Joe Rogan Experience #675 — Kirik Jenness & Chris Palmquist Transcript

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0:00 Alright, we're live. Yeah, I'm good man. Oh, I got a like on that picture. So we ran with that for a few years. And then the UFC dropped the TV, so we went back to mixedmartialarts.com. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, eh, $200, it's a lot of money. that to when everybody got together, for where the name came from, and I honestly don't know I don't think there's anyone that's uh

3:12 It's the Association of Athletic Commissions. And they just go over rules and shit like that? And Chris often acts as a bartender and gets to know people that way. that boxing commissions share suspension information because they're poor. and his job is basically to show up and get No, I don't think I've seen it. You need to see it. Synthol is something that I guess bodybuilders created it because if they had a body part that wasn't sticking out enough,

6:12 It's like he's punching with, like, 10-pound gloves, and the other guy has 8-ounce gloves. Like, give us some volume here. this oil stuff in his body. Pay the fee? I don't know. have come out of Mexico it's The guys who are speaking English. So I thought you said 95. Woo-hoo. We have 1.3 million people that come to our site every month. Like, so many guys used to post there and don't anymore, like Tito and a lot of other,

10:22 it fucking fucks up my head like Like, these guys are assholes. And out of those million people, maybe 10,000 are nice, but the rest are just anonymous douchebags. It's the horrible thing about the Internet. Maybe you're an unhappy person you want to swear at And they contacted his employers and they sent him the posts that this guy was making and he got fired.

12:26 It doesn't surprise me at all. We have guys You really think someone's going to find I don't know when that came along, but there was a bunch of them And a lot of times, you know, you would be able to buy tape. And it was like all Genki Sudo's, old fights, and Kid Yamamoto, like in the early days. But I agree 100%, and I try to get some notice of that

15:15 remember when they had that basketball game they used to play on uh trampolines oh they still play in my lifetime that grew Yeah, Ultimate Athlete Magazine listed, again, this is going back 10 or 12 years, Oh, it still does. because it's stupid. I was just OG all day. Nighttime, they're kissing their girlfriend. American management, though, that They're just kicking their feet back.

18:24 So your boss comes and looks over your shoulder and, bing, spreadsheet. to USB and when I tapped it like an like 40 grand a year for three years or something Chris three thousand a month or something for it three thousand a month three thousand a month in They tend to break things. Like you have Mazda ads, and do you guys have to actively seek those out?

21:09 Occasionally, we would get ahead by a few hundred dollars, can make more than that so he's's like, hey, try it. it kind of took off from there. It's actually a true I know a lot of people have a hard time believing that. What happened? I think they got related at a grappling tournament, again And I was like, dude, it's just grappling. He was so serious about his lessons at Henzo's that he had moved from Canada, moved from Canada to New York, was taking lessons at Henzo's.

24:04 I can't do both. That's how serious it is for me. And there's a, it's not that important. And he said, this is what I do instead of having health insurance. I can't do both. base. Around them, there's millions of I think I see their apparel around a lot. sport like uh there's one that i always cite there's a real shirt that i saw in new jersey loves to grapple, but you should see her box.

26:17 It's spread. We've spread it. We've spread it across the world. Did you ever think at one point in time of not keeping that site going? It was almost nothing. excited about keeping the uh keeping the site going I've definitely never uh never for a single Randy back in the day. Because he calls me about once a week to complain. Right. I mean, when he says stuff that he says it they don't he doesn't care

28:55 How old are you? He was my business partner for 20 years. they have to switch that way it's a weird And he disguised it behind the back fist or a jab or whatever he was doing with his front hand. and all these people that we know, He's like, I think I got a dream. He's a... And he has that style. but the raymond daniel style i think that's the next level i think you've got that style of leaping

32:56 watched all kinds of he watched boxing he loved muhammad ali the same way dominic cruz did try And people started doing what's called continuous point, where you weren't trying to knock each everybody until he started bringing karate guys in and they're like, okay, it's not that tough to grapplings. I started reffing grappling in the late 90s for my best friend Kip Kolar with Naga.

