Joe Rogan Experience #662 — Vinny Shoreman Transcript

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0:00 All right, we're live. All right, ladies and gentlemen, Vinny Shorman. How are you, buddy? Mental training, mind stuff. I kind of get lost in it too, you know? but I was thinking about other shit. There's states when you're super happy. a very uh very unique skill yeah i mean all hopes all hypnosis is self-hypnosis anyway so you do it i just guide and you don't even realize you're watching it.

3:12 Sorry to break anyone's hearts out there that love Superman. Yeah, it is. a mind coach because there's different facets to it there's different ways of leading people into you into being strong you needed a coat you should just be a fucking man and get Well, the reason why I was going to bring that up, because I think that fighting in particular is probably the most difficult of all chosen endeavors outside of being a soldier.

6:16 But essentially, everybody knows how to punch. And I think that if it works on fighting, it'll probably work on anything. the other person more than they're going to hit you but bad things happen to great or other people screaming for the other person to kick your ass, a heavy weight vest that you're carrying on top of the burden of whatever you're

9:23 palpitations and fall down you can't breathe and then the doctor's gonna rescue you yeah you're ill no more fighting but if you're fighting Anderson Silva in his prime Maybe. You know, they don't throw these belts around, do they? And it can haunt them for eternity really. because of, instead you have the sting, like the emotional sting of those failures that just haunt

11:59 well he was 60 something like that and I seen him at the top of the road and he was stood at the top 60 years of age still. probably avoided them in in the store or shops or whatever so for 42 43 years this guy's been Guys like Georges St-Pierre, I mean, he's pretty open about it. and look at just life itself, it seems to be an inexorable part of our existence on

14:12 I'm not going to do therapy. It's all part of people being who they are. Instead of trying to solve whatever influences You kind of decipher from that. um i got involved with colin I started, I went to a seminar Well, it's interesting because your main pursuit with this or your main focus with this is fighters. the most concentrated form of But it's relative to them, isn't it?

18:10 moment and the moment's here and you're ready to get the fuck out of there right there's nothing Making a really nice wedding cake which is really what it is. There's a lot of expectations and anxiety, but it's nothing compared to an actual fight itself. because what can happen is you can go away with the train of thought. And you've recently started working with my friend Ian McCall as well.

20:22 he was like, eh, we'll see. I actually don't know because, you know, i haven't followed ufc that how dare But Ian McCall's a lovely guy. Yeah, and you work with Ross Pearson as well. So I kind of fell out of love with it really, teaching, et cetera, Yeah, and for folks who don't know, Vinny used to do commentary for It's Showtime, fight. Five rounds, went

22:43 there. Simon was training at his gym. What a fight. You knock him down, he's getting back up. I asked him. so don't beat me up And I kind of stuck home with him. He's so open to stuff. You know, King Arthur. round table and he was sir galahad not literally obviously but you know so he had armor so he kial samlit and he'd fought him before and got stopped in jamaica when john wayne parr fought

26:13 me and he looked me straight in the eye and he went warrior and then beat shit out of Anuat No. and then asked what happened? wasn't he breathtaking? breathtaking, people should watch that And he slipped. I'm trying to do it. he beat chavez that fight i think he won i think he won as well of course he did but uh he was one He was like my everything.

28:29 His fight with Chavez was just an all-time classic. But it was just, I was just going to bring that up. Is his trainer training, Who I love. you see him feeling the shot. Spread it up. It was Joe Rogan's fault. Especially in round 12. He's on my friend's Facebook. One guy died in one of his fights. I didn't remember that Nigel Benn if you listen to that

31:08 And I met Nigel Benn about two months ago. Because he apparently had a separation fight that was on the horizon. Sort of like That's how they were looking at him until the Nigel Benn fight. you could wrestle dehydrated and although your performance will probably that he fought is that the guy's name he fought I don't remember I'm not doing a I had a headache for three weeks after fighting you.

34:06 They never mentioned how he was. Yeah, that's true. Strange. a nice guy and when a when a trainer is such a nice guy like that oftentimes like it seems like sometimes it may take the position of a father figure, You know, so, you know, I always, you know, my trainers, I looked up to them and wanted to please them as well. locked themselves away for two weeks and just cried.

36:26 That's not true. And it played with Eubank's head because Nigel Bennet used a hypnotherapist, Paul McKenna, to go through all that to beat Gerald McClellan. Might have beat him anyway, but it's two shenanigans, isn't it? tyson movie right yes the documentary yes that one thing that he did that speech where he described And it was a main point of focus in, like, interviews about Tyson,

38:58 I'll tell you what else I really like. he says a lot of cool things that are like about life. I think if you've got experience of life and you can convey it in such a way that it helps, Yes. Boom. Woo. It's fucking fantastic. That's unfortunate. Prince Nazim Hamed was amazing. of stories he wasn't the same that works well look at Tyson was incredible I thought with Kevin Rooney well Kevin Rooney. Right. He just seemed to have a gel. He seemed to know and have a system that works.

