Joe Rogan Experience #634 — Abby Martin Transcript

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0:00 Wow, we are live, Abby Martin. How do you feel about that? You were like the person, everybody would say, Russia Today, who the fuck's gonna watch that? Russian invasion of Ukraine the Crimea situation they were like we should go there yourself and see it and you're like fuck that Yeah. Network in America living in Washington DC like what a block from the White House. Yeah

2:03 I'm assuming that everybody who's friends with you is on some sort of a list. It's not really black and white because obviously Putin is a dictator. Like, can I pay attention to Russia today? But I mean, he does have a huge That's basically in line economically with the US. I mean it's run by oligarchs just like the u.s is we're not talking about like communism versus capitalism anymore so

5:23 all these oligarchs that he throws So I don't necessarily take that at face value and say that like Putin has, you know, has Bill Prouder, CEO of hermitage capital management terrorism or political assassinations or just suspicious deaths outwardly and then just say A Memphis, Tennessee court jury found that. Who was that guy? That guy was it's and this is when people would give me shit all the time why aren't you talking about russia

9:06 Of course, you can call it criminal activity in other countries, but it just seems like people have a lot of shit to say without really understanding all of these different dynamics that go into global affairs, including myself. And then for a long time it went away you then you have the assad factor where russia is funding assad and then you have the u.s openly

11:08 So then going back to Oakland and the police state just showed up in my backyard once Occupy Oakland happened. what is this network why is it the only one covering Occupy? I didn't really give a shit though, because I was just like, this is great said there's no way I want to move to DC that sounds horrible but I just couldn't because we have to get the information out there.

13:21 Tell me one media source that is not used in some way to push a viewpoint without worrying about advertisers and sponsorship. It's funded by the Russian government. what you were doing that i thought was really interesting was you you weren't like easily objective reasoning. There's none of that. It's just this is a Republican, this is a I don't know.

15:44 That's what they say. They say, the experts's that fucking they. That's what they say. So it was a long time ago. Yeah. of a lot of political ideology and thought Chandra Levy, she disappeared, found was turned up murdered and he was never charged. where Lori had served as a consultant. i mean what a bummer what happened did she have a heart attack it's also when when someone does

18:50 disastrous policies on a domestic and foreign policy front they're indistinguishable when it As a result of the mandatory autopsy, however, it was deemed inconclusive. Berkland does not deny the charges. recording a brain tissue sample in a 1996 autopsy report. Yeah, I thought she fell. Sounds very sketchy. It can't hear you when you talk. everybody. Need to look into that. But there's not

21:25 That was the guy that was involved in what was it called? There was a lot of blood missing from his body, but almost none at the scene of the crime. That's insane, man. Yeah. going on with this? No. Oh my and fear. they said like death to America, started tying anthrax to Saddam They basically ruined this guy's fucking life. And then next they blame this other guy named Bruce Ivins.

25:43 days to die and that would be really awful for someone do it. There is no proof. He would never case he said they didn't want to reopen the anthrax case okay best case scenario on the anthrax this is the u.s government being complicit in a bio terror attack we went to uh duncan trussell And they're working on this stuff and trying to find cures for it.

28:35 Why was the Bush administration and press people on Cipro, which is like a really intense antibiotic for anthrax strain before the attacks even happened. And also, why would they frame Muslims in the letters? Yeah. And he had a song. Did you ever see the let the eagle soar? Oh my god. Did you ever see it? Bank of America guy is just working at a bank.

30:12 I'm MC Rove and I'm what yeah it's super weird really yeah no both of them let's go to Ashcroft Oh my god Die. I mean, what is she doing so different you fuck let her soar like she's never soared before what did she do? That's a person who has a mental illness. Okay. Is that what he said? Tear the tops off small animals? What's that? Wow they brought a black guy on stage for this

34:32 He's a treasure trove When you give him a chance He's so hideous. He realizes while he's up there, he's like have? Well, it's just one Those are really weird. a sketch which is kind of understandable if you're eddie, especially because he's fucking, he's talking about it If you've got a little dirt that you're trying to cover up your own stuff, you might want to shut the fuck up.

37:32 security guard at the casino they wanted him to tuck him into bed at night like he has all these Alleged that's allegedly sorry whether you know when it goes when it comes to be 30 women over, he was like, I'm going to send Nothing? That's a really good point and it would start chitter-chatter. And if you're a creepy old guy that's just not connected at all to regular people, you're just a regular person forever.