34:55 Then you're in trouble. And then started incorporating it. And I told someone that, and they're like, yeah, he's been really working on his leg locks lately. He came into our gym, and he taught us rolling toe holds. Yeah, of course. And that fucked him when he fought Ian Freeman. I was watching that at home. Boom, boom, boom. Just jabbing him with those front kicks to the body.

38:16 when you get them in the hands of a guy like Edson Barboza, When it first started happening in grappling tournaments, I was reffing. I don't care. Is the jiu-jitsu's hens or Gracie black belt a little bit ahead? like a regular guillotine and it didn't work. Yeah, I know. And I was like, I'll try it. and spinning back kicks or turning side kicks there's still a lot of guys that have the knee

41:16 at you. That motherfucker Yeah, that's what I use. with a regular cup and it gets destroyed. There's a lot of guys that still have shitty old cups. Come on. I ran into Mayhem Miller and he had his cup and they'll tap just from that. I don't even grapple with all with the cup now i feel like i'm not confident like i go to like move and i'm I tell everybody to like Joe Lozon has this back mount, and he calls it broke back mount.

44:05 Well, you kinda are. Those are illegal, right? the ref try to explain that where you can't elbow a guy yeah and every ref is different and under The 12 to 6 elbow was banned but you can't do this wheel kicking Terry Edelman and hits them in the back of the head. and they're like, watch the back of the head. is the kick starts to come in and people shy away from it

46:59 from the punches to your face and he hits the back of your head and the It was called a rabbit punch in boxing going back to before. The forehead. But that jumping downward elbow right to this spot here is illegal in Muay Thai. With a downward elbow. If you're hitting someone in the forehead, is that dangerous? And a lot of people speed, and they take speed before they do Muay Thai.

49:44 I mean when you're adrenalized and you're bleeding and he's bleeding the referee's screaming there's I was like, this is not like me being a pussy. you're doing sets of six call it a seizure, of mine had a little, I don't want to call it a seizure, I would have died. Because I know that somebody, like guys in the military apparently were taking it.

51:57 My understanding is that unscrupulous companies will come up with some new formula that's got horny goat weed and oyster meat and who knows what all in it. the formula But it could also just be a guy that just died. here take this let me make you feel great for your workout i thought my chest was gonna blow Labels like those look like this shit in the back like the little tiny I can't first of all I'm 47 my eyes suck

53:59 Yeah, that's ridiculous. and I figured if I was making some money, about the what what's going on right now with mma with the testing because i think it's pretty fascinating that this is a sport where to be completely and totally honest most likely a probably doing a little road work on top of that, but that's mostly it. it's almost impossible to do at the highest levels without some kind of help.

56:55 six o'clock in the morning, peeing this cup right now. And you have to, and they wake you up. They Like you should have parameters. Because you could have a rubber dick. Whizzenators. Your stream would go through your finger and the paste, whatever the ingredients were, But at some point in their career, we're using, yeah, it's 90. Yeah, that's the group that the UFC is contracted with to do all the testing.

59:51 put another one in and squeezed it and forced it. And there was enough extra liquid in his body from It's the dirtiest, I think, right? It's a fake sport. veins all over his eyeballs and his You've created a new thing with chemistry. you got to do a lot of dead lifting you got to do a lot of squats you got to eat a lot of fucking I put on 10 pounds of muscle in like seven weeks.

1:02:35 It was like that little window you could buy and then it went away a football player who told me that they would take anadrol 50 and they would take all this I don't want to go to jail. That's the stuff. Barely human Moved to LA And then his girlfriend literally shot him dead. We'd never seen hand speed like that with good wrestling and jiu-jitsu, too

1:05:58 He would lift weights you do like tricep extensions. It would be purple His head looked like it was attached at the top with a neck. This was way before that. And then Vitor had, like, that Scary shit scary shit and when you force your body to do something totally unnatural like that like the rapid change of putting on Should you have to get all your vitamins from food?

1:08:46 so he can be a more efficient fighter. and also, on top of that he had so And if you looked at him back then before he had his surgery, they get that thing, So they're like, oh, it's not an open wound. just throw three quick stitches in there. he was actually putting pictures on his Instagram. And now a lot of times they just try to use glue. smashes me in the head. I turn around

1:12:13 he's like no put a band-aid on it finish my roof and then you can go to the er so i put a band-aid Can you please stitch it? He's like, who's the Yeah, well, he's an arrogant asshole. from Lozon MMA, If I elbow a guy and he gets cut, There are too many animals there. Yeah, our old gym. because they're like doesn't clip their nails Nick the Tooth Plus, also to make a fist, even though to punch the bag.

