Joe Rogan Experience #645 — Joe Schilling Transcript

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0:00 Alright ladies and gentlemen, tomorrow live on Spike TV is Glory World Series with me my man Joe Schilling, last minute edition. You've got to fight three times this night. I mean you fought three times that night for four rounds your first fight before you what it did well it was just a ridiculous fight too yeah i mean it was the whole tournament was

2:10 never really bothered me that much and in the last fight he was holding me a lot and just the rounds, and then you go into the I've been smoking since before I started doing kickboxing. I would think that maybe smoking And my coach, you know, was against it, obviously. I trained really, really hard. that's a big issue right that a lot of people that watch fights really have no idea the energy

4:45 That's pretty true. How is that an experience thing? And then he like, you know, he stalks me. in my career where it's like i've worked my ass off for so long that like kickboxing comes natural to me you know and with Up until it got to the ground, it just seemed like you were having a real hard time getting up. But once they actually get taken down and actually get held down on the ground,

7:13 Your style of fight is kickboxing. It wasn't like real significant submission attempts, but it's just keeping you from doing the shit you drooling and slobbering and fucking sweating in some guy's That's a way better thing for your lungs, right? I mean do you have the time another training camp for a different style for another sport but it's really hard to have a fight and then immediately go right into another training camp for a different style or for you know for another sport and it's uh you know it's

9:47 with Carlos Condit Carlos and you Right. Like, that's what I would wonder. The last person, you know, I knocked out Simon. It got said. It did get said. It got said. fought bellator in june and then i was going to fight kickboxing in August, the end of June, July, and August, I wouldn't be doing any wrestling. I mean, I still train pretty much the same.

12:32 So training-wise, it's still the same for me. was walking out or limping out for the you know after i beat simon the first time i was like on a shower and was like taking pictures and i'm like he's like, can I take, I won't take a photo. Damn. I mean, for all this cigarette talk, I should get sponsored by Marlboro, right? You should fuck the Reebok deal and Marlboro

14:29 What kind of smoke? Three different guys. Yeah, those vaporizer things, though, they have helped a lot of people, right? Going on fucking nicotine. I heard that they had some big fucking thing and that they're getting ready for the whole distribution. All of a sudden, people have these weird Republican right-wing views. I'm not a big fan. They keep it lit or keep it burning.

16:56 But I don't think it's nearly as bad for you as the tobacco with all the jazz in it And they're fucking stalking his home, scaring the shit out of him. How did menthols... but they figured out a way to brand them so they appeal towards certain ethnic groups. Your fingernails are always dirty. Yeah, pretty much, yeah. My mother used to smoke Kool's.

19:26 Never thought about that. I mean, I don't eat like fast food and shit like that, Chicken salads three times a day. I would try to keep carbs under 100 a day, and then as I got closer, it would be under 50. There's got to be a significant point of, you know, what you would call diminishing returns. and you go, how in the fuck does that guy That's not even 155 now. He gets on the scale, it says 155,. You're like, that doesn't even make sense. Like, that's not even 155 now.

21:34 That's the dark secret of MMA. They pulled him out, took him to the hospital. I mean, I've had some really, really bad cuts in the past and obviously the yeah the performance wasn't good but there was a couple And I had to like tell him like, I'm okay. where the guy was like in the back cramping and screaming, crying, Like, wrestlers only seem to be happy when they're miserable.

23:32 I guess there's a badge of courage attached to that. Like when those guys enter into, school going to college going through you know olympic trials and whatever to do the the the he wants to uh talk to uh guys about possibly putting uh some sort of a limit as to how much I think the real way to do it is probably to weigh someone like six weeks out.

25:52 It just seems like the other option is the day of weigh-ins, Like, would you walk around close to 200? Like, this is what you got to weigh. Yeah, but they'd be bigger. But in wrestling that's okay because no one's kicking you in the head. Right. When you're in MMA or kickboxing, you got a real issue because it takes a while for it, Yeah. really help you that much yeah like you see a guy like chris weidman who fights at 185 he does not

29:05 210 period in shape out of shape whatever like i don't i'm not the type of guy that gets fat you Oh yeah. Like, look at him. Dos Anjos looks exactly the same, too. I'm very excited to interview that guy. Yeah, because Dos Anjos was in insane shape. I want to find out what this guy's doing. I mean, that was the first time in my career where the guy that I weighed in against and the guy I got in the ring with were like two