41:06 And then you have Gian Gomeschi in the CBC in Canada, the radio host of Q. And Gian Gomeschi is a really interesting case because he's like this, you know, attractive, like kind of hipster looking guy who's like had like rape culture debates and like is like a feminist, you know, and like puts himself off as like this guy who really cares about women's issues.

42:06 Start strangling them and just rape them. He would have this stuffed animal bear and be like, my little bear can't see me. It's like, don't tell me that you didn't know what was like the sandusky case the sandusky case where i mean everyone kind I mean, he was the man at Penn State. alive to see these women coming out because i really do believe that he raped them and um i

44:28 I don't know enough to really lay it down. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let the ego soar. Right. Those Bill Cosby's that call comedians. Don't rape them or drug them It's also some sort of psychedelic and made him talk about it. I've always said that if someone actually wants to do like functional terrorism, It'd be interesting to see what would take place.

47:35 And he cites something about the the site some nonsense about addiction addiction Like, dude, look at yourself. you can be a goddamn toxicologist and die from Tylenol. Dude, look up Jared Polis and the DEA. Is heroin worse for someone's health than marijuana? bad illegal because they are dangerous because they are addictive because it seems like she's stoned

51:17 It's a very rare person, like the type of person that would be allergic to sunflowers. and said that they're still going to prosecute individual marijuana users and They have a vested interest in continuing to arrest the same amount of people involved in is locking people If they made X amount of money this year, they want to make Y next year. And that's just what

53:44 Why do you say no, I'm gonna disagree because I because you're all about at the expense of the people, at the expense of laws. It doesn't have to be that way. I don't but I don't see how we can just turn it into a conscious functioning system that works with you like planet. I mean, if Ralph Nader never tried to, that weren't putting seatbelts in? it's airbags or, you know, they should certainly be encouraged. But I think that people would have

56:41 No, I'm not arguing against consumer advocacy. that are just all about the bottom line and maximizing that shit, chasing, you know, the poor, you know, in Bangladesh, let's say, just like No, I think there's certainly a point to that. Now? I mean, that's the real portal right now, I think, is the internet. in right now all of us whether we realize it or not this is like one of the craziest times in

1:00:10 running for president jed bush and hillary clinton are you fucking kidding me they are running right I just said why do you endorse Mitt Romney? I said have them come and arrest me. This is great film it get a lawyer yet go and meet this guy so i went and met this guy in like an interrogation room in the Capitol building with all of the bureau chiefs of all of the major media organizations in this room.

1:02:13 like you coming in here and fucking up that access in so many words it was very like house of cards That's what they said. that we've all been approved. It was like a 30-minute conversation, and after I left the office, I, like, taped it all on my phone because I couldn't believe that it actually happened. What charges do you get for asking a question?

1:03:45 What is his name? And I just... I got why people supported Obama. I don't understand how anyone can support Hillary I mean, is this just... I mean, it doesn't make any sense at all to have this system that we have in place. person these are politicians man you know who they work for fucking corporations they don't work for govern us. I mean, it's a terrible

1:06:21 Just can't and it is a complete facade and the fact that you need millions of dollars to even get on the ballot, almost, and maybe not millions, Well, they used to be able to get on Ross Perot, or you weren't alive back when this in order to be involved so they changed it they jacked it up much higher now i forget what the There's no independence monarchy running this country that our supreme court justices have more power than like the

1:08:55 degenerated down to is just who's going to pick a Supreme New figures just came out that said that 2 million people have died in Iraq and Afghanistan since 2003. than John McCain of all of her war hawkish ideals in terms of foreign policy. It is scary shit, at this stage of her life. the real creepy part is when you see Saudi and Gulf states actually giving her tens

1:11:13 Bombing the shit out of Yemen, the poorest country in the entire Arab world. What do we get out of bombing Yemen? Bribery, political bribery and hegemony and domination, and he's and he's saudi and he runs this institute um everyone check out the podcast on media roots It is. orthodox oppressive bastardized version of islam and they we look at them and say like this is the only good arab state like that is fucked because not only are you telling the rest of the world

1:14:05 They can't go to work. This is the shit that we're talking about. that you gotta put a stop to. the bush administration and he i mean bob graham senator bob graham has come out and said why did If you really stop and think about it. hillary's 2.5 billion dollar obscene fundraising goal that's her goal in order to become president Well, when Bill got blown by Monica Lewinsky, I was super bummed out.

