he thought it was stronger or better in some way. she was cutting it it just looked like dog shit after she was just like it get thinner and thinner

9:16 Take control. And I came to her one day. Well, it's not just because she's used to me looking like a dork, but it was my father Oh, I missed my chance. and they're like, don't do it, don't do it. I have a picture of Joey Diaz back when he was like 210 pounds. But it's Joey thin. dylan thomas where he says rage against the dying of the light you know and i often think like i

12:06 And I think because of that, my own message board. we became friends from online. know he used to he would super important when you have cancer sleep is super important for the immune system but he was time we saw him his head he lost all his hair his eyebrows were gone he had tubes coming out of his but he's 73. right? I've never saved. And that's not shopped.

15:13 But nobody in human history has ever looked like that at 69 years old. like that at 69 is it good or is it bad you know i don't think it would be too terrible if people Holidays would be a bitch, though. our lifetime of of lifespans but the real issue is do we have the resources for that because one want to eat food that's bad or you know struggle to survive in any way and dealing with rampant

17:49 the skins made the pom-pom boom boom boom boom but seriously i mean if you think about you know and just all the crazy fucking larceny and crazy shit that people do it's all attached to the But you're looking at the world in some crazy 3D, you know, minority report fashion where everything you see, you're interacting with the world in a very different way.

20:02 And this is a new find. but since you brought it up. So they've got sperm and eggs. Yeah. from the heat of the volcanic vents right most likely nothing we've never seen anything in the And we obviously have insects in the world above ground that build incredible structures. The one where they filled it up with cement? And this is in, like, Kalahari Desert, right, which is dry, and the temperature changes a lot night to day.

23:30 uh, Right. You know what I mean? Sure, everything's legitimate to talk about, including when you're talking about Nazi history. right? I agree with that, but man, I don't think you should be able to tell anybody that they can And I can still enjoy life. And I'm not necessarily trying to give a child this, but I'm not trying to invalidate, you know, there's an argument for

26:37 So, I mean, I think that the assumption, I've got a cousin, this really smart smart little kid he's like five or something and the other day he was talking about how he uh before he was born he was saying that all fetuses sound crazy but i remembered when i was a kid i remembered you remembered what i remembered the like a a record of it that i would remember if that makes any sense to you know what i mean

29:10 Yeah, it's a it's a really interesting neurological thing. I would like to see that guy draw a picture of a face when he lived in topanga in the 60s and he took some acid. They were like, the house had a tennis court behind it. californians the saturday night live that's them, dude. I know. It's so true. provable actual events in comparison to their idea what happened oftentimes they're way off

31:56 this is big park like area and uh i would go fishing um down the river there was like this I didn't realize I had a waterfall wow, But before that, I lived in a place called Jamaica Plain. There were 17-year-old kids that were in the seventh grade. and moved us to newton and newton was like way more urban way more relaxed but jamaica plane And then Newton was a total different place.

34:47 been jacksonville for example as soon as we were in jacksonville she developed the local accent I don't have a home. kids his daughter's like in her 20s i'm like like, this is crazy, man. You know, I've known his wife forever, too. You know, Brian Callen's the worst. Oh, he lived everywhere, man. Where's she from? I got to sign. It's good for your body, too.

37:44 Yeah. Well, you mentioned Duncan, and when I tweeted that I was going to be on the show, everyone's like, oh, you and Joe and Duncan. He's trying to talk me into buying a house. It's a very unusual place because you can't really support a large population. Talking about hippies? No. I was invited to do a right there. It's like, this is all you got. You spend time at Esalen ever? Never. Talking about hippies?

38:52 It's going that way. there it is, All right. Did I say that out loud? How dare you? that's a bad drug don't you understand that's a drug i had and it was the i mean i went to this dumbass college where everybody was rich so the drug So for me, hallucinogens are like boom grand plans and it just i i've never been interested in it i i got lucky and i ducked it

41:35 You get that bug. She was beautiful. Like, what? They're not whatever. And so she was a lawyer and she ran a successful business. Ever letting her just be herself. Yeah, you ever you know, Gabor Matei is no he's to do with the substance or the activity it's's that's just how it manifests. Right. But it's all about psychological trauma. It's all trying to alleviate suffering of some point of some kind. And it's interesting. His research sort of meshes very well with this experiment that was done also in British Columbia.

