Joe Rogan Experience #628 — Garry Tonon & Eddie Bravo Transcript

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0:00 Hey everybody, this is a very special podcast, a very special Saturday afternoon podcast. I'll have to give the dude props. It's only 1962. I wouldn't know. It was a the 20s. I wouldn't know. It's only 1962. Rikidozan. Boom, right hand, and this just turns into a fight. Like, he's fucked up. This gets even crazier. Boom. Referee doesn't know if it's fake or not, I guess.

2:18 Oh, yeah, he's great. I mean, this, you don't fake shit like this. See, this is when the dude is desperately scrambling, And the bitch slapped right to the ear. This guy is getting the fuck beat out of him. The referee checks his eye. It's so crazy. This is a historical moment. Probably, huh? Yeah, he could have died. No metal Morris. That's his name on the underground.

5:12 Polonista that Rikidozon What does that do? they transplant it to someone's intestinal tract, and apparently it's supposed to be You think I'm joking. That's so true. you'd be at the operating table you get like vegan shit Vegan shit will kill you. It's so clear. when they got his hands up in the air. How horrible was it to watch? It's hard to imagine that someone could do that.

8:17 That's what he said. And stick it in the crack of your butt. behind your ass cheeks? Three times a week. The second guy died. I mean, the story's about that. The look the TI is always walking around the gun. He went to jail. It's like people are killing each other. They rape a 14-year-old preacher's daughter in the drive-in in one of the songs. okay so we accepted all that shit so not just accepted they sold it yeah and it was huge Shoot that bitch. That's before one less bitch. Yeah. You know what I mean? That's okay.

11:12 It was just a made up story. Dude, pull up Trinidad James, all gold, everything. He's going to take over Nas for me? So we don't get yanked off the air. I love this guy. Wow. on his nails he does wow look at all that cash this is like something you're acting yeah it is you need to start making videos like this to get more street cred in the jiu jitsu world

13:28 Not in the same crew or anything like that. He's got no criminal history at all. from miami and his name is stitches Well he's got a tattoo on his face It's 2015 He's got all platinum teeth or gold. I love smelling blow. I love, like, He's like, okay, I love selling blow. No, you're better off. He probably hates white people. Yeah, now what you going to do with it?

17:06 Really? It should have been Spawn or something, you know? That's a generalization. That's so true. people saying racist shit they go i'm not racist but then they say some racist shit like what's Or do you have to say N-word again quit breaking the law ass oh this is these are real tweets wellem well put he's got a point what a fucking moron if I say N-I-G-G-A

19:35 How come you can't say it? It's no big deal. It's not quite as strong as the N word, but it's up there. He's talking about Trinidad James. What does that mean again? hanging with black people they're making you too ghetto people think you're trying to be black the opposite of cool. and he's laying with the chick for gas up against him impossible everybody's kissing his ass all day he's really good looking

22:33 There was a recent scientific study done that proves that assholes get more chicks. and the men with scowls Yeah, but those studies are all, who are the people that were in those studies? or whether it's, you know, for whatever reason, You know what I mean? For a while, until it wears off. And you had to fuck more than Do today today? Why women would like a guy that's aggressive or an asshole because she thinks that guy could protect her

26:05 that have fucking ACL reconstruction. such a smart guy. at first it was just on an inconsistent basis, like once a week or so. that's like his main thing you know but uh yeah no it's definitely went over like our whole leg and I continually preach that this is it Otherwise, and then the offer's on the table. Otherwise, it's just not even a question.

28:30 Or something like that So he's not married. I'm sure he's done that many, many times. But on those points? Does he have a girlfriend? Would you consider him a player? you know, just like the little bits here in LA. And it's at the $14.99. And if you, even if you Like, try watching cricket. I don't know why they keep running that way. They became famous for just smashing people in the face with pitches.

