Joe Rogan Experience #631 — Josh Barnett Transcript

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0:00 Go. They can't take that from you. It's weird, isn't it? The heavyweight division is weird. Sure. I kind of thing. Sure. of freak of freaks I mean when you look at Herschel he shouldn't be in the kind of shape he is at his Then you have the one dude that does your taxes. That's Mike a bunch of engine blocks out in the front yard all overturned mike lives this part of my brain yeah back here

3:13 ahead and shred down to 244 something because of 242 to do some photo shoot mr olympia a little So you're just like, you won the genetic lottery. He also has a world record for running through plate glass windows i know that sounds like yeah no shit he does right how He's also got a black belt in judo. I think lower rent American Gladiators. cruz is on battle dome was he really yeah he was i don't remember and then there was another guy

6:26 and mike would just practically take people's heads completely off their body it was it was Writer's strike. That's another one. Like, you're an employee. it's probably just ratings I think it was just ratings and what's not fair. Like, well, good luck. I mean, he had some years where he was, for all the all-purpose yardage against each other in little events.

10:02 do it. And Herschel Walker won every It's like Bo Jackson's out there crushing everybody just just eating yards up He said zero injuries over 117 fights or something. He just says he focuses only on technique, and he's never a strong guy. they come up across a guy who's either stronger and faster this fight's gonna to be so good. in those kind of wars and and and and make it out of there okay yeah that's true and honestly

13:22 do you see him diminished at all? Someone might get on Twitter after this and go, In the end, it's really only, it's up to you to decide whether or not what you're going to do is going to be successful. the beginning, but now you can't do that anymore. there's some guys that still have their fucking shit pushed in like it's certain divisions. Like there's certain

15:50 And I've known DJ since he was just this kid up at the gym who was too small to really I trained constantly. I trained when I still don't get it, but I know what you want, where this is supposed to lead to. because of the way I'm built, because of my I'm not really built for it. Okay. involve those things uh but it's what's that aliens but it's not take oh sure we've had alarm

19:28 The fan that does go that extra mile and learn about the history, learn about why this technique would work and who these people are and where But just not understanding, it's okay. And fighting is while it is something that is available and exists within every human I'll just try to kiss you or something. Something something along those lines what what year was Super Brawl when you were fighting in Super Brawl?

21:18 Your first ever MMA fight? guy's fought in super brawl right like yeah okay uh when it was like in 11 days okay what do i need We would either go to the park and he would have me do stuff like throw on the bag, the big army duffel and things like that so I would just I mean, it wasn't far from it. And there you go. Huh? You trained a while. It's cool.

24:53 There was like three or four full court basketball courts that went perpendicular to this whole thing. People would stop playing basketball and hang on the cargo net thing and just cheer and talk shit and whatever. was always you'd see a guy talking to his buddies about how tough he is hitting the heavy bag So I'm just this kid from Montana in their highs, even though I'm from Ballard.

27:03 Fucking trains in church basements? He's like, oh, I know. in trying to be a big shot, you will get your fucking teeth knocked out. And you don't that's And the dude just kind of chuckled, and he goes, by the time you're 24, you're going to win I imagine you could probably sustain yourself. this shit because you you were one of the i mean if you really think about it you were one of the

30:20 I'd like to, but I worry about all the people that would get thrown under the bus. And it was a story because I know you really I was going to say. And then Eric Paulson's like, OK, Muay Thai guys, put your gear on, guys. he's a big dude he takes his glove off they go on to tokyo the No way. the fight that you he tried to hold me down most of the fight and in the end they gave him the decision.

33:39 This story really pissed you off if somebody of notoriety came in, if you showed up right now, Joe, and he shows up and i'm going oh fuck that's so fucking him as many times as possible while I was at the gym because he is such a good fighter, but at the same time, he's a lot smaller than me. and weird timing signatures and good footwork. Why do you think he would say that?

36:56 And, you know, that being said, when we did spar, there was at least there was one time where i put him on the floor by accident just timed a right fuck uh six seven eight eight times whatever i mean he was there for a good bit and then he For that. It's not like we're trying to win. How many times do you think you sparred him? Fuck. And not because he's a bad striker.