44:58 But what if we took those rats, same kind of rats, but instead of just being in a cage Right. stuck in a fucking fluorescent lighting room and the fucking metal cage and the little water bottle can't run you can't hide right you're in a cage and they just reach in and grab you went home and he was alone and then he'd sneak back into the area where the chimps were where

47:59 over the country and he said portland's the place everything can be grown within 100 miles he sort And he thought he was going to die. And so that's what he said. of paleo restaurants anyway what am i talking oh so he would go back with these chimps and he told man and if But it was about getting high. I got really high once and i went to the zoo and i was super depressed yeah not you know me personally in my personal life

51:03 they don't want to be there and that's the same thing with these animals that didn't like the idea that somehow or another they're being saved. fish and blah blah blah, blah, right? But anyway, we're talking about this. them to this large bay like take a large area in a part of the world that we don't go but it's That fucking guy, he taught himself how to do that shit.

53:57 It would cost a lot of money. now i think um and he made a really interesting every year thousands of babies are born with no brain with i forget the technical the medical um the idea being of course i mean the argument against that is that if it saves one human being War is innocent people are dying so that, you know, to his dick right that's why psychopaths do so well because they're not worried about the consequences they're able to make those decisions is it psycho or sociopaths

57:42 i have a friend who wrote a book called The Psychopath Test. Yeah, well, you get the idea pretty quickly. an article in psychology today that explains it in a way many forensic psychologists psychiatrists A failure to feel remorse or guilt. and will appeal normal to unsuspecting people. I've seen that. I've seen that where I've had You know, there's like you check into the hotel and they're like, hey, Dr. Ryan.

1:00:30 You know, it's just, That's important to discuss. why am i talking to you about tv but in my experience at least the way i interact with tv I dated a woman who told me I was even better than Fabio in bed. but anyway that got us talking about about famous people seem cool, like George Clooney. that fake emotion thing right how much true input is he getting from human beings well he goes to other

1:03:55 And he said it was the most ridiculous scene you've ever seen in your life. You're always catered to. goes it's got to be really hard to keep your shit together when you're like that yeah your version Yeah. And we went in, and there were all these people and all this scene. if you want to learn to I think it would be cool as fuck, man. I took electric guitar lessons for two weeks and quit.

1:07:50 a big part of what makes someone really good at anything great success are i mean are most really successful people play guitar so i could get laid you you know, because the girls were. I think you probably wouldn't be as good as if you guys were like, man, look, the Stones were our age when they got together. they have to have this deep desire to connect

1:10:20 moment it expresses itself through all the discipline and all the years that he's practiced guitar and then the finger coordination that it's able to achieve and and you know you Fuck yeah, dude. Yeah. drugs he was on drugs well that that's what I was going to say. this is the late 1960s, when this guy comes out with this. All time favorite song Cause it's just

1:13:17 You feel that guy's expression right through the sound. version of voodoo child there's some covers that are better i really love that genre of music I mean, it's just so different. Fine young cannibals did a version of it, which isn't bad. Exactly. Oh, he was drifting in and out of consciousness all day long. whatever it was that created this great deficit responds, the body, the mind, the soul, the

1:16:19 in terms of like these um these definitions that we've already categorized in our mind. But in fact, what it really is, is like math. Layla Pink Floyd and then all of a sudden this dude comes along who's dressed like a fucking talk about front row seat right he played guitar phil was oh phil did everything he could do he every scene that he was in and everything would be highlighted and he would have notes and stick

1:18:35 And he did it because he had a lot of problems. holding the speakers for Hendrix and to this day it's like one of my favorite memories of him you And Phil took me there, and he would sit by the stage, yeah i was too uh for whatever reason there's too many preset ideas about yeah bodies and i also i was like at the in that way you know not in a way where i didn't care about other people's feelings but

1:21:50 I'm hanging out with Phil Hartman at his strip club. Did performance feel that way at all? Like, was just go, Andy, work and it doesn't work. You get together, you take a five minute break. The writers all would, So stand-up more so, but still never as terrifying as the in-between bouts Comedy Hour. I got a development deal. They offered me a lot of money.

