Joe Rogan Experience #677 — Josh Zepps Transcript

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0:00 people that I'd be willing to do a podcast with, fresh back from Brazil, within hours slept probably. I'd been on a late-night flight from New York The UFC. It's like I was saying, like, when people tell their grandchildren, There's like a freak of all freaks. We have pretty easy jobs just sitting around talking to people all day. He coined the term animal liberation, and he sort of invented the –

2:34 a newborn infant. consciousness, I mean, does a two day old baby have that much more sentience and consciousness Hmm. the, Right. if you did kill a person at least They've had it too good for too long. Well, that wouldn't do it while you're eating them. But I think there's something just kind of oddly sadistic about sitting there at a table and just being like,

5:52 I want to get to Cecil in a second. And then the ant will be... So getting back to Peter Singer, his whole philosophy of animal liberation is sort of And for anyone sensible, the bugs are less worthy, right? I mean, it's an absolute murder show. It's like an ongoing holocaust of pigs. Cecil's a 13-year-old lion, which I want everyone to understand Infanticide?

8:59 Well, there are some other types of, like, fratricide, these animals that are charismatic megafauna that we have um anthropomorphized in movies like the lion are farmers there who are like well yeah you're allowed to be all teary about a lion. The poachers. That's right. They kill people there every day. They murder these people on a regular basis.

11:58 and they create a firing pin, and they have to light it like a musket. in africa and handle this stuff shot this guy they shot this guy and you know what they do with them There's no supermarkets. Exactly. even fewer elephants, I mean that again, you know, within 15 or 20 years, it's entirely possible there just won't be any African elephants that are now thriving because they live in these giant hunting camps.

14:46 That's an intense moment. lion well how about well he's he doesn't want that he wants this lion in his house so he could deed to fair lion conservation, donate the $50,000 and then just don't kill the lion. Love that guy. But he's not like an A-list writer in America, at least. reminds me a bit of what John is always on about. I don't understand, like, trophy hunting.

17:26 Cecil has ever my man Cecil African Americans Yeah, of course. did this, is people are killing lions all over Africa. Like here was really fucked up. This is It was just some poor bitch-ass lion that doesn't have a name. So I'm out here in L.A. this weekend doing an episode of my new show. on my Twitter that's the pit but it's great of people I just thought I was going to be killing this other random dude.

20:25 We're very stupid, but we're also ruined by media. I really believe that media depictions That was a nature documentary? bears kill cubs like that's what they like to eat that's one of the reasons why female bears are so screw us up. I had a little bit about it. and they're monogamous. Just pretend you're cheat. when the leopard seal was eating the penguins. I'm like, what about the penguin is fucking

22:52 Doesn't it have a right to live? It was a total anthropomorphization, if that's a word, which probably isn't, of penguin life. It's portraying them as basically humans in little costumes. and it would be like young Jimbo wandered off with a heavy heart to think about how he'd just been jilted. So I think companies like Disney probably should be held to better account

24:08 He's just like, fuck this. When a lion takes over a pride, one of the first things he does after he chases out, And he wrote The Selfish Gene, meaning the unit of evolution is not the individual and it's not the species. And again, I'm not in favor of killing lions. I interviewed actually the head of that study, the Oxford guy. You don't see the thing.

26:26 in history that's been unleashed by humans if in 50 years time we don't want to live in a world there was a big story a few days ago where they killed five elephants and they, they just chop There are a lot of desperate people, and they find ways of doing things. And we've been donating money, and they've been building wells. And it's legal to kill those people.

28:42 I'm telling you it's not. which means Indian state allows shooting tiger poachers on site offers money to informants. But point being, it's not just legal. This is an insanely hard place to live. or when Bono is playing some charity concert to raise money for him. and ask what price, you know, fish or rice are getting that day, I'm saying food poachers,

31:16 and experience it firsthand, think it gets in i think the information hits the brain. I mean, especially in this country because America is so big and it's so easy to maintain, to just live inside of the American cultural bubble, essentially. They're fucking killers. Like, did you see that Aussie surfer, McFanning, getting attacked by a great white?

