Joe Rogan Experience #637 — Remi Warren Transcript

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0:00 Okay, we're live. Remy Warren. How are you, fella? Yeah, it was kind of like in the wind there. It was not, we didn't have a network for it yet. So I've been pretty pumped about it, because this is something that I've been thinking about for years. Yeah. that just sort of walk towards them. And it's the cost-benefit analysis for the wolf to attack that bison while it's standing there isn't great enough.

2:57 So when the bison sees a human, it runs because that's how it stays safe. where it's a pretty famous painting. And I'd seen that. This is from the 1800s. And it's attacking, like, through the show we find out that. No, that's not it of those skins on our back and see what happens and it is attacking like through the show Oh, millions. That's what Steve was telling me.

6:00 and what his what his paper is basically saying is that the Plains Indians, once they had figured out how to ride horses and shoot from horses, were already on the way to wiping out the buffalo. Really? And during that, and they were apparently like probably the number one predator of these bison. And they were just hanging around next to the Native Americans?

7:49 Because apparently, a wolf can gorge like a hungry wolf that's really hungry. Like you went to the supermarket and picked up a 25 pound turkey and you ate it yourself. Oh, yeah. Nothing compared to a wolf. And I'd been hunting this one bull. and I was telling him this same story. You see the elk So how do they take it out? elk into deadfall because the wolf can go under and over the logs up and down back and forth

11:29 if you were there or not that was going to go down i mean that's nature exactly we were i was I mean, it was right there in the open, like in this burn. staggering now oh yeah it's well when we talk about the american model of conservation there's And it's kind of interesting. that's when things get weird because you've got a lot of people their version of conservation

14:16 no limit on the amount of wolves you can shoot up there you can shoot as many as you want oh they i It's nuts out there. Even, I mean, not that the boundary of the park makes it more animals, but it's set up. Yeah. If you fall and break your leg and die there. We really I've seen what they've done. Well, if you aren't around it, it's so far removed

17:59 that's what I wonder what what the future is gonna look like in a place in the long future because At what point, I mean, maybe it's 100 years down down the road maybe it's a thousand years down the road at what point do they essentially become a different temperament of cat much similar to the ones in of them to mountain lions. They have so road and I thought it was a coyote at first.

20:09 because every year at the same time, Tohono Ranch, which is about an hour plus from here, there's a great hunting spot. we saw, Yeah. very different. It's very different The pig you get because if you buy pork But he said that if you leave that fat on, it gives it a lot more flavor, a different flavor. Do you know who Joel Salatin is? They eat acorns, and they eat like a normal pig would.

23:35 with the skin on oh that's good really with the skin on we just you just burn the start a big fire big whole pig roasts. Oh yeah. Was it a wild pig or was it a domestic pig? Technically they could get I mean there could be mice because they would eat the feed Because on apex we I wanted to look at a lot I want to see something like that. Pull that up, Jamie.

26:18 Yeah, man. Blue Heron spears a gopher. But he speared it. The bigger fish, they'll spear other ones they grab. Oh, yeah. Harpy eagles killing monkeys and sloths flying off with these sloths Seriously what a shit deal it is to be a sloth oh that's crazy oh god i mean it's And went to this lady. they are a crazy predator. Yeah. I've seen some videos of them killing wolves.

30:21 They had much, much larger birds of prey in North America. Yeah. Because with skunk spray, a person can pick up parts per million in a way that you can't with any other spray. where it is like they don't just go fuck what is that they go it's over there it's over there Really? distinguish the difference between the smell of an elk and where an elk's been you can actually

33:57 So smells are the hardest thing on the planet to describe. Yeah, I don't know. Wow. Just deer funk. What is if you doing this show? people have trained their whole lives to do or whatever you know be efficient free diving so i we get over that, within That's insane. and it kind of really comes out in this TV show. Well, it only makes sense that if buffalo have a natural instinct to avoid bipedal hominids,

39:26 That's pretty wild. It wasn't long as you stayed down? It's a horrible feeling. He did something where he took like oxygen the they they would use um holding their breath underwater it was one of the strength and conditioning programs drop it and come back up for air That makes sense. Are you breathing? and like rubber Crocs so that you, When you get out,

42:54 around 30 32 35 degrees it's like it gets really cold and then immediately your blood just rushes There was this guy named Bob Caffarella that I used to do taekwondo with. he would take cold showers and it was fucking cold. and I remember trying and I did it a few times, it is yeah It's still around. I wanted to That's what I'm all about. So if all of a sudden it disappeared, wasn't allowed or whatever, people didn't understand it,