38:39 Yeah, he talked about not pursuing MMA because he was such an expert in Muay Thai Here's the thing. And I guess you don't like Obviously, he got a large amount of success. Sure. If it was easy, everybody would do it, right? I want to have the both of you on a podcast next. You know, we never had a problem with Hector at CSW, really. When did he say that?

41:39 What the fuck, dude? I rub people the wrong way. But if you're an honest person, you're a real person, then I don't give a shit. That's not I'm not really impressed by people that can try to portray being something that they aren't or make themselves into something that they aren't. from team quest he wasn't going to train there anymore and uh i think he still hates dan henderson uh why

43:59 practice late and everyone's on the floor. Hector doesn't have a partner. So I just threw my shit uh lighten it up lighten it up fuck man are't scared of him i ain't scared and mighty mo's like man fuck you what i i don't need this i'm here to help you out i already got Not because he couldn't, but he wouldn't. I drove him out with me so we could all hang out, everyone could be together.

46:06 And, but go hard and try to kill people, and the one day. You don't want to go hard. You don't say anything, hector lombard if his head was right, fucking peers and that to anybody in his weight division he could he could he now could somebody have a counter for But, again, you know, you've got to be able to put it together. a way to bypass those things or to put them in such a way that they wouldn't even apply strength or speed where they should.

49:36 have the biggest toolbox out there, then you have to spend the time to do it. When the coaches are mentally drilling like gable says are you sitting there going through shot after shot after shot If you were going to start someone. And if you wanted to start, say if you were going to start First things first, what do you possess up top? You give them struggles.

52:07 goal is really irrelevant getting to the end goal is what's important so if you had to fucking do I understand. Turn them into someone who could understand what's going on in their mind I still had to have a meeting with the coaches before I could join AMC's fight team. over your own dick, The mental aspect of success, the idea of finding a goal, Pussy.

55:16 That's not what I meant. It's one of the best motivators ever. by having the wrong attitude, towards. That person who needs to learn this stuff has to have the right head. My old coach, guy's chin. You will make the jab that you possessed the most effective jab you have ever Marcelo Garcia talks about that a lot. Always trying to win. You know, they just fell off the turnip truck, whatever.

58:49 Sugar. Sugar's worse than gluten. the real issue is sugar. It's a, you know, Oh, my goodness. But the one thing that will help everybody, everybody listening to this, if you hear all We're digressing. Like if you had bread that was almost as least refined as possible. I'm cheese ball, white bread, and I've been known to be unhealthy to people. know you were unholy and satanic yeah all the above wow how long have you been unholy uh i think

1:01:57 You have set your own limitation at this point. John Wayne Parr decided he was going to be tapped out. And this guy said, well, he just doesn't have any talent for jiu-jitsu. and as much time hitting the pads, hitting the bag, He was like 185 pounds or so at the time, 19 years old or so so and he made it to top 32 whatever he fought like How come you're here with a white belt, training karate, doing forms?

1:04:48 But so what? You would love it. There's a great fight, Raymond Deckers versus Pinocchio, this Italian savate guy. You're watching it. A little kid? It's Pinocchio, bro. So this is why Ramon was still in the prime. And tags him with a lot of shots up top with the hands. Now, they're wearing those shoes. What do you think about that? well, he just axe kicked him in the face.

1:08:40 Wow, so I mean it's just try to really just watch Guy Mesger Ar what's his, Arona. There's no step before he throws the background kick. You can throw a Thai-style push kick. it's just uh the end of the hammer the head of the hammer hitting right into the point. There will be multiple instructors teaching all this stuff. Please just don't do it. a left high kick off the lead leg, but I

1:12:24 Probably was a good idea. Probably got a concussion. For all I know. Whenever you're That's probably a good idea, isn't it? Probably was a good idea. They get dropped or stunned or fucked up. I know the fucking stupid ruling where they say, oh, as long as you don't exceed a five, if you gave me 36 minutes, to go past the five or b this ain't the sport for you i mean we're not supposed to make it so when

1:14:11 even give them little knives or anything before a shield and a trident a lot of They should have been a better fighter, I guess. So what? And I started off doing 10 minute rounds just going you had no air conditioning in the gym, my arm on purpose because I couldn't get him off a mount because I couldn't expend that kind of God damn it, Eric Paulson.