33:11 then that little taste is enough to kill you crew they're just dead behind the eyes black marbles for eyeballs i love them i was like a It is. He's a shark fan. He's a freak. Yeah, he told me there's like they breed out there right I can know that I breathe somewhere knocking it up in the air, and you're like, what? this is from left field, but it just popped into my head,

35:39 and as part of his parole, he's not allowed to own a computer, You shouldn't be hooking up online like this. So now there's like 150,000 signatures on this petition to try to get this guy off the And because he's within X amount of feet of a school, he got caught by these cops. Wow. Debate rages over man. 19. Put on a sex offender registry for 25 years. Zach Anderson, 19. Met a

37:42 We'll fill it out and hopefully that helps. How do you know? No, that's right. Yeah, I've had him on Half Post Live a couple of times. When he was getting laid, there was no hot or not. I remember one judge that got caught. He had some fucking I welcome that here. That's not what we want from you. at any point in the next 25 years or whatever it is, that he's going to be like preying upon

40:43 If the guy gets off, you lost. If the guy, if you convict him, you scored. And I think we have this built-in thing about playing games. And I think it fits very keenly into that sort of a justification for leaving evidence, for planting evidence. And some people will cheat. But when you're trying, when you're a cop, you also have a quota. you're fucked as a cop.

42:00 Hey, Like if the fire department had quotas, how many fires you put out today, Wilson? to continue to be some crime so that they can keep doing the cracking down yes it almost reminds me a I mean, it is kind of fucked that you're talking about conservation Yes, but that rhino was an unviable male. and I had him on the podcast and he said the amount of money that he paid was actually small.

45:07 and ruining their lives, turning them Alright, how much money paradox but Just from hunting just from these people coming over there to hunt and someone said well that's the only three percent of it goes at least in some areas, in some They don't have it in their mind. They wanted to keep them within a few thousand wolves wanted to keep them within you know a few thousand wolves in the whole country well they've

47:57 the night by a pack of wolves. He said, you don't even know what terror is. And when you're sleeping They'll do that to anything they can get a hold of. Where he lives. But the reality is almost all states of nature in the world right now have been impacted Because we already have killed so many blue whales and humpback whales, all the big, beautiful whales,

50:08 and they're eating all the stuff that the blue whales Oh, cool. Well, they brought over the foxes to deal with the rabbits. No foxes kill everything cool, and they also kill a lot of calves rabbits out. The problem is it takes a while to build a fence. She was 100, so like, you know. That's the fucking goal. ecosystem was before humans arrived so they like i don't know if you know what a kiwi is the bird

53:05 involved in and the prime minister is heavily involved in, to actually genuinely eradicate because they love killing small mammals. Well, hunting magazines in Australia have those as well, Yeah, they're feral. Yeah. Those all kill the calves. But they don't have that in New Zealand. And you can kind of call it trophy hunting because everybody wants those antlers as well, but the meat is like the best meat in the world. And you can kind of call it trophy hunting because everybody wants those antlers as well.

55:59 You don't even have to have a license. Say if like 100 people sign up for tags, maybe like 10 will get a tag. or some exorbitant rate and then do it like that 25 grand you could fly first class to new zealand Speaking of how good the stags taste, I'm always amazed when I go back to New Zealand I was like, that's what an egg, that's just all I'm doing is eating an actual egg,

58:18 Why, have you got them? Let me see if I can show you. Like grass- fed chickens. So I'll tell it as briefly as possible because I was very conflicted about this. And so they picked it up and put it in a box, and they wanted to feed it. we have to keep. I go, honey, this is not going to live. Like it needs its mother's milk. The And so my mind, no, I don't want the chickens to kill it.

1:00:38 El Yucateca hot sauce too. I ate that this morning. I had some of those exact same. I have that all the time you said when you said that birds are dinosaurs you made me did you see the story about how the how Look at this like these these are this is a real And there's a lot of people that aren't aware of that. This is what's really fucked about it.

1:03:03 Is that a word? Certainly. that chinese japanese people japanese and chinese cultures like totally different japanese in japan people when people earn money they will usually put it towards making their home as nice as Like Catholic school girls, you know, everybody knows. since the 60s. Yeah, are they like a hybrid of like a communist and a capitalist state right now?

1:06:08 or maybe it was Deng Xiaoping, said that the reforms that he was bringing in were kind of capitalist, Right. So, you know, they want to make money. So you would have big state-supported industries that, for example, ran like cartels. That's what makes them push and And that's where they fucked up. They're great. I don't know, because I'm some elite thing or something, or some

1:08:29 Well, this is the golden age of automotive engineering. martyr to buy an American car. in the 1970s, I believe it was like 73, 74, That was a true American product. and it was just ridiculous the the demands the unions had and what they were able to achieve and the other guy would show up for four hours a day. That may not be the correct economic way of saying it.