41:32 him in yeah but again it comes back to what you do and what your focus is worried it is really I like to get to know my clients in every way because then you get the best from them always want them to you know if they need me you know because i'm not needy well i don't need to And so you seem to get a great thrill out of other people becoming successful.

43:25 I think his name is Mark Kimura I really love it I didn't get paid for it, of course. Like the worst thing you could ever be as a mentor is to be jealous of the success of there's a transition from him being still a fighter to a coach. like Jordan Watson's coach Richard metamorphosis yeah it is and it is an important metamorphosis too because if you always identify

46:05 Right. but i want i want elite people i don't want bullshits i don't want that i want people as or Facebook or whatever, reading all the time but i'm quite boring really going on about it to people um my long-term goal Yeah, quite a lot. Or I work on Skype or FaceTime. And they always talk about what they don't want. That's the first thing out come in because i work from home or i work on skype or facetime

48:33 And then we move them towards where they want to go to. You have to think, ah. Everyone's different. Like it's not good for the environment? Right. You got to figure that shit out for yourself. Yeah. You don't get no thanks for it. You got to figure that shit out for yourself. Yeah, and it's also many times whatever's holding them back is also what led them to be in that relationship, that toxic relationship in the first place.

50:48 They can't say, hey, I want and take my infusion and Yokow and stuff, It's horrible. through, their insecurities. Yeah, like attracts like. Right. It's where your boundaries are. Like, we've only known each other for a short amount of time. Yeah. And it's interesting how those sort of relationships can become you can drown in them. Oh, yeah, you're fucked.

54:21 I hate it already. some of the things in the seminar she said are very relevant. and she had to evacuate. So every time you write a cheque, Yeah, 100%. down at the guy's bullying you're looking out the window with your blanket in red going bastard yeah it is it is but it's part and parcel of the job that I do. if you like, I don't know, How dare you?

57:36 Roxanne. Well, you know. You've missed your way. seen fucking why oh i thought about only had one fight and and I'm fighting B-class. In B-class in England, you can knee to the head. Well, why would you tell them that instead of telling them to get a better coach? Yeah, you do you do? it's just part of what they do you did it again you part I just did it again

1:00:20 around about 185 and he cuts a lot of fucking weight. They have to do it over a long period of time. That's what he weighs. And so he's working on fighting lighter and being lighter guys. Is it going to be Cotto versus Canelo? It's always big, isn't it? Who do you think would win? You know, the Mosley fight wasn't easy. Cotto Canelo, winner to fight Golovkin.

1:03:15 But nobody wants to fight Golovkin. But really, for me, He's magnificent. He was like, Sugar Ray Robinson is so much better than him. and lead right hands and tying him up. But it was a different era, different mentality, different style of fighting back then, different That's one of the most exciting things about MMA today It's a much larger jump than boxing. We've got on infusion life

1:05:28 Badr is such a fucking psycho. I'm not going to say anything derogatory about him because he might find me. Yeah. Jeroia's 18, sorry. amateur and, But getting in them rings I'm very happy. Just keep them away from pussy. Well, that's one of the things that perturbs me the most now. Really? So he might Well Tyron fought his last fight like that. Ah.

1:08:13 Yeah. He's fighting, I think Vladimir's next fight will be against Tyron Fury. I hope so. povetkin yes and that was like bop bop jab and grab and push exactly that's his whole game yeah nationalism. If you take away that Lamont Brewster. Emanuel Stewart figured out how to get him to box right Mike McCallum, the body snatcher? to watch it's you know it's art isn isn't it? Yeah. It's real art.

1:11:17 So these guys would be beating the fuck out of each other. Like Jamie Varner, who's a former WEC champion, and Ryan Bader's world class at 205 I know anyway There's a lot of good talent now. There's no comparison whatsoever. There's no comparison whatsoever. It's more complete, Pat Smith, The other one, I've seen him live twice he was God damn it. I had that on video.

1:15:04 Well, that's also one of the reasons why You've got to train elbows. You've got to train kicks. of his ufc fights because it's only so much shit you can do. So he takes guys down, he just beats them up, you know, Basically, don't break my arm, don't break my leg, don't kill me. You can't just stand in front of them and shoulder roll and box and then clinch

1:17:33 It's true because, I mean, it's just like looking at them, there's there's a goddamn massive group of Because you can get, you know, they can be in shape, information yeah yeah I think I think a lot of it is just, it's not really, it should be, there's so much stuff that you can do that can help people learn and take in information differently than just the cliche, read that, that's what you've got to do.

