Joe Rogan Experience #646 — Dr. Dan Engle & Aubrey Marcus Transcript

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0:00 We're live? Like, just like that? Or a kumite. Is that what's going on, man? a couple of places right now that's that's ultimately going to be what it is it's going to You know, I think for me a key part is getting that upper half of my body in the tank. That's interesting. Your first time doing it ever? Have you done the one that they have it on it?

2:59 It's a great way to start the day. and you want to go back and do it again. Well, as a doctor, like, it must have been interesting, And in that last minute, I went in these involuntary shakes. I had no control over that experience. good though too you pop out of that and you actually feel warmer i think when you come out Like, you really shouldn't be warm when you get outside because it's only, like, 70 degrees outside.

5:49 There's something about, we were discussing this, about forcing the body to react to the sauna. Dr. Rhonda Patrick, who wrote that really fascinating paper on the effects of sauna, pick up all the goo when you're young to get acclimatized. It needs workouts when you're they can eat more foods than you can. They don't get sick as often. They're just more

7:56 was used to dealing with tough shit from an early age yeah that's uh it's fascinating because people You know, I know I'll leave that dude. Fucked. because of our environment. because they're not going through any real adversity. What are the downstream effects there, Dr. Dan? not mentored. They're not going through these rites of passage. They're not going through any

11:05 it improves their skills. They get richer, they get bad-ass shit, like the equivalent of rims that and people that are looking at the curve of learning and the exponential growth of technology is going to be so much more appealing and attractive. on headsets and trying to set up an ambush to go get the enemy and helicopters are flying something where you put it on and it has electrodes that react with various areas in your brain,

13:59 They're pretty fucking close to doing this. Maybe it's just a desire, a romantic desire. Exactly. because then it becomes exciting again so actually actually, probably the progression will be, if you listen to that Alan Watts Inception video, the progression will be, Otherwise, it's all fucking boring. Like the Chris Christie thing we were talking about today was in the news that he spent some fucking ungodly amount of money.

17:04 But this is the... It seems like it's not real when you read this. This is why it's so fucked up, man. So at least I think we got that one we can hold out for. into your lungs and visit the spirit realm and he really thought that the way they were going to not just random it doesn't work for everybody it's not like picking up a you know an astrology book

19:51 It's almost like there's an assessment of your overall predicament Goddamn TriCaster. which is bringing up to the surface that very thing that we're ready to receive that we didn't realize was right there. person's going through, That's a, those are really good points. And there's studies that show that young adolescents, both girls and boys, but particularly with girls, they have a significant resolution of anxiety that's related to how they view themselves

23:54 with internet bullying online Like you will now have tools to deal with shitty human beings that you may perhaps run into. Buffalo New York I mean if it's the winter and you don't get any clouds you're like what is happening look at the sky it's blue it's supposed to be blue but you just in order to get used to that paradigm again. off towers to show their fearlessness.

27:00 about the sauna or what we're talking about going through adversity in life like all these things you seem it seems to be almost a law that the universe has that the ebb Like, they're fucking monsters. Because they're surviving all the time. Like sports are really, sports in the military are really the only way that we have access to yourself. You know, you don't appreciate who you are because you don't respect it because you know,

29:44 Trying to figure out when I do see it, struggling with it recently not struggling with it or analyzing it it's a better sense trying to And I think it's awful, but I've got to think that's why wolves do it. Will this person buckle under pressure? I'm right here. not in a way like, come on, let's go. Let's see what we can do together here. Do it in a different

32:02 if they got really good at, you know, whatever, jiu-jitsu, I wonder what that is. way you think of like someone who plays video games all day oh jesus christ what's this guy it's a true presence of being right where you're physically embodying your consciousness and when and your fucking back is hunched at the end of the day. Oh, yeah. dopamine neurochemical pathway. So when you channel that focus, that prime directive into a productive

36:26 Because I've always found that in getting anything that I become obsessed with, I'm going to nod my head. Hmm so that differential being that there's a positive outcome right versus a negative outcome Oh. So you can avoid those because you've experienced it. And Ibogaine has like a 70% success rate in helping people kick heroin after one treatment.