1:23:56 No, I was a character. They were brilliant, brilliant guys. They fucked up all the episodes. and they tanked a great idea. I didn't enjoy working with actors. Yeah, right. No. They have cable. I had the Oakwood for a couple of weeks. Really? That's fucking insane. That for sure. And we're trying to find where the first aid cabin cabin is, you know, you it's, it's fake. Like, and a lot of times people

1:27:34 Yeah. no a lot of people hated he hated it well phil is a nice fucking guy he was a nice fucking guy And there's a lot of backstabbing. to i don't want to argue i don't want any conflict i'm not i don't want to compete like the beautiful so i kind of like that i can at least for a while make a living sitting in a room alone you know So like, let go, you know, say what's true. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's amazing. Yeah. That's

1:31:06 I've thought about that a lot, not so much in terms of individuals, though it makes sense, but I've thought about that a lot in terms of historical moments, historical periods. get anywhere because it's too the structures structures are rigid and controlling, you know. don't think about it deeply, they don't think about it in a way this, other they could be friendly we could be nice you can go to a farmer's market and everybody's saying

1:34:01 where it's like, this is where we're going to operate. overseas and been involved in the war and you talk to them and man they have sorrow they have You know, like, come on, man. and he said that they were in a helicopter and the helicopter took small arms fire and I don't really want to talk about it anymore. I said what I had to say. This guy is certainly

1:36:41 When people ask me about my experience with Brian Williams, this is what happened. he didn't think that anybody would put the pieces together. They were all forced to land and endure a sandstorm for two days. But it is, as we started this conversation, talking about how unreliable memory is. I know a guy who's a compulsive liar. wherever around the world.

1:39:03 and a multimillionmillionaire and was would comic so it's like it's i can't give his name away folks i'm so sorry It's just ridiculous that he smokes cigarettes in an endurance sport. asked like what does that mean well it means i'm i'm half human my father was human my mother was from and he tells like some some latin word for a star system because I was high and I was just like, what?

1:41:40 He's got some great stories. cave in on them and then they got to find some new person yeah to sucker in and that does happen Like, do you know that I know? it because she sees it immediately and just like her way of dealing with insanity is laughter like a crab doing a crab thing and we walk in it's like this you know pussy in the whole scene just scared the shit out of me and and Casilda just

1:44:34 to sort of be so laid back that you kind of you know okay he's seen a million pussies at this Throw some water on my face. All right, I'm going to look. Yeah. I'll bet you're good with kids, I'll bet. They'll learn some lessons along the way, and it'll help them in life. It's close to 1,000, whatever it is. well i like kids yeah and you're amenable.

1:46:58 I do too. Because then you're going to have the neurotic, freaked-out cat pissing in your bed. cats if you're gonna get a cat and so they have each other when you're not around yeah you know inside of people's heads, especially people that I know and telling them what they need to hear Right. about it again. What is my objective? What am I trying to do stay defensive keep moving never stand in one place at one you know never

1:49:27 And this experience, this harrowing, stressful experience can give birth to this new appreciation of peace. and, you know, oh, now I can rape and nobody will catch me there are no cops and in fact what happens is the opposite that that's when people are most generous most kind isolated we're all suffering alone he's like man when the shit hits the fan that's when things get

1:51:22 There is no light without dark. There really isn't. all right, Chris Ryan, for the next 40 hours, you're going to be stuck in this spot or eight hours a day for the next seven days, five days, whatever it is, There's no ups. insulate ourselves from it. And then at the end, we're isolated, right? Because we're surrounded Someone like Duncan. But today it's like, duh.

1:55:08 So we look back at those times and we go, God, they were fucking so stupid back then. Yeah, it's faster and faster and faster. and then that in turn will find the inherent Well if you look back on your childhood, you know and today you look back and you go wow when I was 10 Yeah, and it's arrogant but very common for people to think we're at the end of it. Like this is the cutting edge

1:57:50 But all that data that we've accumulated and the access to it that we have today, no doubt yeah i think we're all experiencing it in a way that's it seems so It was, I was in my late 20s it's just easily insane maybe even more than a thousand. I'm tempted to miss the plane. We're going to figure it out. You guys pick a date. Chris Ryan. What are you reading? Getting these fucking