31:28 Here's the question. Why would you not try to hit the guy every fucking time? were only throwing 60- 70 miles an hour. The speed a guy can throw a ball. He got hit in the, oh, he might not have died. Fuck. I got exposed to you by Eddie. Man, what a match. You know, what ended up happening was the reason why he did EBI 1 was originally I was going to do the Sub Only Worlds.

33:58 And he goes, but can I get my boy Gary Tonin in there for sure? And I go, well, what I'm trying to do I was going to put him in as a favorite. I was like calling it my name? It's a great strategy. and Scotty on the mat was involved, You were Vinny Magalhaes. the absolute you're 175 pounds you went against Bouchesha and Cyborg and those So that's crazy in itself.

37:05 I was like this guy is thick yeah I mean, I'm sure there's guys in Sao Paulo somewhere that are just as good. I'm like, go study him. And there's another cyborg that does jiu-jitsu and MMA, too. That's right. I got to watch that fight again, because, I mean, they could... Did you know about Cyborg's Guard it's crazy did you know about uh cyborg's guard like did you

39:42 that after that but I'd say he'd made leaps and bounds from that point uh you know i really i didn't uh i took his jiu-jitsu i mean the guys of today I'll tell my little jujitsu geniuses, you see that one new half guard sweep? And, oh, you're doing it wrong. A lot of people think that it has to do with strength and aggression and for you know you think of it as being like this thing but yeah so many of the

41:56 They figure out how to always have the best answer to whatever problems in front of them. Like, that's not the reason something's not working. like some of your rubber guard techniques that takes a long time to get flexible, and then you realize it's possible, and you go, oh. to learn, and the only way to get good at know what moves to spend this precious time with.

43:59 I think the compliment to that, though, is like, so you look at that. Yes. If you're constantly just trying to do what other people are doing, you're going to get caught up in that game and they'll always find a way to submit you because they've been doing it longer. even if it's a move that I suck at, I'm like, that's your move right there. so I like to expose them

45:40 I'm not ever gonna be And then I'll be able to attack with it. It's like a five-dimensional martial art. of that i since they want to tend plan they want we've i've never outlawed heel hooks or reaping Danny got really good at leg locks. It was you and Nathan Orchard at the end of that 16-man bracket. when I escaped the mount, I go to that. there's all these positions there's a path i didn't realize it was this exact same thing for

49:06 I mean, we're ready for whatever people are going to throw at me. I'm just going to learn how to do When you see someone dismiss him in MMA, like the Hayastan guy saying, don't do it because it's a last resort. there's just not enough people out there The guy knows that he has a confidence in his heel hook. and kind of what Eddie was talking about is I hear this stuff from Hayastan 10 years ago.

51:05 you have, cause the people do feel like we need to see it a few more times from different When Alan Belcher figured it out. he's gonna get caught but alan spent two months solid with uh dean lister flew him in uh davi And that's what he said. Trust me. of, or part of the future Looked like he's got it locked up. Romina Sato and joaquin hansen you're seeing kind of...

53:59 the leg lock game, right? just be like oh my god that dudes leg locks are amazing because they're going little bit more unique but i don't think necessarily i think paul horace has a better system okay paul Oh, for sure. He's been kicked out of camps and stuff, dude. You're nodding as well? They tried to crazy glue that shit shut when he was like a kid Wow yeah, he grew up on a farm

56:09 Pig slop. Did you see his fight with Fitch? How to defend He just shot for a week single and just sat down and went for a leg lock They're like, oh, shit, I'm not getting out of this. He's going to find a way to get to the leg lock. How did the fight go? Did he try to pull guard? god damn strong. Have you seen that video? I think he got him That foot's hanging

58:55 Jesus Christ. as attuned to it. You know what I mean? times before on tape you know what i mean um we don't have to innovate as much are you planning I wrestled from 5th to 9th grade, and I started doing jiu-jitsu. Are you in Manhattan? Yeah, somewhat connected. What's I think the most important thing is you go to whoever you go to if you decide to embark on your MMA career.

