Joe Rogan Experience #642 — Rich Roll Transcript

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0:00 Are we live? Oh my goodness. Rich Roll, ladies and gentlemen. How are you, buddy? It helps. Why? No. There's more and more I have not heard that. Starbucks has what? and mix it up with yogurt Oh, Starbucks. if people want it. If people want it, they're going to start making it. Well, people are tired. Is that not on anymore? Believe me, I did not want to do it.

2:22 And I have total, like when I i i've been traveling a lot and Yeah. I fucking I had probably 10 VCRs in my life and never figured out how to record one of those Have you followed that at all? They own the show. does it's definitely not based on the number of downloads. No, it's definitely not. It's based on new, like it takes precedent, new subscribers and also comments.

5:32 before it settles into where it should be. Like, do you know what that means? Like my show this week, it's got a banner, you know, There were nothing, though. What's your average download per show? Yeah, you don't know what's going on there. usually um and then there's youtube which is tens if not hundreds of thousands, usually hundreds of thousands. And then it's never tens of thousands.

7:40 Well, it's just a number thing. That guy's captivating. We went back and forth. He's also very honest. I'm not necessarily 100% his side. He knows what he's talking about and so does Shade. not just people pleasing the whole time. Well, I don't think there's anything wrong with disagreeing Is it non- You know, where are they at? Just to try to figure out where they're at and try to cover all the bases.

11:50 he's still close with and I was talking to one of them recently he just said we and you're taking classes from a person that you think is a dumbass, which does happen. psychology class I don't remember the exact circumstance but I remember with this guy but still present good arguments or are you going to have to go along with the way things. These are the facts of history that we're aware of. Instead of,

14:56 and you have to kind of clean up that mess as you get older. How about learning how to eat? So how do you make your kid enthusiastic about that? I remember when I was a kid, I would be into a lot of different things. That's what I used to do. to do. And my parents were like, why do you want you know, they're raising their kids. Like people that were, if you're born in 67, that means your parents were if my parents were born in like 47 right my mom was like 20 when she had me

18:06 So there's sort of a weird, like light dusting of Mad Men era on them, you know, and they're Yeah. And for me, I chased that without ever really, without those critical thinking skills, not their fault. The amount of information that they had available to them back then, wasting all my time doing shit i don't want to do this race is not very long this race is going to

20:48 approaching 50 it's like what it you know if I died today what was you know You see those people holding hands and walking along. is what life is is life is the moment being in the moment and we somehow have turned it into this Who are these people? you see this explosion in kind of lifestyle careers where you're not wed to a geographic location. And I think you see young people who are asking themselves those very questions,

24:19 And in every generation. They'll get it better than we're doing it. didn't make it to the end of it. It's very well done. global 2045 initiative yeah that they were having in new york city where all the futurists got together I mean, I'm just guessing. I think if we can get oil from Saudi Arabia, how the fuck can we not get water from Antarctica? how hard can it be to desalinate

27:53 I think whatever it is to the left. have bought $20 million houses Apparently it's pretty hard. So I don't think that there's been as much incentive in the past as I mean, there's... They always have. five acres right here. Well, guess what? In 20 years, for whatever reason, that might not be a It's just things shift. It's not to exonerate You can taste it with your face like when when you get out of the airplane, you're like, whoa, this is crazy.

32:45 And it's interesting. And I think it, you know, what you said about this idea of human beings and this idea that we think everything is static. I mean, I think that applies across the board. Like we think these cities will always be there, but we also think that our lives are somewhat static or that our relationships are static or our jobs are static or our bank accounts, all of these things, you know, we kind of agree to in this social contract,

33:03 Yeah, I definitely did. But there was no highways and sky rises. That's what Hicks called us. It's out of control. We're not symbiotic. the uh side of profit and uh and and success and oftentimes at the expense of what is that you They just don't have enough of an impact to really change the environment around them. They just killed everything and they fucked it all up for the tortoises.

36:48 really fascinating how they set this up. And then it got to a point where it was nothing but Judas they start spreading Lyme disease. And there's like humans and animals and they all act in And what we don't do is really understand thing that's like not part of our wiring and it's not part of the... The scientific method is by definition reductionist,

39:01 that people have, eventually someone smarter will figure out a way out of this mess. Yeah, Elon Musk is going to And who cares? and I was like, Isn't that what, you know, Well, and then they would go to the audience and the audience would like say something that would But it's really just, you know, it's this weird social interaction between human beings

41:41 He's the master of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cincinnati? There's nothing wrong with a guilty pleasure, though. Are you talking about me, Joe? vegetables i eat a lot of it i think it's good for you well vegans are an easy target And that's just, that's just your diet. So, you know, the way that I try to communicate the message is just to, you know, live my life and, you know, sort of stand where I'm standing.

