Joe Rogan Experience #625 — Steve Maxwell Transcript

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0:00 the Joe Rogan experience ladies and gentlemen Steve Maxwell fresh from Australia international Pretty funny, man. I was like, you know, hardcore athlete, wrestled NCAA Division I. Reefer Madness. Wow. What started it off? Yeah. What do you do? And they all would light up at night and so forth. I mean my 60s so I'm gonna check 60s. I'm going to check this out.

3:40 Adult juice box. And, well, I mean, you've been into this for a long time, very open about it. I thought it was for people that just wanted to escape reality. they cut a chunk out of your kneecap and a chunk out of your shin bone, And I remember sitting on the couch feeling so basically found my eyes were getting worse each year getting stronger prescriptions I finally

6:52 for the improvement of vision. One was a former specialist sniper. So I guess he knows a thing And what I noticed when I would take the THC, I don't know. It was just a very interesting experience. I feel like I'm more sensitive. and high fructose corn syrup I'm going to be very careful. which is one of the reasons why I really enjoy doing it before I stretch. And Terence McKenna,

10:31 Like, I guess they're just having fun and doing it. Like a lot of, Pavel talks about this as well. sitting in chairs or most people. Right. What he was saying was that it's all about breathing, resist, and then relax. new things try new things and don't be such a stick in the mud with with your belief systems need is you know a night a good diet you don't need any supplements you don't

13:45 Like, look at all these losers smoking pot. Yeah, they all relax with this stuff. could have been outside. I mean, these people are all on caffeine, by the way. He's a maniac. Your brain oscillates at certain speeds, and different parts of the brain produce different, was using Bose earbud noise cancellations and just sitting there with my iPhone and just, wow,

16:46 beta like while we're awake gamma is like when you're in a real deep sleep like a real deep So you're listening to a program. and it's pretty hard That's just like one of the programs. And you feel quite excellent. I don't know, man. Yeah. But it makes you feel great. You get on that sucker for 10 minutes and you're like. He was really big into shaking and moving the body and all these interesting patterns.

22:21 this energy like a battery and then it's leaking all over the place. It's just like they're short-circuiting. the seminar is like a covicular breather. They're using the emergency apparatus of the upper neck like a threat looming over the horizon. So everything that happens is perceived as a threat. Do you have a video or anything? breathing. And I used to think,

24:36 I heard that Kron also is spending a lot of time because I think it's really, really important for combat athletes to, you know, learn to relax. benefit you. But I think when you're think especially when you're dealing with martial arts a lot of times you're two three minutes in if especially if you're rolling with someone good a very strong guy, but he hadn't done jiu-jitsu before.

27:11 he really didn't know what to do, and he was just locked up. and you're going to be able to learn. emergency, let's say some But it takes a lot of practice, and you have to do it. We've seen it in fights. he's going to figure out how to beat you John's arm was fucked up for like months afterwards. And he was going to still win. Perfect example. and Jacare, one of the very best black belts in the world,

30:22 so he just basically played the outside edge of the mat because he had points. yeah i'm one of those guys that like hey if you catch me you trick me uh you know fighting out I've been really doing a lot of work with jiu-jitsu for a lifetime. bone that and all the stuff that's broken off inside of his elbow was just swimming around in his elbow, Yeah.

32:34 Oh, man, that is really nasty. know just get replacement parts for everything grown from our own bodies, right? They take your blood out, they spin it in a centrifuge and they heat it up like this is how amazing it is it's so amazing that it actually worked and benefited the guy who created it it's amazing amazing stuff nice to be the Always was in love with the whole concept of wrestling and grappling on the ground.

35:36 I mean, if you think about it, it's probably the most fun two guys can have without a woman, man. earlier, just, it's like no one gets Go ahead. You wrote an article about it recently. mid-40s already suffering this pain and stiffness and inflammation. So I started really investigating But, you know, as you get older, you have to be. Whereas now, I'm pretty aware of what kind of state my body's in.

38:47 just But I always pack my own stuff. that. I love carob pods. You just chew it and spit the seeds, and it's absolutely delicious. Very popular in Australia. These things were like so crazy expensive. So I got some plastic baggies, you know. In Marin County. And there they were. For a long time? actually, you know, like from the cane field, actually has a lot of health benefit. Does it

42:55 the way they process is it really yeah i mean maybe a little less harsh on your system because Cacao. And if you overeat anything, you're going to develop a potential sensitivity. Sandwich for lunch. Well, my God, you could probably develop a food sensitivity to anything. My face got thinner. But I get it around my belly and my sides, and I get it in my face.

45:02 That's like the love handles. That's what can kill you. So cold showers, cold water treatments, exposing yourself to cold, a really good thing for developing the brown fat. Some of it's in the peritoneal cavity. Some of it's up in the Let's see. And you also wear gloves. Three minutes at 250 degrees below zero. You can. And they said three minutes.