1:01:41 The Duke Rufuses of the world. and our guys go down to them for MMA. spend about six months purely on boxing before I jump into Muay Thai. You could probably do it Guys make the mistake of focusing primarily on boxing just because it feels good to punch somebody in the face. But then kicking is this whole thing where you're moving your body in a way that seems awkward.

1:03:29 Some guys never do that. or fill in the blank they can kind Like if I really saw that the sport was taking off and I felt like that's where I could make my headway and that's where I could make my mark, What's your advice? is best in terms of my development and things like that. I would imagine that that probably Jamie Varner was a former WEC lightweight champion, really tough guy.

1:06:09 He's like, don't try to prove you're tough. when some of my teammates had started doing some MMA. Like, this guy doesn't even know how to box. I'm glad that I didn't have to pay the price for that at all. No one's trying to hurt anybody. Yeah, it should always be like that and tough guys that are just trying as hard as they can every single role and they're not making

1:08:39 Some people just figure out how to get – And it's low risk, you know. what what do you how do you feel about uh what submission only versus the points game? it takes guys that are constantly hunting for submissions in training um and that's that's when And these guys talk about, oh, I'm going to use my jiu-jitsu. Oh, I'm going to wait for this guy to make a mistake, and I'm going to make this guy in danger.

1:11:49 Yeah, that's why the difference between the way Josh Barnett describes it, describes submissions And I think when we're talking about taking grappling to a point where it's a spectator sport which is like what eddie's trying to do in many of these And whether you win or lose, You know what I mean? So people constantly getting attacked, that attacks. It has to be about what's exciting about jiu-jitsu, the submission. You know what I mean?

1:13:23 and they're considered boring matches. It's hard, even when you find two people like that, I'd consider it, but it would take a bigger camp. me as a professional athlete. I don't think, I think at this point, awesome dude once you eventually you'll do you'll do it I've been skiing it's When I was a kid. And then one year, my friend's like, dude, you got to tryout scheme. You know see how you see how you like it now at snowboarding

1:16:11 diamond straight down. Snowboarding, I just feel like you're looking in one direction. You're locked into this board. Really, snowboarding and skiing That's it. Or Superfight EBI. Yeah, I would never, like, call him out amorous. Yeah, geez. I would never super fight EBI finish that made that match and they made the match for both of you it's it's Oh, oh.

1:18:43 So it's cool that something like that exists and I just think that we need to have more of those out there with grappling. It doesn't exist. into it, and they go, yeah, I've seen it a couple Because it ends up being when you see one match at a time, it's like a documentary. why we got it we with when we when the people that watched it back then got obsessed with it instantly.

1:20:45 And that's why Abu Dhabi is so special, because it's a bunch of 16-man brackets. what I'm trying to do is I took the best it's mind-blowing when you and MMA too much damage too much damage and then people are gonna get hurt and cut it's not gonna It's not safe. because the third after the third round was a draw yeah jesus christ that's how powerful

1:23:12 And I think if someone got a hold of that, someone who produces sports television and I put together EBI like if some old Jewish guy who owns some network said, I don't know to have a tournament. We got to see it unfold You see the drama. That I found in my closet All those mean looks And it says on the top, Can you imagine? Initial right there and right there.

1:26:07 Don't be coward. It goes to court, you know what I mean? Who said stupid things like that? Hoist had big balls to take that match. Everybody knew that. This was after the UFC gets choked out, right? I found it. It's actually a picture of him. I thought it was a cartoon, but we had more than one Eddie I have the same shirt. is so funny. He's a real motherfucker, man.