45:05 wrong way, that somehow or another you're going to shame them into changing by being really you know, there are super hardcore animal rights activists movement you're part of, and that we can get into the whole idea of how we're wired to be on teams I mean, if you're really trying to convey a a message being really shitty about it is the last thing well look at

47:20 a contest it's gonna be you versus them you say something rude to them they're Are you a card carrying member? the people that are kind of you would characterize as, you know, There are those people for sure. seeing it, they become progressively more frustrated. And that frustration turns to resentment, that resentment can morph into anger. You had nothing to do with that

50:05 like there's certain ingredients that certain people have when they're born and also inclinations And some of that, Thinking you used to be a fox? You never heard of that? but the actually chase them is that is that a result of encroaching habitat by urban centers or no no get away well they're just they're part of the you know natural cycle of life they're just trying

53:14 And in the grand scheme of things, more sustainable than the way that, you know, the average typical American. I actually brought you this documentary. Did you see that video that they got of a drone video of these gigantic pig farms? See if you can pull that video up, I haven't. You really should see it. See if you And it's all coming from these factories right there in front of you.

55:28 Apparently, the smell, if you're anywhere near there, is so bad, you literally feel like you could probably light the air on fire. we could all benefit from taking a harder look at. You know, when we talk about global climate change or greenhouse gas emissions, we talk about fossil fuel use. And you know what a big one is? That's an insane amount of water.

58:05 your leader and show me how you make your food he would just be like you guys But I think the gravamen, like the majority of it goes to grazing land and growing crops for livestock. like billions of these animals that we're specifically raising to eat you know and it's You don't have any food. Well, if you're a vegan, you really don't need to worry about anything

1:00:18 you know, like these, that are so oxygen deprived that nothing can live in them. Awful. We don't have to, like, reckon with that on a daily basis. And, you know, like if you go to Cowspiracy.com and there's a section called facts and they kind of break it all down. It's not going to human beings. they looked at all the different things that have corn syrup in it,

1:03:08 is not really necessary. afford to grow this shit if it wasn't for the government? If the government didn't pay corn And it's like it's the same price it was when we were 12. You're going to eat the shitty food. This is too cheap to not do it. I feed them. Like they're not going to, you know, they're not going to, And so they have like a bloody pair of underwear and a chicken.

1:07:22 seven more eggs today just because of these assholes that's not that's not like effective i think that if you're if you have well it just becomes a different thing those people who's like oh it repulses me and i want to throw up you know like i got into it for is kind of the way that I have to do it because Right. Because otherwise it inhabits my consciousness too much.

1:09:14 So it's like, But when I smell that, yeah, it triggers that thing. I've got to itch it. It's, And then midnight on Saturday night, that motherfucker would go off the rails though but why would you i'm not saying that an atkins diet is a healthy diet because i don't deficient though. We just don't eat enough vegetables. But is the Atkins diet fiber all these places is a friend of mine he's amazing guy you should have him on the podcast he's

1:13:33 He became a writer. Loma Linda? so the seven-day advent adventists how do you say it seventh day adventists yeah it sounds like it's weird word they are like you say it even if you're saying it correctly it seems like you're And one of them, distinguishes them as, you know, from the way that we we live our lives now, right? too is having purpose, like sort of identifying early on in your life, you know, what your purpose is

1:16:40 community, you know, in a very intimate way. Yeah. Right. Yeah, it's crazy. We need to be talking about the fact that one out of every three Americans Diabetes is insane. You know, we're sending these fast food restaurants to these places, And like as you were saying before, if you could have a day where you could cheat, And that's where they're getting their pleasure from.

1:20:20 And he kind of looks at these big food companies You know, it's like, why is it so hard Like, you know what I have a real weakness for those sea salt and vinegar potato chips. Excellent. Excellent. You don't need to. It's tough. The kettle chips are tough. Fucking real hard, right? I's my guilty pleasure. Oh, yeah. It's tough. I have a friend who's vegan.

1:22:40 or Air One. Without egg. Be careful about that, folks. I couldn't agree with you more. Because it doesn't have the sugar. Like nature figured it out, man. Like, why are you trying to, you know, it's just like, the more you focus on eating these kinds of foods I don't have any direct experience with that. And he would have to drive this big truck I believe Nate Diaz eats like that.

1:26:34 And these people are trim, and they don't have – look, they're not getting diabetes, and they're getting a tremendous amount of glucose. I think there was something wrong with him in his last fight. But is there higher dietary requirements of protein for people that, like, say, compete in powerlifting or things along those lines? Maybe you guys can pull it up.