49:11 Well, it's funny because I had been doing this years and years before. with a sudden immersion it's kind of like plunging into like a cold lake it supposedly burns up any You stand in, and your head is outside, and you don't have to put anything on your face. They're going to be putting out one of those Yeah, the little one just looks like dropped you in the top of the moon and it's on a hundred really 250 degrees below zero that's

52:18 And your body in its wisdom will say, hey, I'm not quite up to snuff here. called Katsu. And I don't know the gentleman's name who created it, but I had a chance to try I mean, dead. Because you're restricting the blood flow. quicker than he would have without it it's just one more one of these new I'd just be curious. But because your biceps are tied off at the top.

55:08 It sounds painful, man. Also, what's the difference in the response to your body? you're just a wild motherfucker and you're doing anything you want, you're reckless. And as you get older, it's one of the things that I liked about your It was in York, Pennsylvania. I can't believe it. Dude, man, 42-year-old, I was like still fantastic, you know, And it's not.

58:26 The mental toughness is a huge part of it because that is a hard-ass sport. Pretty substantial. The guy was brilliant. Coach's Hall of Fame. So this was Wrestling is one of those sports that you pretty much have to have your mid-afternoons open When he died, his fortune went to this Bulgarian coach. And so I had a couple clinics with that guy one at drexel and uh because he you know he's making his way around

1:01:02 So I was looking for that thing to fill the gap, you know? Look at like in Philly or Detroit. kind of like dog eat dog. I think that's one of the reasons why this new urban playground gymnastics kind of stuff that the guys are doing has become so popular because, I mean, you know, that's pretty available. And so, yeah, they don't have a lot to do. motherfucker man he beat bernard hopkins and then he just beat Jean Pascal the other night.

1:03:39 His footwork, his distancing, the economy of his movements, the way he throws punches, And you just don't see the obesity either, man. and tough jobs and just had to work their whole life. Survival of the fittest. Yeah. And those are the people that bred and those are the people that have lived and gotten through those harsh climates and tough jobs and just had to work survival wasn't fitted yeah and that's those are the people that bred and those are the people

1:05:24 I remember I wrestled, this is in the 70s, I wrestled in the Montreal Open Wrestling Tournament and this is just at that time and got my ass handed to me And he says, no, no, no no no we we practice technical wrestling as the base And they would just do this for long periods of time. That is the problem. Of course. What were we talking about? Do the Russians have that same issue with overtraining?

1:09:15 Azerbaijan, you know, the Mongolians are really starting to dominate judo. The most important part is having that technique down to just a razor sharpness. Ooh, Dos Anjos beat the brakes off of Pettis. Yeah. It might be available that was pretty much everything. Go ahead. And he got Diego Sanchez into probably the best shape of his life It is so incredibly important.

1:12:31 It's almost too much time. and on the mat is such a skill unto itself i mean not let's just take out the striking skills and And you got to realize that when you're going backwards, you're kind of using your muscles moving forward, backing up and then moving forward, And God, it's one of the, so I'm curious to see what you think after you watch this fight.

1:15:01 like literally never let up. Oh, I don't know. Hector Lombard. And one of the things that he said, he goes, first of all, we're going to test everybody tonight. It's so huge. Anyone on the podium needs to be some dudes like look at husamar palhares is a perfect example that damn dude is so strong he's fall kind of just within of guys that are taking things

1:18:26 You cannot engage in an extremist sport like MMA and maybe to a lesser extent jiu-jitsu and judo and wrestling at that competitive level without the tweaks. Yeah, well, I think it's going to have to at some point because, you know, competing on a regular basis once they become successful especially you break into the top 10 It's a brutal way to make a living, man.

1:20:43 Yeah, I don't know how the hell he did it. And no dementia or anything? As my Australian friends would say, good on you, mate. I heard that little flap-a-doodle about that stuff. It was like 72, was it? It was the Munich Olympics. It's like, wow. His mind is fine at least. He just looks like he's in such utter pain the way he shuffles and moves around.

1:23:15 Yeah, and I think what you said, like if you asked him, he probably would say it was worth it because you can't take away history. And there's a GoFundMe. stuff, but you've got to keep it not to have their guard patched. And that's one of the things that Hickson always do jiu-jitsu and And then afterwards, we discussed it i mean he doesn't look physically anything like he looked like back

1:26:20 I mean, that's a big, heavy guy. very picky myself now i'm in my 60s it's like but hickson's 10 years younger than you yeah yeah Like, he just had no idea what it was. You you know he really didn't know what he was doing as most Catch wrestling, double wrist lock. right now one of it's the history of brazilian jiu-jitsu and this guy did an amazing job on putting this putting this

1:29:16 Did the same exact takedown with the Gi. Yeah, I believe so. You can just see the guy. Didn't want to tap. I believe Henzo had his back and just got a little relaxed because I think Henzo was winning the fight. him with an arm bar, if you remember that. And it was like one of the first times we ever saw They just felt light because you had used heavyweights before.