1:29:05 it's like his act super confident guy I'd never say anything No comment. It's not a joke. Oh, no, no, no. Yep. Oh no. Independent contracts for independent matches I think that's very important. Because I think if everybody just set that precedent and we created this market Gary Tonin. And then of course So if you're locked up to one organization, I'm sure he's probably saying to himself,

1:32:43 It's so silly to think that you need to be just the guy. I'm trying to get them on Finished everybody. Most of the people that are running these schools, that's where they're making their money. It's good for Metamorris. It's good for EBI I think this is the new way of thinking I think that is this this kind of exists in everything What's the best shit who's the best at this and you get guys together and you match them up with each other?

1:35:32 You know, I've seen quite a few of your your matches online and I saw the recent one when you You know, like, man, that was a, that was, he was there. Now he really doesn't. you didn't even leg lock him, you guillotined him. everyone on the internet goes, boring, boring, whether they're boring or not. I wish I had that kind Even when some matches are boring, I love it.

1:37:50 weird but but um in the middle of all that no one can say he's just saving show after show because Without you, Metamorris would be, You can wear anything you want the she comes dude come come in with some at the last time You know what? Straight fucking The only one who's wearing a gi They're greasing them up. We're trying to pump up Metamorris. Don't get me wrong.

1:40:28 What's that? Like when they're introducing you, you're like We're not together. I don't know, man. Try to do the Imanari roll. immediately. to come underneath him your time and your energy? good um you know my form there's a little off that's a nasty transition there's definitely You go right back to this. This is your go-to shit, huh? I wasn't trying to...

1:42:58 So I apologize for that. I ended up following him on Instagram and all that stuff. And then I drilled this with my wrestling coach. And then I'm trying to connect my hands and finally get it. I can get Zach to help you, Jamie. What's happening, Jamie? Yeah You just have your hands connected yet. that I see from half guard all the time? Yeah, that's a Marcello, or you guys call it high elbow

1:45:07 That guillotine right there, man, that was huge. I've seen him run through a high level black belt ten times in ten minutes. It's the same the same guillotine those uh what marcello told me is uh this feels so much easier for me. But what Marcelo says, and Danny does it this way too, But if he comes up here and I come this way, That makes a lot of sense.

1:47:15 one guillotine where, like, you know, He basically named the squeeze of the darts. It is a smart thing. Like people are like, well, how come these And that's what's exciting about people as good as you choking Kit Dale? Get the fuck death. Yeah, somebody overlaid Perfect. It's like you know everybody everybody has a problem with head trauma long-term for the participants.

1:50:16 and you realize, like, whoa, this is a, is not the best in the world then I do that until one of us almost dies yeah you do this then I do that or keep it up Isn't that the dopest fucking answer? I mean, that is kind of what it is in a way. Grappling, that's the most intelligent way. Motherfuckers and putting people in the hospital with elbows to the face like you try to get close to that dude

1:52:02 to throw, you know, you could take three dudes out if your striking's good enough. Right, like Melvin Manhoof. If you to throw you know you could take three dudes out if your striking is good snapped his shin in half. people around and you're in a melee type situation if you can be a John Donahue No, there's definitely an intelligent way to use striking, obviously.

1:53:45 Just ruining all of it. It just looks like they're smashing each other No, I know some really super strong and they're good Because before that, it was submission only. Not because I made it up. about the overtimes. Anyways the shake of Abu Dhabi has the most in influence the most man, it was incredible the If you get access to Netflix, you get access to 70 million homes.

1:57:18 They got this Marco Polo show that's pretty I think it just it's really simple. the reality is when we're looking at combat sport, we're looking at jiu-jitsu, we're looking at jiu-jitsu and MMA, It's a good way to slow the game down. the difference between no-gi There's no reason why there can't be one as long as it's exciting, the format's right, They have boxing.

1:59:56 That's a big drop. Okay. It would be perfect on Spike. it's Muay Thai. Glory is kickboxing. If you watch some high-level matches, these guys clinch up with each other and they blast each other with the body What do you think we should do with the rules of Glory? It's the true art of stand-up. and striking. And that's a big which is what they're worried about for tournaments.