1:11:07 They started just shipping everything overseas. I don't know. Equise. No, that's not it. What is it called? It's's not an elantra is it genesis equus or something like that yeah right yeah uh i mean but i've i've heard you talk also about like the the muscle They call them yank tanks because they built these enormous metal fucking buildings that you could drive around in.

1:12:34 It's going to be real tough to rule the coupe, Everything is magnetic ride control. Wow. I came real close, but I went with the Lexus instead. Amazing. you'll be laughing on the other side of your face when it happens that's like the prepper that's right. I don't want to be that guy. I have freeze-dried food. It was a Jeep. That's right. and theoretically i mean they can certainly slow down the car they can certainly make the car turn

1:16:18 Like he had taken down, he was one of the guys that had taken down. Was that who he had taken down? I remember they were like committed suicide and not only that the engine flew from the wreckage Reflexively distrustful, eager to make powerful enemies, the young journalist whose Mercedes in journalism, they take Adderall. It could have been Adderall.

1:18:20 Man, or meth and drove into a tree. It's something. cracking down on comics for marijuana if they start drug testing comedy clubs good fucking luck That's a good point. The great Greg Fitzsimmons, my good buddy? it's true right it's true well bill hicks had that great joke about it you know you know that um all that shit, Lance Armstrong. The UFC is trying to clear up a sport,

1:21:17 you know, he's not like some evil person is just, you know, like some fucking jack law here to take down the criminals. than i did an hour ago is unfair me too yeah i mean i'm all jet lagged and shit but i have a two He's a cunt. I loved that. I was very impressed. They start pissing, it looks like Diet Coke It's awful. I have not tested myself. Well, what they're doing is they're just trying to push past all the pain and discomfort and show mental toughness.

1:24:19 That's crazy. You never know. No. He's like he's still feeling he's not back to baseline to where he was his times are off I'm happy here. You want a beer? drinking. Yeah, I'll have a beer too as well. And if that helps, why not Adderall? I don't know. You're wrong about that, too. or how does this fucking work But the idea is that it allows you to

1:27:44 Joe. You were, sir. You were. The idea is that it's not good at learning stuff because it just me, and then gets his own. What a good man. I do what I was raised right, Joe. You were, sir. It doesn't require a lot of cognitive effort. who play, they say it gives them like a 10-20% If I have too much, Yeah, well, they probably smoke a lot of pot, too, though.

1:29:07 sort of blinders that you put on that allow you to get through your job and get in your car and drive home to your You're not taking enough. Okay. Oh, wow. mushrooms and having that sense of sudden complete awareness that you are on a rock that's going Freak us the fuck out. You you wouldn't bother working and eating anymore you that say hey i did it. I don't do it anymore.

1:31:52 By the university. Yeah, but he's just a Hindu spiritual teacher in New York. Lovely guy. Like to me, man, some things happen. And I attribute it to doing a lot of yoga that week. I think it calms you down. I think it, which is the gland that's been proven to produce dimethyltryptamine, That would probably explain why he is the type of person that he is.

1:34:35 I'll hook it up. There must be good outfits in New York. And a lot of it is me making videos and talking about it. That's great. I can't wait. Oh, that's my tank? I don't even know these people. If you're listening, reach out to me. Not to talk, to listen. in history. I think a guy like I mean, there's many, but there's two crazy shit like send videos all to australia instantaneously i mean if you're in australia

1:38:13 Yeah. It's entirely possible that that's the case. just how mind-bogglingly huge the cosmos is Every single star that we see in the night sky is inside our galaxy. there has happened exactly down to the nanosecond, an infinite number of times throughout space. So, I mean, the likelihood is that we're not at either of the very, very extremes, I think it's just a possibility.

1:42:08 because they've invented it. is the other possibility is what I believe we're heading towards right now, is that we're heading and innovation and beautiful materialistic items is that that is the mechanism and the not understanding the potential of creating artificially intelligent systems that self-improve I'm too dumb for that. the invention of the

1:45:03 insane, these things that we've created. He's making a philosophical case as well. faith, is yes, you could disentangle that. If you could replicate all of the data that's Like I would be, I think we are so entangled with our chimpanzee DNA. All these different bizarre, angry things that we have that make up a human being. they're totally undefined. You can't tell what's a male or a female, and they have these enormous heads.