46:31 it just seems like california is such an extreme example of people who don't have experience with As ridiculous as the premise might be or whatever we're trying to do, misconceptions about hunting and a lot of it comes down to giraffe out and that they were going to use it to feed these villagers. There's a benefit to it because that animal wasn't going to be around much

49:29 Yeah. They're antelope, yeah. Because they wake up and they're like, another day with no lions. Which is crazy. and so the guy would hire these professional hunters The giraffes were the hardest thing on the place to inoculate. How it happened or what just whipping in the wind and killed both of them? Whoa, but so the the guy was that maybe hasn't had giraffes for who knows how long,

52:59 figure that out but they were the hardest things to shoot with a paintball gun so there it is in the places that aren't hunting where they just are for photo safaris or what have you You have a limited amount of food supply. So then he'll either sell the meat or give it to people living there, working there. new ebola type thing they don't have anything africa's crazy yeah it's funny ebola the one of

56:11 Yeah, we don't realize how big it is. Jam-packed. People think of it as like United States, Africa. they go over there shoot animals and pose with them and all the pro hunters get on their side and No. It's like, oh, woman hunting. Yeah. This show will blow up. Not transgender. I don't want to go that deep into it. Solo hunters, and I've just got these stilettos, these pumps.

59:55 Tend to lean right wing gay hunters i do you do oh there you go i know a few of them that are actually guides like He's an older gentleman. I believe he's calmed down but back in the day like maybe 10-15 years ago I'm like, come on, man, get out of here. where the person that is homophobic But I think because of the internet and because people are kind of understanding people a little bit better could hang out with that would share in your racism or share in your homophobia.

1:02:44 Even people that like to eat meat, they have a hard time with furs, right? But leathers not. Leather belt, no one's going to get crazy. What is Ronell's term? Nobody gives a fuck if you shoot a moose. They're fluffy. They're like the most acceptable rodent ever. That's right. But squirrels are cute. They're fluffy. You've never even tried it? with a pelican and ate it.

1:05:08 At a restaurant we ate at But dove, if you put dove there I forgot, yeah. That was their pigeon farmers. squab salad and other things. that's it's like that's locally sourced man that's pigeon from yeah i can see that like it's from my yeah well they literally are iraq spiders if you have an allergy to shellfish you also have an Like, they would ask people, what are your allergies?

1:07:46 Where his mouth or his windpipe was closing down. They had eaten the cockroach. I guess there's levels of allergies, She's fine. Let's put that on cockroach allergy. I'm skinning it. I don't know. But I mean, cook it, eat it, I love antelope meat. It's just something about elk. Body-wise? And the Fish and Game Department in Alaska sends out a thing saying,

1:10:45 Dude, it was crazy. My lower back just started throbbing. brutal experience to say the least. Does it carry it? Oh yeah. We had to pack this thing. Eight days of just carrying these animals. hours you know 30 hours of just straight carrying holy fuck it was in it I got, and I got really sick on that trip. So we're doing these caches. Boned out. No bones in them. Just meat. Wow. A hundred percent meat. We took a picture where

1:13:20 From camp, the summit was 2,500 feet from our camp vertical up. water but sometimes the gestation period of a lot of things you pick up i did drink out of one stream come back and i just got super sick it's gale force winds 70 mile an hour winds and i'm and and I just so happened to throw it in. On your back? And because of it, it ended up being one of the coolest trips ever.

1:16:33 nothing is better than some fresh elk steak over the fire. Yeah Realistically. He puts a 130 pound rock in his pack. He does it. I mean, he's always hurt. the average person sort of wallows in that stuff but you know you have you have to you come into Like it doesn't hurt I mean it hurts a little but it's not her it doesn't hurt like someone kicking you in the head

1:19:50 And, like, it accentuates. Just punished. Right. have shot a deer well if hunt a lot of people don't realize as hunters it's not always the It made that memory. that's sitting up on the mantle. Why is that one I don't know. it'll it'll happen you know for me it happened i started i would when i was younger i never wanted where it keeps me in the field longer because if i shoot that first first deer i see i i would be

1:24:52 I would love to set the Kent up, turn around, look. shooting a turkey now oh this is cool yeah we're We're going to go shoot this. I'm going to eat that. and you can only, it's like a meal. track my run thing on. But it's not even lunch. So like six ounces, eight ounces maybe? But I know, but when you, it's just the pursuit of it as well. Figuring out how to approach them the right way

1:28:09 It's a goat that lives in the mountains, but you work your ass off for it, They have a wild coat. Yeah, they're cool. Oh, yeah. Wild looking. Mm-hmm. I watched one of your episodes of Solo Hunter when you went after these things. What the fuck is that pounding? for people that can just use them anytime they want. Yeah, because, well, yeah, because it's tough terrain.