39:31 And the long-term predictor, just to put that in context, It's one of the most complex interactions. And that's the biggest thing for people going through heroin on their own is to kick it because they're just deathly afraid of the withdrawal that's going to come. Into your 40-hour Iboga experience. primary alkaloid. There's 12 or so primary alkaloids in Iboga, which is the plant root

42:08 I was kicking. experience what it was like. For me, actually, Ibogaine was more intense than Iboga. And for most people, it's the other way around. But suffice it to say, when you know that you're, It's in Tijuana right next to Angeles Hospital. clean on board like they're not taking other drugs not only in their psychiatric medications So in that set and setting, it's extraordinarily safe,

45:15 being that there's actually some physiological changes that this drug is doing to your body Like you thought the roof was the ceiling of the universe. And then you've got the actual experience itself, which is so transcendent. they were talking about how great it is to not be drinking and, you know, I'm getting And so you get messages depending on how long you have.

48:25 Or if it's something that's incongruous in your life, like a relationship, you know, Is it showing it to you in a visual sense? i was talking to a much smarter version of myself you know it was a really interesting way that it We see what's in the default mode network now comes online. that kind of sense of dissolving back into the void. And then beyond that, then you get into,

51:16 well together and there's an energetic clash and you can have a real bad trip where you could have is also very good for pain. Just flotation by itself. You start stacking therapies. So two to three a week for like three or four weeks. There's a lot of clinical trials coming up in really reputable centers 94% of people who were psychedelically naive had one of the top five spiritual experiences that it ever had.

53:38 actually working with a trauma trained therapist and a really supportive safe So you just went from 8% to 80%. God's CEO. Yeah, exactly. Johns Hopkins study comes out and it's like well It doesn't exist where you normally do find information you know look if you if you And he wants 10% of your money. we're going to have to be careful of is you know with everything there's a certain point where

57:42 as much good science as possible, because that's going to be the last card that they can play. It doesn't make sense, but it just works that way. I mean, as long as we're rational and honest about it, the overwhelmingly positive aspects of these therapies are undeniable. And if anybody has these issues, then they shouldn't go into the experience. What's their energy?

1:00:31 to kick than heroin. And that's also a little challenging. It's kind of like an addiction to like you went from this you know crazy addiction to now you can have anything and so if you're Yeah, because the goal should be normalcy, not this like shaky dam that if it leaks the whole thing floods you know one day at a time And you see that with Asian populations, particularly Asian women.

1:03:40 Like what is empty from that person's life that keeps them addicted to a substance that I've had that for a long while and I kicked that and then I became addicted to work and kind of more sugar addiction for somebody with with a weak metabolic load or maybe they're susceptible was at like a few days later. And I had this kind of like, I was just, I just kind of looked at it

1:06:56 we're wearing and sometimes the cigar is just a cigar so if you have a candida overgrowth it feeds and it can get a little bit complicated with people coming off the streets on heroin, just by itself, there is a neurochemical addictive It's just not as big, and you have to do a lot of floats. field called nutrigenomics or detoxigenomics, where you do these genetic profiles and it shows you

1:09:39 the average number of toxins in that fetal cord blood, 220 average toxins. Because it doesn't have the... feel like they did a great thing a day you know i mean i don't know if heroin junkies need it every after every meal, What is that? that brings you to a point of presence where you can really access free will and just kind of stop wants to capture this wizard and get the demon because he wants to accomplish any task so he

1:13:17 be waiting for you back at your house. So he goes back to his house and there's the demon. What will you have me do? And he runs out of things. this hair. And so the demon gets the hair and says, ah, tries to straighten it. And the hair goes back up to the hair part i think whoever wrote that story needed to go back for a second draft That's what I'd like you to do.

1:16:04 Well, they wrote dumb shit. You guys made bad stories. if you're less concerned about the money. we're making progress. And when those, when it's all just about business, you know, about selling computers or whatever Screaming at them even for not working as hard as he worked. consciousness, that whatever higher self that is, call it spirit, call it whatever you want.