1:48:35 It's all live. other words a where religions are so hung up about sex But meanwhile, the On the cross, beaten to death Chuck D was right. You might as well just make him an alien with no genitals. Like, these guys have to be fucking cross-fitting all day as well as being divine. Little dick, skinny neck, but That's how weird people are. Showing his little tiny dick.

1:51:55 fucking name uh on the on that question of of the evolution of humans creating, We're so successful as a species that we're successful enough to destroy ourselves of species fall into as they try to pass through the crucible of going from being ordinary animals to hyper intelligent uh self-aware animals but and mutants and freaks barely made it by running from hybrid wolves

1:54:22 Nature experiments that have really gone all fucked up. It was the week when it really looked like Greece recent that is like I was saying earlier that my grandmother just died she was 100 in the First World War. It's not a number like the billions of years that the Earth is old that I can't wrap my head around. You look at that, the Acropolis and the Parthenon, what's crazy, the Acropolis is the building,

1:56:59 it was built on something that was even more ancient. But we've had these ups and downs and we've been partially wiped out. I was on this show. 600,000 years ago those fuckers were cooked yeah, and we're due Go and kill some foxes. Oh, yeah, right. So, my uncle actually is like a Maori. When it blew, there were writings of people in Italy Like, you stand on the side of the lake and you're like, I can't even imagine what kind of Armageddon that must have been back when it was active.

2:00:51 Yeah, the Pompeii one, which was fairly famous because we've actually found people that were killed It's incredible. And then they realized, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. up into the sky and just kills There's two. If San Francisco goes, this is going to be awful. San Francisco is more likely to be more devastated. Or are you? And then there's asteroids.

2:04:30 That might have been why there is this really old structures that are sort of unexplained long flight yes asteroidal and i'm drinking now and you've had weather reporter. It's all right. You're jet lagged. You've been on a long flight. Asteroidal. And I'm drinking now. They think that it's very possible that civilization has experienced many of these.

2:06:06 completely from us doesn't speak our language has no more records of anything that went on invisible radioactive stuff, if they haven't yet devised the concept of nuclear power, Yeah, we really fucked up with that whole nuclear power thing. They're done. Like Chernobyl I don't think that's nearly as bad. Have you heard of pebble shell reactors or something like that?

2:09:03 to do something that you know produces waste that's incredibly deadly, that's going to last for thousands and thousands of times longer than any of us or any of our children or any of our grandchildren or great-grandchildren are going to be around, and just leave it up to other people to deal with. There's a great documentary that I watched on a plane back from Brazil called The Merchants of Doubt.

2:09:57 The concerns about global warming, concerns they used to do, the concerns about tobacco Michael J. Fox. And then he started delving into the actual data, the actual scientific papers, and then It's the same human beings. Yes, yes. These are professional. Thatos, all of this sort of stuff. It's the same human beings. tactics. to get a point across. balance that is required.

2:13:16 is right. When you try to be balanced by just sitting in the middle and trying to moderate a and let's not get caught up in this trap of false equivalencies. I thought it was a new character that Colbert was doing. Carry on. That's hilarious. That's a great idea, by the way. That really is a great idea. Yeah, nuanced issues that require long sort of

2:15:54 and you have a guy who's being paid by these think tanks. passed or the concerns being alleviated. investigating the merchants of doubt go watch the documentary it's amazing amazing and they started over a long period of time, over many years. And these people started investigating. And so they called him, and they said they said well this is an anecdotal thing and i was just trying it wasn't real i was just trying

2:17:59 Like babies that are around this flame-retardant stuff, It's fucking terrifying. every time you sit down on your couch, you're just a little bit, the number, Well, I think you're right. Asbestos. How long has that shit been around? how sociopathic it really is. That's right. good part of the media insofar as what podcast? 1.6 million Twitter followers? Yeah, there's a lot now.

2:21:16 comes out saying that butter is a deadly killer and margarine is the answer, then someone puts there was very little known about cholesterol back then, LDL cholesterol, HDL cholesterol. they would have said, look, on the basis of what we currently understand about margarine like this conversation. I think that that kind of stuff and that the internet and what the internet,

2:23:31 It will be hard. He was so misogynistic. Whoa, mansplains. Atheist Richard Dawkins mansplains feminism to Muslim women. Whoa, mansplains. Yeah. See, so I don't have the... how many politically correct buzzwords can you fit that person's not real that's a stephen colbert to help? It says, Islam needs a feminist revolution. It's Islamophobic. There's a lot of white Muslims, bro.