1:31:26 but we want them there and they can't get rid of them. Who knows? a lot of people there would want them all gone, if they flightless birds because they're a lot easier to kill than a rabbit and so the non-natives eat the And that birds apparently are on the on the menu for deer deer. Yeah, that's interesting. No one knew this is a really really recent

1:33:36 Especially the females need it when they're pregnant, There's more than one study. Yeah. Foxes and weasels only took one nest each. When a herd of deer came by, the deer walked up to the struggling birds chick. Wow. I'm sure there's a lot. like immediately seek out cubs that's like one of their favorite things to eat i've heard that It's really fucked.

1:36:51 started eating her cub. Mom, why are you eating me? Because we start out doing a TV thing, and you have these ideas of what should happen, And one of the things that I've come to the conclusion of is it's not as easy as you might think. We have guns. on the challenge and the experience for them as well as a lot of ideals as far as okay well i'm a your hands and there's some other dudes like you got to catch them with your teeth can't we all

1:40:31 And I thought, yeah, I mean, that makes sense because really it's all hunting. sometimes where obviously the only intention is i'm looking for meat and i need that meat now have to do what happens shoot it with my bow in that particular instance and i had to live with that decision and yeah i For me, in that moment, it was about putting that bison down.

1:43:25 sleep and then i couldn't i didn't even sleep that night and it was raining we i think we got back to the tents at 1 30 in the morning later it'd been just dumping rain we lost the blood trail failure or whatever but you know even in solo hunters or other things there's a lot of episodes But I think it's really important to portray it for what it really is Yeah yeah what it really is is a difficult pursuit even for an expert hunter like yourself it doesn't

1:45:19 Like you go through the you felt the emotions of a hunter. And that is what it is to be a hunter. i just know i think it's weird it just gives you a massive disconnect and that's where all But for me, meat is always an animal. And then my other guy didn't want to do it either. But for me, it was like, okay, well, now it serves a utility, a purpose.

1:48:26 Why shouldn't you? It's really lean. It's very common to eat in Europe. Try it. their horse is even more intimately involved in their life than a dog because they ride it yeah oh and like that horse worked it carried I don't know if I'd do it again. Were the bears there? Wow. what is a horse? Like you rarely, I've only found one. Wow. left is one of the horns yeah well what happened because the when they fall along the air pressure

1:53:00 Wow. so stumbling upon things like that just seeing just seeing the well you especially having seen Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. ApexPredator.tv. Oh, okay, cool. I'm Remy Wong. I'm going to study animals in their environments, learn what makes them successful, and challenge myself with nearly impossible hunts, giving me raw skills only create drama and other things and make it educational where you can still learn and do

1:56:51 beats in it to make sure they kept people Yeah, because I was just bare-handing everything. I just got charged, tackled this pig. Yeah. and the pig so why did it charge you they're just I don't know just had a There's Dan. It's kind of stupid. wind up doing with them i let it go but i tied it up with uh i had some p cord because the whole Getting behind it and then throwing it down putting a knee on it and then tying it hog tying it

2:00:41 I had to climb up the tree stand and we let it go. Wow. I mean, I've had elk like wounded elk come pretty close and getting at me but that was just because somebody messed up and it wasn't uh it's pretty I don't know if it works, but I know that a lot of people were getting into that. I was guiding a guy that plays that football has to steroids is, it's similar

2:02:53 conditioning programs yeah understanding recovery and how to enhance growth and all these different Yeah. He'd rip you in half. it's just like getting in a car wreck daily for your job, against the NFL, It's scary. it by not sparring as hard um trying to um spar less and concentrate more on strength and conditioning drills know much like what we were talking about earlier about the mental aspect of just being tough enough

2:06:26 So you've got to just deal with that and just recognize it's only a sensation. Like, there's some things you shouldn't fight off because, like, you have to realize as you get older especially, you realize, okay, the reason why I don't want to tap here is because of my ego. Most of the time, that's the case. There's occasional injuries, but there'll be occasional injuries if you do any kind of sport