1:28:37 Our videos all fucking weird here because we do it off a TriCaster That's like 50 pounds. Do you guys that it was. How dare you? How dare you lie to me like that? That's like 50 pounds. vegan. Like a bull. that guy's enormous what terrifying yeah it's a different uh it's a different animal especially powerlifter or strength athlete, if their, if their protein requirements are, are higher. Um,

1:31:01 We're talking about the building blocks of protein. And we're specifically talking about the nine amino acids, you know, he uh he was in a plane crash and had to get skin grafts and got off of his vegan diet I'm just stating what I heard, what I read about him after the accident. there's a there's a feeling that you eat especially body reacts to it like your body has like there's

1:33:41 kale shakes in the morning i'm call them Hulk loads. I talk They're like, I'm like, look, man, don't worry about whether you're going to do this I change it from day to day or whatever. is to all kinds of things that impact your health and how there's some evidence to suggest that the quality of your gut biome can impact your cravings, right? Yeah. That's an interesting point. Um, well, that's absolutely a fact when it comes to, uh,

1:36:11 sort of stimulus that gets to your brain and it's altering the way you want food in your body. You know what I mean? you but on some level obviously you did, that's the complex nuances of creativity, right? like trumps the number of cells you have in your body by like a factor of, you know, some, We talked about this, I believe, last time, the various forms of probiotics that you engage in.

1:38:12 Says it makes me smell tough shit. And they had to pull everything. and I started brewing it in my refrigerator. That's OG, man. Old school. That was long before GTs or anybody was doing this. And then somewhere in the late 90s, I started finding it in stores. I mean, very rarely. to fight off immune or fight off disease better. But the example that I always give is from Sup Size Me, the Morgan Spurlock documentary,

1:41:21 know first breakfast and then he eats his, whatever he ate for And then they seed into your gut, and then they start to propagate. We're an unhealthy gut bacteria for the planet. fascinating. these weird asshole mcdonald's bacteria living in my gut and what I need to do I need to get some cucumber bacteria down in there to fuck with the irrespective of the logical choice after you've been educated. Because I think that's equally

1:45:30 I'm going to start a training camp. Like I run into people and they go, dude, I lost 100 pounds from your podcast. Oh, you did? Yeah, you know it's crazy is actually done Chop that off. Whoa. But what is that why do people have to do that? Why if they ruin everything with their nonsense? Do you grow your own vegetables? It was like this – I saw this when it was a fucking seed in a little container and put it in the dirt.

1:48:47 Also for the kids to learn about what that's all about. But I found out about this new invention yeah this guy in australia had a lot to do with him raising all that money. I mean, I think I looked at it maybe a couple weeks ago, and I think it was like at four. invented a beehive that essentially has the bees. It doesn't disturb any of the normal natural processes

1:50:44 But it's really fucking cool. I mean, the idea is that you're not disturbing the bees, right? Cell phones too, right? You know, this is like normally when you get honey, it's like this really complicated process. this is like, you know, it gets into like, splitting hairs, like, it's like, all right, And they brought them in the middle of the night, and it was like, okay, are we going to have swarming bees?

1:54:16 them, but not that I'm aware of. We have, in our property, we have They fuck with their head. the, they had these people, they had to get handcuffed to a pole or something like that. And then we covered them with bees. And while we're doing this, the beekeeper told us that we had to stop filming because a local population of bees had came over to investigate his population of bees.

1:55:43 Are you guys taking our pollen? No, we're not moving in. Are you guys taking our pollen? That's so amazing. I was high as fuck And he was like you could tell You know he wanted to make sure that there was nothing fucking with this interaction this strange right because he has you have like the beekeeper guy yeah well he's a deep respect That's pretty interesting. Yeah, it was really cool. It was really cool seeing them all get together and try to figure it out

1:58:09 I mean, I can't begin to, you know, it's like I know very little about this. But right now she's gonna stab those babies Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy. archaeological dig to extract There's so much going on there. Have you seen the ant death spiral? Just how amazing and fascinating complex it is. This is an ant death spiral and this is when the Queen dies

2:02:08 But the idea being that they're following the scent of the queen, But ants have the almost exact same What's the average height or weight of a person? You can make them do it? So you can make them do it? However, should enough of them lose the scent, But it you know it came about We don't think of them as as alien as they truly are you know if an ant was the size of a dog it was

2:05:34 Have you ever seen ants carry large things away? I haven't seen that. I don't know. I forget what it was. just like they follow the scent, Yeah. Or flies. here we go. We got something. What is it? Entomologist? Don't get confused. deeper you find out his educational background and he's uh he knows a lot of shit about weird stuff Have you gotten down with the show Invisibilia?