2:26:08 I think there are people that are trying to call bullshit on people when the bullshit like especially the shit that he said about child molesting. Get over it. I think his point was, like, I was fondled by a stupid, crazy priest child abuse but the moment you say that everyone says he's saying that child abuse is good right going to happen to me anymore. I'm going to fire up and I'm going to figure out a way to empower

2:28:45 people and she like picks on you I'm not even the same guy! The cable's off. Sorry, I said broad. I don't allow it to just ooze out like maple syrup. Like when you go to the airport, like one of the things when we were getting on a plane from Sao Paulo to Brazil, So we go to 24 and 24 says Florinopolis. They have a different. You'd be fucked. to Africa and experienced like all the chaos of Africa said god I mean people

2:31:44 I lived in Copenhagen from Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam into JFK is like flying from the Jetsons to the Flintstones. i need to get it you gotta get it i know i'm a fucking idiot i mean god damn it i just got my they've just had to deal with 478, like, people who don't speak English, Whoa, how racist. I can't believe what he just did. I'm the only one who doesn't.

2:34:22 You make an appointment. Yeah. of patronising white male authority, that have been happening in the past year in the United States. I agree. because they feel like there's an opening to attack, you know, you know, like, you can't be sexual. Badass bitch. She wrote another piece because I like to follow knuckleheads. called anymore i felt like that was a very white cis piece white cisgender meaning that people of

2:37:54 you're insensitive. Trans women in particular, but trans people in general, And the on-campus trans community. My dog is a person. What? Here's the thing. How are you actually supposed Like, what could be wrong with that? Some of them are stuck in beekeepers' outfits in Saudi Arabia. is really the correct response. about global warming or they talk about fucking chemtrails or any of these things there's a tribe

2:41:15 She's fucking great. What the fuck is wrong with you? It's a goddamn computer. These ones don't get viruses. The other ones do. I use Windows. I'm like, what are you talking about, Patty? Give me a hug. What the fuck is wrong with you? make fun of it, but she just fucking sticks they'll go out and they'll camp for four or five days in order to be the first person who gets the product.

2:42:23 And they were, and the correspondent was talking to someone who was like the seventh in line or something. Like, do you think that that's, I mean, what is it about people that are going to get something It's an old piece of shit. It's the new thing. It's to take let's keep up with the Joneses thing. So, I didn't have any room on my phone to upgrade to the latest software.

2:44:10 I heard it fucking crashes. Is that done? Have they figured it out yet? It is. Yeah, they have. Don't ask. Whoa. Wait, does it work? Is that done? Yeah. And then they'll put fat in around the edge. to adopt a new procedure. I'm like in the third wave. Unless you put the phone down. Turn your smartphone into a 3D hologram. Seriously? That's cool. which is also like a hologram that you can hold in your hand i don't know exactly how that works

2:47:03 There's somehow they're going to be able to broadcast holograms, and it's not done yet. And the HoloLens is going to be able to change a room Like Minority Report. That is so exciting. where they can walk through the house before it's been built piece of plumbing under your sink. And it's probably not that far off as well. That's real too. When you get a

2:50:04 happened they already have that what is that technology called again the one that duncan's That is going to make so much money. Yes. Yeah, well, it's already happened. and the machine sort of strokes your dick, and you're having sex with someone in first person. Do these civilizations that exist out there in the cosmos, do they have Well, this is the problem that's raised by the film The Matrix, isn't it?

2:51:51 It's just as what we've become accustomed to, and even our own real of today has become which is we're having a conversation. Absolutely. And we're having a conversation I have visions of like people who just spend all their days in their basements I mean, the only reason why is because we have needs. plugged into an IV and living in a virtual reality world is interacting with actual other human beings who are also in that virtual world, I have less of a problem with it.

2:54:49 is that one day we are going to not wait because I'm dumb, but someone way smarter than us is going you know? I mean, if you are in a virtual reality, if you are in an artificial simulated version of been around for a few hundred thousand or something, then we're probably going to get That's the end of the podcast. Or just send us an email And HuffPost Live

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