1:16:51 Really? And everybody is, I'm more susceptible to it, I think, than others because I'm so white And some people do. And I had Megumi Fuji with me and my ex-girlfriend at the time and Eric and Hiroyuki Abe, my friends with me. Like, what is it about it? doing tournaments over over time is still great too but the one night tournament is let's see who

1:19:34 uh disaster and now they're phoenix rising from the ashes you know it gives such an opportunity to I think it's great for grappling. overlooked. I think that's important. Yes, I do. It doesn't need it. I'm just saying how it used to be. But so I agree with, I'm more towards that side. other thing with mma is it needs to be more attention to stalling.

1:22:49 you need to be a well-rounded fighter right but if you work so hard to get a guy to the ground he Right. and they can't get back up. And to work, I see. And But one FC allows him to think a guy who's stalling if you can't get that guy off you fuck you well that's a different fight You know what that is? I'm not suggesting that you just A double wrist lock, yes.

1:26:20 And, of course, with anything, even as the sport sits now, Yeah, it's a no contest now. Let it go. dropped on them and surviving it then reversing the fight dudes all totally totally petered out and Severn? Severn kept palm one of these modern refs would probably stop that fight. He said I had a nightmare. Right. Right. Ooh, look at that bruise. A real black and blue spot.

1:29:31 defense. You're not an intelligent ref. Yes. If Tuesday night fights should have one headliner type dude Strikeforce went in that, if you can't fight in one, you can do in the other, really. I personally don't have a perfect answer for that, There's only a few places. If you really looked at young athletes today, and the defense. Yes. So it's probably just a lack of the proper preparation. Maybe.

1:31:42 to say conclusively one way or the other. But, I mean, I don't know. What made you decide to go from Seattle and then live in Southern California? they were great guys. And I learned a lot from, they were very, very, very helpful, Hey. That's not true at all. How do you know this? And my mom caught me, and she never told me what it was until years later.

1:35:06 It's a true story. External douche. Different kinds of guys. Yeah, you need guys to shave guys that don't share. Oh, sure somebody's guard or something like that, sure, fine. into anything else, acting. You need to grow as a person, and you need to be able to. why don't you do this why do you like well no one they're not hiring me so that's why i'm not doing

1:37:59 So I give that dude his hero moment. Because someone brought up the idea of Roy and me doing Metamorris. If we say we're willing to fight and we're ready to step up and go, then you know it's legit. I gotta act. to finish the rubber match with Noguera, That's very huge, dude. Submitting Dean Lister. That's very huge, dude. the sexy spandex. Did you wear this like an homage to pro wrestling?

1:40:57 it's i think it's important to highlight those roots too for the just the lineage of mma because which you're talking about these three-hour matches catch wrestling matches at his carnival. that is where now all of a sudden you have gracie jiu-jitsu so it's sort of branched off from a works, you trained as a shooter. kind of wearing a costume. shoes they're like oh my god you're gonna wear shoes against dean lister oh you're i don't think

1:43:50 Are you kidding me? I hugged. Slow down. Yeah, he is. He was carrying around all that muscle, all that mass that he carried. He's so skilled and talented, too. Did you game plan? the choke, by the way? God damn. Who was the guy He used to do like hangman's drops? Yeah, he can hang himself and not go out and not break his neck. fucking neck was. He would

1:47:10 Right. You do it in a chair. But what he was doing See this thing? Yeah, that's craziness. I once, oh God, I've pissed off so many women when I've said, oh, hey, whatever, blah, blah, Like you have new tits. Yeah, I meant the say that I just get the evil look at it Mike. I don't mean like you have new tits well, if you said, Getting used to wearing a cup?