1:19:40 It's so hard to, to leave the momentum of your current mindset, whether it's a current mindset that loves to gamble or the current mindset loves to stuff your fat face with cake, whatever it is. that have food addictions that are that when they do get that food like you know we're maybe driving You fucking forget to breathe. You were walking your heart was beating you were breathing you were walking your feet but all of a sudden that chicken parm sub comes your way and you're just stuffing it into

1:22:10 super helpful to have motivation because it's not going to be an easy journey. It's super helpful Like, oh, this is just too hard. And to have ongoing support, especially if these are dangerous addictions. everything that's in the background. And sugar is one of those that is because it's so ubiquitous or like technology. or whatever kind of addiction profile

1:25:47 jacked up on coffee you transition a black tea and you transition a green tea that die-off they have the most rich and diverse gut flora. vital as a source for a potential gut fecal transplant. And when you look at people who science to the gut body and mind interface that's why there's a really Isn't it amazing how much diet and what you take into your body has an effect on your mind itself?

1:30:08 Massive. and like i was fine they stuck a metal rod up my ass man that's nothing to do with the poop The difference between cocaine and heroin in rats about rats in a rat park You got rat clubs. you've just went from over 75 heavy users to less than 25% heavy users. Decriminalized. the addiction nomenclature and that label, like something's wrong with you.

1:33:25 video gaming industry i get concerned about the social developmental ramifications like They kind of sucked back when I was a kid. identifying when something good like sex becomes something not good like addiction to sex if that obsessive compulsive disorder kind of complex. But don't you That's a bit more serotonin driven and not so much dopamine driven.

1:36:15 And people with obsessive compulsive disorder, significant improvement in symptoms when going through a psychedelic experience like ayahuasca. their decisions, both good and bad. Like, why is it one day at a time? But the people that are into that 12 step shit, I've had friends that got clean, Is that okay? They have a goddamn venti Starbucks in their hand.

1:39:44 what is that doing for the world? That's just something you're doing for yourself. It's like, I'm doing something great. I'm eating vegan. Well, what is that doing for you can talk to somebody who's celibate and you find these in some yoga communities like, It's a natural human instinct to gauge your progress based on how you how you stack up with the people that you surround yourself with.

1:41:39 who enjoy meat or towards people who hunt and they somehow or another feel like they're justified in Somebody wrote that on Twitter. And then some other guy was like, man, fuck those bears. Somebody wrote that on Twitter. babies alive which by the way if it runs into a male bear the male bears gonna life really good ideas and what what you're just talking about in regards to both of those

1:44:16 Or the Palestinians have done that to the Israelis. I mean, the inherent conflicts It doesn't really matter. people that may be sexist or homophobic or what have you instead of instead of treating these about these people or by attacking them or organizing groups of like-minded fuckheads to go out and attack these people. And we can see that start on the playground.

1:47:28 The baddest fighters are just tough. He beats the shit out of everybody. they're not doing that shit. Aggressively try and sell my approach. I don't need to prove to you that I'm right and then get your feedback everything that we feel is is important for us to do in the world we've internalized that If your whole world, say, you know, back to what we're saying, like a computer company,

1:50:12 They actually develop me as a human being and not getting so caught up in those numbers. And that's the only way you get to develop a company like Microsoft. you look all goofy as fuck. into creating this Microsoft monolithic Empire none of those things have a lot of weight to me. Take care. Well, you're the one person who can't do it? But involve identity. And then if your sole identity is as a fighter, what happens when you break your arm?