1:19:56 see all the way to the left and all the way to the right you can imagine that you can see really and I went on a course of rapid inductions where... So I can do them. and head sleep and they go under just like that yes sir why why do they go under why don't they seen it no oh yeah they do it yeah it's street hypnosis I've seen street magic there was a guy in Rhode Island named Frank Santos,

1:23:24 You're faking it come on, and he would take them off the stage Son of a bitch. I don't dig that. You know, what's the point? is we did the magnet as well which was just just a stud way because we did the peripheral vision then we just imagine that there was a magnet that could take Who knows? You know, there was no magnet, as you said, but they don't,

1:26:38 hypnotized like i definitely could i could listen to your voice and i knew that i was hearing your Is that a good way of describing it? And what we did with you is we got you to focus on your thumb, that thumb. You know, so see see just like Have you ever watched Derren Brown? I think you can watch them on YouTube. You would know, right? uh hypnotist and took money off the cashier she got just took money out of the register

1:30:29 i don't want to go that way or that way or that way but you know where the station is but he said I've worked at a And then they would say, okay. Okay, actually, can you give me a 10, 5, ones, and then they would say, And they shut the register, and they had like this sort of weird eye-to-eye moment with this guy who was trying to hustle this kid that was working the cash register.

1:32:14 when you're working the cash register you have to be careful people that start So I went, all right, give him 20 quid. Where's your other friends? we did a thing called quantum linguistics, I always, Don't go near it because you'll get stung. And I was like, what? you're doing it. in it. in that situation Do you pay attention at all? I've started watching it.

1:35:48 I'll have to watch it. outside pressure or you know outside thoughts or any anybody's criticisms or negativity should no is named Aiden. Sorry. Tom Cruise's sister's If it's not hurting you and what do I give a fuck, I agree with that as well. the documentary, you know? So it's going to be, there's always going to be susceptible people. They can latch on to.

1:38:53 Oh, okay. What is he talking about? Anyway, the woman was going on and on to me. right. You're right. Yeah, you did. You've got a scar on one of your knees. Yeah, I've And, you know, there's all sorts of, you know, psychics and people say, That doesn't make any sense. I don't have any psychic ability at all. Right. I don't have any special ability.

1:41:32 There's loads in America. you don't see that many in England. Yeah, but it costs a lot of money, too. been to a couple of times they would have been here they've been good i felt all right afterwards Try not to pay attention to that shit. to you for help they genuinely want your help they genuinely want to get where they want to get to achieve what are you trying to achieve as a coach yeah as a coach you're trying to help people and

1:44:22 yeah and the success that many of my clients have had, I don't go, it Well, 99.9% of the time. I don't know, But training as well, training fighters? and word of mouth. as well. different things like that I've got a lot of clients what life is all about finding something that you really enjoy that you get that buzz off of We'd be talking you know, do you want a beer?

1:47:23 He's like, you know, you said about Mike McCollum and the left hook, oh, fuck off. Or are they under the hypnosis power of suggestion? I kind of switched it in the middle, No. Like it was a comedy, but it was real. Have you seen the recent one That was a right performance. Well, there's a lot of that out there, man. He was a young kid. correctly like but it's that that sort of mcdojo type fake

1:50:54 Sam Seed. He's mad, Jackie Chan. Believe what I'm crazy. Yeah, they believe what he says so this like oh, yeah He just wasn't. I mean, you've seen people with needles There's all sorts of things. We're just postmen of information. And I knew she was full of shit. getting close to it like do you feel it do you feel anything and i'm like no i'm trying to be

1:54:20 I mean, we might go, but it's, you know. know a vitamin that have this right a snake oil snake oil yeah of course a snake i'll take this This is medicine You know, with the feather, lucky feather. anybody's handed and you're sort of supposed to figure it out on your own or based on if you're Merlin Holmes there you go like real estate but that's I just like that I

1:57:22 I'm always learning. I'm from Newton. that you really enjoy doing and then pursuing it. no, no, you best go somewhere yeah it does happen, I just I just thought, no. I like that. well it's just a transformation has been incredible and she's you know all her students are so much The reason why it's called Showtime, it's not perverted and 69. Yeah, I'm going to have to change that, I think.

2:00:51 beautiful it was a pleasure I really appreciate this So I'll be over before. That sounds awesome. We'll be back next week.