2:07:32 ACLs, ACL in pretty good shape i mean because you're running it's a sport we're running with what i started That's a yeah They tested your VO2 max, and you're, but it's just by hunting I am training for that. i have happy i can i'll hike all day every day for years spot and stalk hunting my legs were fine but my lungs were like fuck dude you could have prepared us for

2:11:13 And you, you, you have to stay tight. heaving and coughing and hanging on to the, the recovery time he needed in between sets was Nothing crazy. It's normal stuff. Just do that for a week. And with a guy like you, you're putting in the numbers for your hunting. Yeah, that's exactly it, because I've taken out and hunted no no I train for this is what

2:13:59 What kind of pack do you use? How do you spell that? Yeah. Because you don't want the weight, you know, you want it above your hips Good job. And then the rest was downhill. and we ate at this pizza place. It was probably the best meal I'd ever eaten in my life. I don't Was the narrator The same bear sound At every commercial break Did you see him? Where is he? That's what I heard. Just bear sounds in the bushes and the camera shaking.

2:17:43 and then they cut to commercial much fuckery was going on, And then there's the wolf, and then the guy gets off the horse and shoots the wolf. He's, like, supposedly tying it on the horse. And it was like this really badly acted thing And you look over, the bear is eating a filleted salmon. They laid it out there for the bear to eat. I can't watch it.

2:20:05 It's really dangerous war-torn areas not just experiencing it from a video or reading an article about it but from actually being there about it. Like I decided to go into a river wearing stilts. This seems like you're trying i learned something about that bird that i would have never learned otherwise and it was like this so how deep was that like how much penetration you get like so like four it's deep three still

2:22:51 Did you get anything? Yes. My DVR has four of the Coyote episodes on it for some reason. And then again at eight. Yeah, I hope so. No, I enjoyed it. They just know how to do it. think of them as these loudmouthed drunken dummies who don't really care these bubba type characters and people who are drunks are going out there really repulsive way, from all the people out there that I've run into that are real hunters,

2:26:36 there because there was this model it was that bubba hunter guy and i wasn't that guy and do it then they would recognize that and maybe change the whole the whole way things are going Yeah. Don't get me wrong. me to smile behind an animal to me means it's not disrespectful right there's nothing wrong with you life of an animal to for to communicate that in a way where someone could be listening to this

2:30:32 they realize oh we're just involved in this weird culture that has this this compartmentalization It's so much less struggle and less suffering than being a domesticated animal that's raised to be slaughtered. And you have to control the game animals because, look, try living in upstate New York where you can't even drive down the road without slamming into a suicidal deer.

2:32:16 Because the people are running into them. And I always laugh and say, when is when we got here? Yeah, exactly. how we've adapted and learned from nature. we have every animal out there can possibly beat us in a certain way or What are the other ones? And if you, when you're done with all this, what are your next ideas? So one thing that I would like to do is look at camels and the way they carry water.

2:35:37 very arid climate uh what else there's um i'd really like to look at the way mountain lions on and then us with our bare feet and then How tough did you get your feet? He's such a goofball. service so they've got all these like tricks of making like a rope a paracord fake sandal so Glass and all kinds of stuff. something that comes by so we've got all kinds of fun stuff like that um when you grab the deer, are you going to try to kill it, like with a knife or something?

2:39:31 ever have issues with people that have problems with hunting i don't really that's one of the And I've seen Rinella have conversations with people that were kind of anti-hunters. really sit down and think about it if you're talking to somebody that like myself or you know There's something, it sounds like, oh, no, it's not. this thing in the wild and understanding the the roles that we have my role is the predator that

2:42:06 And maybe I would just become a vegetarian. My mom's stepdad, who we call Grandpa, he loves fishing, big, like loves nature, hiking, other things. that process. as a direct result of your choices that's something that we conveniently try to distance ourselves from yeah so if you can be part of that process then it's not something or whatever, and a lot of them have now jumped into hunting,

2:45:50 lot of conservation organizations that you can join say wild sheep foundation or elk foundation because he's awesome, bigcountryoutfitters.ca in northern B.C. Stalking, hunting, butchering, the whole deal. there for the experience like people that go in with the expectation of a certain size animal. Yeah, or like, you know, I think the, or, yeah, like they pay for a hunt.

2:47:59 No, it's not. ApexPredator.tv. really appreciate having you on we'll set it up right now See you soon.