2:02:50 have elbows in there because you get I mean, that can happen all the time. Use tournaments for grappling. Is this like a gospel? You're just adding elbows and knees. Glory is awesome to watch still exciting. It's not as good as if it was like full Muay Thai leg kicks across the front of the thigh. We're like, this isn't fucking MMA. what the fuck is this?

2:05:31 Standups shouldn't exist. Less people are going to buy your pay-per-view. sometimes a guy like Ben Askren That's a stand up for the striker. Why are you starting standing up again? Get the ref out of the mix. I go crazy. That was the Gary Shaw thing in Elite XC. And he's working a position that he earned. He gotjitsu is legit. He's a big fucking strong dude, and he's working

2:07:40 war. The crowd wants war. a league that took out stand-ups if you want to get back up, you didn't solve that. on top of you. So look, we're going to No breaks. I think that's real MMA. What's real MMA is no fucking breaks. Hey, I'm down with that. No breaks. A few less. friendly for gays queer genders transgenders, straight people that like watching dudes in their underwear.

2:09:38 You never heard of them? What's that? Gay guys are notoriously fit. They probably are. It should be their national Just don't get boners while you roll and everything will be fine. It's only homophobic if you expect the guy to get hard and you're upset before the match even starts. I think by blue belt, you learn to control it. And you're one of the horniest people that's ever walked the face of the planet.

2:11:49 was the opposite That's how probably girls feel, right? Does he make sense like she's so good at retaining garbage almost seems like she turns into north-south from the bottom By guys wrestling with guys. Right? Yes. Higher. You're not watching you to laugh. I nailed it. balls are right here. I don't give a fuck. I'm going to stop the choke right here. And

2:14:32 I'm not going to stop them from protecting their balls. Do you wear one? to start doing it Cups totally? I didn't think anything of it until I went to the bathroom after I was done rolling I would see what's going on. It's blood and sperm. It was I had blood for a few days though. There's blood that was coming out for a few days so I'm in constant protect ball mode anyway.

2:16:23 Would you be interested in trying it? That guy was laying on the floor Jocko does them too, a couple companies, but Diamond MMA, No, no, no, where it's soft. He wants to make like mouthpieces. It's jujitsu. You can still, if your dick is hanging out- I'm not saying I got a big dick. I'm just saying bob sap called he wanted his cup back. His cup was so tremendous.

2:18:41 Like, they're fucking you. angle. There's an angle. You have a Is it worth it? and then you switched it up and went for that triangle because I had just beaten a really good leglocker, Marcin Held, What if one of those, you caught them with early? What was I going to say? it from the bottom or do you sweep? I think my preferred finish, the absolute best for me,

2:21:16 Yeah, on top it's always better. and you still hold the lockdown? You've got to really scoot up there, and he's got to kind of give it to you. Your match was interesting because when you guys were commentating on that match too, I know that Gary, his guillotines are death. Was it a shock to me. love it. You must be just fucking obsessed That's bullshit.

2:23:58 So this is like 2004, 2005? You know what I mean? my instructor. And actually, I was training with somebody else first. And I was trying to escape a he would say, do you want to stop? fucking circle on his chest. kicked out of her by pie may. And she's like being held down by the arm, like, do you want this power, I probably should, though. You know, even his brothers that are younger than him, that are better than him, he's like,

2:27:19 You know, when a kid has an instructor like you that's so passionate about the game, like When you have a 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu or Henzo's Academy than Jiu-Jitsu in Southern California? How long is that going to last? He's in western Massachusetts, man. Fuck. No, not yet. Hopefully. I'm there. Be in Abu Dhabi You never know Gio seriously but there's a lot of closed-minded guys out there that are the best in the world.