32:35 You're sore all the time, right? It knocked out Simon, you know, so it was good. okay, Yeah. I didn't see that. I didn't believe him. That was fucking crazy We talked in depth about sensory deprivation. shit and he's like So as he walks out, as he starts walking out towards the end, I'm pretty sure this is it. yeah but what i was going to say is that diego what he does before camps is he would do only

36:32 Right. And because he was in such good shape, he was able to take a tremendous amount of punishment. I mean, BJ dropped him just a couple minutes or so into the first round I wonder why that is, though. But in the kickboxing tournament, I fought three times in in one night and I won the first fight by knockout Just went take care yeah we'll It was just my body just was exhausted.

38:58 Like you can't, like he's like a dude who's a little dude who people have been fucking remember those fights? Fucking blood, face swelling. And then his cardio is so good that in the second round, he's back again. Chuck described it to me once, and he said the way it was described to him Let's just do that again. Most fighters think, like, you know what, if I just have one more camp,

41:33 gym like how much confidence can you really have when you're walking to the rink like right two And he just went out like he got shot. See, that's the other thing. It's like if You sleep in that? She just can't stand the smell of it because it smells like you're sleeping in a tent. That's actually even better than training at altitude MRI machine and it's actually the purpose behind it was to like cure diabetes or treat diabetes with circulation problems or something But they're in the process of getting it

44:47 The pressure is filling up and dropping. Mm-hmm. You could hit up Ascent. A lot of fighters use it. Creating lower pressure and thinner air, just like you'd get on a day of skiing up in Aspen. Get in there. Your ears will pop like shit. using that machine huh i'm like yeah really wow because i mean as a smoker joe i gotta take every The water bottle just like a gorilla smushed it.

47:41 Yeah, you referred me. I haven't been yet. That's amazing, isn't it? It's almost like a head rush like fucking cold air going in it was almost like a whip it. It was cool i've heard people like using it for training so yeah what's great for training you know it's great for problem Did a lot of research with dolphin communication. How could I get away from that?

49:59 You go, what the fuck? That's how all the Van Damme movies were. Holy shit. That's the best part right there. This is amazing. Yeah, pre-K, maybe. that he has in his fucking head. It's this little girl. Here's the video. Watch this little girl. Oh, I saw this. Every time she's throwing these punches, her hands are in the right position. Somehow that's... There needs to be some level of where the fight should stop

53:22 and then somewhere along the lines he realized that if you just had water that was filled with salt, that you would just float in it. It's on a timer so I get five o'clock in the morning like sometimes. I'm up real early and I'll hear a Samadhi, and he kind of taught them how to put it together and manufacture it. And then this guy will eventually crystallize and then i've done that before accidentally the power uh kicked off

55:40 So then when you lie in it, you don't feel the water really because the water is the same temperature as your skin. So in this image that we're looking at right here, They're great for you. It's something that you've probably never experienced in your life But something about that salt just gets in there and scrubs the inside of your colon. No. Yeah, he just probably wanted something up his ass.

58:10 fucking pianos were coming out of my ass he goes i was finding things that i ate when i was a kid How much weight did he drop? That's dangerous. Yeah. Yeah, that's one of the ways people die um from dehydration one of the primary ways Like, even here, when we're sitting here, you know, gravity's pulling down your spine. because your body's like hey there's nothing going on here.

1:00:43 I wonder. there's nothing touching, it's an You can some people get a little cla happens? Or, like, you know? You just push it. in there which is annoying and then once uh once i'm done squeegeeing it i shut the door go here And if I have a, like a jujitsu moves, it's great for jujitsu moves. Like I'll drill jujitsu moves I'll pull the guy in. and now I have to, you know, reestablish another position.