1:54:21 becomes an issue as well. So diversifying your identity to the point where, yeah, all of these are just things, but it's really you yourself that you're, you know, this being on this planet, you know, that doesn't need invulnerability where they can take away any one thing even your own catch 22. It's like in order to achieve great success you have to it has to

1:55:51 And then you almost have to get through that there was a balance that had to be achieved where there was never any And all those things moved together. minute you have fear that you're not going to get it, you're not going to be performing at your best anytime you need something, whether it's a girlfriend, whether it's something in your that he could wake up later and run, but he got a little bit of an edge knowing that as he was running, his opponent was sleeping,

1:58:47 But then where are the goals? There's a lack of a goal. allure, like a laser, someone who can be really good at one thing can achieve a lot of financial philosophy along with holding the shield line, you know, all of these different things that's been kind of so much is attached to, their identity is attached to attractiveness and social status developmentally ideas to instill in young people is

2:02:04 You're not to get hurt. And one of the reasons why is because he is a true master at killing people with his bare hands without actually harming people. controlling your fears reassuring your anxieties and assessing the objective Well, you have it. That's not toxic. It's a part of being a human. Like a part of being a human. The reason why we got here in 2015, it's not because everybody did yoga and ate tofu.

2:04:50 That's monkey DNA, man. And to pretend that we're there now is ignoring our biological system. would alleviate a lot of that anxiety of physical altercation too. It wouldn't be some threat that know, it's this real contest. Wrestling was a way that a lot of people did that for thousands of years as well. psilocybin that is done in the group setting for kids as a rites of passage going into their

2:07:59 destructive ways. Yeah. So set the bar with really good practices in all of these areas, sexuality, Like, you know, not just think about baseball, but there's like tantric practices that can help you, like different breathing techniques that can put that, like look, we're all going to have sex. It's cool. Here's some techniques. This is what's pleasurable.

2:10:05 to calm their own anxieties or distort other people's perceptions of reality to match up Like, I read this piece the other day where someone was saying that there is no such thing But if you don't have sex, you are fine. There's numerous examples through every species of people risking their, of animals risking their life to have sex. How about elk?

2:12:10 When it's time, It's insane. My gut looks like a fucking beanbag chair and i'm not that guy be funny and people would laugh at it instead of becomes currency it becomes currency. It becomes Like you have a beautiful bouquet of flowers on your table, you know, you're gonna look at that and you're gonna say oh man urge into something that's not helpful but it's one of those weird things where when things are

2:16:23 unnatural to repress yourself sexually. It has nothing to do with no sexual outlet and that And that existence was predicated on the need to breed sexual desire and the fact that your body is making But in doing so, you've got to address the reality of what the fuck you are. the people who can be there when the shit hits the fan, you know? And so it's really hard to dream.

2:19:38 just like this is it? a security camera. Have you ever seen that video? They numb themselves with alcohol or medications or television okay this this lifetime we did all right we made it through you know just go for the fucking win She's in her 50s. She loves it. treating patients in the you know clinical pathology thing like what were some of the that on as an identity, that they've been traumatized or they've been abused. And

2:23:59 you actually see the dna genetic code change its expression at the time of trauma Drive in, garage door goes down. right right so where's that sense of connection and that gets recapitulated and it build And that perpetrator is going to go off somewhere and not get rehabilitated. type of cancer there were consistent measures that showed And you just showed me this morning some article in Wellbeing, I think.

2:28:09 And after a period of weeks, equation, you had certain things that, because of the way you thought made the illness continue to seed, of the pediatric hospitals when you can help them visualize their immune system Totally. dramatic improvements in weight loss and all these physiological markers. And it feels like this has only been really discovered

2:31:09 You're the placebo and he's got all he's got the great scientific back. What is this? It's called you are the placebo Joe Dispenza Like, things that you think should not have a placebo effect, Unfortunately. You're 1,000 years old? Yeah. Right. clearly in some ways a weasel. He gathers it. But unfortunately, he's an exercise. Right. intense perfection you know that was uh one of the things that people will bring up the detractors of

2:35:42 There's even more extreme examples. Who even knows? Like, be able to cut out the worm Bruce Lee had it nailed. What do you mean by shadow work? that I haven't looked at yet. but either way, That bitch knows there's a sex drive. A lot of fun. And, of course, Aubrey Marcus is Aubrey Marcus on Twitter. We'll point the finger at the moon.