2:09:31 It's another kind of NPR offshoot. And his mother realized very early on that there was some purpose to this. a bike. with blind people. And he's like, that's bullshit. Like everybody could learn to do what I'm doing. aspect of your brain that, that needs to develop in order to survive. One of the best pool players Right, so this is the guy from the podcast.

2:12:32 The answer can be found in the clicking sound you hear. By the time he was 13 months old, both of his eyes were removed. And even hike alone in the mountains. Using sound to see can be a hard concept for a sighted person to understand. What the fuck? But Daniel will tell you he sees his environment as a series of images with depth and character and richness.

2:15:07 You have here a blindness profession, the blindness field, Well, in the animal kingdom, aren't they training these German shepherds that can smell cancer yeah like early onset of cancer they're you what part of france they're they're growing these fucking grapes yeah well there are these I wonder if there's anything like you're getting a signal of no signal.

2:18:43 Yeah, I shouldn't say no is the wrong way to say it. You can't see that. Student science experiment finds plants won't grow near Wi-Fi router? Yeah. And that something in the air is probably disruptive to other things that are also in the air. So rare. I think there are certain signals. Yes. no, no, I ride my bike all, Box Canyon? which is why that's a dry lake bed.

2:22:49 what they're worried about is that if they start digging and cleaning up that the the dust is going The real concern that the, apparently, according to what I read, that the sober environmentalists are concerned with is the rocket fuel that's leaked into the ground and the pesticides from the golf course leaked into the well, Scary shit. All these things we have to worry about and think about.

2:25:05 All the new medications are constantly coming out, side effects. and they were walking down the street. But they're bopping down the street And again, like you're saying, like looking at the- the condition that you're trying to treat and there's a there's it's too the stuff. Yeah, imagine if there was like a plant that cured zits. dried out your skin feels like shit yeah i mean look you know western medicine is fantastic if

2:28:29 that becomes a sole thing you're chasing. you actually do get a product to market, you have to protect that product. You have to protect that rational guy, you know, so the idea of sticking, you know, sort of like the idea of meridians and my friend who's, he's studying Chinese medicine and he's still kind of in his residency. So he's I think the placebo effect is powerful.

2:31:19 But is that better than saying I'm not going to explore that because I think it's BS without having any direct experience? Like, so for example. to be at work in five hours and if I go to sleep right now I can get four hours sleep and you look at that Wouldn't you want to just work with a bunch of people and find out, Even before that, there was a guy that was working with all these MMA guys

2:33:31 work and after badgering him with a bunch of different questions he but this zone healing thing That's just not true. And it went away on his arm. The method is a trick, but that trick is effective. But I think that in fairness, you know, acupuncture and traditions of Chinese medicine, these Believe me. Yeah, probably. It's nothing like medical school.

2:37:18 But there's a lot of herbal medicine, I think, too, you know? You're doing something to deal with it. modality, any type of therapy that's actually effective, even though it doesn't have any real Really? I'm sure there's been. They've done scans on people that were in deep REM sleep and different stages of the mind. That's the reason why we have opiate receptors and cannabinoid receptors and all these different

2:41:02 Right? are in place yeah i mean it's it's been huge in my life i mean it's so counterintuitive like i Like I've never been able to like hit momentum with it. that you can do. And I just put the earbuds in and he just kind of talks you through it. Buddhist monk. And he lived basically in relative seclusion for like 10 years as like a Buddhist then he um right before he once once he decided he wasn't going to be a monk anymore and before

2:45:24 and I'm able to, you know, I've got a lot of stuff going on right now. It's like, you know, it's just, and to be able to kind of not get anxious over that it's powerful too, to be able to kind of stand in your space No doubt. That's very cool. I'm going to look into that. I'm definitely going to download that app So, you know, what are the, you probably talked about this a ton on your show already, but

2:47:47 you're constantly getting it right now we're sitting in even though these are very comfortable of sensation of the fact that you're in water that will eventually go away if you stay still long In the absence of that input, your will experience physical quiet. There will be no input. In the absence of that supercomputer that can fix things they go oh well look at all these issues you have you have to

2:50:47 and, you know, again, it goes back to, you know, Western culture priorities. Like this is not, as much as the next person. And generally it's not very kind things that are looping, on those positive thoughts. Right. That's just as powerful, if not more. That's it. Yeah. And to end this podcast thanks dude how do people get it? Not once every two years or something.

2:53:14 Thank you very much. peace