2:30:26 In one month. crazy thing is geo got so good so quick he got his you know he's got his black is going to take him to the next level quicker. You know, there's matches of him or roles with him with Andre Gaval, in the world at 145 I roll with him all the time, man. Gymnastics. And they all got good, all of them really quick. So one leg's forward. It's not it's not that old-school standard basic break dancing that you saw it's true. It's geo their style is

2:33:57 And what he's doing is, and he's just getting started. Gary's very athletic. He's doing all sorts. and it's like a career. shining star of Metamorris. and brought Gary Tonin in. because people keep bringing it up. watch a couple of videos that we did in the past. And it's like Braulio and Adolfo. And both of them You know what I mean? Do you take supplements?

2:36:42 I eat a little salad every day, but a little bullshit El Pollo Loco salad or something, That's what it tastes like. You mix up some ginger, like a hunk of ginger, How about Garden of Life chocolate flavor? Good stuff. I'm not saying- But in terms of just my ability to do so on a day-to-day basis with my training schedule and with everything else, this is very, very difficult.

2:38:57 That makes sense. That's just silly. That makes sense in some ways, but in some ways it doesn't. He's young and his body has a crazy metabolism. So it is a matter of each ding dong. i stood up trying to last stitch efforts to trying to defend the choke it had nothing to do with I think if you put me in the same situation at a complete 100% right before the match,

2:40:56 I feel better about myself. Stop telling me to get the fuck away from the pizza. and turns it into what it needs to be. There you go. That's what he ate every day. Mark Kerr, I met him at the airport at McDonald's, Every Friday, my mom would take us to steak, a baked potato, and a ginger ale. Was that somebody else? We don't need to see all that shit.

2:43:24 Was it grass fed? Yeah, probably not that good with a piece of steak. Was it grass-fed? Yeah, it's supposed to be grass-free, right? It's probably more nutritionally dense for you. And the idea that it doesn't because it's a steak and the steak's bad for you, that's stupid. Yep. Do you use anything like defense soap do you fuck with that stuff? Yeah.

2:45:33 It's not the only... for so long A lot of times it's environmental. Just keep winning. Guy Sacco wrote a whole thing about that. No, just stick it. For the prevention of like skin study Bravo preaches that that looked at. I started to get sick. I was like, yeah. I go, what? train with him because as soon as he saw the fucking hole it was like let me stay the fuck away from

2:48:14 and holistically they were like doing like all these different weird things and he said he came This is why people died at like 25 years old, 30 years old, because they didn't do this. Just take some parsley. There's sometimes you need medicine, bitch. Yeah, right. You shouldn't do that with medicine either yep non-medicine heaven motherfucker They don't know if it was the combination of the chemotherapy and the cannabis oil,

2:50:22 They're using the measles virus and hiv virus Yeah, it's nuts. And then they wake up from the coma and then they're cancer free. right? Cause that is a big issue with jujitsu. enough they have advanced notice of the event coming up they know if they could whatever. Obviously the people camps get really, which is what happens in MMA, but it just seems like there's always a way to fucking hide it or an always way to do whatever

2:53:18 these guys are get tested positive it's kind of freaky something that ronda rousey said was kind You know what I mean in terms of what they should do or whatever the case may be with PDS EPO? I know of many that have been on EPO. Really? You have more oxygen carrying capability. training again and then they hold on to that blood for two weeks and then jack that shit back in your

2:56:18 Yeah. on at the end and stops that person. I'm stretching. It's fucking jiu-jitsu people. I'm paranoid. Pacific Standard Time 16 man tournament Okay, so maybe it's a rematch. God damn it. No one else gets paid, just the winner, to ensure urgency. Eddie Bravo Invitational is going down tomorrow at the Orpheum Theater. The Orpheum Theater, I'll say it again, in downtown L. Boom. That's it. Eddie Bravo Invitational. It's going down tomorrow at the Orpheum Theater.

2:58:59 It's Gary, two R's, underscore T-O-N-O-N. or going to see live on pay-per-view. And we'll see you next week.