1:04:02 Do you do stuff like that? And then now it seems to be every time I talk to him, And when I get off the phone with him, my mind's just going insane based off the conversations we had. interesting to me so i've done that with with my fights you know like uh you know watching a fight chair I'm sitting in I can see the the my coach, my coach's faces, who else is in there,

1:06:28 is there a possibility that, So you weren't nervous. right it's not is that possible yeah i mean alleviation of anxiety is like a negative in is when when i really rise to the occasion when when people start telling me that it's an easy Great fucking fight. and he even had a famous boxing coach um forget his name diaz in his corner um pedro diaz yeah

1:09:18 spinning back kicks his way. Like, what the... You know, he is sharp as shit rising to the occasion fought better than he ever fought before you can't take nothing away from him I know I still got to take it seriously. And, you know, we're always finding new things to work on. you know, that they work with on a regular basis. You're going to have some sort of a mental coach

1:11:36 tank and it's mic'd up, which would be very But because you're in an environment that has no light in it at all other than the screen, like that you would absorb like information like how like the rotation of the hips and, you know, especially doing things from a first-person perspective and showing. Learning some guard stuff. round starts standing you know so you think that people should win fights based on not fighting

1:14:14 when it comes to kickboxing. Ben Askren just ragdolls him, ragdolls him, tosses him to the ground, and can do that consistently. comes to holding motherfuckers down you does but when it comes to holding hendrix and matt brown fought in a muay thai fight it was a it'd be a completely different fight if Yeah, I agree them and throw them down and get on top of them you can only kick box with them yeah i agree but

1:17:20 from doing that I mean that's that's the reality is I can't allow these guys to Yeah. They also judge control. But MMA is about a bunch of shit. I think that's bullshit. And it kind of works for boxing. If you watch a Muay Thai fight in Thailand, the referee actually knows what's going on in the clinch and if there's not shit going on in the clinch they break you

1:20:14 but you know Like with and Mike sit here and complain about my fight. I really don't care. But who was the referee? else if i don't do my job there's consequences but and and all the athletic commissions on a incompetence which is just speculation no one knows but she had a series of like really ridiculous And I'm not the person that hates, I mean, what drives me nuts

1:22:43 is they thought that Manny Pacquiao was going to do something different than what had They had the scores correctly, but it was marked red versus blue. There are so many guys that have been doing it for so long. You know, they're appreciating everything that's going down while you're watching a fight. reason there's three three judges it's because if one of you makes a mistake the other two will fix

1:25:21 And that should count in the scoring system. It's because they protect their own.'s like the head of the athletic commission writes when uh you know one of my fights i got i got swept, what was questionably an illegal sweep, And nothing happened. They just didn't count the eight-point must system. Yeah, there's a lot of shady shit going on when it comes to judging.

1:27:49 Because if you don't understand what the fuck. pain but he's on top but the other person all they can see is the guy's ass from the other side they as close as anybody alive. We used to use a smaller one for the WEC and for the hard rock fights. It's so big. I don't know. I think ours is 25. Which I say. into the cage now and financially it seems Oh, tell him what's up.

1:30:29 was getting 2500 or something for his and that's the only sponsor that you're allowed to yeah allowed The champs, the best guys in the world get $40,000. I'm an idiot when it comes to business. I was like, God, I wish I could speak that well. both fighters and hotel workers, which is not really true. body that's not a state-run thing in new york yes so there's no you know the benefit of having

1:33:35 you know, in New York, They own 20-plus casinos in Vegas, and they're non-union. He doesn't mean like the UFC shows up and starts beating up hotel workers. He must be in charge of it. Let's make some money. Let's put this fucking thing together. These are the two biggest fighters in the world like this fight has to happen, it has to take place. And then, you know, Pride was supposed to send some fighters over here, but it never happened.

1:36:58 Those guys are slick. They essentially had a library of DVDs and tapes, which good luck making $65 million off of that. Yeah. Right. Fedor to come over I mean they tried hard to get Fedor a lot of people don't promotion there. Like, it's just They wanted to be the UFC and M1 Glo... about one company that fucking no one knows And then he goes to strike for us.

1:40:05 It all went away. and we are interested in selling pride and then you know then they get together and everyone Why did the referee have a headset? Well, there is a problem with some of the fights in Pride that were clearly fixed. They almost killed Masato trying to get the win over Bukow. Masato had to retire for like But, yeah, it's fun, man, the glory early days of MMA and kickboxing.