1:31:35 And I've talked to a lot of guys that had experience wrestling with big guys, I would not use the heavy light system anymore myself, man. Old judo master tools young students. I mean, this was not like some sort of a kung fu demonstration. Mifumi. Well, he's no spring chicken. You see how he checks in with the hip? He just does enough to have to get thrown.

1:33:27 Is that the case? It was late in the development, yeah. And then when the Judo started with their belts, the Jiu-Jitsu also did around Effortless. There's no doubt that he just knows. And there's really a difference in this in comparison to striking arts But, you know, it's – I was telling you about this book I'm reading about the history of Brazilian jiu-jitsu.

1:35:45 triangles sometimes they insisted that the wrestlers wear the jackets in these fights like Yeah. And Gary Tonin, anytime you talk about no-gi submission wrestling, So, Metamorris had Dean Lister versus Josh Barnett. don't forget to practice your headlock escape, man. ridiculously strong yeah and he slaps it on you by surprise even a professional like dean and i mean

1:38:25 So one of the guys was an ex-wrestler who got me in that position that Josh got got dean i made a big mistake man the guy says well how do you get out of this position you know And I'll tell you, man, it is a power move, but man, if a guy knows how to do it You certainly have to have some strength to pull it off. thicker than when he was fighting at 205

1:39:57 And I don't think he'd been tapped in competition over a decade. If he gets you in one of those positions, you know, No. And he was wrestling supposedly like the number one catch wrestler. And wouldn't you know, Salo takes the back and the guy does it and pops his ankle. But, oh, my God, that thing turned as black as his microphone, man. Knees, the feet, man.

1:42:51 one of the things I remember in Jean Jacques, Eddie Bravo would do a toehold. And sometimes moves are so old they're new, you know what I mean? But the guys look like they're having a good time when they do it. So you've got to at least practice it a little bit to be familiar with it. He's like, how did he do that, man? Just so good at that position.

1:45:43 when you discount a technique simply because And then all of a sudden Anderson knocks out Vitor. you can recognize it. Because recognition is the first step to protecting yourself against this Because if you don't know how to cinch up a choke, if you don't know how to cinch up an arm bar, you're never going to know exactly what you can get away with when you're

1:47:36 especially like attacks. Really crafty. Maybe submission wrestling would be more like regular chess, He's like, that's like saying you have to be really good at racquetball to be good at tennis. But, you know, one of the most elegant definitions of jiu-jitsu I ever heard, and it came from Helsing Gracie. well, Mr. Gracie, sir, could you give me the definition of your philosophy of jiu-jitsu?

1:50:35 myself. I don't have to be insecure. So the guy says, well, could you expound on that? Of course, If you do this, I do that. talk circles around them yeah well some guys you know be aggressive and rude and attack them. I think they call it sophistry. Sophist, like a lawyer. Yeah. to counter my step gonna i do this and you do that i do this you do that how long can you keep that up how long you

1:53:14 But it's true. and these girls are just not going to catch up to me. And that's how he said it. He goes, but when she hit that armar on Zingano, 14 seconds in, You know, just so good at armbars. I saw a very funny interview where this guy was talking a little trash, She knew exactly what she was doing, too, by the way. You put on a gi and then you trash talk the girl?

1:55:35 If they're the same size. same weight. and then even if he's physically stronger, maybe he can hit harder, Usually, it's rare, occasionally, but usually women won't use power. Yeah, and you think about someone's guard, She carries a lot of muscle in that frame. Your legs are amazingly strong. Well, the difference between male and female legs is a very small percentage,

1:59:02 Yeah, well, man. Ha ha. If it's a child, I'll tap. He got me in this position. Okay. Like physically, I remember my friend Brent got me in a Kimura, It was the same thing happened. You got the ball and you go right back in or you're playing softball and you pop fly out in the outfield or you get thrown That's why I love the saying that the, like Henner and Huron, keep it playful.

2:01:37 It's very contagious. They're great ambassadors. Yeah. Actually, I came here just to see you. And then I'm going to be in, That's an old school radio mentality. Yeah, the comedian guy that's on there. He's actually come around about pot. No, I understand. It's actually a pretty cool show. Nice. I discovered a long time ago, about 15 years ago, So I help people with diet, fast loss, and, you know, what to do.

2:05:30 So people really need a lot of help just sorting that stuff out. All the years that we've been friends, Maxwell, maxwellsc.com. You're a traveling nomad, though, man. Thank you.