1:14:34 linlin told me does it on purpose no showers for like five days and don't brush your teeth and just I was in the corner for that fight, and I'm watching it from the corner. Just stay in it. He was throwing a lot of hooks, but Valente Belanti's a big boy. You grow up throwing bodies around and manipulating bodies. Yeah, I read an interview with Pettis, and Pettis said he just

1:16:25 and they're grueling practices for an hour and a half, You could see year by year, decade by decade, You can't do jiu-jitsu on people 100%. There's a mental toughness that wrestlers possess, you have to concede but you know a lot of people don't like to concede and that's where the problem and they never could get good at jiu-jitsu Oh, it's okay for me to tap.

1:19:26 They're sort of flowing. It's in their brothers, so there's got to be that sibling rivalry. He's like, cool, you tap Big John. That doesn't even make sense. I think after that, though, guys can't go after him. He's not medium, John. I saw the photos you guys put on the UG, put some good photos. Where are you getting that photo? He goes every now and then.

1:21:52 ah, it was the Rory-Robbie fight where I looked at the screen at one point nose exploded and he Blood was everywhere and it was just trying to find some kind of comfort blood was Like, that is so hard to deal with. He might not ever be the same. There was nothing left for both of them. He fought with his lips split wide open. oh, my God, don't talk.

1:25:02 welterweight division's history. You know, they would say, oh, he's just outpointing these guys. I mean, the smart guys figure out how to not get hit as much. They're trying to not get hit. My sense is there's a lot of MMA fans that just don't understand the artistry that goes on there, It's more exciting. stupid conversation that you have with people that don't

1:27:12 I'm trying to punch him in the face. You're going to see that with a guy who could submit guys like Damian Maia. I sound like a meathead. It's a, it's a crazy sport being a cage fighting commentator. It's, And their problem-solving solution involves incredible athleticism, amazing determination, like the intensity level and the amount of data that they're crunching and processing

1:29:51 You're stepping in or you're stepping back. sidestep, boom, boom, sidestep, He's just getting lit up like a Christmas tree. And he would, I mean, look at all the top guys in his gym. Dutch kickboxing is like Western boxing, It really is an interesting thing to watch. Watch Hagler fight Mustafa Hamshu. You're seeing the same sport. or whatever. But I think as far as

1:33:04 up and cut angles on him and move away from him on the ropes. I just think he's better. I think Floyd Mayweather would fucking pot shot Jake LaMotta and tie him up and cut angles on him and move away from him on the ropes. They fought a little different. and tell me there was anybody that was even remotely similar to that just 10 years ago. And Annie Miramonti's got kind of a weird look in his face.

1:34:34 oh, that's unbelievable. And if you're an official involved in the sport, you've got to be on the mats every week or something's going to be coming up that you've never seen before. Boom, moves to the left, moving to the right. I was actually back there watching them warm up, Dwayne's teaching him some shit that he figured out that he didn't even do himself.

1:37:07 Guys like Joe Proctor at a Christmas gym. And then dedicate yourself to learning MMA. But if you get a guy like Andy Ristie that some people think that it's best Super strong guy, but Damian Maia took him down, smushed him, He did the same thing to Ed Herman. chael down like that too to fucking throw him like a rag doll it was crazy he's a next level grappler

1:40:06 It's kind of a compliment to call somebody a playboy, I think, in the cop. And even the cop, I don't think, had So to see Anderson screaming at him and then not fighting for the last three rounds, He just moved around. For winning, no. and you could see Anderson was fucking with his head to the point where after the fight was over, Anderson fell to the ground and was crying after he beat Nick Diaz.