1:42:28 Waited my whole life for this. It's amazing. lately on on some really big cards and uh yeah man they just need more push they need to keep That's all it is. I mean, seems to me like that the product is there Yeah. watched the countdown In a combat sport, you'd be like, what? take any breaks like you know for whatever how many rounds she's making him do or how many minutes she's making him do

1:46:05 It's one of the reasons why I can't wait to talk to him. Right. He was a big boy. I mean, even outside of the clinch, when you see Anderson drop his hands and chuck and jive in front of him, my Franklin throws punches and kicks at air, and Anderson's just The only one I remember was his fight with Tony Franklin And he punches him three, four times clean in the face.

1:47:59 Well, Anderson and Weidman. What are we seeing? He laid down and put his hand on his head like he's taking a nap. and started weeping yeah like whoa like yeah there's there's's The memes about this are awesome None of us knew that was going to happen. I'm just going to survive. You know, we're out there like, what the fuck is all this shit? You could really see it in that Robbie Lawler fight.

1:50:31 Yeah, it was affecting him for sure. What if Robbie would have been like Des Moines? And if you don't have Spike, you can much like a floyd mayweather kind of uh very elusive he'll score his points and then hold when you're, the the records they're 54 and 1 for levin 42 2 and 1 for marcus and simon marcus up until your And then he got rocked again in China right after that.

1:52:50 What are the odds? I did that World Combat League like six years ago. What did you think about that? But underneath the pants, we have the sport combat super thick shin pads underneath the pants. Like if you really, we've been talking about this a lot lately, You still can knee guys in the head. to the leg to hurt them which is essentially what that shin pad would be doing for it i just i hated

1:55:15 And after the first fight, the director or whatever That you couldn't do it? It wasn't even like he was trying to get it off. It was like you got like, I think we went to like Venice Beach to get it done before I left. So they were scrubbing it, and it was whatever. I mean, it doesn't matter to me if a guy has sponsors all over his shorts, I mean, I don't want to cut into a guy's ability to make money,

1:57:20 Yeah. don't look hard look like they miss miss and people are dropping. Awesome. and it like, I think it was two fights ago Like him, Kovalev, Provodnikov. Did you see the urine sample after the fight? That's his piss, bro Really? I lost tonight. Black urine. it's one of the signs of it. And you're just broken when it's over. He's 170 pounds, pretty yoked, actually.

2:01:00 Moose or an elk? done yeah he goes i got sick i was exhausted my body was just broken that's what you don't think and hike a little bit, and we'd shoot the thing and drag it to where he could get to it But when you go for elk in the mountains, the big elk, oftentimes, they're hard to get to. he's got a bunch of pictures of him sexy bitch likes to show his muscles yeah he's all these

2:03:45 of his legs you go keep scrolling up up up up not down up okay go down a little there's a that right There's a lot of things that people would like to do, but it's just too much work. Carrying that bitch out there. I used to hunt all the time when I was growing up, Ohio I guess I was younger than that. man i was coming home last night from the comedy store i was driving home i was like 12 30 i was

2:06:10 When I eat that, there's something about moose. I'm this is a placebo effect maybe I'm fucking with myself I don't think it is And he goes, and I've gained like five pounds of muscle. Yeah. There's a place called Yeah. It's weird. a wild pig no looks different yeah yeah it's dark it's weird like the flesh is dark i cooked a wild And a sow, pig and a sow bear. They're called, the female is called a boar. And a sow, pig and a sow, bear.

2:09:19 You're going wild pig hunting. It's about an hour, hour and a half north of here. Oh, after you shoot it? You know, they drop the eggs. It's cooking right now. like real simple stuff. I'll barbecue the Experts agree the best animal source of creatine is wild game. available venison elk buffalo and bison which by the way the same animal i don't want it

2:12:20 Shot it in the head. Boom. Birds can suck my dick. You know, they're like pets. They're cute, you know. And they send them one day air. so they're in this little chicken container box, I was actually thinking about putting a roof over the indoor courtyard, Also, their shit is I thought you were talking about a crocodile. Yeah. If it wasn't for the shit i would have been like

2:16:11 You get to watch the attack. I'm just telling you, from like a medical supply thing. come over and they would look at it and then they would look closer and they'd be like is that a They're way more vicious than piranhas. turtle what is he eating jesus christ like a tomato or something yeah you want to see though Yeah, look at them. Look at them. It's fun to watch because you realize like these things are dinosaurs, man.