1:17:12 cold war cuba finally got removed from the state sponsors of terrorism list yeah you can buy cigars hillary and then ran paul who now i hate right i don't like you right it's it's it's really which is one of the reasons why he's saying those things, in order to keep the coalition The Bridgegate thing, that was so ridiculous. That's hilarious. You're presenting this disgusting, slovenly, lazy thing that you, that's your meat wagon.

1:19:56 And getting your stomach stapled or whatever the crazy fucking procedure, that just shows But when you're stepping up and saying, I want to be a leader. Yeah, he's a dumpster. shaming someone who has Do you not see yourself being like, man, I probably Right. Right. We were like, what the fuck? I think that job requires so much self-control. I mean, I think those guys are broken.

1:23:32 And I don't think the average person is qualified to wield that kind of power. police force and he said that they purposefully vet sociopathic and people lacking empathy for Hilarious. As if your brain Iceland, for example, their police do have guns, but they don't ever use them. Yeah. Yeah. And you hear a bang, bang. reasonable conversation just kick down the door bulletproof vest gun down the door you know don't

1:27:19 Just overturned that what was the state that is just I'd heard that I don't know on them, and this has happened many times, in litigation to get their money back, then maybe they can. Totally legally. They're just punting him in the head. They didn't know. What? He's actually black. There's a lot of, setting up a crime scene. but like I said, what's going to happen yet? This is every day. The NBA players unit is investigating, the FBI, I think,'re going to sue the police. It hasn't really come out exactly, but like I said, what's going to happen yet?

1:30:38 There's sources that were outside of this club filming it, and people are saying, They didn't rough up the white guy? He was just sitting there in the video. with me? And that's when, what the video You know how all the people are saying, you know, we're the moderate Muslims whenever there's some sort of attack. That's Tennessee. That's Tennessee. That's one

1:32:22 They've got through nefarious ways and then you figure out a way to catch those people and take that money from them but as soon as you allow He was a reserve, I think. Like, you know, you have Obama doing these diplomatic negotiations with Iran, which I completely support. un-fucking-heard of it's like since when does this asshole get to come out and kind of like usurp

1:34:21 So it says here, I love this, the red state, the title, Tom Cotton, rock star. do this is how these people talk like this is actually happening that they're worried that I'm just reading what they're saying about him. Especially a guy who's got a little PTSD. Total douche. between Islam and the West. that take these to the extreme. That's not good genetics.

1:37:50 There's going to be people like that, right? and he got in and he showed he's playing the game he's doing what everybody else did making everybody money I wonder I would were all magically freed and it's really creepy. And when you hear him talk today with very measured tones and very measured sentences, you know, I would love to see that kind of a conversation with Obama in the future where he could really tell us like, like what was going on during this whole drone thing when you were getting the statistics, when you're realizing that 80 plus percentage of the people that you were killing were innocents.

1:39:45 80,000 people have died under the U.S.'s war on terror in Pakistan alone. And we've never sent ground troops in there. We've only been using More people have actually committed suicide than have died in Iraq. smedley butler wrote that famous uh piece war is a racket back in 1933 you could read that and today and when guys are involved in that and they have they go in with this ideal they really are

1:42:01 And I think a lot of soldiers who get in just out of desperation and then they realize that what the fuck are we doing over here yeah what are we doing If you add in, that's probably where the 65 minute thing comes from. That's hard to believe. itself, the actual real story is very fascinating. I think Chris Kyle as an individual, it's a very, Is sniping like heroic?

1:44:09 You gotta snipe them no that's bullshit and snipes like a fucking 150 people Clint Eastwood actually inserted things that weren't in the book at all, And in the book, when you read excerpts of Chris Kyle's book, He didn't kill enough. Yep. Though it is usually cited and older veterans yeah most of the suicides involved That's ridiculous. Just like a cop, just like, there's no perfect human being.

1:47:29 If you look at what those guys get paid, We hold these events every year for the Intrepid Institute for Traumatic Brain Injuries. So you're left with this guy who is a Navy SEAL who's been involved in, And you know, I'm like, Yeah, it's yeah, well they turned out to not be true right that was one of the things And then so you have this culture of support.