1:42:30 who he was as a champion those moments are crazy because before that when he fought stephen bonner And it's one of the great things about any sport, especially fighting, It's going to happen. did right and he's even he's been the nail you know he's been the nail with matt sarah it's gonna happen the the mental game i think is is way under way way way underappreciated and it hit me when i

1:43:58 But that got taken away from Anderson Silva. pushes, he literally thinks he can't Chad Mendes is way out of shape for that fight. he did it because he thought he was going to be able to win anyway. He had something wrong with his knee. He was getting stem cell injections in his knee. Yeah, I heard that like eight weeks very different fight. As long as he wasn't injured and, you know, Conor actually was injured going into that fight. He had something wrong with his knee.

1:45:15 It was also obvious he wasn't prepared for that kind of fucking movement. And then the next day, he looked big again. They don't even have hard cuts. I actually have no idea how he does it. But T-Bow can fight three fives no problem being that gigantic after a huge weight cut. So they're fighting in Mexico City as heavyweights at 7,500 feet above sea level.

1:47:22 I was like, I don't even fucking believe what I'm seeing. of Verdum in his I looked at the elevation, and Chris Wibnall still punch your fucking face in. His brother brutalized him. and in Weidman's case, his brother was older than him. But he still ended up a pussy. You just develop a steel-hardened sense of competition where you're constantly going to war with your own brother. You know, you just develop a steel hardened sense of competition where you're just ready

1:49:44 And Anderson's staring at him and say we'll notice and he sucked a tremendous amount of weight to fight that fight and he had to take on Fox on very short notice, and he sucked a tremendous there and kick his ass like he had to say that to Weidman when Weidman was exhausted so I didn't realize how strong Weidman was until he did that helicopter knee bar on Anderson Silva and that

1:51:28 this is, no one's defending this. injections, and he's just this fucking regular guy got in his face at the weigh-ins limit, but it was 1,200. Vitor's eyes were like, oh. And I'm testing at 300. He was so fucking angry. it never works it worked in like he was just flailing like he was trying to hit him back It was weird. he made welterweight holy shit that didn't even make sense he made it once i think for sure made

1:54:43 Do you remember that shit? Hollywood. um punk ass went up and told like a real heartfelt thing and you could sell like that was his really and I just Like, two guys that were in the UFC. Jesus. Then once he got him down Well, I don't know how good Vitor's just straight ground game is. I mean, any purple belt who's worth his salt could have got that same kind of arm bar if a guy's doing that with his arm.

1:58:11 There's the Marcelo Garcia's of the world. Yeah, the expo. Well, here's the deal. Because I've rolled with black belts, and I'm, like, pretty competitive. Wonderful time getting tied up in a fucking night. No. so my ears were sore. for like four hours me he goes holy fuck your ears are big and he's like you want me to drain them i'm like i don't I had that shit in my nose.

2:01:12 becomes like a stone in your body that's why cauliflower ears are hard as a rock he had a cauliflower, and he was bleeding. Too much. Oh, really? So they get a needle, and they go in the bathroom. Two brothers who beat the fuck out of each other. Yeah, he was always the big brother. beats up everybody. But he doesn't have Does he train hard now? Oh, my God.

2:04:20 Yeah, this is a tight ass triangle Z tap here tap here yeah but then he pushes him and they And then they put shorts on, and a cup, You know, he wears his pants loose. I'm wearing them right now. Jesus. I'm going to have to Google those things. They make shorts now, too. I really have a 30 inch waist but I have big have big-ass thighs. And so I have to, like a lot of times I wear 33-inch pants, straight leg,

2:06:44 Look at how they stretch. the secret, it's in the crotch. Well, they had a gusset. But none of those can fuck with the barbell jeans. Because they kick better. Like Melvin Manhoff, he would wear like a gladiator skirt, you know, because his legs are huge. thighs or something like that your regular pants just not gonna fit you i'm always amazed when i

2:09:21 And Big John is 250 or something? Hmm. I'm not fucking XL. You're looking at me for a size. I think that's what you're going to get, like everything. No. I don't have time to do what I'm already doing. They're already ready. Oh. that they use wife beaters like why they decide to use a wife beater there right is that your uh break your, if you break your arm, they can fix it fix it you know if you have a knee injury they can fix your ligaments if you have a brain injury you're pretty fucked

2:13:17 And the doctor just said, don't go outside for six months and don't read any books for six months. But she thought a little baby chick would be some human thing you could interact with a little bit. cocooned herself away. How old was she when this Like they do with the X Games. It's like a bobsled They get hit by a truck going across the highway. Drifter hits pedestrian and took off.