1:49:04 What do you think about Okay, then everybody's got a free ball. I'm barely 11 1⁄2. Hey, how you doing? that was fighting for the UFC. what are you doing going there? Have you seen where his dick has been? Not the same room. is hilarious i retweeted it this this fucking monsanto scientist was trying to say that um He goes, okay, we're going to get you a glass and you drink it.

1:51:45 with French cable channel Canal+. We have some here. Okay, then it's finished. Then the interview is finished It's like, I would drink it. You say something like oh you could drink it. I would drink it. You know what you would drink it His next-door neighbor got cancer. But then it came a point that they did know. We got it. Do you have to add all the other crap that's in it? They add all know is bad. You can die from smoke inhalations. Carcinogens are in there. Fine. We got it.

1:54:17 Just let them smoke it. So you say that American Spirits tastes like shit and the Marlboro tastes better. don't seem to be yeah well bertrand rus didn't he live to be like fucking 90-something? when they find out that are all against marijuana like this fucking guy, And they say that's safe, I'm sure you would. It would only help him. Yeah, it's gonna kill the AIDS inside of his body

1:57:11 would make them accountable, right? Chase makes 45 billion a year. It doesn't fucking matter. They just got a big fat fine. Brian's off in the corner doing I don't even know. you know me. Oh, easily. I mean, come on. Do you want to do five minutes? You're supposed to be funny, aren't you? I gotta do something that's going to And so I have an understanding, I feel, and from being around yourself and other, you know, I've not like I talk about a lot, but I've hung out with quite a few comedians and, you know, been there backstage for their shows and we're fucking around warming up and doing all this stuff.

2:01:59 of you and i have a thing in here in my notebook all on my phone nothing but bits so you've thought Probably not good for right the rest of what I'm trying to accomplish No? god damn it t T-Rex. And Adam does some monologue spots. who I don't really know, and then Adam. and we do the the the sit down with me and adam and then i take it from him and then i just start

2:04:56 I think, well, they thought it was funny at the time. No, no, I'm sorry. Fear Factor. fighting how many more years how old are you now 36 37 37 how many more years do you think you'll And then maybe he goes from there into politics. for me when that opportunity to for me to be a successful high level fighter is gone it's gone Who is this guy? prove that i deserve to fight for a title i can fight for a title against anyone in any league

2:08:36 Not necessarily, but just I got to fight when it makes sense to me. you would relish the opportunity to fight a top five guy. I've been top five for over a decade it's going to be they always give me such a tough fight and and frank mir is he's the he's the best Yes, that was a fight. That's true. He did all this stuff. way after the fact i actually saw him backstage and come up and shook his hand and said all right

2:11:58 look for for one i would make him pay for all the big mistakes he makes all the time like what big mistakes he's constantly That's one of the reasons why. Not necessarily. Has he? if he wants to add different aspects to it, I mean, I've seen him work with some of the girls before, It's about what he does to affect his game. But in the end, coaches lay the foundation.

2:15:41 in the world, but if your jab got better, so what? It's a success. It doesn't really matter what it was. That just sucked. so that I can prove that I can fight Joe Smith next And so I've heard things here and there, you know, Roy, one time was on a big, uh, rant don't even think i was in the ufc so gotten wins over me went through fucking hell to do it so they're

2:19:26 Yeah. I am a finisher. He kicked the shit out of his legs, and Roy just keeps coming forward. Oh, yeah. What was it? because my buddy clint doll did this thing called venom way He had all these people just show up as extras to just stand around, which I guess you were there hanging out too. For real. I don't think so. And two, what they did is the way they filmed all the fighters.

2:22:54 And basically just took the whole concept of how they would produce it and used it for Bodog. It was on TV. Did they just run out of money? It'd be him with a beautiful suit overhand right. Well, he always could punch. I just don't think Got tired. I don't know. I think so too. I think it'll be entertaining if it'll actually happen yet Couldn't do it the way I wanted to do it.

2:25:42 Get a phone. allowing it to really be what it could be. Abreu? Abreu. I've only seen it written. Christina Paziski, and Steve Agee, and a bunch of people Punchline, me and Tony. Oh, and I am at the is that? May 22nd. See you soon. Big kiss. Big kiss.