1:50:02 scumbag and i hate him, but I understand culture when you have like a global empire and a shitload of guns and people who have American exceptionalism and think that they're the best country in the world that can do no wrong and You have to have this team mentality. He leaves Halliburton, becomes the vice president. like Obama steps in. In 2012, this guy steps in, or 2008, this guy steps in or 2008, this guy steps in and you get to see this, this scenario play out where this new entity steps into this machine that's already been established. He has all these ideas in his head about what he's going to do. And then once he actually gets in there, you see what he's really doing. It's just very little, very little, little I mean very little different It's really a lot of it is business as usual and it almost seems like

1:54:26 You're like, well Like I pulled out sort of Goes together to when you look at like the global Empire and how it all works like the extraction of resources and all these countries It's all fucked, man. keep the machine going and so it's like they don't even know it's just weapons and bombing I don't know me because you bombed the shit out of all of these different religious sects that Saddam was actually had a stranglehold on

1:57:49 we'd never do that because pieces of Iraq would fly off and he was like it'd be a total disaster doing because they point out the possibilities and the capabilities that we have the hydroponics because if we keep reinforcing the fact that we're different because we're American and we're white Fuck I got so much hate last time I came on but what a his whole thing is why he doesn't criticize Israel.

2:00:32 Islam is still worse because our intentions were pure. And he's a friend. you're apostate you're supposed to be killed if you you you're commit adultery if you commit There's a billion and I think it's like 1 6 one-fifth of the world's population is Muslim. have a conversation with him specifically about it like in a debate which would be kind of But he said, this guy in this video was talking about if someone says that whatever punishment that should be deemed out for anything,

2:03:44 be a better way to deal with this. very strict rigid rules like you were describing there's being wahhabi yeah inside here's the and single out islam in terms of the rest of the religions when there's been so much military Well, you know, I don't think either one of you are wrong. You know, I think your point of view Or Twitter is the worst example of it 140 characters like good fucking luck, right?

2:07:04 that's just the people that are dead, man. I think it needs to start with stopping. we don't need your help. And we need to do that for ourselves. So the angry people are dead. if that's not what you're doing if you're not killing the was there a million army people that Chris Kyle protected. Don't know much about him other than the numbers of people that he killed.

2:10:25 He beat dogs? It's like, I can't even. Well, to me, this is what the beast of capitalism turns into. sort of massive shift. I think everyone knows deep down that unfettered capitalism cannot and will not last. And every empire falls. And if we We have the smartest people in the world. saying that capitalism well they're saying capitalism is the best because they're saying that capitalism is the best

2:13:34 I see good in both. And I think that a lot of European countries have done it right, and understand how we can incorporate aspects of both because being unemployed for the little time that I have been, I thought it was supposed to be free. I've never heard anybody argue successfully that it's a good plan. If you have a doctor that has some extreme ability to fix knees

2:16:03 care of education and taking care of health. Yeah, no, and that's exactly who it affects. And I'm not going to sit here and praise Cuba, care of like healthcare as a human right and shelter as a human right. And so that's why you Yep. It's just amazing. stimulate ideas, get people Now that you're not at RT, what are you going to do? RT found me through Occupy Oakland coverage, but it's just a multimedia forum that I have a hub of

2:19:28 Just let, and definitely leave a comment section. This is going to get ugly. We have other parties. And if the DOJ or federal government wants to, you know, usurp people's rights, then at least it will be really obvious where they have to say, like, we don't care what you voted for. What? the public has not had any sort of like, we have not seen the text. The only

2:22:13 And a lot of people are calling it a corporate coup d'etat because it's done with completely no oversight. yeah one of the whole chapters and it's going to be like it's going to send more american jobs knows about this it's awful when is this supposed to be fast-tracked through? It's like going back full circle. Damn it, Abby Martin. Yay, there we go.

2:24:24 Where I put it? I think that the positive takeaway is that there's so many people who are like-minded out there. empowers you, and it also motivates you a say. But when enough like-minded people get together, then you do have a say. stopped and coincidentally that's when the isis activity picked up right afterwards and then all You just gotta hone in on your passion and what speaks most to you.

2:27:06 That's a couple hundred years ago. That ain't shit. Mostly Italy, but a little bit of Ireland, too. you know what? to change in terms of like the way America was so radically different than the countries that And I think that it's unfortunate that you have politicians now, you know, on the backs But if people would understand that happiness comes from something much deeper and that's why people in absolute destitute poverty can be happier than the richest person in the world.

2:29:54 they already have a shirt because America, Why would I think it didn't exist? you have a lot of uh war hawks that are on that side of the aisle populace not living in fear. Powerful lefty. Powerful lefty, Abby Martin. Down with war, man. Let's do art and hug it out. Thank you, Abby. and that's it.