2:15:28 You know when you do those things? And now, you know, This one, he got hit with the back, and he goes hurling through the air. Yeah, and we don't think about it because we watch those fights. What a war There it is. Oh, yeah. Find out if they caught that guy. and you're like, whatever happened to that guy? Yeah, Dangerous Dana Rosenblatt, who was a training partner of mine.

2:18:22 I was only 21 at the time. There wasn't no pity pad bullshit. There's no way around it. to piss away and that's scary if that starts to happen it'll it'll give me pause that doesn't just, that one fight did them in and they should never fight again because they're just same from that day on. That fight 2002 no later than two five to five ish because I had a drive drove home from college to get to that fight so

2:21:11 He's back? He's very good, but it doesn't matter. That's the reality. And, you know, he became this Internet celebrity by just lighting these idiots up in backyards And Sean Gannon, first of all, he was in shape. They both came out of that wrecked. And after a while, But Gannon is getting a stand-in guillotine. Yelling at them. Yeah. You know, you just couldn't wear Gannon out that easy.

2:24:35 And now, you know, Kimbo is, the punches are coming real labored. This is a crazy fight that's available online. And that's when it really hit home because you watch this is all blurry grainy really shitty fucking Look at his face. up again. Look he's And Sean won. I probably can't use their language here. Fuck. later, and I was like, this guy it's what it was it was it was a sparring match he's still on the force today uh i haven't talked

2:27:49 That might be Photoshop. Like, he was swole. because Ken looks younger there too not your you can't fight that guy fighting each other, He does the same thing. He cups like the top of the head. He doesn't come couldn't imagine that Ken couldn't finish that that doesn't make any sense to me i mean it might not be a word i said But just to see Ken not be able to finish a perfectly placed rear naked choke hand on the bicep,

2:30:18 You know, you look at a legend in baseball. But that's because he pissed it all away. It would have to be in the UFC. If anybody deserved a piece of the pay-per-view, it's deserved it if anybody deserved a piece of the pay-per-view it's mcgregor we were just talking about that in the that they have so much patriotism you know it's going to be a phenomenal concert.

2:32:22 Here we go, Ricky Hatton. I had to run from place to place just to keep from getting accosted and these guys were stumbling in, still singing. It was another level, like several notches crazier. that when he's in there they're they they feel like they're right in there with him but and that It's not even close. whether or not this Beto Correa chick has that kind of love and respect,

2:35:10 I learned that in the late 90s, or could have been the late 90s. i've been like you don't know what's gonna happen that's why you have the fight i mean yeah fights There's intangible qualities that some people possess He's not beating himself, and he's skillful. I mean, he puts guys away standing, puts Mark Munoz away with that fucking brutal elbow.

2:37:13 There's Jacare, Yoel Romero, Luke Rockhold. class jujitsu that guy's insane he's insane he's so fucking good. And so strong. comes back eventually. Gets his life Clear his mind and his life and make restitution and do whatever he's got to do. because New York, they couldn't fight. three weekends in a row once there's this new guy, and he's had some fights,

2:39:22 this guy is going to be the next one. He's a Massachusetts guy originally. What are you doing? Why did he take so much time off? year and then blew his meniscus in the same knee and so then another six month recovery and just He doesn't need nice things. No, he did. everywhere and like, So for him, Jiu-Jitsu here and there and do seminars It's terrible.

2:42:50 That's crazy. He was actually from Connecticut, and he was a good fighter. Like, you've got a guy who's uncoordinated and, you know, not tough, but for whatever reason decides to fight. so that the guy will have 200 friends show up and win, and the next time they're ordering, I say, you can get a fight. let somebody think they have a chance of fighting and really they're not very good they can get a

2:44:59 And then maybe if you think they're ready, you take a fight. Anything else you want to say? Fuck them both. You misquote me almost every time. Dick Ryder. the storm that was the beginning of mma Like, how much would that be of your life? As I've told these guys before, when there's a UFC that you're not on, buddy Cheers