2:19:42 You know, snakes, it's like fucking. You know you dealing with something that's several inches long just shitting in this tank, and I've always always wanted a monkey And I heard they like throw their shit. But it was like, they get about, it was like a little outbreak monkey, whatever that's called. Oh, my God. I thought Chimps would be cool to have until that lady in Connecticut.

2:21:55 give the chimp wine she'd give him Xanax she gave him Xanax crazy bitch yeah type The amount of strength that they have, look at that. I love, like, gorillas. Awesome. Really? testicles? Yeah, there's like a bunch of dudes I don't feel the weight, but maybe you got bigger balls than me. It's funny. Yeah, how weird Have you seen those fucking things?

2:25:58 has mange look at that fucking monster look at that that thing. Jesus Christ. Those are scary They kill each other left and right, too. They also have a fake dick. Pull up the video of female hyena. I think society fucks it all up. is this artificial penis that comes out it's a she penis it's this artificial penis that comes out. That's it right there.

2:28:25 pseudo penis hmm that doesn't make sense maybe they go down the wrong hole hmm i wonder i don't But male bears will eat way more cubs than any hunter is ever going to kill. They don't know if they're doing it just for food I kind of was. I was there, dude. It's hard out there for a pimp. exactly where you're shooting, especially with a bow and arrow.

2:31:17 You're talking like 288 feet per second of 468 green arrows flying with razor-sharp broadheads blows right through the body I mean I mean these are several hundred pounds these fucking bears His mailbox is getting knocked over by these bears. got mauled yeah dude and then you got these idiots that are like fucking leaving food out So look at these fucking guys.

2:33:20 He's like, oh, what if I shoot it and it doesn't fucking die? Double lung. Goes right through. hurts it but doesn't kill it and the thing charges him? I would use a pistol. Yeah, yeah, I Would use a rifle rifle if he's gonna shoot a gun get a real Yeah. You see what I mean? unless it's absolutely correct. I mean, it sure doesn't silence it, Is he gonna shoot it at the bottom, at the ground, this dummy?

2:35:48 That was probably going forever. Because if you can hunt and you can hunt with a rifle, what a silencer thinking logically and objectively Yeah, I don't get it. It's so ugly out there, isn't it? It's so bad. It's so just they have to deal with? Who knows how many people and now everybody's super aware of it But it's like if no one's fucking shooting at you stop shooting people you know when did they

2:38:35 out right behind him and they were he was like oh drop it blah blah blah and the guy's like what We've talked about this ad nauseum on this podcast. I just think that we have to appreciate the fact that being a cop is a fucking ridiculously hard job. that but of course that gets spun into the black guy you know well if that was a fucking it didn't I didn't even know that.

2:40:04 if you're a good cop, how many bad cops have you narked out? It's really upsetting and disgusting. It is. I'm hoping Yeah. it just makes it so much worse. You can't take everybody's guns away. I just think that people panic about that kind of stuff and people always love talking about some We didn't talk about this the last time, and this is something that was controversial after

2:42:58 And that was one of the biggest things that Vinny helped me work on. But we he asked me all of these scenarios like think of a time in your life when you were really proud and then think of a time when you were really upset and like all these different emotions. that anger that i had and that i used to tap into all the time was actually like holding me back.

2:44:54 Yeah, for sure. that apology like there was no apology there was no talking about it it was like completely starting over and uh yeah we had like a really good allegedly I was shipping it and uh they uh they tested him they did like a graph or whatever to narcotics and pain pills and stuff that he was he's a asshole to be around it was really hard It's working right now for my friend's mom. My friend's mom has stage four cancer in her brain.

2:48:10 He's just, you know, Mr. Republican American, doesn't, you know, thinks Obama's a Muslim, that kind of guy, You're keeping it illegal. We can't refer. were going to do and my brother picked me up from the airport and we went to you know, kind of with my brother and sister and figure out the situation, what we were going to do. And my brother picked me up from the airport and we went to, you know, straight to the bar to,

2:50:46 me stay focused on what i needed to do to to handle business in that fight and uh you know I come back, and I've got two weeks left before the fight, And I talked to Vinny and I was like, you know, I just I don't know what to do. And he's like, and that's not fair. both of them about the fight they were both excited about the fight i knew what they were

2:52:57 Wow. those guys are just there. this podcast up with. I got to put it up on the wall. And where is that at? Better than three, right? All right, ladies and gentlemen, we'll be back next week.